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Anonymous

12:15 AM

@Mostafa Lol. I tried installing the 32 bit version on my PC. Over 10+ virus attacks in under 1 minute. Trojan+Adware+... lesson learnt: Never use piratebay to download free software!

Jaime Gallego

@Blue MATLAB is free?!

Anonymous

@JaimeGallego The pirate bay version is free

Anonymous

But DON'T download it!

Jaime Gallego

Everything's free if you try hard enough

Anonymous

Thankfully I had installed anti virus on my PC. Otherwise I'd have to buy Windows 7 again XD

Jaime Gallego

12:18 AM

It would work with the same key if it's the same mobo (assuming you've got an OEM version).

In fact, it would work with other computers through not-so-honest methods.

Anonymous

It downloaded UC Browser on my PC and I'm not being able to delete it! :O

Jaime Gallego

Nuke the disk and reinstall.

Anonymous

@JaimeGallego Nuke? How?

Anonymous

Anonymous

Jaime Gallego

12:23 AM

Ah, that's the problem, you're using Windows.

:)

@Blue There are tools to format the whole disk, but make sure to write down your product key and other details before that.

And also read up on the tools themselves, they can be quite dangerous.

Case in point:

Darik's Boot and Nuke

Darik's Boot and Nuke, also known as DBAN , is an open source project hosted on SourceForge. The program is designed to securely erase a hard disk until its data is permanently removed and no longer recoverable, which is achieved by overwriting the data with pseudorandom numbers generated by Mersenne twister or ISAAC. The Gutmann method, Quick Erase, DoD Short (3 passes), and DOD 5220.22-M (7 passes) are also included as options to handle data remanence. DBAN can be booted from a CD, DVD, USB flash drive or diskless using a Preboot Execution Environment. It is based on Linux and supports PATA ...

Anonymous

Uff...finally uninstalled it. Typical Chinese malware. >_<

Jaime Gallego

Uninstalled, ha

Anonymous

McAFEE going strong :)

Jaime Gallego

Funny John McAfee uninstalls McAfee (with guns, girls and drugs)

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David Z

12:47 AM

@JaimeGallego Dangerous if you're concerned about the data, I suppose. But it's not like this software is going to cause a hard drive to explode in your face.

Jaime Gallego

@DavidZ If you're using an SSD, for example, all of the I/O activity can render it inoperable.

Or. at least. shorten its lifespan.

David Z

Still, that's dangerous only in terms of data loss, not dangerous in terms of physical harm

Well, not to you. I guess it's dangerous to the disk.

Dawood ibn Kareem

12:59 AM

@0celo7 Are you saying you don't believe me?

Anonymous

@JaimeGallego My PC seems stable now. Only problem is google search isn't working but all other sites are loading :O!

Anonymous

How does the virus affect google search :/ Strange!

Jaime Gallego

1:18 AM

It probably is some underhanded shit the program added to the DNS or the interface config.

Do the rest of sites work?

Ah, I didn't read through the whole message.

Anonymous

Ya, all other websites are working. Just the google ones aren't working. I can't even open Gmail!

Anonymous

For example Stack Exchange is working and I am currently typing here...

Jaime Gallego

My experience on Windows configuration is limited, so I don't know much about how to check the hosts file. You might try to ask @JohnRennie about this.

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Help! :P

Dawood ibn Kareem

1:40 AM

Your hosts file is probably at C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts. Check to see if there's a line in there listing www.google.co.in. If there is, delete it.

0celo7

@DawoodibnKareem I can't imagine a serious analyst doing a double integral in the \iint sense.

Dawood ibn Kareem

Then today, you've learnt something.

Anonymous

# Copyright (c) 1993-2009 Microsoft Corp.
#
# This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows.
#
# This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each
# entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should
# be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name.
# The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one
# space.
#
# Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual
# lines or following the machine name denoted by a '#' symbol.

Anonymous

@DawoodibnKareem Nope. Host file doesn't list google!

Dawood ibn Kareem

@Blue OK so that's not the problem.

Anonymous

1:56 AM

Anonymous

Turned on TLS. Doesn't work.

Anonymous

:/

David Z

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Las Vegas Raiders

2:12 AM

Hi chat

John Rennie

4:09 AM

@Blue: I'm around now if you want to have a look at the problem

John Rennie

4:48 AM

@Blue: I've read back through the chat log and seen that the problem was caused by you installing virus infected software. If this was my laptop I'd wipe it and reinstall. You don't have to buy Windows again as you can reuse your current key.

