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12:53 AM
@vzn Seriously, someone not blaring their emotional state out for all to see on a public channel is a very different thing from not having emotions. It's called being a private person, which had much to be said for it in comparison to oversharing.
 
@vzn, @DanielSank has plenty of feelings, for one, he loves me
 
1:34 AM
What is a good definition of tangency?
 
1:45 AM
I'd say it's when two curves have exactly one common point within a particular neighbourhood, and when the angle between them at that point is zero.
 
@DawoodibnKareem I wasn't thinking of the angle part, but ok
Thanks for confirming my sanity
 
If you don't mention the angle, they could just cross in the regular way.
 
Ah, that's true
 
And the neighbourhood where it happens only needs to exist. It's not an "all neighbourhoods" condition. But it serves to separate the point of tangency from any additional points where the curves may meet.
 
@DawoodibnKareem Yeah, I know
I was thinking along the lines "there exists a neighborhood $U$ of the point for which the intersection of $U$, $C_1$ and $C_2$ solely contains the point
But I guess that's insufficient
 
1:51 AM
I wish I could remember the correct formal definition. It's something I would have known when I was working on my Master's. But it's just too many years ago, I'm sorry.
Someone in the Mathematics chat room might be able to help you.
 
Nah, it's fine. But I was thinking, the name "tangent vector" is misleading if tangency is only defined for sets
 
I'm not sure what you mean by that.
 
Sigh, I'm probably not making much sense
 
Well, sure, any space where "tangency" makes sense is some kind of set. But that doesn't mean that there aren't vectors in that set.
 
 
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vzn
4:05 AM
← :o geez! j/k! once again the bad guy! thought spock was regarded as cool! thought the geeks luved him! luv introverts, introverts make the world go round! either stepping on too many toes, or too many toes to step on! :P
 
user228700
4:18 AM
Hello, everyone :-)
 
4:35 AM
@KaumudiH good day!
You've started watching the office have you?
 
user228700
Oh, haha, yes :-)
 
I'm still trying to get past the first episode boredom :-{
But if I knew steve carell was the main guy, i would've satrted watching it a long time ago
 
Anonymous
@PrathyushPoduval is that a tv series ?
 
Anonymous
Hi @KaumudiH
 
5:00 AM
@Blue yeah it is
@JohnRennie the malfunctions are becoming more frequent now, you have any idea what it might be?
 
@PrathyushPoduval let me look back at your last message ...
@PrathyushPoduval the typing problem could be the touchpad. It sounds as if the cursor is moving while you are typing.
I would start by trying to work out if it's a hardware or software problem.
If have a bootable DVD or USB stick you can boot off that and see if the touchpad still misbehaves. If it still does then it would probably be hardware.
Have you got a Windows install DVD or USB stick? Or a recovery disk for your laptop?
 
5:33 AM
@JohnRennie Nope, I don't have any
I can download linux and boot it off a stick right?
 
@PrathyushPoduval yes, or you can download the Windows install files and use them to boot.
Or I have a small boot image if you want
 
@JohnRennie Yeah i'll use that
 
swarchive.ratsauce.co.uk
And download WinPE10-VNC.iso
Let me know when you've downloaded it so I can delete it again
When you've downloaded the ISO file you need to convert it to a bootable USB stick, but that's really easy. Ping me when you have the ISO and I'll talk you through it.
 
alright
@JohnRennie it's done
 
Hey @KaumudiH, you're back
 
5:44 AM
OK, right click the ISO file and choose Mount
That makes the file appear as a virtual DVD drive
 
mounted
 
Now insert the USB stick. You need to format it, so don't use a stick with important data on it
 
wait...
@JohnRennie alright done
I need to format it now?
 
Yes. Open explorer, right click the USB stick drive letter and choose format.
Make sure you format the USB stick not your C: drive :-)
 
Default settings?
 
5:51 AM
Yes, the defaults will be fine
 
Now just copy everything from the mounted ISO file to the USB stick.
 
