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2:00 PM
@BernardoMeurer Why are you asking programming questions here? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask your question in the C chat room of Stack Overflow?
 
@nbro It's none of your business where I ask my questions
 
@BernardoMeurer ? I could easily answer your question, since I have some experience writing C code, but I'm not going to because of your attitude.
 
@BernardoMeurer Do the traditional ritual
 
Oh no! What am I going to do now??
 
Add * to your variables until it works
 
2:03 PM
@Slereah lol
 
***&***&*&&**p = *&**&*&*&*&****&**&i
 
I think I'm misassigning my function pointers inside the data structures
 
@BernardoMeurer There's a reason between being simply stubborn and being stubborn for a reason. You're simply stubborn.
 
It is especially bad when you have to do tensor
Imagine doing the Riemann tensor with pointers
 
@nbro hahaha
Why do you always piss off people lol
@AccidentalFourierTransform It's a degenerate show.
 
2:07 PM
you are a degenerate show
 
@0celouvskyopoulo7 I'm abusing the compiler
 
det(Simpson)=1
 
@BernardoMeurer The best strategy in situations like this is to grab a piece of paper and a pen
Sketch out the structure
 
@JaimeGallego That's the first thing I always do
Unless it's a stupid struct
The problem here is that somehow the segmentation fault happens wh
AH
Wait
No, yeah, idk what's happening
 
I would try to help but I'm pretty busy atm
 
2:14 PM
I think it's just me being silly somewhere
 
Hello, everyone! I have a doubt in relation to this question: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/299621/the-desitter-group-vs-the-poincare-group-for-a-non-zero-cosmological-constant

In QFT, for the Poincare group to be replaced with the deSitter group, I think the non-zero cosmological constant should suffice. Aren't we sufficiently sure that the cosmological constant is non-zero? If we are then is it a consensus that using the deSitter group is the right way rather than using the Poincare group?
 
But things get tricky when you have a bunch of custom types and files and associated functions
 
The cosmological constant is sufficiently small that it doesn't really matter
 
Hmm
Maybe this Sobolev space is like
weighted $L^p$
+ weighted $L^p$ of derivatives at infinity
 
Current models do give a non-zero cosmological constant, yes
due to the accelerated expansion
 
2:17 PM
I guess that's a weaker norm that usual Sobolev, which is not good...
ugh, wtf
this guy uses three different notations for what I think is the same space
but never defines it
Well now wait a moment
$W^{0,p}$ is just $L^p$
 
waits
 
@Slereah I beg you, please read a book on Sobolev so I can someone to talk to about this
"Sobolev Spaces" by Adams is wonderful
 
Well
 
"Weakly Differentiable Functions" by Ziemer
 
I do have a lot of free time in that CSS class
Waiting for all the others to finish the exercizes
 
2:32 PM
"Functional Analysis, Sobolev Spaces, and PDE" by Brezis
 
You'd better sweeten the pot with one useful theorem of sobolev spaces
 
@Slereah If $\Omega\subset \Bbb R^n$ is open, bounded, with $C^\infty$ derivative, then the equation $\Delta\varphi=g\in C^\infty(\Omega)$ in $\Omega$, $\varphi=f\in C^\infty (\partial\Omega)$ on $\partial\Omega$ can be solved for a unique $\varphi\in C^\infty(\bar\Omega)$.
 
maybe you should read some QFT instead
I think it even has sobolev spaces in it
"There exists a refinement of the notion of wave front set, based on the concept of Sobolev spaces."
 
I meant $C^\infty$ boundary, not derivative...
@Slereah Do you not want to learn the Hodge theorem?
$$\Omega^k(M)=\mathcal H^k(M)\oplus d\Omega^{k-1}(M)\oplus \delta \Omega^{k+1}(M)$$
$$H^k_\mathrm{dR}(M)\cong \mathcal H^k(M)$$
Wonderful stuff
@Slereah I left a helpful comment on one of your questions
It's only 700 pages in size 10 font...
 
2:56 PM
@BernardoMeurer what's the problem?
 
@JohnRennie God bless
I made a whole mess
@JohnRennie Look at parser.c
(Pull the new code)
 
Is your git repo up to date? If so I'll grab a copy.
 
Yep, it is
 
What was the URL again?
 
3:00 PM
OK parser.c ?
 
So what am I looking at?
 
So, that case is the first field in a CSV, which means whenever I get there I want to push tmp to my list
and then start re-filling tmp with the new fields
Make sense?
 
The setTrip function?
 
setTrip is called by parseTrips
parseTrips reads the file and tokenizes
setTrip does the eval
(associates the token to the right struct member)
 
3:03 PM
My lunch is ready now so I'll have to take a break while I scoff it. What's the overall problem?
 
