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12:45 AM
What's the logic of Pauli-Lubanski? You want a unitary rep of Lorentz, do this by induced representations, which means fixing the non-compact generators, i.e. translations, and finding reps for only the compact generators, then boost. Since momentum vectors are eigenvectors of the $\hat{P}_{\mu}$'s, you want a rep of the group which fixes the eigenvalues, i.e. the $p_{\mu}$, i.e. those $L \in SO(3,1)^+$ s.t. $p = Lp$ i.e. $p_{\mu} = L_{\mu} \, ^{\nu} p_{\nu}$.
Now the Lie algebra of the little group is full of $\delta$'s s.t. $\delta p = 0$ i.e. $\delta p_{\mu} = \delta \omega_{\mu} \, ^{\nu} p_{\nu} = 0$ which implies $\delta \omega_{\mu \nu} = \varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} \delta V^{\rho} p^{\sigma}$ so that $\delta V^{\rho} = \frac{1}{2} \varepsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} M^{\mu \nu} p^{\sigma}$ which is Pauli-Lubanski and magically it's square is a casimir for massive reps, but, what's going on here in this witchcraft
 
 
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3:10 AM
Coding
I have to refactor some code
 
 
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5:34 AM
@JohnRennie Hey John. I have a question for you.
 
@Tanuj Morning :-)
What's the question?
 
@JohnRennie very good morning
@JohnRennie suppose I'm holding on to a balloon that is moving with some constant velocity upwards. Okay?
 
OK ...
 
And assuming that gravity IS present, when I leave the contact with the balloon, I know that my initial velocity wrt further cases would be taken as the velocity of the balloon.
 
Yes
 
5:38 AM
But my question is, as soon as I leave the contact with the balloon do I start the downward motion at that same instant or do I first move up some more distance before the velocity that the balloon had given me becomes 0?
 
Suppose at the moment you let go of the balloon its velocity is $+v$ (we'll take the upward direction as positive).
That means your velocity is also $+v$. OK so far?
 
Yup
 
Do you know the three SUVAT equations:
$ v = u + at $
$ s = ut + 1/2 at^2 $
$ v^2 = u^2 + 2as $
 
I do.
 
OK, you can use the first equation to find out how your velocity changes with time. Your velocity at the moment you let go of the balloon will be $+u$ (we'll call it u$ because it's your initial velocity).
So after a time $t$ your velocity will be $v = +u - g t $
 
5:45 AM
Yes.
 
Where $g$ is the acceleration due to gravity, and it's negative because it points downwards and we're taking the upward direction to be positive.
 
Got it.
 
So your velocity decreases with time but remains positive until a time given by:
$ v = 0 = +u - gt $
 
So I would actually move some more distance upwards before I start falling actually
 
Correct.
 
5:47 AM
Ah I knew it somewhere
 
To see how far you move upwards you can use either of the other two SUVAT equations.
 
But thanks John. You're a life saver! :)
@JohnRennie how old are you?
 
Old
 
Haha I see you have a good sense of humour
Let me rephrase that. What's your age?
 
5:53 AM
You're a dude! I wish to live a life like yours.
If not better
 
I suspect that few of us end up living the life we expected we would when we were teenagers. The main thing is to enjoy what you're doing and try to have fun
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I just learned a life long lesson. Thanks John.
Learnt*
 
Rennie's Life Lessons
 
Well it's not really a lesson is it?
 
what did you teach him
 
5:58 AM
The point is that you have less control over your life than you think, so sit back and enjoy the ride.
 
Yea too deep
 
(but wear a safety belt :-)
 
You're right I'm just stressing too much.
 
cocaine and hookers are where my life needs to take me
 
I have an exam on April 8th which is kind of make or break for me
 
5:59 AM
@0celo7 Sounds good to me. I could have done that, but I wasted my life instead :-)
@Tanuj which exam? From your questions I'm guessing you're too young to be sitting the JEEE.
 
@JohnRennie yea I know nothing about the subjects tbh I'm not young though
I'm 18
 
that's young
John is 74
 
It's the mental age that matters - 13 in my case.
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@Tanuj BTW did you sort that question on the rotating cylinders?
 
@JohnRennie You should be proud of me. I complained about the lack of physics in my calculus of variations class so I volunteered to teach some physics on Thursday
 
@JohnRennie yes I did.
 
