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7:02 PM
On the other hand, to split a space into tensor components, you need a basis $v_{ij}, i\in I, j\in J$ labeled by two indices, and then it's the tensor product of two spaces with the cardinality of $I$ and $J$. However, these spaces are not subspaces of the total space. The state space of a single particle is not a subspace of that of a two-particle system. It is a bit confusing that the physical notion of "subsystem" does not conform to the mathematical notion of subspace.
 
(for instance, if you bracketed an original question with "lol answer my question you ****s" I think that would be grounds for closure by itself)
 
@enumaris I'm not familiar with it, but I don't imagine it would be too hard to pick up. I figure that working on a RL lib would get me up to speed with what you mean by sparse RL
 
@danielunderwood I also have another project I'm working on but my app coder ghosted me for some reason...that one is currently stalled...but that one involves collaborative filtering. It's also the only project I'm working on that I would hope actually makes money...but I haven't done a market study for it yet or anything like that...
pytorch is pretty cool...in many ways I think it's better than tensorflow
 
@ACuriousMind (I mean, you do have an isomorphism from $|\psi\rangle \mapsto |\psi\rangle \otimes |\phi\rangle$ where $|\phi\rangle$ is some particular state of a second particle.)
 
its graph generation is dynamic rather than static
but it doesn't have a pretty wrapper like Keras which is my most used lib
 
7:07 PM
@Semiclassical Yes, but there is no canonical choice for that second state, in contrast to the direct sum, where you can canonically add the zero vector of the second space.
 
right
 
To speak of one space as a natural subspace of the other I expect the isomorphism to be canonical
 
that's fair
I mean, if you can actually measure the second particle and take its state as fixed, then it's a bit different
but clearly that's a different matter than the state space of the first particle if you know nothing about the second
 
are apocrypha not accepted in academia?
 
context?
 
7:11 PM
it's a play on the word "canonical"
 
canon vs apocrypha
I prefer my isomorphisms apocryphal
 
the trouble with that analogy is that apocryphal is more like "almost canonical"
someone had to treat it as canon for a while in order for its later rejection to be relevant
(a properly 'apocryphal' identification would presumably be one which is canonical in some contexts but not in otehrs)
 
indeed
maybe the form of the Hamiltonian is almost preserved :P
@danielunderwood also I said "sparse rewards" not "sparse RL" :P
 
well, arguably the mapping I just gave would be an example of that
It's canonical in the context of "I measured particle 2 and I know it's in state $|\phi\rangle$"
but otherwise not
 
7:19 PM
@Semiclassical call it an "Apocryphal transformation" then, sounds fun to me :D
 
works for me
 
woot
 
now we just need to figure out what a heretical transformation would be
 
I've contributed to the lingo
$\tilde{H}=pq+L$
Heretical transformation
 
@enumaris I'll have to check it out. I like being able to do anything in tf, but it's a bit of a pain to use compared to keras. Collaborative filtering sounds interesting too since evidently it's used in recommender systems? Though pretty much all of ML is interesting to me at this point. I feel kind of like when I started physics and had no in-depth knowledge of any particular field
 
7:25 PM
yeah
Collaborative filtering is one subset of recommender systems
that project would involve app coding tho...like more pure software engineering focused for the front end. The back end is ML.
 
Trying to figure out some simple proofs of the following. Suppose I entangle two spin-s particles in a singlet state, and I measure their spin components $S_{1a}$, $S_{2b}$ along two perpendicular axes $a,b$. Then $\langle S_{1a}S_{2b}\rangle =0$.
The simplest proof is to rotate both systems by 180 degrees about the a-axis. This leaves a unchanged but maps $b\mapsto -b$. The rotational invariance of the singlet state then ensures $\langle S_{1a}S_{2b}\rangle =\langle S_{1a}S_{2(-b)}\rangle = -\langle S_{1a}S_{2b}\rangle =0$
That's a good proof, but (for the purposes of conversation with someone else) I'd prefer to have some others
Best I've come up with so far is to use rotational invariance to restrict to the case $\langle S_{1z}S_{2x}\rangle$ without loss of generality
And then argue that $S_{1z}S_{2x}$ sends the singlet state into the triplet state, so that $\langle 0 0 | (S_{1z}S_{2x}|00\rangle)=0$
But it'd be better if I could directly argue that $S_{1a}S_{2b}|00\rangle$ is a triplet state
 
What's better as a windows package, proTeX or MiKTeX? If anyone knows somethign about them
Considering I'm new to the TeX world I might stick with MikTeX hopefully it's simpler to use
Hmm Nvm
 
7:44 PM
(hmm, what I want to argue isn't that $S_{1a}S_{2b}|00\rangle$ is a triplet state, but that it contains nothing from the singlet state. so that's not great.)
 
