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1:12 AM
@BalarkaSen from my ancient copy of Spivak 1
2:07 AM
@Semiclassical here is a funny identity. If $u$ is a distribution then $D^\alpha u=(D^\alpha \delta_0)*u$. This of course holds when $u$ is a function $f$...
so differentiation is convolution with some distribution
I guess that's something one could "prove" with generous use of Dirac notation
I'd more expect to prove it by integrating by parts a bunch
Hmm. $u'(x)=\int \delta(y-x) u'(y)\, dy$
I mean, that's probably exactly how the proof is supposed to go for functions
Is alpha an integer here, or is something more subtle involved?
2:10 AM
@Semiclassical Oh, it's a multiindex
If you don't know what that is I can explain
I'm trying to understand what the convolution with a distribution is actually supposed to be
it's one of those things that's rather mechanical
I'm not sure what it really means though
could also thing in terms of Fourier transform, since that turns convolution into products
@Semiclassical hmm
@Semiclassical I understand even less what the Fourier transform of a distribution is supposed to be
Why? A thought a distribution was basically defined by how it behaves under integration
and that's what the Fourier transform is
2:15 AM
distributions really have nothing to do with integration
they're just abstract linear operators on $C_c^\infty$
well, for reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
and the convolution of distributions is some strange shit
although FT does still take a convolution of distributions to the product
@Semiclassical I dunno, FT is a magical thing that I don't really understand either
something something frequencies
2:19 AM
@Semiclassical I mean really, wtf is the FT of a Gaussian supposed to represent
Another Gaussian.
I said represent, not equal
morally what is it
tbh, to the extent that I have intuition for the Fourier transform
it's in thinking about stuff like the double slit
where the (amplitude squared of the) Fourier transform of the aperture gives you diffraction pattern
the other approach is to use the fact that the Gaussian is the solution of $-u''(x)+x^2 u(x)=0$
which, once you Fourier transform, is going to be the same equation in different variables.
@Semiclassical ok that's neat
but what intuition does that give?
from a mathematical perspective I suppose the "justification" is that it turns differentiation into multiplication, but that doesn't give intuition about what the FT is supposed to be
eh, it's intuitive enough to me: $H=x^2+p^2$.
2:28 AM
@Semiclassical what about it
it's quadratic and symmetric in both $x,p$. plus, one has the relation $[\hat{x},\hat{p}]=i\hbar$
which can be accomplished either by taking $\hat{p}$ to be differentiation on $x$, or $\hat{x}$ to be differentiation on $p$.
so the fact that the solution of $\hat{H}|\psi\rangle=0$ looks the same in both position and momentum space seems sorta sensible, tbh
tbf, though, I'm the kinda guy who finds coherent states intuitive/interesting
@Semiclassical =0?
sooooo not sure i'm the right one to ask
oh. hm
stupid zero point energy, making me look bad
yeah, whatever it is
it's 1/2 in these units
which points to the dirty secret that one is better off thinking of $|\psi\rangle$ as the zero eigenstate of the lowering operator $a=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(x+ip)$
2:34 AM
@BernardoMeurer how do I Skype on linux
coherent states takes that and runs with it by considering the eigenvalue equation $a|\alpha\rangle=\alpha |\alpha\rangle.$
yeah I remember that from QM
which leads to a bunch of fun stuff
never understood the buzz
hey, they all have maximal minimal uncertainly product. that's pretty cool right off the bat
2:35 AM
$\sigma_x \sigma_p=\hbar/2$
@0ßelö7 yaourt -Syu skypeforlinux-bin
lol if it makes you feel better I was doing a practice math GRE with my advisor and I couldn't integrate $1/(x\log x)$
2:37 AM
I actually did some work with so-called spin coherent states, though it was more formal than anything
ugh, integrals
the math GRE is a mix of tedious calculus, stupid algebra and some clever problems
I have to start practicing and I'm not happy
actually, that one isn't bad if you note that $dx/(x\log x)=(dx/x)/(\log x)=d(\log x)/\log x=d\log\log x$
wtf is that notation
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2:39 AM
$$\frac{dx}{x\log x}=\frac{dx/x}{\log x}=\frac{d(\log x)}{\log x}=d\log\log x$$
$d\log\log x$
I know what that's supposed to mean but it's still a crime
if you understand it, then I don't really care
@0ßelö7 People might mistake the guy in the pic for you.