@JohnRennie done
 
Now dismount the ISO. Right click on the ISO virtual drive letter and choose Eject
 
6:00 AM
To boot off the USB stick you need to reboot the laptop and get to the boot menu. I think you press F9 on HPs. That is, reboot and as soon as the HP logo appears start tapping F9.
I can't remember exactly when you have to press F9, so I recommend tapping it repeatedly during the boot.
 
okay rebooting
I’m in the boot mamager
 
Cool :-) There should be an option to boot from the USB stick.
 
@JohnRennie Did you see my topology apologist electromagnetism question/set of questions?
 
There’s s boot from EFI file
 
@PrathyushPoduval no, it won't be that
Post a picture of the boot menu options?
@BalarkaSen only you would apply the Biot-Savart law to a knot! :-)
 
6:03 AM
@JohnRennie whoops wait, I pressed the only remaining option :P
I’ll reboot it once it’s finished rebooting
 
@PrathyushPoduval S'OK you can't do any harm from this menu
@BalarkaSen I have to confess I'm pretty weak on electrodynamics, but then I've always hated it. It always felt to me to be just an excuse for sadistic examiners to set ridiculously contrived questions.
 
Hah
 
I enjoyed such contrived questikns
 
@JohnRennie lol. I really enjoyed Semiclassical's version, though
 
Except polarisability and magnetisation, they were shit
@JohnRennie oh damn, I forgot to press f9
I’ll have to rebook agsin
 
6:07 AM
I "knew" the picture but I never realized that Ampere's law along one component of a link gives linking number of a 2-component link
 
@PrathyushPoduval it might be worth checking that boot from USB in't disabled in the BIOS ...
 
Advanced startup then?
 
@PrathyushPoduval worth a try
 
Doing it wait...
 
Oh wait ... don't change the Advanced startup in Windows
 
6:10 AM
I didn’t change anything
I’m in the bios now
 
@PrathyushPoduval cool
There's a boot settings or boot order option somewhere
 
Aha, the HP document describing it is:
 
Yup I see the same order in biod
 
@PrathyushPoduval move the USB boot to thetop
then exit and save the changes
 
6:14 AM
How do I move things to the top?
 
The HP doc says there is an Advanced tab
 
Sorrybwait
The instructions are given in the bios screen
 
Cool :-)
 
Just reboot and see what happens
 
6:21 AM
I’m booting on to the same os
 
Does anybody know Italian language?
 
@JohnRennie should I go back to th bios?
 
Hmm, I wonder if something has gone wrong with writing the USB stick.
@PrathyushPoduval let me grab a copy of the ISO so I can check it. It'll take 10 mins (I'm at my Mum's house and her broadband is slow)
 
no problem
@JohnRennie could we continue this once you return? I’m a bit busy right now
 
@PrathyushPoduval no problem. Actually I'm working too. Just ping me when you're free.
 
6:31 AM
Yeah no Problem! Thanks :-)
 
 
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9:06 AM
Streater's book is fine but maybe I need a decent book on probability theory, too
He goes over Kolmogorov probability theory fairly fast
 
@Blue did you do reduction formulae of integration ?
 
Oh man
He uses $gm.$ for gram
 
9:20 AM
Hey guys, I am trying to solve the following functional equation:
$$(\sin x)(e^x) = n$$
I am wondering how to find the homomorphism $(g()h())x = \sin x e^x$
More generally consider the following functional equation:
$$A(x)B(x)=n$$
I am trying to find the form of $(A * B)$ such that $(A * B) (x) = A(x)B(x)$
 
9:37 AM
Listening to Wish You Were Here, drinking coffee, life is chilled right now ...
 
"He shows that in a model with four questions where the answer is contingent on who is asking the question, the correlations between the answers violate the Bell inequalities, calculated on the assumption that $\Omega$ is the set of people being questioned."
Oh no opinion polls are quantum
 
9:52 AM
@Slereah are we allowed superpositions?
 