7:56 PM
@enumaris yeah plain software is certainly less interesting to me than ML. And my frontend work is certainly function over form
 
8:16 PM
Not so much quantum lifeforms that we discussed some months ago, but close enough
 
vzn
@enumaris great idea but how about something more substantial? ie video games? can/ want to contribute if you go that direction :)
 
I wonder how entanglement will shape the behaviour of bacterial like life?
In other news, the triple loophole closing experiment in this week's new scientist is an enjoyable read especially the section where their device keep get screwed by storms and the researchers continue to persists until successful
That's a very motivating take of the human virtues of scientists
 
8:34 PM
In case any of you guys think you have a good holiday idea, trying to make a cranberry sauce latte just gets you a bunch of curdled milk :(
 
8:49 PM
@vzn the RL library I'm working on, if I build it right, should be able to handle video games as long as you give it a reward signal
@danielunderwood acids and bases shouldn't mix lol
also why you don't put lemon into your milktea
 
Yeah I should have known. I don't really use cranberries enough to think acid when using them
I made some cranberry sauce that came out a bit syrupy and wanted a coffee, so I was like hmmm
 
maybe we should set up a repo for the RL library on github...
I don't have too much contributions to it yet though tbh
the way I work is like first I want to try to get a minimial working example
and I'm not quite there yet (due to bugs) lol
 
Well just don't write bugs of course!
 
lol
I've diagnosed it a bit and I'm not able to find the bug yet
 
I have a subscription and can set up a private repo if you need it
 
8:53 PM
I think it's probably less a computer coding bug and more a I messed up the mathematical formulation kind of bug
do you need to pay to set up private repos?
was that always the case or was that cus Microsoft bought it...
 
Or a "the function didn't do the mathematical function you expected"
 
What do they mean here exactly by crystal lattice? Do they just mean the potential function, which has flipped, due to the reversal of the magnetic field? And why do they mention vibrational energy?
I don’t really see understand the difference between the short- en long-time scales, except that I do understand that in the short-time scale scenario, we can think of our system as a paramagnet, without having to take into consideration other things. Could someone clarify? (if my question makes sense:d)
 
@danielunderwood also possible
 
You have to have a subscription to use private repos, but you can set up as many as you want and add other users if you have one
 
8:55 PM
I see...
 
I had one of those situations in numpy earlier. I had no idea what was going on
 
so I've built out a set of function approximators since I'm only doing non-tabular RL
and I'm building out a policy gradient learner
but so far it's not learning
the weights are diverging
that's kinda where I'm stuck atm
 
Subscription is only $7 a month though, so it isn't terrible
 
I see..
I stopped working on it for a while cus I was playing CSGO lol
 
Any chance a sign error could be causing it to increment the wrong way?
 
8:58 PM
I think I'll get back into it this week or something
@danielunderwood always possible, but I've tried both signs in the obvious places and neither sign works so...
but in fact, I'm not 100% sure that theoretically that's not what should happen
because I'm implementing a very simplified version of policy gradient right now
without a lot of the modifications that are recommended to "make it work right"
all the reward signals are positive so I'm not sure the theoretical direction of the weights wouldn't always just be to increase
it could be that I need to use a baseline or something for the algorithm to be stable...but I didn't see that as a "hard requirement" in the RL book so I didn't implement it
 
vzn
@enumaris open AI is deep into video games, if you work in them more it could be a strategy to open the door more there. you can work on low level or high level, and low level is increasingly well understood, but deep learning is starting to run into inherent limitations at the low level. high(er) level is where the core innovation has to happen in intermediate future for meaningful advances... "determining reward signals" (vs "merely" assuming them!) is going to be a big deal...
 