Balarka Sen

5:03 AM

@0celo7 This is.... not true? Iterated integrals are a thing; they just turn out to agree with "double integral"/Riemann integral over an area because of Fubini

Las Vegas Raiders

5:17 AM

Did you see what was moved to the trash? @BalarkaSen

Slereah

6:30 AM

I just realized that another benefit of the boundary term of the gravitational action is if the spacetime isn't orientable

Since the integral won't be defined on the whole manifolds

John Rennie

6:40 AM

Sometimes you can just tell a question is going to make the HNQ

Slereah

Too bad I'm'going to school

I have a book with a chapter on gravitational shielding

Hint : it's fairly cumbersome and violates the NEC

John Rennie

7:14 AM

@Slereah that's what Luboš said

Las Vegas Raiders

@0celo7 can't sleep?

Slereah

Damn Lubos

Stealing my internet points

Las Vegas Raiders

get real points in school

John Rennie

@Slereah: Too bad I'm'going to school - you're going back to university?

Las Vegas Raiders

school is a subset of university

Slereah

7:26 AM

even worse

Avantgarde

Cantor is very proud of you

Slereah

I'm doing some web development class

To eat food

John Rennie

Ah. Not as much fun as a PhD but needs must.

Balarka Sen

web development is the real shit. who even cares about theoretical physics

is it me or are you being a bot more than you usually are

Las Vegas Raiders

fine, be that way :P

Physics Meta

8:15 AM

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Q: Is there a way to get my question answered if it is marked as a duplicate?

I have a question about my Physics Stack Exchange post: Is the normal force conservative? The question was marked as a duplicate. However, as I explained when I first asked it, the answer to the "duplicate" post was unclear and contradicted my previous knowledge. I was merely bringing up an...

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user228700

Hey, everyone :-)

Mithrandir24601

@Kaumudi.H Hello again!

user228700

Oh, hi! Long time. How goes it?

Mithrandir24601

@Kaumudi.H Pretty good, thanks - I've had a week of relaxing at home and it was definitely relaxing :) So, back to work today and back to talking to potential PhD supervisors. How goes it here/with you?

user228700

Ooh, that's nice! :-)

user228700

8:27 AM

I am doing OK, thanks! Been binge watching Netflix and reading a lot. Definitely relaxing :-)

Mithrandir24601

That's good :) Enjoy it while you can!

user228700

Thanks! :-)

Secret

8:47 AM

> n the 1980s, early desktop computers were subverted by a sophisticated array of computer viruses for malicious fun

Name me organism(s) which will harm members of their community not for dominance, for survival, but for fun

(Actually, is fun a valid motivation for bullying...? since most cases I know the underlying reason is mainly to demonstrate dominance and controll, or as means of retalitation)

Mithrandir24601

Sounds a bit like a psychopath

Secret

I am trying to access dmckee and Dawood's points on the issue on the following:

Mithrandir24601

Although it probably depends on exactly what 'malicious fun' means

Secret

17 hours ago, by Secret

> Of all organisms on the planet, ONLY human beings are known to deliberately harm each other for pointless reasons

That was my argumet

shortly after dmckee and Dawood proposed the following counterarguments:

9 hours ago, by Dawood ibn Kareem

@Secret Many species of birds bully each other. Hence "pecking order".

13 hours ago, by dmckee

@Secret Eh? Even seen video of ape or monkey societies?

13 hours ago, by dmckee

They have all the same social $#!? that you experienced in high school, only with more body hair.

12 hours ago, by dmckee

@Secret Monkey B gets beat up by monkey A for some minor transgression. After a short sulk B goes looking for a more junior monkey and on finding C beats him out of the blue.

12 hours ago, by dmckee

Hard to find something more along the line of 'just because I can' than that.

