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8:00 PM
@Slereah Maybe he has turned into a grumpy old man in the past few months and it won't do ;)
 
That motherfucker is like ten years younger than me
Life has yet to stamp on his face
 
@bolbteppa Awesome, thanks!
 
The group of rotations of a circle would treat the circle as a 1-d manifold, that kind of thing
 
Anonymous
@Slereah Ssssh
 
Anonymous
MODs are watching!
 
8:02 PM
cough
 
anybody have experience with zoom for meetings?
is it like for video conferencing?
 
@danielunderwood That's...not correct :P $\mathrm{SO}(3)$ is the quotient of $S^3$ by identifying antipodal points.
 
Bahaha!
@Blue That's the last time you'll get to say that in a while ;)
 
$S^3=SO(3)=SU(2)$
still waiting for world to burn
 
@Blue Stop watching yourself!
 
8:06 PM
@ACuriousMind Ahh right it said $S^3$ was $SU(2)$ and $SO(3)$ was "half of $S^3$" without really going into detail of what it meant. Is that more correct?
 
lunch is almost here...
 
(Congrats, @Blue)
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Anonymous
Lol...thanks :P :)
 
$SU(3) = SO(2)$?
 
Anonymous
I need to tick some things I guess
 
8:07 PM
(currently melting)
 
@danielunderwood Yeah, "half of $S^3$" is an acceptable colloquialism for identifying antipodal points :P
 
@ACuriousMind like how spinors are square roots of vectors
 
the question would be, which half??
 
@Blue Admit it, you only nominated to see your name in blue in chat
@Slereah Nnnnnnnnngh
@enumaris the larger one
 
8:07 PM
spinors are the square root of a geometry according to fine structure guy
 
And that's different from a hemisphere, correct?
 
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@ACuriousMind Damn.....you found out my secret! ;)
 
Just take a sphere
 
@danielunderwood right, a hemisphere is just a bloody sphere </s>
 
Pick the top half
 
8:08 PM
It's the Northern Hemisphere of $S^3$
 
Glue it to the bottom half
But backward
and without cutting the sphere
 
But yes, the quotient by antipodal points is different from just a hemisphere
 
Anonymous
@Mithrandir24601 I'm a bit confused. Where are the things I need to tick/fill up?
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
I see this ^
 
8:09 PM
@Blue You should get an e-mail, then the first time you try and access some mod stuff (on both main and meta), they'll appear
 
@Blue Please ask questions about moderator tools in the mod-only room you should soon be able to access. The diamonds need a bit to propagate through the system ;P
 
I suppose I should learn what a quotient space actually is
oh no
blue's going to have a blue name!
 
These quotient structures are related to equivalence relations, e.g. if you have a group, and you can define an equivalence relation which respects the group structure, you can reduce the group to the group of equivalence classes, the result being a quotient group,
Which is cool
 
@danielunderwood Yes, quotients are a very important thing to wrap one's head around
The notion is not that complicated, but it takes a bit to get used to it
 
There's always one thing that slows you down when you have tons to get through fast :\
 
8:24 PM
Luckily it's not for a class or anything, so I don't have to rush through it. But that also means I'm more likely to get sidetracked going down a different road
Those slow downs are pretty annoying those. Especially when you later learn that what slowed you down wasn't all that complicated. I remember having serious issues doing tensor computations and finding matrix elements in QM when first being introduced to them
 
You just identify opposite points on the 3-sphere to be the same group action in SO(3)
so 2 points represent 1 action
hence a double cover
Every action in $SO(3)$ has 2 points representing it in $S^3$
 
8:40 PM
Is anybody comfortable with highest weight reps and tensor rep's :(
 
nope, very disturbing news they are
 
@enumaris hey that makes sense!
 
you can pick the moebius strip as an example
It has the cylinder as a double cover
basically the same construction
 
@danielunderwood :D
 
Antipodal points identified
 
8:43 PM
"Every highest weight can be expressed as an integral linear combination of the fundamental weights
...
Hence, every representation can be obtained from a tensor product of fundamental representations. This tensor product will in general not be irreducible, i.e. its set of weights will contain several highest weight"
P 96 http://www.th.physik.uni-bonn.de/nilles/people/luedeling/grouptheory/data/grouptheorynotes.pdf
 
If you work out the standard error in the slope of a graph what is the standard error in the inverse gradient?
Is it the same error?
Hmm no it can't
Does anyone here work with origin a lot?
The data analysis software
 
Oh god I hated that thing
We had to use it for lab result evaluations
 
@bolbteppa on a related note, the differences between physics conventions for su(2) and math conventions are headache-inducing
 
@Semiclassical did you read the Landau section for that tensor product coefficient thing
 
8:55 PM
I think I gotta osmosis all the sections of those group theory for physicists books I've been skipping :\
That coefficient thing is somewhere in that mess
 
Yeah, super useful for plotting graphs and so on but the documentation is so jargonny and long-winded it takes forever to learn and no one really knows whats happening
 
there's an old line attributed to von Neumann : "Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them."
I'm not sure how good a description of math that is, but it's a very good description of how we use software
 
@Semiclassical it is true
 
9:24 PM
yarp
welp...what to do...hmmm
I need to get an unlimited data plan...
using too much data...
 