Ahh I'm not sure how the RL algos learn, but I'll try to take a look at that book after I get some other stuff done
 
it's a good book :D
welp, another interview scheduled for 7am next week...
kinda painful but w/e
I need to find some more opportunities now that openai and HRT have rejected me though
 
just create your own company...closedai
 
9:12 PM
funky...two recruiters from 2 different companies with the same last name just connected with me on linkedin lol
sisters that look out for each other? o.O
I could do like A.I. consulting of some sort I suppose...but setting that up is a whole other can of worms...
I'm not really into sales side though...like finding clients and stuff like that is not really what interests me that much
 
Sounds like looking for a job, but all the time
 
pretty much lol
I mean the perks is kinda that you get to be your own boss
depending on how much one client really means to you
 
vzn
@enumaris hudson river trading?
 
yep
they be like "nah, we good"
2 others are progressing to 2nd round interviews
 
vzn
dream job working on algorithmic trading, get rich quick! stop working ASAP :)
 
9:20 PM
I asked them about the Efficient Market Hypothesis
 
vzn
@enumaris have you seen the simons interview(s)? great stuff
 
but I guess I bombed the technical problem too badly to get a second interview with them lol
I have not
 
vzn
@enumaris was looking at their web site, feels strange combination an algorithmic trading company emphasizing their ethics! :o
 
it's an interesting company
 
vzn
@enumaris in what way(s)
 
9:23 PM
fintech in general is pretty interesting lol
Obviously these companies don't believe in the EMH
 
vzn
@enumaris simons started out with exactly the same question... he outlines his "evolved" thinking...
 
by their explanation, it seems to me an implication is that they should be doing very short term trading
like on the level of hourly trading
 
vzn
algorithmic trading works at all timescales but yeah most are short term focused for higher profits/ time
 
because their explanation was on the level of information asymmetry...which suggests to me that they think the market has some sort of natural relaxation time to it's efficient value which would be shorter the more information is more easily broadcast
so in the internet era...I would expect the relaxation time to be quite short - hence the hourly trading
but maybe economic actors are not rational either
in which case the market might never relax to its efficient values
 
vzn
@enumaris EMH is an important theory but in practice only reveals why its so hard to make any "edge".
 
9:26 PM
but the way they explained it to me is information asymmetry so that's the way I'm going with it
 
@enumaris "maybe"? Have you met humans? :P
 
@ACuriousMind I've met my mathematical model of humans...that model is roughly rational :P
 
vzn
@enumaris HRT explained it in terms of info asymmetry?
 
my interviewer did
 
@enumaris Ah, yes. Call me back when your spherical cows start giving milk
 
9:27 PM
he explained what they wanted to do as "realizing the value" in their set of information
 
vzn
moo
 
@ACuriousMind I tried to find udders to milk...unfortunately there's no udders on a sphere...this is something I am currently working on in v2
 
vzn
@enumaris "info asymmetry" is not a bad summary, but notice theres an analytical asymmetry. intelligent agents have different analytical capabilities (even given identical info).
 
true
I modeled geometric brownian motion as part of a quarter end project in Stochastic mech
at the level of EMH, that's what an efficient but steadily growing market should be represented as
 
vzn
have been fascinated with/ investigating random walk theory myself for many yrs now. it was part of einsteins nobel...
 
9:30 PM
geometric brownian motion has no potential to be predicted though
 
@enumaris Clearly a "Cow 2.0" is just a horse.
 
possible
 
vzn
moo 2
 
Have you tried modeling humans as roughly doing the opposite of what they should do?
 
or maybe not...a brownian motion is Markovian...it's not white noise......maybe there's some way to change that Markovian nature into some MDP for a RL agent :D
 
vzn
9:32 PM
@danielunderwood (lol brings to mind famous quote of Churchill)
 
hmmm
nah probably not, I think the Markovian piece just makes sure that the position is continuous and not infinitely discontinuous...
but which direction it moves is basically white noise
although...geometric brownian motion has some inherent upward trend to it so...uhhhh...
I shoulda asked these questions to my stochastic mech prof lol
 
blocked
 
Wonderful! I think I finally get it. Gonna re-read the whole thing again and get back to you in case im drowning again :P
Thanks a lot again!
 
You aren't allowed to see quotes at work
 
9:39 PM
apparently that's the case
lol
 
9:50 PM
"Thank for your interest. I would encourage you to apply for the position. You can find a link to the application on the advert page."
Well that's the most positive so far
The application requires a "merit" which I assume is a mention in French
Which I did not have
Hopefully it will pass anyway
 
looks like attention GAN was built this year
dam! Only a couple months late to the party!
 
