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@GlenTheUdderboat Yes, indeed, but see my answer to the meta question on this topic.
@DanielSank we'll see if any of my questions/answers get migrated
@SabreTooth Perhaps, as noted earlier, one should always go to the most specific applicable SE site? In that case EarthScience.SE might make sense. I definitely think your question about the sunspotter optics is good for Physics.SE though.
(and it is annoying to split one's rep because of overlapping scopes between sites)
@DanielSank that part does not bother, especially for my 'minor' sites
@SabreTooth Well, your sunspotter question may not have a good answer, but it wasn't rejected!
@DanielSank that almost made me faint
19:04
@SabreTooth Maybe, as time goes on, you will be desensitized to your allergy of non-rejected applied physics questions :P
Fainting is dangerous.
it isindeed
How'd you get that pirate hat?
earned a gold badge
@DanielSank I'm shocked by the number of upvotes. It is completely wrong.
something i'll never get here
19:06
@SabreTooth If someone up votes my fields/particles question I might get a gold. That would be soooo sweet. I want a pirate hat.
@GlenTheUdderboat Apparently someone disagrees. shrugs
@SabreTooth Haha, did you even read it?
@DanielSank yes, i speed read
@DanielSank You need 100 votes to get a gold badge for that
You're sitting at 50 right now
@KyleKanos Dang!
19:09
half way... go @DanielSank woo woo woo
I've got one sitting at 69. It'll probably be a few years before it hits 100
* increases running pace.
*Rocky music plays
@KyleKanos link
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A: Why are rockets so big?

Kyle KanosThe problem is what Konstantin Tsiolkovsky discovered 100 years ago: as speed increases, the mass required (in fuel) increases exponentially. This relation, specifically, is $$ \Delta v=v_e\ln\left(\frac{m_i}{m_f}\right) $$ where $v_e$ is the exhaust velocity, $m_i$ the initial mass and $m_f$ the...

99 years to go now
@KyleKanos that is almost...... experimental..... faints
19:11
@KyleKanos Yup, that gets an upvote.
@SabreTooth :\
There is some experimental anecdotes in there
@SabreTooth: You know, @KyleKanos is the one who made the meta post saying that experimental physics is physics too.
hey, i got an answer at 6, it'll get gold in the next geological era
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@SabreTooth ?
@DanielSank faints again
19:13
@SabreTooth lmao
my best answer physics.stackexchange.com/questions/138075/… at 6 upvotes.... sad really
Jeez, @SabreTooth, maybe you should go somewhere away from hard surfaces when you use the internet.
soft bean bags surround me
I have 12 answers at 0. How long till the big crunch?
@SabreTooth What's the point of the CD?
19:16
@DanielSank it makes a great spectrometer
I know that CD's diffract but I wouldn't expect them to split lines as needed for a spectroscope.
@SabreTooth Yes. Why?
@SabreTooth I don't know that physical principle :P
Gah's law of spectroscopy?
@DanielSank okay, lets look at my net example... upvotes and accepted
@DanielSank What's the distinction between experimental physics and English?
19:18
@GlenTheUdderboat That... is a hard question to answer.
@GlenTheUdderboat I'm strongly descriptivist in linguistics, btw.
@DanielSank my next best has 5 ups and accepted physics.stackexchange.com/questions/141881/…
@SabreTooth Heh, you do take every occasion to remind people that you're published :)
let's face it, it'd be a cold cold day in the pits of differential equation hell before I even get silver
@DanielSank ooh good catch, i'll edit that out
@SabreTooth Not sure what you mean. You have to do differential equations to get a silver badge?
@DanielSank i edited out the remark about being published
19:22
BTW: If you guys haven't yet done so, you need to upvote some answers here:
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Q: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

Grace NoteThe dawn of a new year, 2015, now approaches, or has already approached, either way it means that it is now time to reset our Community Promotion Ads! What are Community Promotion Ads? Community Promotion Ads are community-vetted advertisements that will show up on the main site, in the right s...

