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12:00 AM
that's not my area so I wouldn't feel comfortable talking about it
 
agreed
 
Of course I'm avoiding applications in GR
 
12:37 AM
it's confusing that while hydrodynamics aren't (as far as I remember) an example of Lagrangian mechanics, there is such a thing as the Lagrangian formulation of hydrodynamics
 
@Semiclassical indeed there is
it's in Hawking and Ellis -- also a notoriously difficult section
 
there is a Lagrangian formulation (in the mechanics sense) for hydrodynamics, apparently. see the opening paragraph here: wwwhome.lorentz.leidenuniv.nl/~saarloos/Papers/…
which has Lagrangian density $\mathcal{L}=p$ where $p$ is the pressure, evidently
 
1:11 AM
@Semiclassical huh
 
1:56 AM
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2:14 AM
@0celo7 turns out if you set $r = C(r)$ in Schwarzschild and use forms, computing Schwarzschild from nothing becomes really simple and so much stuff looks the same you can memorize it, done here nicely youtube.com/…
 
 
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vzn
3:37 AM
@Semiclassical hydrodynamics rocks =D
 
@Semiclassical oh my god
these girls are crazy
 
3:53 AM
@0celo7 ?
 
@Semiclassical did I not tell you that I'm in a project group with 4 girls
for a philosophy class
 
oh, right
 
they're a therapy group in the chat
not even kidding
I would post pics but that would be mean
 
the lives of others
 
they need to suck it up and be sociopaths like the rest of us
 
3:58 AM
lol
silly women, what with their emotional intelligence /s
 
one of them has such bad anxiety she can't come to class
 
ugh
that sucks
 
(she's a sorority party girl)
press X to doubt her story
anyway
how do I compute the order of a zero of a holo function?
 
Ok I will be coding again tonight
Still waiting for Verizon's answer
 
well
$f(z)/z^k\to$const. as $z\to 0$ works
as does showing that $f^{(k)}(0)$ vanishes for $k=0,1,2,...n$
 
4:02 AM
yes, but admittedly I don't know how to compute the limit in this case
 
What's the case of interest?
 
hw, don't want that much help
 
mmkay
 
@Semiclassical hmm
 
i mean, that's a pretty computationally involved approach
 
4:03 AM
@Semiclassical I like your suggestion.
thanks
 
so it's usually not a great one unless the order is small
np
 
first order, so...
 
@Semiclassical you actually have to compute the next derivative too
to make sure it's not zero too
 
right
 
4:05 AM
er
no
for a first order zero, it's enough to show that $f'(0)\ne 0$
 
right.
 
you want $a_1\ne 0$ in the taylor expansion
 
which will be the same as $f(z)/z\not \to 0$, so in this case there's not too much difference
 
so when you divide off $z$ that term becomes the constant
 
(presumably it's obvious in your case that $f(0)=0$)
 
4:07 AM
@Semiclassical Yes
It was $\sin nz$
 
ah yeah
 
so really easy to compute the derivative too
and it's not gonna be zero where sin is zero
 
ya
the issue I have is (usually) not finding the order of the zero
it's actually getting the residue if I have to do things by hand
not hard in a technical way, just tedious
 
next part is to compute the residue of csc n\pi
 
that's a useful one to know
 
4:13 AM
@Semiclassical ah well here it's nice because the residue formula is 1/difference quotient
 
right
 
 
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5:25 AM
@Cows so whats the prj/ lang anyway?
 
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6:13 AM
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7:06 AM
@0celo7 I did not
Wald claims the same thing as Moretti, but he just redirects to the PCT book for proof
Which doesn't have the direct proof, just the proof of the edge of the wedge theorem
 
7:17 AM
Dancing in my room to stir fry by Migos
fun fun fun
 
 
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9:47 AM
@JohnRennie Hey!
 
@Tanuj Morning :-)
 
@JohnRennie Morning. It's nearly 3:30 here. I'm from India you might know.
I've got a question from Optics I can't solve correctly.
 
OK?
@Tanuj let's use the Problem solving room
 
10:29 AM
@JohnRennie Sorry if I'm bothering you, are you available rn?
 
10:40 AM
Apparently it's fairly easy to build non-time orientable wormholes
Well, mathematically
 
 
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1:40 PM
@Blue Hey !
 
Anonymous
Hi
 
I never asked you , which college are you studying in ?
 
Anonymous
@Tanuj Jadavpur University
 
didn't you get above 300 in mains ?
 
Anonymous
@Tanuj No, who said that
 
1:44 PM
I assumed
how much did you get ?
 