@JohnRennie I'm afraid it's only due to a bad choice of sample space!
you may say there are...
HIDDEN VARIABLES
 
@JohnRennie you need to listen to real music, not this pink floyd crap
 
HERETIC, BURN HIM!!
 
DISNEY IS LIFE
D I S N E Y
 
Sweet Jesus, not just a Disney song remixed but remixed using a Mac rather than a real computer
I've died and gone to Hell
 
10:05 AM
Hahaha
 
Actually, no, I'm about to go to Hell - I have to take my mother shopping.
 
Yeah that's certainly a deeper circle of hell than watching a 30 year old man dancing his ass off while remixing Snow White into a party beat
 
(Apologies Mum, in the unlikely event you read the Physics SE)
Actually Pink Floyd are flawed in lots of ways. They don't really deserve the status they have. Wish You Were Here has about half an album's worth of good ideas and half an album of filler i.e. aimless noodling.
But then they were hardly talking to each other by that stage.
 
Mm I see. I haven't listened to enough Pink Floyd to add anything constructive to that, I was just making a random popularmusicsuuucks joke. I really liked The Wall, the only album from them I have listened to carefully and meticulously
 
It's funny, I loved the Wall when I was 18 but now it sounds embarrassingly bad to me.
 
10:11 AM
Oh really
 
They lyrics are ridiculously melodramatic
Basically Roger Waters screaming out his angst.
 
I see, I don't disagree
 
It wasn't even teenage angst by that stage because he was in his thirties by then.
To be fair there are some awesome lyrics on it, but too often the lyrics are really self indulgent.
Listen to Animals. I thnk that's the best of the later albums.
Have to go. Shopping awaits.
Wish me luck! :-)
 
Thanks, I shall have a look at it!
Hahah good luck
 
help he's talking about information algebras
 
10:40 AM
@ACuriousMind Good night
 
@BalarkaSen morning :)
 
Synonymous concepts
Did you see my topology apologist question from yesterday? :)
 
@BalarkaSen Yes, but I haven't had any time to actually think about it
 
No worries! I was just asking around a passing idea. SemiC had some insightful inputs
 
Currently packing my belongings for the moving soon
I'm finding my old GR books :
 
10:45 AM
@Slereah Where are you moving?
@BalarkaSen Yeah, I saw that, too
 
@ACuriousMind Same city, just in a flat i'll actually own
 
Maybe I'll get around to looking at it tomorrow, today I have to finish preparing the RPG session I'm running in a few hours
 
Not the kitty D:
The wormholes
 
@ACuriousMind mmm enjoy
 
The lower right includes the Novikov billard ball problem, interestingly
although the wormhole getting all tangled up is some misunderstanding of how it works :p
Also they seem to not understand how wormholes work too well
They think just using a black hole will do
 
10:51 AM
how does a wormhole work
 
It doesn't :p
But using a black hole isn't a great idea, what with the horizons
 
11:05 AM
Please take me now god
 
👌
naked singularities
 
I heard black holes are called trou noir in French
 
they are
 
which apparently has other connotations associated with it
 
well about the same as "black holes" does
the wormholes
at least this book mentions the exotic matter
 
11:10 AM
I remember seeing an animation of the distortion you'll see when looking at the end of the wormhole from it's mouth
 
And TIME TRAVEL
 
It's more weird than a fish eye lens
 
@BalarkaSen yeah there's a paper about this
Basically you see both the other side of the wormhole and also this side
 
Yeah.
 
Since some geodesics wrap around the wormhole and are reflected
So there's a mirror "ring"
With the other universe inside
although that is specifically for an Ellis-Bronnikov wormhole
Appearance on both sides
 
11:13 AM
Mmm
 
Making my way downtown
 
@Slereah I see a "index -1 singularity" at the east and west pole of the big spherical mouth in each picture
Wonder why that happens
Like, there's a hyperbolic thing happening
 
Well the paper has the computations of the geodesics, if you want
 
Why is there a robot doing push-ups outside the window?
 
that is what the future will be like
 
11:16 AM
^ crucial question
Doing push up on moon is certainly great exercise
 
Cool, so we'll have machines to exercise for us! That will make it easier to stay fit.
 