6:03 AM
(we're just doing elliptic PDE and stuff)
 
@JohnRennie brb I'm gonna do some more studying and come back with more doubts.
 
gonna do point particles, SHM, Noether's theorem, and some applications
@JohnRennie I would, but I don't think some of the people have had geometry yet
 
Do you guys also resolve doubts in Mathematics?
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@Tanuj it's always worth asking. At worst all that will happen is that no-one will answer.
 
True.
 
6:05 AM
@JohnRennie Well, the worst is you get a 10 year ban like Ron.
 
Ron worked at that. He put his heart and soul into it :-)
 
Yes, but Ron doesn't have doubts about anything. At least not resolvable ones. He knows everything.
 
I wish I could have met the man
 
@DrSatan1 I did run after it, but those damned things always seem to move faster than I do. I should exercise more.
 
Sid
6:35 AM
@0celo7 10 year ban??!!
 
Sid
..Wow. They sure didn't like this place...
What did they do other than piss the mods off?
 
7:16 AM
@Sid Your question is poorly formed.
The point isn't that he pissed the mods off.
He broke site rules.
 
7:34 AM
hey
 
7:51 AM
@loocsieulb Well, he certainly amused many people. Stack Exchange is a less humorous place in his absence.
 
8:45 AM
@BalarkaSen if I'm taking the collared neighbourhood of some boundary obtained by removing some open set $U$ such that $\partial U$ has some level set function $f$, I can just take part of the tubular neighbourhood to define it, right?
 
Can you elaborate your construction? The words are confusing me.
 
Take some subset $U \subset M$, with boundary $\partial U$ defined by some function $f$ with $f^{-1}(0)$. If I take the tubular neighbourhood $N$ of $\partial U$, is the restriction $N \cap (M \setminus U)$ a collared neighbourhood?
of $\partial U$, that is
 
For sure
 
Good.
Trying to prove the Israel junction condition and I need to jam in the level-set function somehow
 
9:12 AM
Anyone knows if I can construct the stereographic projection of $S^2$ without using a bit of geometry(triangles etc)- a somehow purely algebraic construction. Thanks.
Any references?
 
How do you define the sphere if you're not using geometry
 
Not differential geometry, I mean for the proof, what is the mapping from the manifold to the plain.
An algebraic construction that does not need picturing lines and triangles etc. Am I mistaken here or maybe my phrasing sounds odd? Thanks.
 
The mapping is $$(x,y,z)=\left({\frac {2X}{1+X^{2}+Y^{2}}},{\frac {2Y}{1+X^{2}+Y^{2}}},{\frac {-1+X^{2}+Y^{2}}{1+X^{2}+Y^{2}}}\right)$$
 
You can write down the projection map no problem. It's just school level coordinate geometry.
The answer is what Slereah wrote down
 
:) I know that. But how do I get there without pictures? If I can- if I cannot, OK. I would like to better understand how I could construct it without schemes, just using the relations given by the geometry of the sphere and the plain- it would feel more natural to generalize to higher dimensions.
Maybe what I am saying doesn't make sense?? Tell if it's like that.
 
9:24 AM
The stereographic projection is inherently geometric by definition. It's defined by pictures. You can use the pictures to generalize it to higher dimensions
 
I mean you can show that the square of those three quantities add up to a constant for all values
or is that too geometric
 
AAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhh... :) Really? And so, why am I thinking this over so much?
There is no way of thinking without pictures?
@Slereah Yes, I know. Non-geometric I just meant to use for example the relation for the sphere(x^2 + y^2 +z^2 =1) without even needed to picture it. It's just a relation and with other relations then I could get to the point, no needing of much drawing. Thank, then, both.
 
For higher dimensions the map $f : S^n \setminus \{(0, \cdots, 0, 1)\} \to \Bbb R^{n-1}$ is just defined by $f(x_1, \cdots, x_n) = (x_1/(1 - x_n), \cdots, x_{n-1}/(1-x_n))$
Where $x_1, \cdots, x_n$ are the coordinates on $S^n$ coming from $\Bbb R^{n+1}$, i.e., $x_1^2 + \cdots + x_n^2 = 1$
The final formula can be defined totally symbolically
So I do not understand your question at all
 
$$({\frac {2X}{1+X^{2}+Y^{2}}})^2 + ({\frac {2Y}{1+X^{2}+Y^{2}}})^2 + ({\frac {-1+X^{2}+Y^{2}}{1+X^{2}+Y^{2}}})^2 = {\frac {4X^2 + 4Y^2 + (-1+X^{2}+Y^{2})^2}{(1+X^{2}+Y^{2})^2}}$$
Just expand it all and it should be $1$
 