@Jasper so?
Nvm, lol.
2:41 AM
ethan is thicc
everyone wants to look like him
I don't even know who he is.
I wonder who added the red lines.
some memer like @BalarkaSen
I see. He must be a youtuber then.
2:46 AM
@BernardoMeurer help
3:16 AM
Q: What does "energy required to make room for the system mean"?

AbcdI read the answers to What does enthalpy mean? and both answerers mentioned that it's the energy required to "make room for the system". What does this mean? How do we provide that energy and how does it succeed in "making room"? Does this also involve the building up of matter as the gas didn't ...

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8:16 AM
@BernardoMeurer "foo fazz bar bazz" such beautiful lyrical poetry
@0ßelö7 The Fibonacci spiral edit is gold
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9:35 AM
@JohnRennie Do you know any software for playing videos downloaded with the .mlv extension?
@Blue Have you tried VLC? That plays pretty much everything.
@JohnRennie Oh, I don't have VLC on my PC. I'll download it and try. Thanks
MLV is Magic Lantern format, and the FFMPEG library introduced support for it about three years ago. Since VLC uses the FFMPEG library it seems very likely that VLC will play those files.
9:54 AM
@JohnRennie Magic Lantern Vormat? :P
VLC is great.
Video :-)
Magic Lantern Voles - it's a technology operated by voles
@JohnRennie Heh. Voles are more known for destroying technology (or at least the Cardassian voles on DS9 were), though ;)
Speaking of Trek, do there exist people who a) watched Discovery and b) liked it?
I'm ashamed to say the last Star Trek I saw was The Search for Spock (the first being TOS of course)
@JohnRennie Whoa.
10:02 AM
@BalarkaSen Awoh
(Awo, with a long, drawn out 'o', being a sound of dismissal in some German dialects)
I was quoting the Crash Bandicoot
@BalarkaSen Never played that
@ACuriousMind This reminded me of a character from Dostoyevsky screaming "Jawohl" out loud to a German baron.
10:08 AM
was he red?
hm? what does that mean?
@BalarkaSen Aha ;)
@ACuriousMind Yeah I watch it. It is quite good
@BalarkaSen the Crash Bandicoot character is wonderful, but the games weren't especially innovative. I've never felt any great urge to go back and start replaying them.
10:19 AM
@PrathyushPoduval Did you watch any other Trek before this one?
@ACuriousMind TOS, and currently watching TNG
I love this confused look that kirk gives at the start of every episode :P
@PrathyushPoduval That's just his face ;)
"What am I doing with my life?"
"Is space where I am going to die?"
"What came first? The chicken or egg?" :P
Eh, compared to what happens to Picard, Kirk had a pretty good life :P
It was quite calm at TOS though
just simple adventures
picard is just awesome
10:22 AM
As I recall Kirk used to get beaten up fairly regularly in TOS ...
@JohnRennie and loose his shirt
Oh yes :-)
I remember him with a torn shirt quite a many times
Very, erm, tasteful :-)
@JohnRennie Yeah, but getting beaten up and then sleeping with random aliens is pretty good compared to what Picard has to endure in some of the TNG episodes and the movies
10:24 AM
I can't comment, not having seen any of the later series
Wait, picard was there in a movie?
@PrathyushPoduval Sure, in several
There even is a cheesy crossover between TNG and TOS in the...fifth or sixth Trek movie, I think
I though the movies were only with shatner-Kirk
Not as cheesy as the save-teh-whales one, but still
10:26 AM
SAvE thE WhaLEs
I like the fact that discovery is no longer about the captain of the ship
I may just be a grumpy old fan, but it didn't feel like Trek to me at all. Far too action-y and I didn't like most of the cast. Then again, I couldn't stand DS9's Sisko for the first two seasons, either
Haven't seen DS9 yet. But then, didn't the new movies have a lot of action too?
Did you like the new movies?