Sounds like the next version is coming in 2019!
since 16-18 are covered
 
@ACuriousMind One bit Im still confused about is that the $H_\text{tot} = \bigoplus_{i = 1}^\infty \left( H_1^{\otimes i} \right)$ and not just $H_\text{tot} = H_1 \otimes H_2 \otimes ... H_n$? The former looks like how we write superpositions of kets (of two body system for instance)
 
The first one is a Foch space, the second one is an $n$-particle Hilbert space
 
@user929304 In words, it says that the space of all photon states is the one-photon space plus the two-photon space plus the three-photon space etc.
 
10:00 PM
You can only have $n$ particles
Never fewer
The Foch space allows you to have differing particle numbers
Which is what happens in QFT
 
@ACuriousMind ahhh right, I see :) so this is in particular for the space of all photon states, had we just had a two photons problem, the state space would have simply been the H_1 \otimes H_2 (the two body Hilbert space) I guess
 
Indeed
 
(up to symmetrization)
 
@Slereah thanks :)
@ACuriousMind neat neat neat, now im gonna go re-read the whole thing again :P
 
If you didn't have the Foch space you couldn't have like initially no photons and then eventually one photon
Couldn't radiate
 
10:10 PM
@Slereah Ah, yes, of course I have simplified by omitting the symmetry constraints real bosons/fermions obey
 
@ACuriousMind from actual calculation pov, if I have two sets $\{1,3,5\}$ and $\{0,2,4\}$ then their direct sum would yield $\{0,1,2,3,4,5\}$ whereas their tensor product would yield $\{(1,0), (1,2), (1,4), (3,0), (3,2), (3,4), (5,0), (5,2), (5,4)\}$, right?
 
@user929304 There's no such thing as a direct sum or tensor product of sets.
They are algebraic operations that work on vector spaces, not mere sets.
 
@ACuriousMind oh! ok, can we write a dummy example just to highlight the operational difference between the two?
 
Direct sum is on vector spaces
Direct sum is basically a tuple of the vector space
 
There is actually a certain (and some may say deeper) truth to your statement, in that the disjoint union of sets shares certain categorial properties with the direct sum of vector spaces and that the Cartesian product of sets shares categorial properties with the tensor product of vector spaces
 
10:18 PM
If you have a vector space $X$ and $Y$, the direct sum is a vector space made of the tuples $(x, y)$, $x \in X$, $y \in Y$
 
But at this point that's just confusing, especially since the underlying set of the direct sum of vector spaces is the same as the Cartesian product of the underlying sets.
 
and then you have a bunch of properties linking the vector properties of $X$, $Y$ and $X + Y$
yeah the big difference is more how the operators of the vector space act on that tuple
 
@user929304 But anyway, examples: The space of three dimensional vectors is the direct sum of the space of vectors in the x-y place (a 2d subspace) and the z-axis (a 1d subspace).
 
right, but i guess it was more coincidental about the deeper truth :) @ACuriousMind indeed I should have taken example with vec spaces
@Slereah right, I see, and on the same token, how do you express their tensor prod for same X and Y spaces?
 
@user929304 Set-wise, the same
But the vector sum of two elements will be different from the case of the direct sum
For the direct sum, $(a, c) + (b,c) = (a+b, 2c)$, for the tensor product it will be $(a+b, c)$
 
10:24 PM
@ACuriousMind and what kind of space would we get if we tensor multiplied them? :D
 
A geometric example for the tensor product eludes me, so it will have to be algebraic: The vectors space of square matrices over a vector space is isomorphic to the tensor product of that space with itself. For instance, the 2-by-2 matrices are the tensor product of $\mathbb{R}^2$ with itself. (The isomorphism is given by sending the tensor product of the i-th with the j-th basic vector to the elementary matrix with all zero except at the $(i,j)$-th position.
@user929304 Well, the tensor product of the plane and the line is just isomorphic to the plane. The tensor product is not very geometric, at least not to me
 
It's kindaaaa the direct sum you just consider two vector spaces separately and awkwardly group them together
The tensor product is more a different object
 
I do like to use polynomials as an example for such things (so long as I use them right...)
 