@JohnRennie A SIGSEGV on line 75 caused by head being a null pointer at the very first time the setTrip is called, since it's null the function pointer doesn't exist and it asplodes
 
God dammit John stop eating and please help him
 
Dear peterh i like NIVED NAMBIAR , IT FEEL S NE BETTER — NIVED NAMBIAR May 6 at 17:02
 
@0celouvskyopoulo7 I can't debug when I'm weak with hunger :-)
@BernardoMeurer I'll see if I can strip out the non-compiling bits and get it to compile. Then I can run it in the MSVC debugger.
 
@Slereah @BernardoMeurer what's a .e file and how do I open it?
 
3:12 PM
@JohnRennie It shouldn't be too hard. Just find a strtok that will work for empty fields, and then replace strptime with some stdio magic, also asprintf
asprintf can be turned into an sprintf I think
 
0
Q: How to evaluate the Green's function using path integral approach for harmonic oscillator Hamiltonian in coherent states?

user135580 For the given Hamiltonian, $H=\sum_{i}a^{\dagger}_{i}a_{i}$, how one could evaluate the green's function using path integral approach? Particularly how one could do that in brute force method similar to the one that of simple harmonic oscillator green's function evaluated in phase space using p...

Too broad?
 
@0celouvskyopoulo7 .e? No clue
@0celouvskyopoulo7 .e is a tax file format according to google
according to me it's from the AMIGA compiler
 
btw obe is still alive
 
I know, he wrote me on Skype the other day
@JohnRennie Correct, asprintf() can be replaced by a static allocation and sprintf()
 
@BernardoMeurer "Put this file into a new directory called SRIM-2013, and rename the file to SRIM-2013.exe."
halp
what does that mean
what's a new directory?
 
3:21 PM
What on earth are you doing?
directory=folder
 
trying to install a virus
I'm trying to hack someone's computer
 
Sigh
@0celouvskyopoulo7 Can't you use Mathematica for that?
 
what?
Apparently my "disk is full"
wtf
 
Lol
open terminal
do df -h
See if it's true
 
How do I open a terminal on PC?
 
3:24 PM
Ah!
 
You're on Windows
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform sftu
 
nevermind then
I only know POSIX tools
Filesystem             Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
dev                    3.9G     0  3.9G   0% /dev
run                    3.9G  1.5M  3.9G   1% /run
/dev/mapper/cryptroot  215G   57G  148G  28% /
tmpfs                  3.9G  277M  3.6G   8% /dev/shm
tmpfs                  3.9G     0  3.9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs                  3.9G  1.9M  3.9G   1% /tmp
/dev/sda1              510M   50M  461M  10% /boot
/dev/sdb5              458G  427G  7.2G  99% /mnt/Media
tmpfs                  789M   20K  789M   1% /run/user/120
 
I have a disk tool, let's see
 
3:25 PM
time to delete some porn
 
win dir stat
@BernardoMeurer what's that?
do you mean corn?
 
yeah, time to delete some corn
 
@0celouvskyopoulo7 Windows-R to open the Run dialog then type cmd
 
ahahahah
I know why my disk is full
I have 50 GB of videos on here
I accidentally recorded hours of gameplay
 
@JohnRennie You may also want to just implement strsep()
Which I should do actually
 
3:29 PM
@BernardoMeurer I'm way ahead of you :-)
 
Dangit :P
 
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Q: Is there a windows variant of strsep()

ProfessionalAmateurI'm trying to parse a delimited string that has some empty parameters. Example: "|One|two|three||octopus|garbagecan||cartwheel||||" Basically I need to be able to pull out any segment by id, and if the segment is empty return null. strtok doesn't handle the empty fields, and it looks like ...

 
:^)
I like to get stuff from Linux's implementation, it's generally cleaner than GNU's libc
 
Does anyone understand what this comment is asking?
what would be the "tiniest" change to the action integrand $R\sqrt{-g}$ that would make it time invariant and thus keep energy conserved formally? — hyportnex 9 mins ago
 
@BernardoMeurer I deleted 6GB Skyrim video lol
There's so much crap on my hard drive
@BernardoMeurer I can't figure this out
 
3:33 PM
@0celouvskyopoulo7 What?
 
It compiles! And it crashes as you describe.
I have to wash up the lunch things then answer a question on axial geodesics in the Kerr metric, then I'll get on to your app.
 
Guys, I understand that the term in parentheses is the potential at point $r_i$ due to all the other charges. However, why do we call this $V(r_i)$? Shouldn’t $V(r_i)$ be the potential at $r_i$ due to all charges? Apparently, the contribution of $q_i$ to the potential at the position of $q_i$ is zero - but I don’t see how?
 