@Slereah i Do NoT hAbE aCceSs b0Ss
 
Do you not even have
access
wink
 
Aha
I do
 
the Big Bang was quite a clusterfuck apparently
 
11:19 AM
I do indeed have access to the scientological hubris
Also known as the scientific hubbub
 
Also, why do you see the night sky, when the earth is lit from above, which would make it day?
 
earth is always lit
 
But from above? That means the sun is up.
 
it is 👌
 
🔥
@DawoodibnKareem You misunderstand what I mean by lit
 
11:21 AM
I wonder if that author did other books
 
maybe I should have been specific and said "lit af" instead
 
outside of black holes and the big bang
 
@BalarkaSen Evidently
 
For the Canadian artist and graphic designer see Heather Cooper Prof Heather Anita Couper, CBE, BSc, DSc (Hon), DLitt (Hon), FInstP, CPhys, FRAS (born 2 June 1949), is a British astronomer and science populariser, and was president of the British Astronomical Association from 1984 to 1986. == Early life == Couper was born on 2 June 1949. She is the eldest daughter of George Couper Elder Couper and Anita Couper (née Taylor). At the age of seven or eight, she was watching planes in the night sky because her father was an airline pilot, when she unexpectedly witnessed a bright green meteor. ...
that's the one
 
Her father's name was George Couper Elder Couper? That seems ... excessive.
 
11:24 AM
That's nothing
My real name is Balarka Balarka Balarka Balarka Sen actually
 
Oh. May I call you Balarka?
 
Reduplication is a process by which the root or stem of a word, or part of it, is repeated. Alternative terms include cloning, doubling, duplication, and repetition. Reduplication has a grammatical function in some languages, such as plurality or intensification. It is also used to derive new words. The process of anthroponymy, or naming people, is frequently creative, and provides examples of this. During immigration many Arabs or others who use the Arab naming structure do not have a family name but take their father's name as their "last name". Most immigrants from the Arab world usually take...
 
Hmm. There was a kid at my school called Christopher Christopher.
Hmm, priceless, from Wikipedia.
"... St George St George, 1st Baron Saint George
Not to be confused with George St George, 1st Baron Saint George. ..."
 
12:02 PM
Amazing
 
The amazing thing is that St George St George, 1st Baron Saint George wasn't born St George St George; but when he married the daughter of George St George, 1st Baron Saint George, he took his wife's surname and became St George St George, then later took her father's title.
 
12:24 PM
"Even if such a wormhole is not physically reasonable, we take the risk and take a short trip to an unreasonable parallel universe."
heh
 
1:07 PM
@Slereah energy conditions are for wimps
 
vzn
1:49 PM
saw cool pink floyd doc on appletv(?) awhile back, killer history, a few oblique refs to their drug haze, a few other good docs out there, Wish You Were Here one of best songs ever :'| imdb.com/title/tt1957996
 
@BalarkaSen that's a lot of BS!
B's I mean! B's!
 
vzn
speaking of british pop culture thats been a past topic in here, there was this announcement... news.avclub.com/…
 
2:16 PM
@Slereah "life's too short not to visit another universe"
 
@JohnRennie Very clever
I see you're still alive after the shopping
 
Alive but psychologically scarred
 
@vzn The British people had a culture of writing poetry and plays in the olden times. But their English is not too good, so instead they invested those skills in writing pop hits.
 
@ffahim I prefer to answer questions in the main chat room or the Problem Solving room.
 
@BalarkaSen Why aren't British people too good? Isn't English British people's native language?
@BalarkaSen Why aren't British people's English too good? Isn't English British people's native language?
 
@CaptainBohemian It was a half-joke. The more serious half is something along the lines of, Britain contributed very little to the English language literature in the past two centuries.
It was mostly Irish and Scottish fams
Some Americans here and there
 
wonder why brits speak so weirdly
 
@BalarkaSen that's a little harsh :-)
 
@JohnRennie Haha. Well, I think it's true, but prove me wrong!
 
