The h Bar

DanielSank

00:00

That's probably a good way to think of why they're so nice.

0celo7

Something like that

@DanielSank I think they're nice because they're $f(z)$ and not $f(x,y)$. If you have $y$ dependence you automatically have $x$ dependence in a nice way.

$f(x,y)=y^2$ is bad in a sense because $x$ is "lost"

Well not so bad, it's real analytic :P

DanielSank

@0celo7 Clearly not invertible.

0celo7

@DanielSank Almost all functions are not invertible

(inb4 ACM memorized chapter 2 of Hirsch and is ready to fire with density theorems of diffeomorphisms)

(not that he would torture himself with that much analysis)

DanielSank

@0celo7 Yours isn't even locally invertible.

It's a fraud.

ACuriousMind

51

A: Why are differentiable complex functions infinitely differentiable?

The existence of a complex derivative means that locally a function can only rotate and expand. That is, in the limit, disks are mapped to disks. This rigidity is what makes a complex differentiable function infinitely differentiable, and even more, analytic. For a complex derivative to exist,...

0celo7

00:06

@ACuriousMind Um, that doesn't explain why $C^1$ complex is so much more powerful than $C^1$ real.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, I mean that's the "standard" explanation.

ACuriousMind

Oh, also read the answer by Yuan above that

Being $az+b$ for complex numbers is a much more restricted kind of transformation in the plane than being $Ax + B$ for $A$ a real 2x2 matrix and $B$ a real 2-vector

0celo7

Ah, interesting.

ACuriousMind

the first is: scale+rotation+translation, while the latter is an arbitrary affine transformation

0celo7

I've never really given this much thought.

DanielSank

00:21

@BernardoMeurer That's reasonable.

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank I'm cheap

DanielSank

00:42

@BernardoMeurer Nah bro, it was a good trade.

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank Do you know anyone who's serious about Chess?

0celo7

00:57

Danu

Bernardo Meurer

@Danu Are you around?

I want a travel set for chess, 10" or 12", foldable and if possible magnetic, wooden. Any recommendations on where to get good sets that won't warp and fall apart?

DanielSank

@BernardoMeurer I did in college.

I know someone now who is very good, but hasn't been playing competitively for a while.

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank I'm just looking for someone who might:
a) Have a set to sell used
b) Know of good (or bad) sets to direct me to/away
c) Know someone who has a set for sale

:)

DanielSank

@BernardoMeurer You want a fancy coffee-table one, or a portable one?

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank Portable, folding type with magnets

12" ideally

DanielSank

01:10

@BernardoMeurer o

Bernardo Meurer

What?

I found a couple of good ones, but it's too expensive

I currently play with one I got for 7€ at Flying Tiger, but it sucks horribly and it's about to break

0celo7

lol

Tiger Direct?

Bernardo Meurer

Oops, meant flying tiger

0celo7

@DanielSank I'm looking at classes. How bad would grad level probability be?

Bernardo Meurer

houseofchess.com/…

This is an absolutely awesome set

but way too expensive

DanielSank

01:16

@0celo7 Don't do it.

Art classes are time consuming and difficult.

@BernardoMeurer I'd offer to send it to you but customs will kidnap it.

0celo7

@ACuriousMind :( both the advanced undergrad algebra and the graduate modern algebra classes take place during my heat transfer class, which I have to take.

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank Goddamn it, you are right

I must find an European store

sigh

I hate this country

0celo7

@ACuriousMind I emailed the undergraduate chair to see about moving the undergrad one.

0celo7

01:41

I might have more luck with moving modern algebra. I'd have to study over the summer to have a chance of succeeding though

skill patrol

Don't you want to take the summer off?

0celo7

I applied for REUs, and if I don't get those i'll write my senior thesis

skill patrol

REU?

0celo7

Google.

skill patrol

02:00

Yes Sir.

user228700

02:39

Hi, everyone :-)

skill patrol

Hi.

You're here out of your usual time zone?

skill patrol

03:00

@dmckee have you figured out what's going on with your avatar?

dmckee

@skillpatrol Nope. Haven't even really been thinking about it. Too much happening in real life. Though I did see the ugly gravatar once.

skill patrol

Yup, it's ugly alright :-)

I think I told you once that your regular one looks like James Dean?

