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7:00 PM
This is strange. I don't understand why my construction fails.
Likely the gluing lemma fails, but why man
 
The trick is that since every rational point has a different number of branches, you can't move the point in that neighbourhood to another point surrounded by the same number of branches
 
Same for rational points in each of those branches, right?
 
yes
It is a branch extravaganza
 
So likely it's not very 1st countable
I'm confused
 
it is not
Gould doesn't do any reasonable manifold
He specifically does horrible manifolds
 
7:04 PM
Oh are you fucking kidding me
 
wot
Oh wait actually
 
1-disks inside the charts in this manifold contain limit points of sequences which do not belong to the 1-disk
It's like the infinite broom scenario
 
Not the broom scenario :O
 
Oh I see. Duh.
 
so what fails?
 
7:09 PM
The reason my logic fails is that say you have the Y manifold, the simplest example of nonHausdorff 1-manifold
Take a chart at the "tripod point"
That's homeomorphic to R^1, sending the tripod point to 0
So it's one branch of the Y
 
Yes
 
The self-homeomorphism of R^1 to R^1 sending 0 to $\epsilon$ does not extend to a self-homeomorphism of Y
Simply because it's the unique "non-Hausdorff point"
 
So basically I think a lot of wormhole papers are possibly wrong because they always work with stupid wormholes
they always pick wormholes of "radius 0"
Which is much simpler but also much stupider
 
Physicists: Publishing wrong papers since the beginning of human history
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also there's a lot of things that they call "closed geodesics" but I'm not 100% sure that's accurate
Because 1) this is only the case for a few specific case and 2) I don't think the tangent vector loops back properly
but unfortunately those are all very tricky issues
I'll have to use the karaté theorem
 
7:19 PM
@Slereah Smash all the books in twain with you hand?
 
@ACuriousMind even worse
In mathematics, Carathéodory's theorem may refer to one of a number of results of Constantin Carathéodory: Carathéodory's theorem (conformal mapping), about the extension of conformal mappings to the boundary Carathéodory's theorem (convex hull), about the convex hulls of sets in Euclidean space Carathéodory's existence theorem, about the existence of solutions to ordinary differential equations Carathéodory's extension theorem, about the extension of a measure Borel–Carathéodory theorem, about the boundedness of a complex analytic function Carathéodory–Jacobi–Lie theorem, a generalization of Darboux...
 
the karaté man himself
Oh wait, it's that one specifically
In mathematics, Carathéodory's existence theorem says that an ordinary differential equation has a solution under relatively mild conditions. It is a generalization of Peano's existence theorem. Peano's theorem requires that the right-hand side of the differential equation be continuous, while Carathéodory's theorem shows existence of solutions (in a more general sense) for some discontinuous equations. The theorem is named after Constantin Carathéodory. == Introduction == Consider the differential equation y ′ ( t )...
Because it turns out that everyone uses geodesics in thin-shell wormhole spacetimes, but nobody even checks that the solutions exist
Even though the connection isn't even continuous
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen ducks are occasionally harmed in the room :P
 
@vzn ducks do tend to indulge in quackery a lot
:P :P :) :(
 
7:26 PM
quite the
paraducks
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen as long as you dont call em crank ducks nobody gets hurt :P ps one of my favorite math cranks vzn1.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/…
 
It's like that old joke
about a man betting that his duck can say "phony doctor"
 
@vzn ducks don't crank, they quack. am seeing a little )( bit of pseudoscientific quackery around here by a certain () amount }{ of [] people :P D: d:
 
and the duck says "Charlatan!"
 
vzn
lol
if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a quack(ery?) duck :P
 
7:30 PM
@vzn that's why you never became a zoologist
 
vzn
lol that reminds me wolfram was once "accused" of being a zoologist wrt cellular automata... hows that for nonlinear thinking
 
Wolfram has been accused of much worse things
 
thinks someone )( is {{)(}} being a smartass <-- by trying to ... "laugh" "along" with the >< mocking "crowd"
 
@Slereah Do French ducks also quack or do you ascribe a different onomatopoeia to them?
 