@DanielSank figure of speech
@DanielSank it looks better... edited answer physics.stackexchange.com/questions/141881/…
@SabreTooth *nods
@KyleKanos Dat -3 on PhysicsOverflow. Heh.
-4
7 upvotes??? omg a new record for me...
@KyleKanos What do I do if I have an idea but no official picture?
Describe it here
I can try whipping something up quick
19:29
really wish I had one for earth sciences
Well, reddit.com/r/askscience is a reasonably interesting resource.
Different flavor from SE.
There's r/physics too, which is kind of neat because it's higher frequency than SE and allows anything you want. Scanning the front page is a neat way to learn about hot new results in many fields.
Hasta la pasta.
Hmm. Can't tell if reddit stuff is CC'd
@DanielSank I figured it out! I'll get a gold when the next supercontinent forms.
19:40
anybody available? Had some questions on path integrals and Lagrangian and more
Path Integrals are my middle name.
@GlenTheUdderboat Glen the Path Integral Udderboat?
Glen Path The Integrals Udderboat.
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aaaaah!
19:42
The third? what happened to the first 2?
Ok, I have been trying to figure out the probability of a quantum particle to go thorugh the most optimized path.. similar to the lagrangian..
Such probability is exactly zero.
meaning?
I have an answer somewhere explaining that. Looking it up...
Here's one, with zero uproots: physics.stackexchange.com/a/56180/17609
^upvotes
so I can't figure the probability of the particle taking the optimized path bcos it's zero?
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A: How light know which path is smallest?

Glen The UdderboatA way to understand this, is to imagine that light actually follows all paths. However, most paths experience destructive interference with other paths. The only paths that do not experience destructive interference are those in the neighbourhood of paths with stationary (e.g., minimal) action (t...

Thanks so much!!!!
The earlier answer was better (for your purposes).
Well the thing was I was trying to answer this question that I asked myself:
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Q: Plants and Quantum Mechanics!

T AbrahamSo, I have been working on quantum biology and found something interesting that I would like to write an equation for: Scientists have wondered how plants have such a high efficiency in photosynthesis... They always thought that the photons' energy (needed for photosynthesis) reach the "reaction...

So would that question you linked answer my question as well?
Very similar stuff. Read the mentioned QED book. You'll figure it out. And much more. Kind regards, Glen Path The Integral Udderboat III.
@GlenTheUdderboat is there an online resource?
19:54
@TAbraham It's a cheap book, probably $7 or so. And sure, there must be plenty of it online.
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Q: Probability of a path

T AbrahamLet's say I have quantum particle and I wanted to find the probability that this particle goes through a chosen path. Is this practically possible?

QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter is an adaptation for the general reader of four lectures on quantum electrodynamics (QED) by Richard Feynman (1918-1988). QED was designed to be a popular science book, written in a witty style, and containing just enough quantum-mechanical mathematics to allow the solving of very basic problems in quantum electrodynamics by an educated lay audience. It is unusual for a popular science book in the level of mathematical detail it goes into, actually allowing the reader to solve simple optics problems, as might be found in an actual textbook. But unlike...
any help on this question?
Paths have amplitudes, not probabilities. They'll tell you that.
That's the whole beauty of it.
In quantum mechanics, a probability amplitude is a complex number used in describing the behaviour of systems. The modulus squared of this quantity represents a probability or probability density. Probability amplitudes provide a relationship between the wave function (or, more generally, of a quantum state vector) of a system and the results of observations of that system, a link first proposed by Max Born. Interpretation of values of a wave function as the probability amplitude is a pillar of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. In fact, the properties of the space of wave functions...
@GlenTheUdderboat so path integrals have nothing to do with this stuff?
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Sure they do. Except you can understand the whole thing without knowing integrals too much.
The path integral formulation of quantum mechanics is a description of quantum theory which generalizes the action principle of classical mechanics. It replaces the classical notion of a single, unique trajectory for a system with a sum, or functional integral, over an infinity of possible trajectories to compute a quantum amplitude. The basic idea of the path integral formulation can be traced back to Norbert Wiener, who introduced the Wiener integral for solving problems in diffusion and Brownian motion. This idea was extended to the use of the Lagrangian in quantum mechanics by P. A. M. Dirac...
Thanks so much... You have been so helpful!
oh, you think you can answer this:
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Q: Plants and Quantum Mechanics!