Secret

03:49

Thanks for the detailed response. So I guess this falls into the class of "it's not clear what exchange is other than it is an effect"? I'm fine with that. It's just not super satisfying... I would nuance the part of your answer where you say electrostatics blow up when two electrons are at the same position because that would seem to imply we can't find any two electrons at the same position, but we can find opposite spin electrons at the same position. You clarify that later though. Thanks for putting in the work to write all this out though! It's nice to see exactly where exchange shows up. — jheindel Oct 18 '16 at 18:18

Well it has no classical interpretation, but what about the quantum interpretation? What is the state doing when it contribute to the energy via the exchange integral, is it just long range correlations between electrons of like spin?

Secret

04:10

quora.com/…

Ah I see, so the requirement that the wavefunction is antisymmetric impose a correlation to all electrons, because the observables obtained for one or a set of electrons can only take certain values constrained by the wavefunction compared to the case where the antisymmetry is not imposed. Since it involve the whole moelcular wavefunction, it is manifestly nonlocal

Now the question is: Can we make this nonlocal effect stronger by external application of magnetic fields?

(to be investigated)

dmckee

04:27

@Secret It is worth keeping in mind that statistical effects can be quite surprising. There are spherical cow models of polymers in which a force manifests trying to shorten the chain even there there is no energetic difference between a straight (and therefore long) and bendy (and therefore short) one. The cause: entropy maximazation.

And these models do a good job of representing macroscopic properties of tensile polymers like rubber bands.

It's one of the most surprising elementary results I am aware of.

Secret

@dmckee I also heard about similar thing before in the context of protein folding (where the entropic drive of the surrounding water moelcules facilitates the folding), but if it is nonlocal, then how can it manifest without any transfer of information between two distant ends, or is it they collectively achieve this, I wonder if the notion on how fast an emergent effect spread across the system is well defined?

Ok, perhaps another way to phrase my question is that: Are statistical effects (such as the entropic driven shortening of polymer chains) nonlocal?

dmckee

04:48

Certainly not in the sense that relativity requires locality, but that doesn't mean that the overall effect can be easily understood by examining a small region.

Secret

hmm, so it is kinda a collective result of all the components interacting...

GPhys

speaking of relativity, the usefulness of just remembering the lorentz transformation for 4-vectors came out on our E&M midterm

the first question was a 1 GeV $\pi^0$ decaying into two photons and asked the probability of one photon having a energy >0.9 GeV

(solved by doing a Lorentz transformation of the forward-facing photon's energy in the CoM frame)

user228700

05:05

I have a quick question about the dependence of electrical resistivity on temperature. This is the formula to be used (as given in my textbook) for small changes in temperature: $R=R_o(1+\alpha(T-T_o)$

user228700

(This formula is originally for resistivity $\rho$. However, $R \propto \rho$ for small changes in temperature because the fraction $l/A$ remains more or less constant)

user228700

My question is this: My textbook has asked me to refrain from using this formula in those cases in which $T-T_o$ is any more than...well, no strict boundary value has been given--all I know is that it definitely can't be 273 degree Celsius.

user228700

So OK, my question would be: what is the max. value of $T-T_o$ for which this formula would be applicable?

user228700

OK OK, never mind, it turns out that I'm an idiot--it's right here, that this max. value is 100 degree Celsius.

Slereah

06:07

I am slightly less ill

Hurra

user228700

@Slereah Congrats :-P

Slereah

Still not fun but it's not quite unbearable

@GPhys I haven't done a non-hyperbolic Lorentz transform in a while

John Rennie

06:36

@2017 you have made a basic arithmatic error in your question ...

skullpetrol

Top of the morning you @JohnRennie

John Rennie

Morning. You're very Irish this morning :-)

skullpetrol

Yup :-)

Does the IRA still exist, officially?

Slereah

Depends

I think there's the "new IRA", but it depends if you consider it the same as the old one

IRA had some pretty great tunes, tho

My Little Armalite with lyrics

►

user228700

@JohnR: Morning :-)

Slereah

06:42

great tunes to mail bombs by

skullpetrol

The "old IRA" used to conduct tarring and feathering.

Slereah

Classic

Although "tarring" isn't as cartoonishly innocent as you'd think

Since tar is pretty blisteringly hot

2017

@JohnRennie Good morning. I changed the question a bit to make it more clear. I wanted to find the percentage of the initial number of moles expelled. Any idea on how to do it ? (By the way what arithmetic error are you talking about?)