9:55 PM
'you just osmosis them'
 
I got bored reading the game theory book
now I don't got a book to read
hmmm
question, why does group notation use the function notation paradigm? Why $SO(3)$ and not $SO3$ or $SO_3$ or $^3 SO$?
 
People use $SO_n$ sometimes
More for $O_n$ I think
 
I propose to moving to $SOSOSO$
n copies
So it would be the EEEEEEEE theory of everything
 
$2^{SO(SO(n))}$
Future fields medal^
 
10:10 PM
Sounds legit
 
10:24 PM
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Q: Did the Republicans take 10 of 13 Congressional seats in the 2018 North Carolina US general election with approximately the same number of votes?

DJClayworthThis image has been shared on social media Transcription: Gerrymandering in North Carolina 1,747,742 votes for Democrats = 3 Congressional seats 1,638,684 votes for Republicans = 10 Congressional seats Example sources: [1], [2] Are these numbers correct?

wow, that's pretty messed up lol
 
Yeah it was ordered that our districts be redrawn but the republicans in charge said it was too close to the election of course
 
makes sense
and now it's "the election is over, why do you still care"?
 
didn't the supreme court reject a recount
and so he conceded
 
Yeah
 
10:32 PM
my memory of Gore-Bush is pretty bad tho since I was relatively young
 
They did a recount, Gore won, it just wasn't official
 
I see
but if SCOTUS rejected a recount it doesn't seem like there was any chance of getting one anyways?
 
He didn't fight out of a sense of decency, today shows how wrong he was heh
 
but I mean, he appealed all the way up to SCOTUS, what else could he do? o.O
he can't force a recount if the Secretary of State of Florida refuses and SCOTUS refuses for force it either...
 
That was before the numbers were counted and showed he won
 
10:34 PM
hmmm
 
"A year later, in November 2001, the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago announced the results of an examination of all 170,000 undervotes and overvotes.

NORC found that with a full statewide hand recount, Gore would have won Florida under every possible vote standard. Depending on which standard was used, his margin of victory would have varied from 60 to 171 votes."
 
my recollection of the events, which could very well be wrong, was the Al Gore fought pretty hard, got it all the way up to SCOTUS, was rejected by SCOTUS and only then gave up.
There is no more up the chain than SCOTUS...doing some independent study wouldn't have helped I think...
 
Basically people who both circled the circle and wrote his name in were disqualified, an overvote, ridiculous
 
@enumaris practically speaking, anyways
one could probably cook up something consistent with the constitution, but uh
 
Right...I don't disagree that perhaps he actually did win in 2000, but just that it seems to me he already exhausted all his options at that point
 
10:37 PM
that doesn't mean it'd ever be conceivable
 
Gore fought for a recount in 4 states, and hilariously if he got that recount he still would have lost, but if it was a statewide recount, which is the obvious thing to fight for if you're not an idiot, he would have won if you don't throw away the under and over votes, which is insane to do
Weak dems
'On December 8, the Florida Supreme Court rejected Gore’s request for a hand recount in four counties. Instead, it ordered a statewide hand recount of undervotes, with the decisions being made according to the “intent of the voter.”

The U.S. Supreme Court then halted this recount on December 12, declaring that since different Florida counties used different voting methods, the voter intent standard violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution.'
 
hmmm
 
This is way before the NORC recount
'the Gore campaign wanted everyone to stand down. McAlevey quotes a higher-up telling her, “The Gore campaign has made the decision that this is not the image they want. They don’t want to protest. They don’t want to rock the boat. They don’t want to seem like they don’t have faith in the legal system.”'
 
 
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vzn
11:42 PM
this book by gore looks prescient in retrospect. he seems to have been one of the most science-positive politicians in decades. as for "counterfactuals"... am sure the world would have been a much different place if hed been president. The Assault on Reason amazon.com/Assault-Reason-Al-Gore/dp/1594201226 also note that some commentators have mentioned we are living thru a "post fact" world aka alternative facts etc...
 
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