French ducks say "Coin"
 
vzn
7:31 PM
trying to laugh exactly like everyone else, not always succeeding (some have trouble laughing) :P
 
the duck wants money? :P
 
Nah, pronounced \kwɛ̃\!
but of course english isn't very good with nasal vowels
 
vzn
@Slereah lol you say that like he might not be guilty (of all of it) :P
 
That's why the americans can't pronounce Poincaré correctly!
@vzn Well I have a friend who personally met Wolfram
And apparently it is pretty fair criticism :p
 
vzn
@Slereah as if americans care about correct pronunciation of anything esp foreign words :P
 
7:34 PM
@Slereah Now that sounds like a fancy duck!
 
@Slereah They have a more immediate issue of protecting their Healthcaré system from the Trompolini
 
Americans trying to say french words is very painful to hear
 
vzn
@Slereah lol americans feel the same about french speaking american :P
 
yes, but they do it to sound fancy
We only do it because we hate America
 
Americans can't actually speak English
 
vzn
7:36 PM
@Slereah feeling sometimes mutual eh? hell you didnt support the iraq invasion so that explains at least ½ the anger in the opposite direction
 
@vzn I do remember the flash videos of the early 2000's
The era when internet people felt very patriotic
And basically hating France for siding with evil!
 
vzn
@Slereah yes glad its over will never forget 911 but sometimes wish one could
 
I've never seen such hate for poor Jacques Chirac!
Do you also remember the Alamo
those are the big two
 
am seeing the ducks quacking some politics now am i
<--- <--- << }}
 
vzn
reminds me do you recall this book? do recall vilifying it/ authors it was some of the 1st propaganda in this country at the time en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11:_The_Big_Lie
 
7:39 PM
@BalarkaSen I see the Diazepam side effects are kicking in ;)
 
I don't recall, no
 
@ACuriousMind Hahah
 
Also the proper duck smiley is |__( o)<
 
It's enhancing my power of indirect suggestions
 
Or 🦆
If you're feeling modern
$\Huge{🦆}$
 
7:40 PM
i love unicode
 
$$\Huge{🦆}^{\Huge{🦆}}_{\Huge{🦆}}$$
$$\Huge{🍞}\ \Huge{🦆}^{\Huge{🦆}}_{\Huge{🦆}}$$
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They are after the bread
 
vzn
@Slereah hes a physics Phd and youd think thered be more affinity in some parts
 
how dee
 
From what I hear he has some... modesty issues, let's say
 
vzn
@Slereah touche but (yet) he deserves major credit...
 
7:44 PM
quackery intensifies
 
@Slereah Art.
 
He also apparently got mad when physicists called his idea of doing cellular automaton physics stupid
 
vzn
@Slereah 't hooft followed his lead. ("other" non-nobel-winning physicists still calling it stupid)
 
Well there might be something to it, but he was apparently way overselling it with basically no results :p
 
Speaking of art, there was a squeaking door in the office (the door to the toilets). Facility management "solved" the problem by removing the door entirely, and someone put up a note explaining this as a work of modern art commenting on the loss of privacy in modern society :D
 
7:47 PM
@ACuriousMind Literal shitposting
 
vzn
@Slereah lol results are forthcoming when ppl work on it... as for "sales," hes an entrepreneur :P
 
@BalarkaSen I guess you could say so
 
Does that person have last name Duchamp by any means?
 
@vzn obviously not a very good one if everyone laughed at him!
 
@BalarkaSen What person?
It is not known who removed the door or who put up the note
 
vzn
7:48 PM
@BalarkaSen lol now that is "art" :P
 
@vzn seeing some ducks familiar with marcel et al, mucho interesting quacks
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen lol just wondering, do you have any friends at all? :P
 
@ACuriousMind It was a reference to Duchamp's "Urinal" or whatever the name is
 
are geese ducks too
 
@diobuceulb change my mind!
 
