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12:03 AM
@NeuroFuzzy I know right?! Me too!
@LegionMammal978 Eh, mol is a dimensionless unit, yeah, is that what you're asking?
 
@BernardoMeurer I guess
 
Coolio, then yes
Mol's just a quantity
You can have a mol of potato
It's just a shit ton of potato
Or a mole of moles!
 
Okay, because I was confused, as all other 6 SI fundamental quantities specify separate dimensions
 
12:36 AM
mol is not a dimensionless unit.
 
@Avantgarde How so?
 
Oh come on
amount can't possibly be a dimension :P
 
@LegionMammal978 Your equation relates 2 quantities of the same dimensions, but of different units.
 
@Avantgarde Okay, it's just that Wiki labels amount of substance with dimension symbol N
 
12:42 AM
@Avantgarde The consensus is that it is dimensionless, but it is treated as any other unit because it would be pedantic not to.
I mean, the units cancel out because it expresses a ratio
 
well yes, it's just a number
just that it helps with dimensional analysis when doing chemistry
 
Metrology is this little island of philosophy that somehow landed inside Physics...
 
I've never used Candelas either
 
Philosophers could discuss the metaphysical implications of the candela and the radian, but physicists are better than that! That's why we shut up and calculate :P
 
while they find god in quantum mechanics
facepalm
 
12:57 AM
I don't care what they say "amount" is not a dimension
And mol is a dimensionless unit
It'd be like saying $\pi$ or $e$ or $\phi$ have dimensions, which is nonsense
 
I agree. I just remembered that mol was in the list of fundamental dimensions. But I'm not really sure why it's in there. Probably just for convenience and a historical remnant
 
Just use electronvolts everywhere and forget about any other unit
I'd like $2 * 10^{36}$ eV of oranges, please
I don't know if time can be expressed in eV as well, probably not
 
1/eV
in natural units
 
Huh, then you're all set.
Go annoy your nearest grocery store clerk
 
1:25 AM
Interesting how I could technically say $1~\text{rad}=1~\text{mol}$
 
Remember that dimensional analysis is a tool. Regardless of the philosophy over how correct it is to do so, it's often useful to include amount as a dimension; which is why people do it.
And one radian is absolutely not equal to one mole. They're really quite different things, as you know.
 
Yes, of course
 
@LegionMammal978 You cannot say $1~\text{rad}=1~\text{mol}$
radians an moles are well defined constants, being dimensionless doesn't mean they're valueless
 
Well, putting XKCD 1475 aside, I can technically still say that, it just might not be necessarily true
@BernardoMeurer Constants?
 
Yes constants. My radians never vary; nor do my moles.
 
1:32 AM
$N_A$ is a constant, N mol is just $\frac{N}{N_A}$
The units serves the purpose of defining what constant you're comparing it to
Much like dBV or dBmV (logarithmic scales aside)
 
wut
Really, I'm just trying to figure out the difference between (say) m^-3, mol m^-3, and rad m^-3
Could never wrap my head around all that philosophy
 
A measurement isn't the same thing as a dimension.
Dimensions are some kind of equivalence classes of measurements, where the equivalence relation is defined by saying that two measurements are in the same equivalence class if their ratio is unitless.
 
@LegionMammal978 Decibels can have different "starting points", say, 1 millivolt (dBmV) or 1 volt (dBV). The decibel does not care whether you're comparing electric potential or whatever, but the starting point matters.
 
Once you realise you're looking at equivalence classes in a mathematical sense, then you can obsess over whether 1 mol is unitless.
 
@DawoodibnKareem Maybe algebra isn't the most accessible way to explain this :P
 
1:39 AM
Hey, knock yourself out if you want to explain it differently. I'll sit here quietly.
 
So the units may work out to the same ratios, but it still makes sense to differentiate their measurements?
 
I'm just saying, it's not bad, just not accessible
 
OK, but Legion's comments indicate that he/she is confused over the distinction between a measurement and a dimension. If he/she is a mathematician, he/she will understand my comment. If not, I can elaborate. But the starting point is .... "a measurement is not the same thing as a dimension".
 
@LegionMammal978 Yes, it's like saying 1 truckload of potatoes is the same thing as 1 bag of potatoes. Of course, "truckload" and "bag" are defined differently, maybe a tonne and a kilogram. The only thing in common is that both ratios are 1/1 relative to a constant. But that constant is different on each case.
 