I didn't like the new Trek movies as Trek either, though they weren't bad movies as such
I started off with the new movies
It was how, I came to know of star trek
10:46 AM
Are we talking about the Star Track
Let me put my fake vulcan ears and Federation PJs
Also you may recall that Kirk's son died
Not the funnest life
and he died fighting an old man before being buried in the desert
I'm surely missing something. How is the de-broglie wavelength of a MB particle $\lambda=\sqrt{\frac{h}{\sqrt{2\pi m k T}}}$ ? For that the momentum must turn out to be $p=m(2\pi kT)$. But, $kT$ has the dimension energy and not velocity. I'm not sure how they got it
Probably it is a printing mistake
10:53 AM
I remember $\lambda = h/\sqrt{2mE}$
Wrong edit
Sorry, got it
@BalarkaSen Yea, I missed the sqrt there
Got it
10:54 AM
I'm being silly
But wait, $\lambda=\frac{h}{\sqrt{2\pi m k T}} \implies E=\pi kT$, right?
After comparing with your equation $\lambda = h/\sqrt{2mE}$
Why should $E=\pi k T$ ?
iunno what the context is
10:57 AM
I'm uploading a screenshot
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^ This is why this site is awesome
It's taking eternity :/
@BalarkaSen There ^
11:08 AM
Probably not going to be able to help you on this one
You should ask the actual physicists
No problem. If anyone can decipher what's written do let me know
@BalarkaSen Was that a joke? We don't have any actual physicist over here :P
11:24 AM
Find the average energy by integrating over the boltzmann distribution
That will give you a factor of pi
@BalarkaSen ^
@PrathyushPoduval +1 👍
11:41 AM
BTW we're using Maxwell Boltzmann distribution to derive the distribution in that case. Something is wrong with that.
11:53 AM
did Schrödinger have a cat
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12:10 PM
@JohnRennie in my household Star Trek is viewed as an inferior tv show and I haven't watched a single one
@Blue No you're not deriving it
you derive the boltzmann dist, find the energy, use it to find the case it is not applicable
@Blue abandon any book that writes the "therefore" symbol
why tho
12:31 PM
any book that uses logical quantifiers/shortcuts like that is trash
in a sense even words are shortcuts
abstraction leads to efficiency
1:02 PM
Example of something that is abstract but figurative
1:13 PM
@Kenshin counterexample: ncatlab.org/nlab/show/HomePage
what's that
it might be harsh but if you don't know then you shouldn't talk about abstraction
why is that tho
it is the most comprehensive encyclopedia of abstract nonsense in the world
the point being there are millions of examples in mathematics where abstraction is the absolute 180 degree opposite of efficiency in solving a specific, concrete problem
1:16 PM
"Definition 5.3. A supermanifold is a functor $X:SuperPointop→SmoothMfd$ equipped with an equivalence class of supersmooth atlases."
I standby my statement that abstraction leads to efficiency
but this is long term efficiency, not necessarily for a specific problem
well we standby with our statement, backed with evidence which you don't have, that your statement is the reincarnation of absolute garbage
you can solve one problem now without abstraction, or 100 problems in the future with abstraction
The following is abstract:
so @BalarkaSen your "evidence" is a website?
is that your thought process
1:18 PM
$$\Omega_{V}^{\circ P}(E)$$
yes it is.
well your evidence isn't valid
trol alert
invalid evidence is as good as no evidence at all
The following is NOT abstract
1:19 PM
you must show the logical link between your evidence and your conclusion
well you clearly have no knowledge of the mathematics that is presented in the website so your opinion is invalid
you cannot just say evidence implies conclusion without going through the reasoning
@BalarkaSen why are you arguing with some kid about this
you won, let it be
The following is neither abstract nor not abstract
1:20 PM
don't you know that words themselves are abstractions of concepts
surely words make communicating quite efficient
And the following is both abstract and not abstract:
The specific problem we were referring to was the use of the therefore symbol in texts
@Kenshin yeah unfortunately everything you're saying is armchair philosophy
do you have a 5K monitor?
1:22 PM
I just zoom out the browser
@BalarkaSen it's not philosophy, it's optimisation
@Kenshin just stop
@0ßelö7 why sir?
because ma'am, you don't know what you're talking about
1:23 PM
Sir I"m very well educated on this topic
if you don't know nLab then you have no clue about mathematics
Sir can you prove that statement?
or is this your way of thinking?
by induction and dogma?