Using V/T=constant I only get the final volume but that is not what I want

I think I'm terribly confused :-P

John Rennie

When you increase the temp by a factor of 5 so the volume increases from V to 5V. A volume V stays in the bottle so 4V is expelled. The expelled air is 400% of the original volume not 500%.

Slereah

on the other hand

Hilarious to do

Cruel, but hilarious

2017

06:47

@JohnRennie Oh yes yes. Sorry about that

Slereah

Take that, stamp act

John Rennie

Since 4V out of 5V is expelled the volume left in the bottle is 1/5V of the original air so 20% is left in the bottle and 80% is expelled.

2017

@JohnRennie Oh dammit! All this time I was thinking like 4V is expelled from the initial V volume! I've gone mad today :-P

Thanks a lot :-)

skullpetrol

That would be -3V, no?

2017

@skullpetrol ;-) No. But I would be graciously awarded with -3 marks in my exam for that. :-)

skullpetrol

06:53

Ouch! I forgot about your negative marks grading system :(

Punishment for trying.

2017

@skullpetrol Hehe, that's true!

user228700

I have a QQ about backbonding in case anybody here knows; my textbook says that the extent of backbonding is inversely proportional to the lewis acid character of the atom. Is this due to the fact that the tendency to donate electrons to the atom with empty orbital will decrease if the atom with the non-bonded electrons is already trying to do this for another atom?

user228700

(Also, I dunno if I've asked this question before .__. )

skullpetrol

Whoever thought up that system was definitely a lazy grader of exams @2017

Like seriously isn't zero low enough?

2017

@skullpetrol They are devils who are keen on grilling us :-P However it is a sort of necessary evil to deter students from attempting question they aren't confident of and wasting time in the process (for the question which they know) .

user228700

07:01

@skullpetrol It's a screening test. Their aim is to get rid of as many students as possible at one go.

user228700

Also uuugh, it looks like I've asked that exact same question before -__- Never mind, guys.

skullpetrol

That's a good point @2017 sort of like a built in time management system?

user228700

@skullpetrol It's really only to get rid of as many students as possible. As a general rule, the examiners couldn't care less about the students.

2017

@Kaumudi.H That is an interesting question. It surely has something to do with size of orbitals.

Like 2p-2p back bonding will be better than 2p-3p

user228700

@2017 Lol, no. My textbook has switched it around; they meant to say that lewis acid character is inversely proportional to back-bonding. Does it make sense this way around?

2017

07:08

@Kaumudi.H Lewis acid character is inversely proportional to size of orbitals, no?

hey

why W$_{irrev}$ is always greater than W$_{rev}$

2017

@skullpetrol I consider it to be something like that to pacify my poor soul :-P

user228700

@2017 Yep.

skullpetrol

@2017 time management during an exam is extremely important.

2017

@Kaumudi.H And how is size of orbital related to back bonding?

More diffuse orbitals will have less back bonding I suppose

But your book says the opposite

user228700

07:12

Yep, that is correct and I see where you're going with this.

John Rennie

@hey it's the other way round.

Principle of maximum work

In the history of science, the principle of maximum work was a postulate concerning the relationship between chemical reactions, heat evolution, and the potential work produced there from. The principle was developed in approximate form in 1875 by French chemist Marcellin Berthelot, in the field of thermochemistry, and then later in 1876 by American mathematical physicist Willard Gibbs, in the field of thermodynamics, in a more accurate form. Berthelot's version was essentially: "every pure chemical reaction is accompanied by evolution of heat." (and that this yields the maximum amount of work...

See also:

1

Q: work done in reversible and irreversible process

According to maximum work theorem work done maximum work is done during reversible process . consider a reversible adiabatic and irreversible adiabatic process that occurs between two states of the system. Now work done in an irreversible adiabatic process is less. Change in internal energy is sa...

thermodynamics

user228700

:-/ It seems that my textbook is wrong in more than one sense; the tendency to form back-bonding will only increase if the atom in need is also a lewis acid.

John Rennie

Chemistry is so hard because there are so many apparently random rules to learn. Give me physics any day!

user228700

...wokay, I understand now. What my textbook is saying that after back-bonding, the atom which used to be in need of electrons has lesser lewis acid character than before.