@LegionMammal978 The equivalence class idea is nice iff you know what an equivalence class is
But, explain me, what's your confusion on why you can't say a radian is equal to a mol
 
1:43 AM
@BernardoMeurer lol, I mainly just remember them from the definition of the set of integers
 
An equivalence class is a bunch of things with a common property. That's all.
 
@BernardoMeurer I think I might have figured it out sort of?
 
@JaimeGallego 's analogy is good
 
For example, I can separate these measurements - 3kg, 500g, 50km, 1cm, 2cm into two equivalence classes. Formally, I'd define those classes in such a way that two things in the same class have the same dimension.
Now do the same thing to the set of all possible measurements. Then the equivalence classes are the dimensions themselves.
 
Whoops
I did a silly
I meant $1~\text{rad}=1=N_A\times(1~\text{mol})$
 
1:49 AM
That looks wrong for two reasons.
One, you're multiplying where you should be dividing.
Two, you've got an angle on one side of the equation but not the other.
 
@DawoodibnKareem $N_A$ is in $\text{mol}^{-1}$
@DawoodibnKareem I'm saying here that $\text{mol}^{-1}\times\text{mol}=\text{(dimensionless)}=\text{rad}$
 
Yes, but it's not 1 per mole.
 
Or, wait
facepalm
 
And again, you seem to be assuming that measurements are the same thing as dimensions.
 
Could we just forget all that I just said? I apologize for wasting your time, it's 10 and my brain is asleep
I was thinking $1~\text{rad}$ (unit rad) = $1$ (dimensionless) = $N_A^{-1}$ (unit mol)
And my confusion there would be the fact that a certain plane angle corresponds to a certain amount of substance
 
2:06 AM
@BernardoMeurer I always think of following a career in teaching :)
 
2:19 AM
@JaimeGallego God bless you son
 
2:30 AM
In fact, I may do private tutoring this summer to earn some desperately needed €€€.
My sister went to a rich lady's house once to tutor her daughter
And she had an stereotypical maid, with the black and white apron and all
 
2:50 AM
some ¢¢¢
 
I ain't sellin' for that cheap either
 
The German Mark had Gauss on one of its notes. It's gone with the Euro now :(
lots of ¢¢¢
∞¢
 
I just shaved half my thigh with a scalpel
My legs feel like a baby's bum
I'm not sure why I did this
 
tight?
you mean thigh?
 
@Avantgarde Fixed
 
2:58 AM
be prepared for weeklong itching
 
Dammit
Fuck
I did not know that
 
why tho
 
It just seemed like a good idea for a second
Now I don't know
I have like a shaved circle on my leg
 
draw a smiley there
 
@BernardoMeurer That's a funny coincidence, a few days ago I got my legs waxed.
I stopped halfway due to pain
 
3:02 AM
Why the fuck did you wax your legs?
 
Why did you shave your legs with a rusty scalpel?
 
I replaced the blades, not rusty anymore
And because I started testing if the new blade was working
but then I got excited
 
Then I guess we have equally dubious reasons.
 
Now I want to know why did you decide to try waxing your legs
 
Which one of you two was it who wanted to teach stuff to our kids?
 
3:09 AM
The one who waxed his legs
 
@Bernardo My legs are hairy as fuck and it was getting out of control.
 
@JaimeGallego Get an electric razor dawg
They'e great
 
I imagine that shaving one's legs with an electric razor would be extremely painful.
 
Some people are into that
 
I mean - if the hairs are already very long. If you did it frequently, it probably wouldn't hurt.
 
3:24 AM
That concludes the travels of the h bar into the intricacies of men's grooming.
 
Man, I just found out that Kim Kardashian has a PhD in computational physics
 
@Avantgarde Wow. That's almost as startling as finding out that Insane Clown Posse did some foundational work in electromagnetism.
 
@NeuroFuzzy They did! ICP did groundbreaking work
Is ICP that famous? I'm not so much into rap so I don't know if it's a popular group or underground
 
@Avantgarde I suspect you have been misled.
 
@DawoodibnKareem But I just read the abstract of the thesis...
 
3:35 AM
I still believe you have been misled.
 
:D
The guitarist of Queen has a PhD in astrophysics
 
haha
 
@Avantgarde I mean the face paint made it into GTA V, worn by a meth addict, so they're famous in a really, really bad way :P
 
@NeuroFuzzy just googled it. ok
:P
 
3:44 AM
That's not possible, the only band meth addicts listen to is... Crystal Castles
Ba dum tss
 
I got a delete vote! I can't remember ever getting one of those before.
 