9:40 AM
Thanks guys, I get what you mean, really. I'll try to rephrase just for the sake of saving any possible meaning from the question: at first, I thought that I could define the map as that, check that the two charts for N and S poles, do define a structure and then it would be OK. Then I thought, if there is a way to deduce the mapping from certain relations without the need of thinking about the line that passes through the sphere and the plane and certainly without ever thinking of triangles.
But I get it, the whole point is that it is defined this way.
@BalarkaSen To put it differently, can I deduce fully symbolically the map from S^2 --> R^2 ?
 
What does "deduce" mean? Deduce from what? I wrote down the formula for the map in general
For a deduction you need to set premises and definitions. How do you define the stereographic projection, if not geometrically? I proposed a definition which does not involve geometry
Namely, write $f(x, y, z) = (x/(1 - z), y/(1 - z))$
What do you want to deduce from this? It's already a symbolic definition
 
Thanks. That's what I' saying. But, could I add a positive number to the above mapping, or multiply it by a positive number and still get a projection?
 
I think if you want to get a different radius you just replace $1$ with $r$
 
And so I get a family of projections.
Or is the map somehow defined, unique?
Anyway, thanks. Good day to all.
 
 
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12:05 PM
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1:06 PM
Rain again
 
@BalarkaSen not good
 
redflannel/10
 
1:22 PM
Halp
I'm running out of letters
Time to go with $h$ for a function
 
@Sid It's important to clarify that elected site moderators cannot impose ten-year suspensions; the longest they can apply (source, source) is one year. The ten-year suspensions are normally imposed by SE community managers and only in pretty exceptional circumstances.
this is odd, though
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"No, you cannot delete an account that's been suspended for ten years", pointing to.... an account that has since been deleted.
 
1:43 PM
@EmilioPisanty That's like mounting heads at the city gate...
 
@0celo7 what is?
 
@BalarkaSen what's the actual relation between the level set and the embedding of the tubular neighbourhood?
It's apparently $f(x,t) = x + t d\phi$ in $\Bbb R^n$
but I'm having trouble finding one for manifolds
Wall seems to imply you need to define a Riemannian metric?
 
2:01 PM
@EmilioPisanty not allowing banned accounts to be deleted
I find the stack exchange criminal justice system to be very medieval
 
I want to say that it should be $f(p,t) = \Phi_t(d\phi, p)$
But that is pure conjecture
Flow by $t$ and the vector field $d\phi$
 
@Slereah I will look later when I’m not in class
 
Aight
thanks
 
2:30 PM
Where is @ACuriousMind
He’s an absentee landlord
Röööööö
 
2:50 PM
@0celo7 well, the given answers do have a point
(though it's not clear that you can't keep that data for mods and publicly remove the account, either)
 
@Slereah what exactly is the doubt?
something about tubular neighborhoods and flows?
 
3:15 PM
I've got some level-set submanifold defined by $\phi : M \to \Bbb R$
which defines the normal bundle of a tubular neighbourhood
But I don't know what is its relation with the embedding of the tubular neighbourhood, $$f : \Bbb R \times S \to M$$
(My bundle's trivial because it's cool)
How to define the function $f$ from $\phi$
 
@EmilioPisanty What all does your saddle-point interest group have in mind to cover? There's not a small amount of ground there.
 
god dammit
I hate geometric measure theory
 
I suspect the flow by $d\phi$, since it's the case in $\Bbb R^n$
 
I think this is actually an error
I don't see why $\mathcal L^n\{x:u(x)>t\}$ should be continuous for a non-Morse function
$u$ being constant in an open set causes havoc
 
@Slereah Look, there are three things flying around. If $S \subset M$ is a submanifold there is (1) a tubular/$\epsilon$-neighborhood, which is a neighborhood of $S$ inside $M^n$ (if you have a Riemannian metric just define it to be points in $M$ which are $\epsilon$-away from $S$) (2) a normal bundle, which is a bundle $NS$ over $S$ such that $NS \oplus TS \cong \underline{\Bbb R^n}$ and (3) a function $\phi : M \to \Bbb R$ such that $\phi^{-1}(0) = S$.
(1) and (2) are equivalent objects; that's the content of the tubular neighborhood theorem
If you have a function $\phi$ in (3), $d\phi : TM \to T\Bbb R$ be the differential. Consider the kernel of $d\phi$. That's $NS$.
OK, out for now
 
3:25 PM
What if I ain't got a Riemannian metric, though
what are you trying to draw, Hirsch
I guess what I need is the construction of $f$ from the bundle
Let's see how that works in the proof
 
I understand that position eigenstates are delta functions but experimentally you will measure position with limited accuracy hence it follows that the actual quantum state you get is a superposition of these ideal position eigenstates or do you get a mixed state corresponding to these eigenstates?
 