All these points are valid and typical of bullying scenarios in humans too, but I am not sure if animals are capable to have the concept of psychopaths

I think one good way to define malicious fun is something much worse than amensalism in ecology:

Recall that amensalism is a symbiotic relation between two different communities such that one becomes harmed (e.g. decrease in viability or population) while the other is unaffected

A classical example is the penicillin mold and other bacteria. The mold produce penicillin, which end up killing and preventing other bacteria to colonise the area around them, but does not really give any advantage to them

> Amensalism[edit]
Amensalism is an interaction where an organism inflicts harm to another organism without any costs or benefits received by itself.[5] A clear case of amensalism is where sheep or cattle trample grass. Whilst the presence of the grass causes negligible detrimental effects to the animal's hoof, the grass suffers from being crushed.[citation needed] Amensalism is often used to describe strongly asymmetrical competitive interactions, such as has been observed between the Spanish ibex and weevils of the genus Timarcha which feed upon the same type of shrub. Whilst the presence…

Some weeks ago, there's a philosophical discussion in the philosophy society I was part of on the issue on morality. It appears that if an agent is not consciously thinking about whether its action is moral and thus decide whether to do it, then regardless of the outcome of their action, morality actually cannot be applied to it

Mithrandir24601

@Secret this feels very much like the difference between murder and manslaughter, to an extent

Or thinking about it, maybe not... ::shrugs:: I do physics, not philosophy :P

John Rennie

9:39 AM

@Kaumudi.H did you see my lunch from yesterday? :-)

Balarka Sen

10:03 AM

@BernardoMeurer Wanna see some weird shit?

David Byrne & St. Vincent - Who (Official Video)

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ACuriousMind

@Secret That's only if you believe intent matters at all in morality (e.g. deontologists in the vein of Kant would very much say it does matter), but if you don't, the internal state of the agent does not affect the morality of an action at all (e.g. most forms of utilitarianism).

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Thanks for the help. However, I found out that I can perform "System Restore" and set it to a few weeks back. I performed that and now it is fine as before! :) I need to install a stronger anti-virus this time. McAfee couldn't prevent the attack. Any suggestions?

John Rennie

@Blue The problem is that viruses and malware mutate so fast these days that no AV can keep up. All of the AVs will give you only partial protection and it's down to you not to commit digital suicide by installing hookey software! :-)

I use AVG, but I doubt that would have done much better than McAfee did.

ACuriousMind

@Blue There's really no such thing as a "stronger anti-virus", they all mostly do exactly the same. The best protection is not installing viruses. :P

Balarka Sen

There's our evidence of "Great minds think alike".

John Rennie

10:14 AM

But the system restore will have cleared out any trace of the virus so you'll be fine now. The Chrome problem was probably because the malware installed a Chrome add-in to redirect Google requests to its own malicious site.

Anonymous

@JohnRennie lol, yeah. Never ever gonna use pirate bay again!!! :P

Anonymous

@JohnRennie It didn't even re-direct. It simply blocked Google related sites somehow!

Anonymous

Not only Chrome but also on Internet Explorer

John Rennie

Pirate bay has its uses (allegedly :-) but you need to be very careful about installing software you've downloaded from it. Especially popular software like Matlab. Niche software is less likely to be infected.

AccidentalFourierTransform

if you install Matlab and get a virus, then you got two viruses

John Rennie

10:22 AM

:-)

Slereah

"The Pons Asinorum or Bridge of Asses theorem states that in an isosceles triangle, α = β and γ = δ."

bridge of asses

Dawood ibn Kareem

@Secret I didn't mean to imply that bullying among birds is pointless; but I don't understand why they do it. I assume there's a point to it that's too subtle for me to grasp. But it certainly happens (I keep fancy pigeons).

Balarka Sen

What does pointless mean anyway

Dawood ibn Kareem

10:40 AM

@Slereah Google Translate gives "donkey", not "ass" for "asinus", and "asinorum" is the genitive plural. Either way, it's nothing to do with bottoms.

Balarka Sen

10:57 AM

it's still amusing

ACuriousMind

@DawoodibnKareem "ass" can also mean donkey, not only the buttocks, so there's nothing wrong here (and I think Slereah knows that but still finds it funny :P)

John Rennie

Silly ass :-)

Slereah

As u may know "ass" means donkey in the Queen's English

What the Americans call "ass" is actually "arse"

Secret

11:23 AM

Some time later, I need to do this blind to be sure that it is not hindsight: Is it possible to determine what art is produced by machines and what art is produced by people?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2139184-artificially-intelligent-painters-invent-new-styles-of-art/

Currently for me, (With the possible involvement of hindsight), AI art differs from human art in that their style have this "grid like" feeling at the interface between any two distinct patches of colors, creating some kind of lensing or bifrigerance effect. Otherwise, it looks like a recognisable picture overlaid with a mask tailored to a certain art style

John Rennie

11:45 AM

@JaimeGallego: Juno?

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