@JohnRennie No worries John, there's no rush :)
 
3:51 PM
Hi all, I believe we have a chat session coming up?
 
cool, so what should we talk about... I guess there are a couple meta posts or something?
 
We should talk about physics.
 
-3
Q: Please down vote questions carefully

mmesser314First, valid points are made in both Down-voting questions: Please state your rationale and Snobs and down-voters. That is, we need down votes because they discourage poor posts. And it is helpful to have a good attitude and thick skin when you get a down vote. That said, we need to not overdo ...

 
I vote...mass in general relativity
 
3:58 PM
:: carefully downvotes ::
 
(@JohnRennie Walking home, be back in ~20 minutes)
 
Hi all, I made this a bit more acceptable hopefully. Would be grateful of some reopen votes. physics.stackexchange.com/questions/333480
 
@0celouvskyopoulo7 Bondi or ADM?
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform ADM
 
no, that's the boring one
I like my geodesics null
 
4:00 PM
@AccidentalFourierTransform I guess so.
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform In particular, why if the metric is in $W^{1,p}_\mathrm{loc}$, then why is $\Delta_gx^i\in L^p_{-\tau}$, where $\tau$ is the asymptotic decay of the metric and $x^i$ are the infinity structure coordinates
 
OK, anyway let's get started with the chat session. Welcome everybody!
 
Please hold off on unrelated discussion until we've finished with the listed topics
 
Oh come on @DavidZ
 
4:01 PM
Here's the agenda for today's session:

1. Intro, welcome newcomers, site questions (5m)
2. Recent physics developments (10m)
3. Miscellaneous stuff, meta posts and the like (5?m)
Introductions first: who here is new to chat, new to chat sessions, or new to the site?
 
I'm new
 
rob
I think this is perhaps the first time I've been around for a chat session.
 
@RobertFrost cool, welcome :-)
 
can we push the chat session away to $\infty$ by a smooth conformal transformation?
 
@DavidZ I have never been introduced in a chat session. Please?
 
4:02 PM
@DavidZ thanks. Actually I'm busy working, just keeping one eye on this.
 
@0celouvskyopoulo7 that's up to you, it's not like we do introductions for each other
@rob haha, well then. Welcome I guess?
 
Hello everyone, I am 0celouvskiopoulo7
 
@RobertFrost that's cool
 
What do people do for fun around here?
 
BTW @RobertFrost asking for reopen votes for your question isn't exactly chat session material - it's fine to post about it in chat but it's not something we need to dedicate a time slot to
 
4:04 PM
@orthocresol fun is not permitted
 
lol
 
who is orthocrestol
 
@DavidZ you mean this one physics.stackexchange.com/questions/333480 ? Sure I don't want a time slot. Just made the question fit the rules so was looking to get it reopened
 
@RobertFrost you pinged the wrong person
 
rob
@0celouvskyopoulo7 I think that's what happens when one types @o instead of @0 and uses the tab complete.
 
4:06 PM
@orthocresol yeah. sorry. @Rumplestillskin nailed it
 
@RobertFrost Yeah, that's fine. For future reference it's better to ask for people to take a look at your question and vote as they see fit; asking people to vote a particular way (e.g. please upvote, please downvote, please vote to reopen, etc.) can be seen as a bit tacky.
But I'm sure your question will get the appropriate eyes on it before long.
 
@DavidZ I'm not vain. Feel free to think me tacky
 
(it can be worse than tacky in some cases)
 
@DavidZ but point taken
!!! REOPEN MY QUESTION !!!
 
I'll take a look at it myself after the chat session.
 
4:07 PM
Is that better?
 
lol
 
@0celouvskyopoulo7 music
listening, I mean
 
Anyway, let's move on to recent physics developments. What's new or interesting lately?
Here's one that I was surprised to see in PRL: Holography of Wifi Radiation
 
I discovered gravity yesterday
 
4:09 PM
too late
 
Gravity has been known for a while @Slereah
 
Well excuse me
 
Some of us were busy
 
4:12 PM
@Secret I love their sample image on that page
 
converting a frown into a smile
 
I do not really understand how the electronic stuff works, but the data is pretty:
 
looks like the skin of a dragon
neat
 
4:17 PM
@Secret exoplanet?
 
@Slereah I haven't heard back from the French people
Can you swing by their office and ask for the stuff pls?
I will send you flowers
 
A bit far from my house
 
Anyway, let's get to the couple things I wanted to mention before we break
-3
Q: Please down vote questions carefully

mmesser314First, valid points are made in both Down-voting questions: Please state your rationale and Snobs and down-voters. That is, we need down votes because they discourage poor posts. And it is helpful to have a good attitude and thick skin when you get a down vote. That said, we need to not overdo ...