@ACuriousMind thanks, think Im getting it now :) good examples
 
For instance, the monomials {1,x} generate a 2D vector space. The monomials {1,y,y^2} generate a 3D vector space. If you consider products of those generators, you get {1,x,y,xy ,y^2,xy^2} which generates a 6D vector space
 
10:30 PM
Use the Tex
 
I’m on my phone, so not going to bother
 
shakes fist
One of these days @Semiclassical
Bang, zoom!
Straight to the moon!
 
Yeah, have fun with that
I think that the construction I gave really would be the tensor product of those vector spaces?
 
Looks alright yeah
 
You can then split that vector space into subspaces generated by {1}, {x,y}, {xy,y^2}, and {xy^2}
Which should correspond to breaking that 6d vector space into a direct sum of vector spaces of dimensions 1,2,2,1 respectively
 
10:35 PM
@danielunderwood this attnGAN architecture is actually quite interesting. It's more sophisticated than the one I was originally envisioning since it stacks multiple GANs rather than just use one.
 
So schematically one has $2\times 3=6=1+2+2+1$
 
I imagine I won't understand it very well, but have a link?
 
I think I linked it earlier
they have 3 GAN's with 3 discriminators and then a deep attention multimodal similarity model to augment the losses for the 3rd GAN
 
And , it remains true if you replace the numbers by the vector spaces, times with tensor product, and plus with direct sum
 
Actually it's not that hard to understand the high level of what the model does, the paper is relatively clear. Reproducing the paper thought would be a bit of a chore since it's kinda of complicated. They released a github repo with the source code though (pytorch backend) so if you're interested in the nitty gritty details you can look at the source code.
 
10:37 PM
So yeah, I like polynomials as examples of vector spaces :)
 
Ahh yeah that is one you linked earlier. I was thinking you found another one for some reason
 
10:59 PM
it's not a very long read
9 pages including refs...can probably skim some of the sections too if you're not gonna reproduce the model yourself
hmmm now what...I have like no pending tasks at work lol
 
I dunno. Anything longer than 140 characters is pretty tough reading
 
ah the twitter generation
 
Can you turn the paper into a single tweet?
Maybe use a GAN
 
by using "Attention" we get the best GAN to produce images from texts in the history of GANs
The authors of the paper are also the greatest ML engineers in the history of ML
there has never been ML engineers with more knowledge of ML
Nobody respects the advances in ML more than they do
 
Oh no you've trained on the wrong tweets!
 
11:12 PM
that's like 90% of twitter now isn't it?
 
It very well could be
what a world we live in
 
XD
 
Smartest GAN ever from the standpoint of smartness
:(
 
the WH new "journalist rules" document mentions that Mr. Cheeto is "the most accessible president in modern history" or something like that
it was a bit odd
since it didn't say "in the history of the presidency"
or "in the history of the world"
he certainly is the most accessible US president in the last 2 years
 
Unfortunately the appropriate level of sigh isn't communicable through text
 
11:20 PM
lol
 
@enumaris You could throw the GBM inside some financial derivative and make your neural network or whatever you're working on come up with a hedging strategy (and confirm that it matches the analytical/Monte Carlo/PDE sol'n), which you can predict.
 
what's "the GBM"?
 
Geometric Brownian Motion
 
oh
pretty much the "hedging strategy" is "buy index funds" no?
 
errr
no
You buy the underlying as per delta in this case right
 
11:22 PM
oh wait you specific the derivative market
specified*
I don't know much about derivative market trading
 
Well, whatever you're simulating
 
I would guess the correct "theoretical strategy" is just some future value discounted to present value.
dunno XD
 
That's kind of the price in some sense, but not the strategy right
 
the hedge fund rejected me so I won't be working on that problem any time soon lol
 
Different to price in P vs Q
 
11:25 PM
I think the EMH would say that the current price already reflects all these considerations and so there is no preference of one financial product over another
strictly speaking, if the EMH is true, one should be indifferent between all strategies...I think...
but I ain't in finance so meh
 
vzn
11:54 PM
@enumaris billions of dollars are made by detecting/ exploiting "small anomalies/ deviations" in the EMH.
 
well I don't get to be one of those guys cus I didn't get in :(
the cool kids club was closed apparently
 
vzn
@enumaris believe it or not its not really much different than standard data science... a key difference is that results (or methods that is) are not "published" :P
 
yeah prolly
 
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