@Semiclassical I've got a free rein in terms of what to cover
I'm going to give a refresher course on complex analysis for one or two sessions
 
you don't actually get position eigenstates, experimentally
 
then the basics of saddle points and steepest descent
then applications to HHG
 
@Slereah Yes that's what I am saying. But what do you get, a superposition of eigenstates or a mixture of eigenstates?
 
3:40 PM
then, depending on time, uniform approximations and a taster on diffraction catastrophes
 
Well single-particle states will be a superposition of eigenstates
 
Something of the form $$\psi(x) = \int \tilde \psi(x) |x\rangle dx$$
 
@Slereah stop hurting me
 
Well I don't really want to do it with the bloody Gel'fand triple
Hm
If my manifold isn't Riemannian, can I use the tubular neighbourhood theorem
There seems to be a semi-Riemannian version
well, some theorem related to tubular neighbourhood
 
3:52 PM
@JohnRennie Nitpicky comment about your profile text: the internet was around in the eighties, the web was not. Not that many people care about the difference unless they actually used the thing in the pre-web era (I did, but only a little).
gopher is so much more convenient than ftp.
::uncomfortable giggle::
 
though I think in my case, since the hypersurface is timelike, all the normal bundle stuff will be spacelike
 
@EmilioPisanty As of right now we don't have any tool for looking at user information other than user pages (our just show some info and tools that aren't shown to most users).
 
@dmckee I'm a bit puzzled on why the user account was removed if the initial determination was to keep it
emphasis on "bit" though
 
But I did just notice that we can now see what questions are associated with a deleted account. That's new.
In looking at the question that went with the deleted account I'm guessing that user was young. Maybe they took the advice in that thread, negotiated with the team and got a reprieve?
 
@dmckee yeah, that's a fair guess
@dmckee though honestly that's doable with a google query
unless that's showing you deleted questions
 
3:58 PM
@Sid You dpon't get a > 1year suspension easily. A StackExchange employee has to step in. Same thing for network-wide suspensions.
A long suspension means that site mods ran out of options and escalated to the team.
A network wide suspension means that the user came to the attention of the team and was in conflict on more than a few sites.
 
@Slereah yes
 
@EmilioPisanty Yeah, I can see both through the user page, though in this instance I don't learn anything from the deleted one that you can't see from the others.
 
hmmm
"If we model hydrogen as a spineless [sic] electron in a spherically symmetric Coloumb potential"
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that electron, what a wimp
(that's from an answer. a minor typo but a fun one)
 
So I'm guessing the embedding should just be $f(t, p)$ being the point $q$ at $d(p,q) = t$ of the point $p$ on $S$?
For the distance defined by the spacelike hypersurface $\Sigma_t \ni p$
 
@Slereah Hi. May I ask you something regarding my confusion earlier, about the stereographic projection? It won't bother you long.
 
4:04 PM
@EmilioPisanty What are your thoughts on upright Greek capital letters vs. italic?
 
I like using capital letters, Greek or otherwise, when doing separation of variables
e.g. $f(r,\theta,\phi)=R(r)\Theta(\theta)\Phi(\phi)$
 
If I have the map f(x,y,z)=(x/1-z , y/1-z), defined to be the projection, can I just find the reverse function without having pictures? Do I have to exchange the z variable with something?
Thanks anyway.
 
sure
Just solve $X = x/(1-z)$ etc
 
@Slereah You can still do it without a metric.
 
@Slereah Is the density matrix in any basis of a pure state represented by a matrix with $1$ on the diagonal and zero everywhere else?
 
4:29 PM
@BalarkaSen what is the explicit formula for the embedding tho then
 
You're essentially asking for a proof of tubular neighborhood theorem...
 
Like say I have the level set function $\phi(r, \theta) = r -a$
The proofs I've seen seem to use the riemannian metric
 
Maybe that's a fair point. I don't know a proof which does not use the Riemannian metric
Does Hirsch use one?
 