Anonymous
@Tanuj 225 iirc
 
That's soo good !
@Blue Can you give me some tips , tricks , shortcuts for any chapter , any concept ?
 
Anonymous
@Tanuj Not sure I'm the right person to answer that question. Also got to complete my homework now...
 
@Blue uhm you must have some tricks ? If not do you know someone who has ?
 
Anonymous
I don't know what tricks you're talking about
 
1:56 PM
like there are a few tricks I know from youtube
some shortcuts or direct results and formulae for particular cases of a concept
 
I need to later figure out how non time orientable is reversing what
 
user228700
@DawoodibnKareem: It's true. For the record, I don't quite need loyalty, haha. I have observed it among the boys, and have envied them from time to time, that's all.
 
Anonymous
@KaumudiH Grass always seems greener on the other side ;)
 
user228700
True, true :-)
 
user228700
2:12 PM
OH! I've just remembered that it's John's birthday tomorrow!
3
 
Anonymous
@KaumudiH Make some plans XD
 
user228700
Lol, what am I capable of doing, so far away from him?
 
user228700
I'll wish him, as per usual :-)
 
Anonymous
@KaumudiH Well, you shouldn't have revealed it a day earlier!!
 
Anonymous
The first thing he does when he visits the chatroom is to go through the transcript :P (I guess)
 
user228700
2:19 PM
:-) That's OK, I suspect he's not too fussy about turning 57.
2
 
user228700
He's at his Mum's, I believe, so at least there will be cake! :-D
 
2:34 PM
Kaku on reddit: "I work with supersymmetric 11 dimensional tensor calculus. We think that is the ultimate language of nature."
 
what a nerd
 
Anonymous
@bolbteppa Is that real? Link?
 
Anonymous
"I am Dr. Michio Kaku: a physicist, co-founder of string theory, and now a space traveler – in the Miniverse. AMA!"
 
co-founder?
 
2:37 PM
Yes
 
@bolbteppa he is such a meme
 
The guy is a boss
 
How is Kaku even co-founder of string theory
 
Anonymous
Who's the CEO of String Theory?
 
if you boast about 11-dim tensor calculus, you probably don't understand string theory or physics in general
 
2:39 PM
If you don't understand his point, you don't understand how special 11-dim super tensor calculus is
 
Where are Veneziano and Nambu's AMAs
 
This explains why 11 is so special and crazy math.ucr.edu/home/baez/week158.html
 
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John Baez, I love your site but get a mathjax plugin, please
look at those nasty equations
 
Anonymous
@bolbteppa It sounds like something fancy that would attract laymen
 
2:42 PM
@Blue yes, that was my point
saying you work with 11 dimensional tensor calculus is pretty cringey
 
Anonymous
@0celo7 Indeed
 
I work with n-dimensional geometric measures
 
Anonymous
I doubt any serious mathematician or theoretical physicist would bat an eyelid
 
it's the ultimate language of geometry
@Blue well, the index hell would scare a few people ;)
 
Your geometric measures do not even incorporate super groups, while his stuff does
@Blue That's the story of his pop sci career :p
 
2:45 PM
Kaku's problem is that he flat out says stupid shit when in pop sci mode
I don't doubt he is/was a serious physicist
 
that's how you sell books baby
I got a kaku book for Christmas once
Because the relatives think that is what physicists enjoy
 
It is a bit shocking seeing him say pop sci things then seeing how insane his textbooks and papers really are
 
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@Slereah Looool
 
lmao Reed and Simon
Theorem XI.101
how do you have 100 theorems in a chapter
@Slereah how long till duff is back?
 
@0celo7 how do you solve Einstein's field equations in this form, basically Zee's equations in the forms chapter:
\begin{align}
R^t \, _t &= - \frac{1}{B^2}[\frac{A''}{A} - \frac{A'B'}{AB} + 2 \frac{A'}{Ar}] \\
R^r \, _r &= - \frac{1}{B^2}[\frac{A''}{A} - \frac{A'B'}{AB} - 2\frac{B'}{Br}] \\
R^{\theta} \, _{\theta} &= - \frac{1}{B^2}[- \frac{B'}{rB} + \frac{A'}{Ar} + \frac{1}{r^2}] + \frac{1}{r^2}
\end{align}
 
2:48 PM
@bolbteppa oh dear god
 
18 days
 
I had to solve the equations by hand for a summer project
 
You have to subtract the first two to get $\frac{A'}{A} + \frac{B'}{B} = 0$
 
don't do this to me again pls
 
But seriously, the $R^{\theta} \, _{\theta}$ is not solvable using this, these equations are not solvable in this form, but they should be
 
2:49 PM
@bolbteppa which page in Zee?
 