7:50 PM
@BalarkaSen As you can tell by my reaction, I'm not an art person :P
 
@BalarkaSen they honk instead of quack
quite obnoxious
lots of em around here
 
@vzn interesting; ducks do roam around in herds
 
vzn
speaking of "obnoxious"...
@BalarkaSen you seem to be the main duck expert around here
 
have seen lots of ducks. still am looking at one. natural to be an expert upon closer observation/inspection etc
<-- lol
 
7:52 PM
he is, he literally showed me this 50gb folder on his desktop with random duck facts and pics in it
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen you could be a cyber comedian with your clever impressions
 
@diobuceulb we share lots of duckpicks, amirite?
 
h m m
yes
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen speaking of "mockery"...
 
speaking of ducks
 
7:54 PM
Do y'all know the true fact about the common duck? (warning: discussion of duck genitalia, possibly NSFW :P)
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen youre like the mockmeister
 
@ACuriousMind hey acm wassap?
 
@ACuriousMind O lord
 
vzn
wonders if mockery + quackery mixes sometimes... mock quackery? quacky mockery? quackery mockery?
 
@diobuceulb groan
 
7:58 PM
@ACuriousMind don't groan, now it's much easier for you to get a loan.
 
that line has a natural flow to it
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen have you thought any more about going to college? (think itd be a waste if you didnt)
 
I'm supposed to take the admissions on May or so. If I pass those I'll get in.
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen ok, rooting for you :)
 
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Q: Maths and physics agreement

FrankThis might be a semi-philosophical question - sometimes when we solve a physics problem, the maths gives solutions that are tossed out as "non-physical", and we keep only the solutions that make physical sense. There are situations where the maths yields solutions that were not thought about pre...

Primarily opinion-based? Too broad?
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8:09 PM
"Laws of Physics and Diffeomorphism Covariance"
This seems like a question that will rouse debate
 
dammit i missed it
 
 
1 hour later…
9:34 PM
I think Stack Exchange could work better without the "accept" mechanism. Have there been experiments in that direction?
 
Of course it would - at least for some sites. I have said this many times.
 
@DawoodibnKareem Agreed, for some sites.
Although it is a staple of SE
 
My argument appears here and applies just as much to physics.SE as it does to ELL.
 
@DanielSank I agree that at least the scientific sites would work better without it, but no, there have been no experiments as far as I know.
 
what is the "accept" mechanism?
oh, the answer accept
 
9:46 PM
@Slereah The green checkmark OPs can hand out for the "best" answer
 
yeah it's a bit tricky
Although fortunately I never really encounter the case of having too many good answers
 
10:08 PM
@Slereah What bothers me about it is that:
1. It puts a lasting stamp of preferred approval on an answer that might be wrong.
2. It discourages me from adding new/better answers if I'm "late to the party".
3. It emphasizes the value of an answer under the view of the OP, rather than under considerations of bare quality.
I care way too much about my answers being accepted. I would be more prolific if the checkmark didn't exist at all.
 
@DanielSank If you believe that acceptance shouldn't exist, why do you care about it at all?
 
@DawoodibnKareem It's sort of like "I wish I didn't have to worry about shaving, but everyone else does it so I have to do it too".
 
You can always try to persuade the OP that the accepted answer is wrong; or that your answer is better. I have tried this twice on physics.se - once successfully and once not.
 
@DawoodibnKareem I'd rather just let the votes do the talking.
Votes reflect the evaluation of multiple users. An acceptance mark reflects the evaluation of OP alone.
Yet, the accept gets a big green check mark and a bunch of extra rep. It's kinda silly.
 
Yes. It's silly on physics.se and ELL, and probably loads of other sites. It's not silly on Stack Overflow. It really needs to be configured on a site-by-site basis, as I suggested in the last paragraph of my answer on that question I linked to.
 
10:18 PM
ehh, it's not that much rep
 
It's about the visuals as well as the rep - the big green tick and the "always on top".
 
^ that
 
10:47 PM
Don't you love it when you get a popup saying "please restart your computer to complete installation", and you have no idea what was being installed?
 
11:00 PM
@DawoodibnKareem I have never gotten such a popup
 
@DawoodibnKareem Run Linux instead
@ACuriousMind Heya
Long time no see
 
@BernardoMeurer ahoi
It's snowing again here
 
11:18 PM
@ACuriousMind Yuck
I hate snow
 
I love it
 

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