T AbrahamSo, I have been working on quantum biology and found something interesting that I would like to write an equation for: Scientists have wondered how plants have such a high efficiency in photosynthesis... They always thought that the photons' energy (needed for photosynthesis) reach the "reaction...

Thanks again!
@TAbraham I've read about it. Years ago. So the idea isn't new. The difference here, I think, it that the paths are forced to be discrete, as opposed to 'normal' light.
meaning?
But the point probably remains that you're not supposed to look at which path is taken, because then the whole interference thing stops working.
@GlenTheUdderboat i don't get it, what do you mean?
20:04
@TAbraham Meaning a countable number of paths (summing) vs an uncountable number (integrating).
@GlenTheUdderboat oh.. so all the info you gave me doesn't really apply? can't I justt make it discrete?
Sure, that should be easier. But you still can't tell which path was taken.
The double-slit experiment is a demonstration that light and matter can display characteristics of both classically defined waves and particles; moreover, it displays the fundamentally probabilistic nature of quantum mechanical phenomena. This experiment is sometimes referred to as Young's experiment. The experiment belongs to a general class of "double path" experiments, in which a wave is split into two separate waves that later combine back into a single wave. Changes in the path lengths of both waves result in a phase shift, creating an interference pattern. Another version is the Mach–Zehnder...
@GlenTheUdderboat but it should still explain the phenomenon.. correct?
I just want to write an equation for this phenomenon to explain it... I thought to do so we would have to know which path was taken but i guess not...
@TAbraham I think so. At least that's how I read it at the time.
@GlenTheUdderboat Thanks for the help...
20:08
@TAbraham No, you have to describe the probability amplitude for each path instead.
@GlenTheUdderboat oh yeah.. that's what I meant... but I am not sure how to do that.. that's why I was talking about path integrals as someone adviswed me to use themm.
You'll have the compute the length (or rather: time) of each path. That's the crucial ingredient.
@GlenTheUdderboat how?
Well, time = length.
@GlenTheUdderboat I still don't see what your trying to say.. first you said to compute the length rather than time but now you said time is length...
20:13
Yes, if one path is half a wave-length longer then another path, then these paths will destructively interfere, and probability will be zero for the two combined.
However, if the difference is a multiple of the wavelength, then they will constructively interfere.
so how do take every single path and their probability amplitudes into account?
I suppose you get an idea of all possible paths from looking at the cell structure of a leaf through a microscope.
And if you don't have a microscope, you just make up a structure. A crystal or raster perhaps.
@GlenTheUdderboat ok, so after the strucutre is figure out, from that is there a technique to figure out the possible paths light could travel?
that's the tricky part..
@TAbraham The structure defines all possible paths. Just like all the paths that the king can take on a chess board.
A path is nothing more than a series of steps from one cell to a neighbouring cell, I would suggest.
Now, since there are so many chemicals and particles, many sugggest to describe like an open quantum system.. what do you think on that?
20:26
Not much. Don't know enough about them. Anyway, the answerers to your question do seem to have a good clue. What's not sufficient in their answers?
@GlenTheUdderboat nothing, their answers are great, I just want many opinions on the question...
do you think you can answer my question with the info you gave me? I just want to have it for documenting purposes so I can quickly refer to it...
Certainly not. I'm just making this up on the spot. :)
@GlenTheUdderboat but the ifno you gave me was pretty helpful...
@TAbraham Hopefully, but not an answer to the question.
bye, and thanks so much Glen Path The Integral Udderboat III !
20:35
@TAbraham I don't understand the "the system snaps out of superposition and onto this route". I think that's phrased unhelpfully, but I could be wrong.
Bye
@GlenTheUdderboat I meant when it is observed
bye!
 
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@TAbraham: The path integral is very much about the idea that "which path was taken?" is not a sensible question in most cases. Unless you have a position measurement along the path at sufficiently small intervals, there simply is no "path taken".
^ that
We should have a wall of shame for questions with awful titles.
@DanielSank If it is only the title, edit it!
@ACuriousMind I always do.
Still want wall of shame ;)
Things like
"Electrostatics question?"
are not good titles.
@DanielSank Absolutely true - but that's why we edit those things, since, ideally, the OPs learn from the edits
Alas, nothing is ever ideal
That actually might not be a bad meta post
perhaps as a part of "How do I write a good question title?"
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