611, different from the equations on 368 or around there, but he says they are the same, and these equations are right
You can get the cosmology eom so quick with forms
 
what is new
 
Hm
 
::gets out lethal weapon that is zee::
this book is ridiculous
 
There's so much stuff in this Zee tbh, yesterday I finally understood the coefficient in the EH action I always forgot to check because of him
 
2:53 PM
wot
 
I wrote an answer to something but I guess people did not like my inkscape skillz
1 hour and no upvotes
 
If I have a curve $\gamma$ on a Cauchy surface $\Sigma_t$ in Minkowski space of length $l_\gamma$, is it true that for a curve $\gamma'$ that projects to $\gamma$, the soonest it can reach $\Sigma_{t + s}$ is if $l_\gamma / s = c$?
It's true for geodesics, but is it true for general curves
 
are you sure it's true for geodesics?
what is $c$?
 
Speed of light
Or $1$, if you prefer
 
you mean 1
the parametrization of cauchy surfaces is arbitrary though
 
2:55 PM
It's at least true for geodesics in the canonical foliation
I dunno if it's general
 
canonical foliation?
 
$t = cte$
Wait what's the english symbol for a constant
 
const
 
I should probably check the Gorgone book
It's probably in it if true
 
what book?
 
3:01 PM
Gourgoulhon
I guess if I have a curve $\gamma(\lambda) = (0, \vec x(\lambda))$, I can convert it to a null curve by $((-1 - |\vec x|^2), \vec x(\tau))$
Or something similar
One of those dreaded non-geodesic null curve
How to show it minimizes the time to that hypersurface, tho
 
@Slereah let's do an exercize
let $\phi\in C^\infty_c(\Bbb R^n)$, show that $|D\phi|^2/\phi$ is bounded where defined
 
What's $D$, any derivative?
 
the gradient
$\partial_i\phi\partial^i\phi/\phi$
 
3:17 PM
The derivatives give continuous function on the support, which is compact so there's a maxima, hence we're just dividing two finite numbers on the support?
 
no $1/\phi$ blows up at the boundary of the support
 
Hm
 
because $\phi$ goes to zero
so somehow $|D\phi|^2$ cancels it
 
I'm guessing it's gonna be something where the convergence of $\phi$ to $0$ is only as "fast" as $D\phi$
 
right
for some reason the hypotheses are actually $\phi\in C^2_c$
so does one have to take another derivative?
 
3:23 PM
If $x \in \text{supp}$ then $\phi(x - h) - \phi(x) = \phi(x - h) = 0 - h \phi'(x) + h^2 \phi''(x)$
 
wot
why is $\phi(x)=0$
 
Because it's on the boundary
 
you said it's in the supp
 
(should have been $\partial \text{supp}$)
Hm, what then
$$\frac{(\partial \phi(x + h))^2}{\phi(x + h)} = \frac{h^2 \phi''(x) + O(h^3)}{h \phi'(x) + h^2 \phi''(x) + O(h^3)} $$
Hm
Don't think that helps
 
I think I've done this once before...
 
Anonymous
3:33 PM
@BalarkaSen Is this a meme yet: youtu.be/dr8MdKdIBIA?t=4s ? It's showing up all over YouTube (ads!)
 
Anonymous
At least till you read he has palsy, it looks pretty hilarious.
 
Anonymous
Not the best ad without context
 
its a strange ad but i dont consider it funny
 
4:09 PM
@Slereah I think one should assume it's unbounded, take a sequence that blows up the ratio, then get a convergent subsequence (compactness) and compute the difference quotient along this subsequence
and then somehow that contradicts the sequence blowing up
 
maybe
time to go home
l8er
 
cya
 
4:34 PM
Another Kaku-ism, he has a section called 'a simple proof of the Atiyah-Singer index theorem' in his book, mental
 
hi
 
@bolbteppa what are the chances it’s completely wrong
 
can anyone tell me what the image, shown in Griffiths Electrodynamics textbook?
 
0 chance, Witten probably proved it
 
Looks like lorenz attractors
 
4:43 PM
@Slereah thank you so much! Its a Lorentz "Strange" Attractor.
 
5:01 PM
@0celo7 those EFE do give the right solution, but you just have to solve a more complicated ODE...
 
@Semiclassical when is murder of project group members justified
 
@0celo7 when they promise to finish a thing for the due date and do not
Professors have this thing where they try to make groups of "equal level"
This means that one member of the group will be a big thicky bobo
 
My group has mostly hobos
An autocorrect to be sure, but a welcome one.
 