Lee
Although he does it for embeddings, nvm.
 
That's probably fine
I only need the metric on thenormal bundle, right?
It's all Riemannian there
 
4:43 PM
You can define the normal bundle without a Riemannian metric
$NS := TM|_S/TS$
10/10 notation
 
Yeah but I need the metric for the tubes no?
At least for most proofs
 
yeah the simplest proof i know uses a metric
it can prolly be done without a metric
 
As long as I only need the metric to act on NS I'm golden
Worst case scenario I can also define a metric on top of the Lorentz metric but that's bogus
 
Your imposed metric need not in any way be canonical for the proof of tubular nbhd theorem to work
You can do that fine
Just impose a random ass metric near $S$
 
Yeah but afterward, I need to do real calculations with it
So if everything is as simple as possible that would be nice
 
4:53 PM
i see
 
It will just be embedded in Minkowski space so should be alright
 
@0celo7 I'm tempted to say the upright $\Sigma$ looks better but you shouldn't toy with the variables-go-on-italics convention without a good reason
or maybe keep it for lowercase greek but ditch it for uppercase?
 
I'll write Σ thank you very much
 
mind you, I don't know how to distinguish between upright and slanted $\sigma$s
 
$\textit{Σ}$
 
4:59 PM
@BalarkaSen I notice that your plain-tex-ed $\Sigma$ was put in upright by default
 
Yeah
 
\textit{Σ} isn't even TeX
 
I expected it to look different
 
fuck me it's cold
 
Also I'll write $\large{Σ}$ instead of $\sum$
Not bad actually
$\huge{\textit{Σ}}_{i = 1}^n a_i$
Aw yis
MS word emulator in TeX
 
5:03 PM
The expression for the coordinate chart of the junction of two manifolds includes both the gluing function and the tubular neigh. embedding
Which is pleasant
it's not trivial to show from the usual handwaving arguments of thin shell spacetimes
 
@Emillio I'm throwing triggering TeX codes in your general direction
I expect - nay, demand - a response
 
if you want to trigger @0celo7 just write $dx$
 
$\textit{dx}$ meh
 
Or is it $\operatorname{d}x$
I forget
 
oh yeah its the upright thing that triggers him
 
5:07 PM
The little group of massless particles is $SO(2)$, which is abelian so irreps are 1-dimensional, and the generators is $J_z$, so we call the eigenvalue of $J_z$ the helicity of the particle, but why is it quantized? You can't use $J_x, J_y$ operators to prove it, need that $SL(2,C)$ is the double cover of Lorentz for some reason...
 
$\subset \!\!\! \lvert x$
@0celo7
 
@bolbteppa Isn't it the worse one
$ISO(2)$ or something
 
Yeah but you can prove you can ignore the other bits for this point, Maggiore does it
 
Can you ignore it, or are you
PURPOSEFULLY IGNORING THEM
(The continuous spin representations)
 
hmm
I skimmed the small text tbh heh
Wigner's paper is crazy old notation
 
5:11 PM
I have a proof of it somewhere in a susy book
Ah, there it is
 
Perfect, what book
 
The algebra of the little group is $[M, T_1] = T_2$, $[M, T_2] = - T_1$ and $[T_1, T_2] = 0$, but it reduces to $SO(2)$ if you assume $T_1 = T_2$
And if you do not, you get the worst representation
The continuous spin representation
 
Yeah
'These representations do not so far find physical applications'
 
probably never, too
They're pretty bad
they're not finite dimensional, for a start
 
So you have irreps of abelian $\mathrm{SO}(2)$ being 1-d, and $J_z$ generating, it's eigenvalue $h$ being called helicity, only issue is you can't prove the eigenvalue is discrete $0,\frac{1}{2},1,\dots$ the usual way with $J_{\pm}$ operators because they don't exist, kick in the face basically
'there is a topological proof that $h$ is quantized based on $\mathrm{SL}(2,\mathbb{C})$'
 
5:18 PM
oh no
 
Oh wait
Weinberg says it in a sentence on page 90
 
"The factor $\exp(4 \pi i \sigma)$ must be unity"?
 