TheCuriousOne

Yes that is [email protected]

Take the case of BF3 BCl3 BBr3 and BI3

user228700

07:17

Sigh, this is no place for them to bring in the $\propto$ symbol -_- They could've just said it in words.

skullpetrol

@JohnRennie why did you do chemistry for so long then?

TheCuriousOne

Extent of back bonding decreases from BF3 to BI3 and LA char increases..

hey

7

A: Formula of entropy change

A process is thermodynamically reversible if it is essentially at equilibrium. Specifically, the system and its surroundings stay infinitesimally close to equilibrium with each other throughout a reversible process. Small changes in intensive variables of the system are perfectly balanced by cha...

TheCuriousOne

Btw @Kaumudi.H which book? Ncert?

user228700

@TheCuriousOne Right, yeah. The Lewis Acid character is most in BI3.

hey

07:18

@JohnRennie in this it is given Work in irreversible is more

TheCuriousOne

Ok. But i don't think ncert has that statement.

user228700

@TheCuriousOne Nope. It's another book but I literally dunno the name of the author.

John Rennie

@skullpetrol physical chemistry

TheCuriousOne

Ok. Best of luck for 2 Apr @Kaumudi.H

John Rennie

Specifically colloid science, which is kind of physics really :-)

user228700

07:19

Thanks. Best of luck to u as well :-) (BTW, why the heck is ur profile "Not found"? O_o)

2017

@Kaumudi.H Yes. That's it. That was a confusing statement anyway!

TheCuriousOne

Oh try PhysiBoy i recently changed my name

@Kaumudi.H

user228700

Lol, OK...

user228700

@JohnRennie Not the way my textbook has presented it -__-

skullpetrol

Okay @JohnRennie that makes sense :-)

John Rennie

07:22

@Kaumudi.H Colloid science is one of those multidisciplinary areas that requires you to know a bit of everything. That's one of the resons it's so much fun to study.

user228700

Riight.

PhysiBoy

@JohnRennie can you guide me on what is Engineering Physics?

Slereah

@JohnRennie Physics, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, biology, sociology, fine arts, gender studies, hospitality and history

2017

@PhysiBoy It is basically a combo of electronics and UG physics with some coding.

PhysiBoy

Um what? @2017 do our iit's have that course?

2017

07:25

@PhysiBoy Precisely.

user228700

This place is soon going to explode with "What does <name of course> entail?" questions.

skullpetrol

BOOM!!!

2017

@Kaumudi.H True. In May its surely gonna happen and I'll be one of them asking :-P

(Provided I qualify!)

user228700

June, most likely.

2017

ah yes

skullpetrol

07:29

How many hours is the exam?

hey

3

user228700

3 $\times$ 2 = 6 hours.

2017

I should be offline now. Bye people :-)!

hey

Ah yes two papers

skullpetrol

Cya.

John Rennie

07:30

@Slereah and drinking. The evening bar sessions at colloid science conferences were ... lively :-)

Slereah

was there anything in suspension in those drinks?

white russian would be a fine colloidal drink

skullpetrol

Did you have lava lamps? :P

For those following along :-)

user228700

BTW, Coca Cola+Red Bull= Trainwreck

skullpetrol

:-O

user228700

Tastes like cough syrup mixed with coke >.<

skullpetrol

07:43

Train wreck = ?

user228700

Tastes extremely crappy is what I meant.

skullpetrol

Yup.

user228700

I gotta do what I gotta do, I guess :-/ Red Bull is too expensive to keep buying, which is why I mixed it with a bottle of coke. Fml.

user228700

Plus, I can't drink it cold--the chance of acquiring tonsillitis is too damn high.

user228700

Lukewarm red bull and coke. Yep. Fml indeed.

user228700

07:48

No sympathies? :'-( OK.

skullpetrol

Life is tough.

You said it already you gotta do what you gotta do.

Secret

[A quantum exercise to be done] investigate the relative angle of the spin vector of two electrons separated by a distance r on their coloumbic repulsion

user228700

@skullpetrol :-/ Yeah, I guess.

skullpetrol

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic.

user228700

:-) I understand.

user228700

07:51

Boy, all this caffeine is making me hungry.

skullpetrol

:-)

I was just about to comment on the effects of caffeine.

user228700

@skullpetrol I'm quite aware. I'm not drinking this alarming concoction for the heck of it; gots to stay awake.

skullpetrol

Focus on that.

user228700

OK, I'll shut up :-P

Kenshin

hello

Why drink redbull for?