Few days ago I asked a question.why can't we stand on water surface? (why water cannot give the normal force same as our weight). Pls let me know the reason completely. @JohnRennie
 
2:33 PM
I also think Shakespeare is rather... dull, compared to the epics written in his times by dudes like Cervantes or Dante
 
"Pls let me know the reason completely. " what a strange request
 
I guess I have a subconscious prejudice against British literature
 
Not just water think about fluid surfaces(including Air and other fluids)
 
@ffahim When you stand on the water surface your weight creates a force acting on the water. But the force on the water is only part of your weight not your whole weight.
So the equal and opposite upwards force that the water exerts on you is also only part of your weight.
Since the upwards force is less than your weight there is a net force pulling you downwards and you sink into the water.
 
@JohnRennie Hm, I walked on the Baltic sea last week to a neighbouring island without sinking into the water.
 
2:38 PM
Why that? I mean in case of standing on the floor I am exerting Force equal as my weight?why not for water surface @JohnRennie
 
@ffahim the floor isn't flowing away from you.
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen uh, that statement really seems completely uninformed, but do concede am not a lit prof or lit historian myself. two notable/ highly influential examples of british lit off the top of my head (some personal affinity): 1984 orwell and brave new world/ huxley.
 
@JohnRennie savage
How was the shopping @JohnRennie
 
@Tanuj it wasn't meant to be ...
 
@JohnRennie I know I was messing around.
 
2:40 PM
12 mins ago, by John Rennie
Alive but psychologically scarred
 
@JohnRennie Haha happy to be talking to you again !
 
from your point "the floor isn't flowing away" when the water is displaced air instantly fills that place, so in that case the remaining weight is exerting on air molecule. @JohnRennie
 
Shakespeare's writing is usually very odd, not conforming to usual English grammar and thus not easily understood.
 
@vzn Two examples do not really constitute a basis for an argument. I have no statistical basis for the statement I made, but I think it's definitely true. Most major literary works in English language I can come up with are mostly written by Irishmen, or people of Irish descent. I'd bet money on it.
I am open to a statistical counterargument
On another note I should read either of 1984 and Brave New World at some point of time in my life
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen maybe you are not familiar with the examples cited. this "debate" seems maybe better suited for an English Language & Usage chat room. would not expect indians to be much familiar with english lit.
 
2:42 PM
Not today, but some day
@vzn Oh no I am familiar with the two examples, just pointing out that it doesn't at all contradict the statement I made
 
And it's not about whether the water is flowing away or not. See when I just stand (or try to stand) at that instant full of my body weight is on the water surface, but it seems like the normal force that was expected to act on me gets reduced. @JohnRennie
 
I do not claim to be an expert in English literature, but I have read a fair bit, enough to make an informed guess (which may turn out to be correct or incorrect)
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen however, am sometimes in the mood for random googling. sometimes its rather easy. lets see, this pops up quickly re great british literature... bbc.com/culture/story/20151204-the-100-greatest-british-novels
 
I think you might be a little biased by your literary tastes. There are other authors besides James Joyce and T. S. Eliot
 
@vzn Well, that link doesn't constitute a counterargument either :P
@JohnRennie Very possible
 
2:46 PM
What about George Bernard Shaw ? He is one of my favorites !
 
Shaw was an Irish playwriter
 
vzn
↑ oh look tolkien is on the list, just recently a topic of discussion in here, and a multibillion dollar grossing movie franchise.
 
And Jerome K. Jerome ? His work is superb
@BalarkaSen oh okay. Didn't know that .
 
Same as Ibsen, the two of which make for the playwriters of the nineteenth century
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen any argument with you would demand a fair "moderator"/ outside audience because you increasingly seem to be far from ones attributes wrt misc debates.
 
2:48 PM
How about JK Rowling ;P
 
Andrew Flintoff ?
 