A $\mathrm{U}(1)$ rotation of the little group is represented by $e^{i h \theta}$, and $\mathrm{SL}(2,\mathbb{C})$ is a double cover so 'a rotation by an angle $4 \pi$ around the momentum can be continuously deformed into no rotation at all, so the factor $\exp(4 \pi i h)$ must be unity, and hence $h$ must be an integer or half-integer.'
Why can't that prove all spin is quantized
$\mathrm{SU}(2)$ is the double cover of the little group $\mathrm{SO}(3)$ of massless particles, and so blah
Thank god
 
@BalarkaSen nope.
 
For $SO(2)$ you only have the $J_3$ operator can you only write $e^{i J_3 \theta} |h> = e^{i h \theta}|h>$ and then the double cover argument means $e^{i4 \pi h} = 1$ so that $h \in \frac{1}{2} \mathbb{N}$, while for $SO(3)$ you have to work with $e^{iJ_{\pm} \cdot \chi_{\pm} + i J_3 \theta}$ stuff so you can't just assume it's a half-integer/integer
 
5:34 PM
Sounds reasonable yeah
 
The $ISO(2)$ thing in Maggiore is not so bad, gets it in a few lines, then shows the non-$J_z$ lie algebra generators are Hermitian which means their lie group operators are unitary so they have continuous eigenvalues and this leads to continuous helicity, so it's like a choice to make it discrete in a sense, hmm
 
it's pretty hard to find good infos on those btw
there's like maybe 5 papers on the topic
they're bad QFTs tho
 
5:50 PM
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continuous reps, continuous spectra, no idea why they are so bad yet
 
Where’s an Italian when you need him
 
@bolbteppa IIRC they're not causal
Also you have a weird thing where the vacuum has infinite heat capacity
though really almost no rep is causal in QFT
Just spin 0, 1/2, 1 and 2
And whatever weird stacking you can do in string theory
 
6:07 PM
Hi all, I have a question about the Kramers-Wannier duality
 
@user55789 then you should probably say what the question is
 
Sorry I'm TA and I'm in the middle of surveilling an exam :P
 
Had to guide somebody to toilet anyway
 
hah
I looked at K-W duality a few years back, so I probably can't tell you anything you don't already know
 
6:10 PM
So my question is, I understand the math behind the KW duality, no problem there, but I'm a bit confused about its role in Onsager's derivation of the 2d model
 
Ah. Yeah, that'll definitely exceed what I vaguely remember :P
but you should write it out regardless
 
:-)
So my understanding of it now is that KW kills two birds with one stone, the two dimensional lattice is related to the one-dimensional chain through the geometrical argument of the dual lattice
 
@Slereah my mental calculus right now: on the one hand, I'm hungry and I forgot to grab my lunch this morning. on th eother hand, it's 12 degrees outside
Am I willing to walk to get lunch?
 
So surely the reformulated form of the transfer matrix is more convenient, and no longer has the extra dimension, so all is fine there
 
I feel like causality can be ignored and everything will be fine for now :p
 
6:14 PM
But I don't see why it would be necessary to reexponentiate in terms of $\theta$ rather than say, just $\beta\epsilon$, given that $\tanh\theta = e^{-2\beta\epsilon}$ and the partition function has coefficients $\epsilon$ in front of the terms in the Hamiltonian:
$$
H = -\epsilon\sum S_i S_{i+1} - \epsilon \sum S_i S'_i
$$
 
@bolbteppa Causality ain't a problem for any spin < 1
 
where I have omitted the magnetic field term for simplicity and the prime denotes the links between rows
 
Here's the tortured logic, so we know irreps of abelian $SO(2)$ are 1-d, we know casimirs provide irreps, but in the massless case $P^2$ and $W^2$ are no longer casimirs, however you can't just set $m = 0$ in $W^2$ to show it's $0$ you need to do the $ISO(2)$ proof, and then you still use $W^2 = 0$ to prove that $h = p \cdot J$, which makes sense to use since you're working with irreps, but god
 
So in the transfer matrix method this is reformulated to, say,
$$
P = V_2 V_1
$$
where
$$
V_2 = \prod \exp\left(\beta\epsilon \sigma^z_i \sigma^z_{i+1}\right)
$$ and
$$
V'_1 = \prod \exp\left(\beta\epsilon s_i s_i'\right)
$$
 