Slereah

08:03

caffeine

Kenshin

yes but redbull isn't good for the body

better to drink some tea

Slereah

yes, because of caffeine

Kenshin

no a little bit of caffeine is actually good for the body

Slereah

yes, but not really good for a caffeine boost

Kenshin

yes a large caffeine boost isnt' good for the body

Slereah

08:05

trust me if you're accustomed to redbull, tea isn't gonna do anything to you

I once drank a can of redbull and then took a nap

Kenshin

lol

that's crazy bro

Redbull should be illegal

user228700

Pretty sure my veins are running with pure caffeine, not blood at this point.

Slereah

it's quite tiresome

Eh.

Kenshin

it can cause arythmias

Slereah

Redbull isn't any worse than an expresso

Kenshin

08:06

@Kaumudi.H why do you need the caffeine? Exams coming up?

user228700

Yep.

Kenshin

oh wen r dey?

user228700

They start on April 2nd.

Kenshin

wow

goodluck

user228700

Thanks :-)

Kenshin

08:07

how many

user228700

6-7 over the course of two months.

Kenshin

yea

what r u gonna do after dat?

user228700

In the summer "break"? No idea. I'm probably gonna try to get my drivers' license.

user228700

...OK, I've decided against buying some more cans of it.

skullpetrol

Good decision.

There really are no short cuts this close to the examination period. It's all about practicing and extending your time management skills at this point.

1 hour ago, by skullpetrol

@2017 time management during an exam is extremely important.

@Kaumudi.H

2017

08:38

In the Maxwell distribution why is it correct to say that $\frac{T_2}{M_B} > \frac{T_1}{M_A}$ from the above graph ? If A and B were the same gases then it would be correct to say that $T_2>T_1$. However I've no idea how $\frac{T_2}{M_B} > \frac{T_1}{M_A}$ is a valid conclusion from this graph. Any suggestions ?

@JohnRennie Are you around ?

John Rennie

I'm working for the next few minutes. Back in a bit ...

2017

Sure sure

Oh, btw $M_A$ stands for molar mass of gas A

And $M_B$ for B...

Ah, I think it might be because the most probable speed is given as $$\sqrt\frac{2RT}{M}$$. As the MPS is higher for gas B that's why perhaps

Oh oh that is it I guess ^

user228700

@skullpetrol Uhh, thanks, I guess, but I'm only doing this so that it's possible for me to survive on less sleep than usual.

user228700

Anyhoo.

2017

Maxwell plot is difficult to grasp at first :-P. I think I got it now.

@skullpetrol Indeed it is! Most people spend 2 hours on Physics section and don't have time left to do the easy Chemistry questions

It is important to select questions properly

I always do all the easy questions first :-)

skullpetrol

08:51

You should've decreased your hours slept gradually over many months then @Kaumudi.H if that was your goal, right?

2017

@skullpetrol How can reducing sleep be a goal ? LOL

It damages the brain slowly

user228700

@skullpetrol To 3 hours a day for several months on end? Nope, that wasn't the goal.

skullpetrol

Some people can do it.

Look at med interns.

2017

It is better to reduce the time one spends procrastinating :-)

skullpetrol

Now that^ is good time management.

Secret

08:57

Claim: Science is generous, magic is selfish

skullpetrol

:-/

Too vague.

Secret

Easy: note how in most stories that has both science and magic, science can be done by anyone (because it is objective) but magic is only possible for a small community even if it is well known in the setting

Harry Potter and Star Wars does confuse things further though, by suggesting a scientific mechanism to acquire their respective magic

Genetics and midochondrians respectively

user228700

Does anybody here know about gerade and ungerade molecular orbitals?

2017

@Kaumudi.H Yeah, what is the question

gerade just means symmetric

user228700

I'm having some trouble understanding what my textbook is saying about them.

user228700

09:10

In the following sentence:

user228700

> "If the wave function is centrosymmetric, i.e. has the same sign at the same distance in opposite directions from the center of symmetry..."

user228700

What do they mean by "center of symmetry"?

2017

They mean MOs like these^

user228700

Oh, so the center of symmetry is just...the center of symmetry. Stupid me .__. OK, thanks.