I assume you meant to say "robots"
 
5:23 PM
@Slereah no, bobos
 
Bobos? What is this, the 1980's?
 
one has such bad anxiety she can't come to class, another has the flu, another has some lame excuse to not come to the group meeting
 
@Slereah you wrote bobo!!!
 
Oh yes
Man i still have like 600 pages of Gourgoulhon to read
 
5:25 PM
turns out I have twice as long for this presentation as I thought
 
vzn
↑ hey numerous math geeks, heard of desmos site? very cool stuff have been playing with it a bit, javascript graphics/ calculation/ symbolic analysis etc
 
I'll be pulling poisson brackets out of my ass
 
vzn
@0celo7 so you have your own harem now? with all the fun that goes with it? :) :P
13 hours ago, by Semiclassical
silly women, what with their emotional intelligence /s
still trying guess SCs gender o_O :P
 
@Semiclassical is definitely a girl
 
vzn
@0celo7 sounds poissonous! o_O :P
@0celo7 what class is the prj for? math? you have 3 other girls in a math class? o_O :P
 
5:35 PM
Well he's doing math and engineering
Girls in math is likelier than engineering
 
vzn
@Slereah have you seen that documented? was not aware. decided to look into it. oh ofc wikipedia has entire long article on it now o_O
Many scholars and policymakers have noted that the fields of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM fields) have been predominantly male occupations, with historically low participation among women, from their origin in the Age of Enlightenment to the present time. STEM professions, like medicine, require higher education or training in nearly all cases. Since the feminist revolution of the 1970s, the opportunities available to men and women in higher education have become broadly similar in most advanced economies. In some countries, such as the United States, 33% more bachelors...
 
vzn
acc to US section statistics table its about â…“ in math and ¼ in engr. different but close )( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_STEM_fields#United_States
 
A data point that may clarify: I do not consider myself to have a great deal of emotional intelligence
 
vzn
@Semiclassical lol fitting right in here + keeping us guessing...
knows at least 3 female math majors... wife of old college friend, coworker, mom :)
 
5:51 PM
@0celo7 Do you have to take humanity classes like is traditional in the US
 
vzn
(oops 2nd thought maybe the coworker was CS, said she wasnt good at math lol... maybe getting her mixed up with her mathematician dad)
 
STEM fields are bullshit anyway
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen o_O typical rabblerousing eh? you are even calling "M" BS?
 
math is absolutely garbage, yes
 
vzn
sigh it seems you have nothing to live for then :( :P
 
5:55 PM
who says i can't live for garbage
 
@BalarkaSen is a noble raccoon
Just like @0celo7
 
vzn
ok thats the spirit. theres a rock band called garbage so why not :|
 
Digging through math garbage
 
please. rat, not raccoon
 
vzn
pictures 0ce + BaSe as dirty homeless dudes with long hair/ unshaven/ + worse... scounging for next meal o_O
 
5:57 PM
Me trying to read some math
 
vzn
what do raccoons have to do with it? ok at least they have opposable thumbs right?
 
maybe i should be a giant beetle instead
much more classy
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen maybe better. reminds me of the story of jung + the beetle :) (oh and also another famous rock band) :)
 
i was thinking about kafka
 
how kafkaesque
 
vzn
6:00 PM
lol just read a kafka quote recently that reminded me a bit of you... forget where, maybe reddit...
 
A good time is had by all
 
beatles suck ass. didn't you hear what quincy jones said?
 
vzn
oh sorry kafka camus got it mixed up. Should I kill myself or have a cup of coffee? The Stoics and Existentialists agree on the answer iainews.iai.tv/articles/… reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/7bnc78/…
 
i havent read camus yet
i hear he is hip
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen not a huge fan of beatles either, like a few songs eg revolution. yeah quincy jones making big headlines with recent interview. he said hes dated ivanka also. did he say something about beatles (same interview)? wondering if he might have been drunk or high... o_O
 
6:05 PM
he said beatles are the worst musicians of the world
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen got to read Stranger in english class, quite subversive, must admit some major affinity for/ identification with the existentialists.
 
i just thought it was funny
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen good to hear you can laugh occasionally :)
 
not that i am a big beatleshead
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen have you read any kafka? it appears the idea his famous story was specifically about a beetle or even an insect is partly a translation assumption that kafka himself disavowed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metamorphosis
 