Ma'am I don't see any reason to continue here
if you can prove that everyone who doesn't know nLab has no clue about mathematics than I will take you seriously
wut is this conversation
1:24 PM
but otherwise what you talk is trash
so neither of us takes the other seriously
why are you wasting your time
go learn some arithmetic
indeed it seems to be the case that we dont' take each other seriously
But whether I"m wasting my time or not depends on my personal utility function doesn't it
if you think this is productive then I'm inclined to urge you to look up healthcare near you
@Kenshin give me 10 good examples of mathematical theorems of importance which are more illuminating to prove "abstractly" aka, a proof which involves mathematical objects with lesser and more general structures than objects in question already are.
not much, just 10
@0ßelö7 productivity and utility aren't synonymous. Productivity is for the working class mate.
1:28 PM
@BalarkaSen intermediate value theorem
@BalarkaSen ok, how about 1 + 1 = 2? This is more efficient than always saying 1 cat plus another cat gives 2 cats etc.
"1 + 1 = 2" is not a theorem...
define theorem for me
@Semiclassical please send this guy to the shadow realm
1:29 PM
and in addiiton, explain why you;re restricting the analysis to theorems only
when I've given an example where abstraction clearly has benefit
Life's too short to bother listening to people who don't respect mathematics.
I am not saying abstraction has no benefit. Just that it's most of the time not efficient to actually do anything
Coming up with axioms is not one of the things which are actually worth doing
@BalarkaSen and I just gave you an example of where abstraction does have benefit
you are purposefully misunderstanding the argument, ma'am
yet you have failed to produce an answer to my question about 10 examples up there
1:31 PM
This all started when 0celo claimed that using the therefore symbol in a text means the text is rubbish
obviously 0celo was using his irrational way of thinking (e.g. everyone who doesn't know nlab doesn't know maths) etc. but this was what raised the abstraction argument
and that had nothing to do with abstraction
The therefore symbol is an abstraction of the word therefore
7 mins ago, by Balarka Sen
wut is this conversation
which in itself is an abstraction of an underlying concept
Human minds always abstract to understand
@Semiclassical One that lives under a bridge.
1:32 PM
Deep learning neural networks are all about abstraction, that's what perceptrons are
believe me, coming up with terminology is the most trivial kind of abstraction a human being is capable of doing
and humans think in a very similar way
and you're arguing about that? lels
Top keq
I frankly have no idea what is being argued here.
1:33 PM
terminology is a great example of the benefits of abstraction
@Semiclassical whether thinking and using abstract concepts is more efficient
than just thhinking about the concrete issue
what the hell does that have to do with someone too lazy to format a proof correctly
@0ßelö7 you are assuming the therefore symbol is an error tho
a stylistic error
yes but this is an inaccurate assumption on your part
1:35 PM
as my argument is that it is a stylistic improvement
but I'm happy to be proven wrong
ok you win
but dogma isn't proof
I will now kill myself
and if you can't prove me wrong, then your opinion is subjective
no, you win
1:35 PM
thankyou sir
I'm glad you see the light
fighting irrationality bit by bit
kenshin reminds me of our old dude Zee
@BalarkaSen A. Zee?
1:36 PM
Zee used to come to the math chat
and troll about how all the western philosophy is junk
he got banned
dude I like Western philosophy
far superior to eastern philosophy
that's racist
i'm-a pull a balarka and say this conversation is all garbage
most human conversation is my friend
1:38 PM
@Semiclassical let's talk about something that isn't garbage
how about regularity theory for quasilinear elliptic PDE?
I could talk about coherent states :3
@BalarkaSen yuuup
@Semiclassical I'm stuck on a proof where the guy references a paper for a regularity result, but it would be much easier to just reference back to an earlier chapter
So I'm worried I'm missing a subtlety
1:40 PM
(the issue might be that for nonlinear PDE you can't break it up into a bunch of smaller parts using a partition of unity)
@Semiclassical I have been thinking a lot about induction lately
@BalarkaSen so I came across transfinite induction the other day
Faraday's law or...?
it seems like nonsense
yeah electromagnetic induction
@0ßelö7 dunno that stuff
1:41 PM
I guess I am a mathematician
yeah, faraday's law is neat
I didn't even consider EM
I have the advantage of having talked with Balarka about Faraday's law before
1:43 PM
@Semiclassical Self-induction and mutual inductions are interesting phenomenons
I mean, the nonlinearity is just a source term, it doesn't have a derivative
it should really be trivial
@Avantgarde Have you listened to Godspeed You! Black Emperor's new album?
@BalarkaSen that's an interesting band name
They are one of the notable experimental post-rock bands out there
Lift Yr Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven is a great album
also a great meme :P
1:57 PM
sounds scary

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