4:12 AM
@DawoodibnKareem on this site or on one of the other Stack Exchange sites?
 
120
Q: Am I too 'clever' to be readable by Jr. devs? Too much functional programming in my JS?

Brian BoykoI'm a Sr. front-end dev, coding in Babel ES6. Part of our app makes an API call, and based on the data model we get back from the API call, certain forms need to be filled out. Those forms are stored in a doubly-linked list (if the back-end says some of the data is invalid, we can quickly get...

I'm oddly proud.
The irony of the question is that the first snippet looks like something a fairly experienced developer might write. The second snippet looks like it was written by a novice programmer who's just learnt a new technique.
 
I sometimes have to read code that is decades (literally!) old. Readability is very, very high on my list of key attributes :-)
 
It's very, very high for the vast majority of IT professionals.
The person who asked the question just doesn't get it.
 
4:38 AM
I should write a paper proposing a way of measuring readability in units of money.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:56 AM
Hi
What is difference between linear mass and linear mass density?
 
Can you give us a context?
I suspect that if you've heard or read "linear mass", the speaker/writer meant to say/write "linear mass density" but was just being careless. Knowing the context in which you heard or read it will confirm that (or not confirm it).
 
6:16 AM
 
That's linear density.
 
It should be linear mass density. Saying just linear mass is poor wording
 
Note the units are kg per metre
 
Solution goes like this
Alright so both means same?
 
Yes, as I said, the writer was just being careless when they wrote "linear mass".
 
7:09 AM
How to visualise this situation? What’s going on there?
 
user228700
@JohnR: Morning! :-) Ah, you must be driving back on today...
 
Hi @Kaumudi.H
 
user228700
Hey :-)
 
How were your exams? I hope enjoying holidays now
 
user228700
@Fawad They were alright, thanks :-) Yes, yes, holidays now. How are ur preparations coming along?
 
7:21 AM
Normal preparations
 
user228700
Good :-) Best of luck!
 
Thanks
 
7:44 AM
[Random] What if energy is really not conserved in cosmological scales where the curvature of spacetime is significant, but only conserve at the tangent spaces of the spacetime manifold

If so, then theoretically if we parallel transport from one tangent space to a neightbouring one, the change in energy will be consistent with the change in the curvature of spacetime?
I mean, as the light ray passed through a gravitationally dense region, it gains energy, but that is really because space is contracted relative to regions outside the gravitationally dense object.

But time should be dilated also relative to said frame, thus won't that cancel out the apparent gain in energy due to space looks contracted from that frame?
 
@Secret help me in physics
 
I am busy on ordinals. Unless it is a conceptual question, I won't have time to answer worked problems
 
I want to visualise this question to solve.
Is it open or closed pipe? @Secret what you think?
 
it should typically be open, otherwise you won't gonna get soundwaves in from the top.
(Well you can, with something like closed jar and then send soundwave in by pressing a sound device on top of the lid, which is why for safety I will calculate both cases)

Exam questions are usually more clear through, though I am not sure about JEE because it is well known to be full of ambigurious questions
 
8:04 AM
It’s not jee question. It’s physics of 11th class student should know.
Here is how problem is solved but I don’t understand by that formula is used
 
@ACuriousMind "Your would-be contradiction is completely bogus."
You just got Motl'd
 
ok ,this is taking too long, I am unable to derive that formula
 
8:19 AM
I got secret
Distance between two nodes is lambda/2 =length of pipe. So avelenght=2l
L is distance between two ends
Speed=wavelength *frequency
@Secret
 
ok, I have been think about too many overtones, that's why
 
8:51 AM
ded chat
 
blargh
I am dead
 
apparently not
 
9:06 AM
I am become dead
 
So what is the definition of solder forms
Is it for a generic fiber bundle on its vertical space
Or is it for vector bundles
Or is it that, for vector bundles, the vertical space is isomorphic to itself
"However, for a vector bundle there is a canonical isomorphism between the vertical space at the origin and the fibre VoE ≈ E. Making this identification, the solder form is specified by a linear isomorphism"
Ah yes
 
it's the choice of the isomorphism innit
 
I'm guessing that for the frame bundle, the vertical bundle is the $\Bbb R^n \approx T_pM$
 
9:38 AM
Who are these guys that still have documents in postscripts
 
i know right???
 