6:11 PM
i have read the metamorphosis, yes. yeah i know the translation issue
i read wikipedia too
 
vzn
Jan 16 at 18:28, by Balarka Sen
Perhaps. I am not as fluent on my terminology as wikipedia readers
huh browsing thru your old comments. found this one (on physics!). think its a good question. do you still care about the/ an answer?
Apr 27 '17 at 11:08, by Balarka Sen
Hmm. What does electric permittivity measure? I see that if the medium's $\varepsilon$ is greater, Coulomb attraction between two charged particles decrease. Does it measure how much resistance the medium creates against the electric field? That sounds completely contradictory to "permittivity" :P
 
I got an answer
im happy
 
vzn
@BalarkaSen ok. fair enough. think its deeper than you/ others realize. :)
 
post an answer on r/iamverysmart. i'm not going to read it.
 
vzn
Apr 27 '17 at 11:18, by Balarka Sen
@blue I know, I was just asking what all these really measure.
you know that asking what is really measured is really against physics dont you? :P
 
6:24 PM
@0celo7 busy :P
 
Hey @ACuriousMind
 
Heyhey
 
How's life
Happier than a string theorist, I hope?
 
@BalarkaSen Life's pretty good :)
 
Nice
 
6:28 PM
How about you?
 
A little pressed with upcoming exams and schtick. But all in all, not bad. I'm still learning new things
 
Nobody could be happier than a string theorist playing with superconformal ghosts in trees and forests (all technical terms :p)
 
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Schwarzschild down to 4 pages that a typewriting monkey who can solve separable ode's and work with vielbeins could crank out without any thinking
 
@BalarkaSen Ah, good luck for the exams, and may you never stop learning things ;)
 
6:37 PM
Thanks :)
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8:11 PM
^ so that's what "breakthrough" is meant to signify
 
@BalarkaSen I never liked them. I don't get the craze!
 
so back in 2016 i was told here that the number of photons was a lorentz invariant but now I read that it's not? can someone reconcile the accepted answers of physics.stackexchange.com/questions/241522/… and physics.stackexchange.com/questions/21830/… ? they seem to be in conflict with each other to me
 
@no_choice99 What do you think makes one conflict with the other?
 
8:26 PM
@Avantgarde well, they're better than the pop music we hear now so there's that
i think they were far from the worst though but i won't defend them :p
 
@Mithrandir24601 the first link shows that yes, that number is invariant. the 2nd link states that no, it isn't invariant
both answers are utterly highly voted
 
Photon number is a Lorentz invariant
It's not diffeomorphism invariant, though
 
@no_choice99 The first link states that the number of photons is lorentz invariant. The 2nd states that if you put a photon emitter in a rotating (i.e. accelerating) gravitational field, it emits photons. There's nothing weird here - there's a difference between an accelerating particle and one frame moving at a different velocity to another
 
8:43 PM
This paper talks about controlling the direction of flow of thermal noise and building a thermal rectifier. It works in theory but experiments are to be checked
 
9:03 PM
@BalarkaSen Yeah well, a lot of today's pop is bad. But I'd still prefer today's good pop over them.
 
I'm more of a dude in 90's music
The 1790's, that is
 
I can't say they were the worst. Haven't even listened to them that much, so it isn't a fair judgement.
 
Ahahah, hehehe, little brown jug how I love thee!
Oh wait, that one is from the 1860's
 
What is love? Baby don't hurt me.
 
nvm
What's a 1790's song
Yankee doodle?
1780's
close enough
 
9:05 PM
I don't remember the 90s
 
surely a good beethoven
 
Also a few french revolutionary songs
ie
La Marseillaise
A ça ira
La Carmagnole
etc
all great songs
Good songs to behead nobles by
 
@Avantgarde I'd rather have rock music in my pop plate than rap
tbh
 
Love the covers these guys make. Hilarious
 
(Cont.) Perhaps, with the various thermal analogue of circuit elements slowly becoming available, future computer might also be able to use their waste heat as an infomation storage medium and do computation with it
It is kinda amazing despite the restrictions of the 2nd law, we can achieve that level of control of thermal noise
 
@Balarka Doesn't this look like a prog album cover art from the 70s?
 
Hah it truly does
 
ooh by the way, do you know Riverside?
 
oh yeah I forgot this one
@Avantgarde Hm, no I have not heard of them
 
9:17 PM
@BalarkaSen this is gold rap
 
truly
 
@BalarkaSen Modern prog rock/metal. I find their music very dreamy and I like it/
Stuff to listen to before sleep
 
I shall have a look at it
Thanks!
 
Lol! The end of that song haha
Enjoy
 
9:24 PM
@Mithrandir24601 does that mean that the number of photons isn't absolute, but depends on whether the observer is accelerating
 
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