 
4:19 PM
I think the community has seen that probably, but just in case anyone hasn't
Here's another one worth noting:
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Q: Answering "Homework-Like" Questions With Hints

JMacIt occurred to me today that I don't know what a good approach is for providing hints to homework-like questions. I cannot find any clear policy on how this should work. The example that brought it to my attention is this question. My initial reaction was to comment with a question to help poi...

And I guess this can be a general reminder to check in on the meta site from time to time, if you're interested in such things. (All meta questions are also automatically linked from chat)
 
oh my god
I hate math
can I do physics?
this paper has $W_{\quad 1\quad \tau}$
It's supposed to be $W_{-1-\tau}$
The signs didn't get scanned correctly
 
Also I - or I guess the mod team as a whole - wanted to remind people not to jump to flagging posts too quickly. When someone says something mildly objectionable, the first response in most cases is to tell them. Flags are for when things escalate.
Not that anything happened recently to make this a necessary comment (not that I know of anyway), but we were discussing it in our mod chat.
Anyway that's all I've got.
Oh, wait, one more:
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Q: Why does a yellow object turn white under a yellow light? Shouldn't it turn yellow instead?

David A.Recently I was eating a yellow rice for lunch in a restaurant with only yellow lights. But the rice looked white! I was intrigued by this because I always thought it should look yellow since the yellow pigment reflects only yellow light, but the rice looked really, really white. Why is that? I th...

Someone suggested this for migration to biology SE, but there were no close votes cast on it. I hope we're right in taking that as an indication that the community considers it on topic.
 
migrate the shit out of that post. I only want QFT questions here
 
I answered a QFT question on chemistry SE
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform Remember your irony signs
 
4:29 PM
irony?
 
Isn't there an emoji for that?
(is "emoji" plural? does it have a singular form?)
 
🤔
 
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Q: Is there an emoticon to express irony?

Dimitri C.I use irony rather often, but in written texts such as email I'm often afraid that it might be misinterpreted by the reader. Therefore I'd like to use an emoticon to make the irony explicit, but I'm not sure which one is most often used for this purpose. Which one would be most suited?

 
Really makes you think
$\huge 🤔$
 
I see a box
 
4:31 PM
👌👌
 
rob
I thought the emoticon for irony or sarcasm was the hamburger {|}
 
A capital letter E, made out of iron?
 
@TerryBollinger good for reaching through the internet and thwacking people
@RobertFrost heh, nice
 
4:32 PM
😂
god I hate people
 
♪(*^^)o∀*∀o(^^*)♪
Ahh
How do I break the thingie
ε=ε=ε=ε=ε=ε=┌(; ̄◇ ̄)┘
 
@0celouvskyopoulo7 what page of Ringstrom is the thing
 
vzn
@Secret thx for sharing, reminds me of (newer) Verlinde theories ("emergent gravity"), am a fan myself
 
No omegas today
 
4:34 PM
 
$\huge 🦍$
 
@Slereah literally all of it
He proves the stability of cosmological models with inhomogeneities
I bought it yesterday on a sale
 
Ah, it seems to be mostly page 44
"However, it would be desirable to know that ‘almost isotropy’ of the CMB implies ‘almost isotropy’ of the universe; i.e., to have an ‘almost EGS’ theorem."
 
(@JohnRennie Back)
 
4:40 PM
@BernardoMeurer My Mum rang literally the moment you said you were leaving, and I've been listening to her talking about the church fete for 40 minutes! So I haven't looked at your code.
Let me finish off my GR answer and then I'll have a look at the code. 5 mins I promise.
 
@Slereah I heard that the main theorem takes 3 pages to state
 
@JohnRennie Hahaha, that's lovely
No worries :)
 
there are incredibly technical conditions
 
Unfortunate
 
@BernardoMeurer you're going to need some special case code to catch the creation of the first element in the list.
 
4:52 PM
"As a consequence, it may seem sufficient to consider spatially homogeneous spacetimes.
However, examples indicate that such a restriction might be inappropriate."
noooo
Cosmology was a lie all along
 
@JohnRennie ::grunts::
How do I even do this?
 
Just create a trip with the prev and next pointers set to null.
 
"As a consequence, the near isotropy of the CMB does not, in itself, imply that the universe is approximately isotropic."
I should start the GR book on the school laptop
Also put my giant mass of physics papers on it
 
@JohnRennie Let me try adding this to the beginning of setTrip()
 
BTW it's almost time for our chat session to be over, so I might as well declare it closed (for all that means). See everyone for the next one in two weeks!
 
4:57 PM
if(*head == NULL){
    *head = mktrip_n(**tmp);
}
@JohnRennie Fail
 
$$\omega^{\epsilon_0^{\epsilon_0^{\omega}}}$$
 

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