10:09 AM
one time I even found a paper in tex
I had to compile it myself
Those lazy bums
 
@Slereah they were actually expecting you to just read the tex ... :D
 
Well, it's doable, but it's not very fun
Like when I read the chat on my phone and all the formulas are in raw tex
 
[resists posting a spectral sequence written in unparsed tex]
 
I've always been too lazy to install the tex plugin for the chat
 
You don't even need to install it
It's just a link
Just add a bookmark to this URL :
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All in one line
 
10:24 AM
hmm
just a bookmark
let's try this
$ \int dV $
 
then once you're on the chat, click on that bookmark
and it will render mathjax
You need the dollars
$\int dV$
 
I fear it does not work
 
10:43 AM
Hey does someone know a link to a derivation of $dQ/T = dS$? I only found questions here on SE about what entropy is in general but no derivation of this formula
 
Derivation from what, statistical mechanics?
 
isn't that like the definition of entropy in thermodynamical sense
 
Yeah, it's one of the axiom of thermodynamics
The derivation only happens in quantum contexts
 
there's that other log Omega definition i dunno what the hell is
The statistical mechanics definition I suppose
 
Microstates
$S = k \ln(\Omega(E))$
 
10:46 AM
I heard about microstates but didn't met them yet, so it's more like a definition?
 
It is the definition of entropy, yes
 
dS = del Q/T is a definition
@Slereah so what does Omega(E) mean
 
For a system in a configuration $C$, the entropy is $S = k \ln(\Omega(C))$
 
In my physics book Tipler&Mosca there is kinda a derivation but as often in physicists literature it's written sloppy and not understandable for a learner
 
where $\Omega(C)$ is the number of microstates that lead to the macroscopic configuraiton $C$
For instance if you take a system of two particles, that have only two states $|0 \rangle$ and $|1\rangle$
With the energy being $0$ and $1$
 
10:49 AM
what does energy being 0 mean
or am i supposed to handwave on that
 
The entropy of energy $0$ will be $0$ because only the system $|0\rangle \otimes |0\rangle$ has energy 0
Eigenvalue of the Hamiltonian
 
Ah I see
 
So $S = k \ln (\Omega(0)) = k \ln (1) = 0$
But if you take the energy $1$, there are two possible states
$|0 \rangle \otimes |1 \rangle$ and $|1 \rangle \otimes |0 \rangle$
so $S = k \ln(2)$
 
Got it.
 
ok but about it being a definition, we know $dQ_{rev}$ is a inexact differential and it's stated often that $1/T$ is something called a integrating factor making $dQ_{rev}/T$ an exact differential how is that so?
 
10:52 AM
@Felix.C $x^2 dy + xy dx$ is not an exact 1-form, but dividing by $x$ you get an exact 1-form.
It's like that. I don't know what it physically means though.
 
the thermodynamic explanation is usually "Inexact differentials have more than one path between two points!"
 
what is a 1-form?
 
Similar to a vector
 
@Felix same as differential
it's the official mathematical terminology for a differential
 
it's a linear mapping on vectors, isn't it?
 
10:59 AM
yes
 
on tangent vectors yup
 
@Kaumudi.H yes. I'm home!! :-)
 
@BalarkaSen I thought 1-forms only make sense on differentiable manifolds :<
 
They do
You only get tangent vectors on differentiable manifolds
 
That's true. Why the confused face?
 
11:01 AM
@Slereah I understand that $dQ_{rev}$ is not an exact differential since Q_{rev} not a state function hence path dependant as you said, but why would dividing it by T making that better? Entropy is a state function but from first law of thermo we know work and heat are somewhat equivalent so how could integrating $dQ_{rev}/T$ give us the change of the system? We don't consider work here do we?
 
To be honest I don't really know what the whole thermodynamic differential structure is
it is poorly explained usually
 
i have heard it's like a symplectic structure
 
@BalarkaSen because you said "on tangent vectors yup" - sounded like that was a special case
 
ok :( thanks anyway
 
@Felix.C post that question on the main page
 
11:03 AM
@Sanya Well, you'll see some people saying alternating multilinear forms $V \times V \cdots V \to \Bbb R$ on vector spaces as "k-forms". But I generally use that terminology when $V$ is a (varying) tangent space $T_pM$ of a differentiable manifold $M$ (well, tangent bundle, but whatever man)
 
I think we are in lack of high quality questions anyway
@BalarkaSen ok, that makes sense
 
∫_∫
 
w cry
 
11:19 AM
test: $ \int \partial $
nah, still doesn't work ... well, whatever, thanks @Slereah anyway :)
 
•_•
 
So, if I am understanding this correctly, $1~\text{mol}=6.022141...\times 10^{23}$ (where the RHS dimensionless) in the same way that $1~\text{lb}=0.45359237~\text{kg}$. Correct?
 