I don't think J. K. Rowling falls in the list of influencial authors of English literature, to be honest.
@JohnRennie Ah yes I have heard of him
 
@BalarkaSen to be fair there was a smiley there
 
@BalarkaSen Well , I kinda agree , but you have to remember she is one of the biggest of this century
 
vzn
2:49 PM
@Tanuj nice example, thx. penniless single mother now worlds richest/ 1st billionaire author (another multibilliondollar movie franchise among top grossing ever) + also still holding out hope for a date with her :) :P
 
@vzn I know :P
 
@vzn Well, yes, because I am making a purely statistical claim. Someone has to do the statistics to refute my argument. You seem to have real logical comprehension issues
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen lol literature is rarely a matter of statistics. anyone who knows much about the field might appreciate that.
 
Aldous Huxley, J. G. Ballard, George Orwell
 
What about Andrew Flintoff Guys !! ;P
 
2:51 PM
On another note I agree Tolkien is influencial, but not because he has had his books turned into top grossing Hollywood movies :P
 
Ah George Orwell , he is a class act.
 
@JohnRennie Oh Ballard is a good example!
I really liked High-Rise. Fantastic writer
 
vzn
wondering if all this is again some variation of so-called "civilized trolling" etc
 
Did you guys mention Charles Dickens yet ?
Oh and Arthur Conan Doyle ? (He is a legend)
 
Evelyn Waugh
 
vzn
2:54 PM
holy @#%& cow the some indians know british literature better than anyone, even english speakers o_O :P :)
 
Doyle was of Scottish/Irish descent
 
Then there's the miserable bastard whose name I can't remember
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@vzn @BalarkaSen seems to know his family and descent too
@JohnRennie lol he is really miserable .
 
Kingsley Amis!
 
vzn
my HS english teacher had huge "like" of conrad heart of darkness... a novel which seems to be prescient wrt 20th century (colonialism/ imperalism/ war) horrors etc... it seems british writers (again thinking of orwell+ huxley) have some thing about prescience...
 
2:57 PM
And Martin Amis of course
 
In the past 8 hours in math chat, I have been trying to generalise this problem solving method:
 
Hg Wells
 
$$\int_0^{\pi} \frac{x \sin x}{1+ \cos^2 x}dx = -\int_{\pi}^{0} \frac{(\pi - u) \sin (\pi - u)}{1+ \cos^2 (\pi - u)}du = \int_{0}^{\pi} \frac{(\pi - u) \sin (\pi - u)}{1+ \cos^2 (\pi - u)}du = \int_{0}^{\pi} \frac{- u \sin (-u)}{1+ \cos^2 (- u)}du + \int_{0}^{\pi} \frac{\pi \sin u}{1+ \cos^2 (u)}du = -\int_{0}^{\pi} \frac{u \sin (u)}{1+ \cos^2 (u)}du + \int_{0}^{\pi} \frac{\pi \sin u}{1+ \cos^2 (u)}du$$
 
Not mercury Wells , HG Wells
 
with some polynomial $h$
$$\int_a^u f(x) dx = \int_{g(a)}^{g(u)} [f\circ g](x) g'(x)dx = h \left(\int_a^u f(x) dx\right)+ K(x)\mid_{g(a)}^{g(u)}$$
 
2:58 PM
@vzn Conrad is of Polish descent, IIRC
 
vzn
@Tanuj one of the greatest SF authors of all times
 
Heart of Darkness is a good novel.
 
however, it seems no matter what I do, I never can express $g$ in terms of something without involving $\int f(x) dx$, which is really weird because the concrete example above does not seemed to suffer this problem
 
@vzn agreed , I was astonished by The Invisible Man !
 
I was reading Typhoon a few days ago. Odd writing style, though
 
vzn
2:58 PM
@BalarkaSen hes on the top 100 list. think you might be mistaken (again)...
 
@vzn No. He was not a fluent English speaker, even
He was given British citizenship I think
That's why his writing style is interesting; it's not mainstream
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen oh geez any idea why hes on the list? his books are fluent english... british citizen, etc? again moving the goalposts
 

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