2017

And not the unsymmetrical ones like i.sstatic.net/FVet9.png

John Rennie

09:13

@2017 Yes. In the MB distribution $T$ and $m$ only appear as the ratio $T/m$. So the distribution is in effect a function of $T/m$.

user228700

Right. We can't classify these are being either gerade or ungerade, yes?

2017

@Kaumudi.H Right

user228700

Alright, thanks very much :-)

2017

@JohnRennie Right! Thanks...I figured that out after a couple of minutes :-)

Thank you !

Maxwell's plot is really strange

:-P

user228700

...under those terms, why is it that $\sigma_{1s}$ is gerade?

user228700

09:17

user228700

When flipped about the vertical, the signs do change, which means that it's not gerade, right?

2017

Wait a second! Since when did s orbitals start carrying (+) or (-) sign ?

Is that some other convention?

skullpetrol

Feynman once said, "what makes planets go around the sun? At the time of Kepler some people answered this problem by saying that there were angels behind them beating their wings and pushing the planets around an orbit. As you will see, the answer is not very far from the truth. The only difference is that the angels sit in a different direction and their wings push inward." @Secret Now is that magic or science?

user228700

@2017 I was literally just wondering about that :-|

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H that's the anti-bonding orbital ...

user228700

09:20

Geez, yes, that is the anti-bonding orbital.

user228700

...in any case, I think I understand now. Woot! Thanks.

2017

The antibonding orbitals won't be gerade it seems.

user228700

@2017: From where did u learn about this?

user228700

@2017 Yes, they'd be ungerade...

2017

@Kaumudi.H I don't remember actually :-P It is not in syllabus anyway

user228700

09:24

I've been struggling to get a grip on all these terms and definitions for awhile now. Does anybody know of a good source? (Other than Google)

user228700

@2017 It certainly is in syllabus...

Slereah

@Kaumudi.H ask jeeves

2017

@Kaumudi.H It is not in ncert..

user228700

@2017 So..?

user228700

@Slereah -___-

2017

09:24

and neither in jee advanced

user228700

How are u sure about this?

Secret

I actually don't know. There are two things to consider here:
1. Science models works because they can reproduce the experimental observations independent of the party using it, and can also predict what happens next (even statistically speaking). Therefore saying that planets move around in orbit in the above terminology involving angels is equally valid as saying they are following the geodesic imposed by the warping of spacetime, as long both models agree with the experiments (in fact, for what is worth, you can even claimed those angels are invisible in order to get away with the issue …

2017

@Kaumudi.H Check their official syllabus

jeeadv.ac.in/syllabi

user228700

@2017 I'm pretty sure this comes under "Linear Combination of Atomic Orbitals".

2017

As a rule of thumb...any terminology system that is not mentioned in ncert isn't asked in advanced...it has never happened in the last 15 years

anyway if you wish learn it

user228700

09:27

(Besides, I'm sure that this is in syllabus because it's given in the book sold by Resonance, an institute, which is definitely fairly credible)

2017

okay whatever

i've got a hell lot of things to learn already

user228700

Chill mate, I wasn't forcing you to learn it or anything :-P

skullpetrol

I concur @Secret

Secret

Here's an extended food for thought, largely inspired by watching Doctor Strange:

If one day scientist have discovered that the laws of physics not only can change, but can be manipulated in a manner similar to a programmer rewriting and editing a program, will we still call that physics even if everyone can do it?

skullpetrol

Let's get back to studying @2017 @Kaumudi.H :-)

user228700

09:29

@skullpetrol Get back..? :-)

user228700

09:45

@skullpetrol: With regard to your advice on time-management; I'm no noob, mate :-) I've been at this for several years now. I didn't feel the need to sleep only for 3 hours before but it's become a necessity (only) now. I appreciate your advice of sorts anyway, thanks.

skill patrol

np :-)

user228700

10:12

@2017: Dyou know if we have calculation of errors (using derivatives) in our syllabus?

Kenshin

10:52

@Secret why change the name of the science?

Secret

@Kenshin Well if one can show reality warping is a law of science, (which means the very laws can be changed easily) will that still be science, or have completely moved into magic or something even more (insert term)?

That's what that food for thought is trying to ponder about

skill patrol

Perhaps it wouldn't be "physical" anymore.

Kenshin

it will still be physical

we would just have a new understand of what "physical" actually is

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