I think the trick for the string action is indeed $\det X^* g$
$$(X^* g)(u,v) = g(dX(u), dX(v)) = g_{\mu\nu} \partial_a X^\mu \partial_b X^\nu$$
 
@Avantgarde got some dank music reco for me?
 
11:43 AM
After some checking $X^* g$ is indeed $g_{\mu\nu} \partial_a X^\mu \partial_b X^\nu$
Per the coordinate formula of differential map
 
@BalarkaSen Anytime! You said you liked psychedelic stuff, right?
I have some new stuff, not from the 70s. But it's really nice.
 
Yup, go ahead
 
It's about 15 mins long. So sit back and enjoy
 
Thanks, lemme see.
 
11:57 AM
:)
 
12:13 PM
@Avantgarde Huh, good shit. Not super great but interesting.
@Danu sounds like asmr musicified lol
 
It get a bit more intense later on
I really like it
do you experience ASMR?
 
i do but i don't really like standard talky stuff
 
Dmitri does some really good sound effects
 
@BalarkaSen Glad you liked it
@BalarkaSen You know Blue Oyster Cult?
 
12:25 PM
superficially
 
Does the first fundamental form have a special name in Minkowski space?
 
"Minkowski metric"
 
Hm, ok. I don't know much about 70s psychedelic rock. Camel?
 
Thanks
 
eh I'm so out of touch with Camel that I won't be able to recommend a song.
 
12:27 PM
I had to google that one, so no :)
 
I remember this youtu.be/QLncD0ta2jQ
 
You know what, I should listen to Joy Division at some point
 
I looked that band up just yesterday or so :P
 
good, let's hear it together :P
 
12:30 PM
They only have 2 albums or something, and the second one being critically acclaimed
 
yeah I realized they were quite popular
 
oh, "Unknown Pleasures" is their debut. sorry
 
It's ok, but it's not blowing me away
 
Hmm
 
want some psychedelic black metal?
:D
 
12:35 PM
what's black metal
 
fast, distorted guitars, shrieking,..
 
oh god
eh sure what the hell
 
@BalarkaSen I like crinkling mostly
@BalarkaSen lel
@BalarkaSen There is a documentary about the lead singer which is supposed to be good
 
@Danu Dmitri's videos might be good for you; check out his 10 hour long thing
I have heard a lot of interesting things about Ian Curtis
 
12:40 PM
Is $ds^2 = g_{\mu \nu} dx^{\mu} dx^{\nu}$ the same thing as an interval squared or is it the line element squared?
 
It's just a scalar
 
All the same thing @Lozansky
invariant interval, interval, line element
 
For two basis vector of the cotangent bundle $dx^\mu$ and $dx^\nu$, $ds^2$ is the product $g(dx^\mu, dx^\nu)$
 
@Avantgarde Fun, fun. Not too extreme fortunately :P
 
@BalarkaSen haha, yeah it's not very extreme. Definitely a fun band
 
12:50 PM
@Slereah Hm, so the distance squared between two events $x^{\mu}$ and $x^{\mu}+dx^{\mu}$ can be represented by $g_{\mu \nu} dx^{\mu} dx^{\nu}$?
 
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Hey guys, if anyone is free could you take a minute to tell me what exactly is wrong with my question. why isn't it getting any answers or even comments? I read many related posts on meta, etc. but i still couldnt figure what was wrong. some suggested asking on the h bar.... [heres the question]physics.stackexchange.com/questions/334421/…)
sorry for interrupting the discussion..
 
1:05 PM
@alex Perhaps it's just a difficult question that nobody knows/cares to answer...
Such is life on PSE, sometimes ^^
 
SBM
hello
right :|
 
it's pretty much factual so it cant be that hard.....also it can't be that boring that even a bounty doesn't make any difference...
 
zup SBM
@alex maybe no one has the necessary expertise to answer it. Also those who can answer might not have been online or seen the question
 
SBM
@Avantgarde zup?
 
how's it going
 
1:10 PM
So that's just it then..?
 
SBM
@Avantgarde I'm good, thanks; what about you?
 
@SBM So we're both good :)
 
SBM
@Avantgarde good to hear
 
@alex Apparently, yeah.
 
@alex My guess is that there's just nobody who saw it who though about this stuff
 
1:13 PM
oh..... thanks anyway...
 
Hope you get your answers soon
 
SBM
same
 

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