From memory idk if that's the point of Kramer-Wannier
 
6:19 PM
The KW argument seems to imply
$$
V'_1 = \prod \exp\left(\beta\epsilon s_i s_i'\right) = \prod \begin{bmatrix} \exp(\beta\epsilon) & \exp(-\beta\epsilon) \\ \exp(-\beta\epsilon) & \exp(\beta\epsilon) \end{bmatrix} = \prod\left(\cosh \beta\epsilon + \sinh \beta\epsilon \sigma^x\right)
$$
@bolbteppa well, precisely my confusion. I'm just not sure where KW jumps in
 
iirc KW arises by considering two different ways of summing the partition function, and then using an argument about the critical point to link both expansions, giving the critical point pretty fast, e.g. topo-houches.pks.mpg.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/… but it's not really about the steps in either way of setting up the problem
 
my recollection about KW really is that it's used for getting the critical temperature, yeah
But that doesn't forbid it being useful beyond that
 
Ah ok
 
I just don't remember enough about KW to say more
 
Yeah apparently it comes up in strings in some form
I have an insane write up of the basic 2d ising, this stuff is terrifying
 
6:26 PM
Idk it's not terribly hard per se, but it's just a lot
 
Onsager's paper is something else
 
the stuff I got interested in a while back was the reformulation of the 2D ising problem into Toeplitz determinant stuff
which is cool but hard
 
It comes up implicitly in some versions of the solution alright
 
(If you want details for that, see this review: arxiv.org/abs/1207.4990)
 
6:28 PM
LanLif one is pretty good, so is Feynman's
 
Looks wonderful but a lot more complicated than Huang's derivation :p
Which I think is based on Kaufmann (?)
 
Huang is pretty close to these irrc
 
they actually discuss Kaufmann's contributions in that paper
so you might find at least the historical parts of that interesting
 
The combinatorial steps are just a problem, and then the very end of the Landau solution with that crazy matrix is just too much, had to use mathematica for it
 
I have 15 minutes so a history lesson may not be appropriate but I'll try to stretch it :-)
 
6:31 PM
hey @ACuriousMind @DavidZ @other-mods look who's back physics.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/205616
 
My write up of Ising is only like 4 pages, hmm, maybe I am whining
 
there's a lot of math there, but if you set that aside and just look at the historical parts it's fine
 
actually, no, there's more, there's an answer as well
 
"The Ising model considers the partition function
\begin{align}
Z' &= \sum e^{-H/T} = \sum_{\mathbf{S}} e^{-\beta (- \sum_{i,j} J_{ij}(\frac{1}{4} + \mathbf{S}_i \cdot \mathbf{S}_j)} = \sum_{\mathbf{S}} e^{\beta \sum_{i,j} J_{ij}\frac{1}{4}} e^{ \beta \sum_{i,j} J_{ij} \mathbf{S}_i \cdot \mathbf{S}_j} \\
&= e^{\beta \sum_{i,j} J_{ij}\frac{1}{4}} \sum_{\mathbf{S}} e^{ \beta \sum_{i,j} J_{ij} \mathbf{S}_i \cdot \mathbf{S}_j} = A \sum_{\mathbf{S}} e^{ \beta \sum_{i,j} J_{ij} \mathbf{S}_i \cdot \mathbf{S}_j}
You can even derive
$$\hat{V}_{ex} = - \frac{1}{2}\sum_{i<j} J_{ij}(1 - 4 \mathbf{S}_i \cdot \mathbf{S}_j) = - \sum_{i<j} J_{ij}(\frac{1}{2} + 2 \mathbf{S}_i \cdot \mathbf{S}_j) = - \sum_{i,j} J_{ij}(\frac{1}{4} + \mathbf{S}_i \cdot \mathbf{S}_j).$$
from general principles, 'exchange interaction', i.e. where the Ising hamiltonian comes from in the first place, in a way that motivates the other models
 
6:35 PM
Eh, basically this is supposed to be an extension on what was already derived in class, we did the 1d ising model through a more tedious method than transfer matrices
So I wanted to do that, perhaps KW duality and a general scheme of solving 2D
 
You can get the Ising critical point for 1 and 2D models really fast with renormalization
 
I understand what's happening in Huang and a part of Baxter (although the notation is a bit tedious for me)
 
6:50 PM
Write up based on Huang apparently
The elliptic stuff was too much in the original paper
 
Ah 1d Ising
When it was still fun :D
 
7:28 PM
@user55789 you might look up McCoy's "Advanced Stat Mech" book as well
the later chapters have a lot of material about exactly solvable models and the 2D Ising especially
 
 
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10:24 PM
@Slereah yo
did u ever figure out that analytic solution of the KG thing
 
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