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12:01 AM
@ACuriousMind Do you find the job through stackoverflow? Just curious
 
@unsym The job found him
 
@unsym Nope
 
SAP needed a new CEO
he was the obvious choice
 
haha, ic
 
@BernardoMeurer FALSE
We just need to spend some time.
 
12:03 AM
@DanielSank NO ME FAULT
 
I'll fund the first few pieces of hardware (we should start cheap until the ad revenue rolls in).
 
@ACuriousMind Congrats on getting the job, welcome to software!
 
@BernardoMeurer Dat Spanish/Portuguese grammar...
 
@DanielSank It's a reference to The Office
 
@BernardoMeurer Anyway, our first posts should be basic introductions to how the digital to analog conversion works in MP3.
 
12:04 AM
@DanielSank Nah, WAV
 
Frankly, I'm more interested in that than in hemoglobin right now, because hemoglobin works...
 
We shouldn't bother with compression at first
 
oh yeah, screw compression
 
it's a whole other huge topic
 
12:19 AM
@ACuriousMind I don't understand what you mean?
 
@BernardoMeurer dude
 
@0celo7 Yes?
 
Can you please answer the text I sent
@Phase @Semiclassical spotted in the wild gyazo.com/52ff5182a664db8c8928da9248627eb7
 
infomercialwars
 
1:01 AM
@Slereah In fact (slightly special) consumables are a pretty good choice for such arrangements. You quiz people who know your designated recipient to find out if he like beer, or wine or coffee or tea or chocolate or whatever and then try to buy a quality example for just about the price limit.
But avoid thing that the person is a fanatic about. That is don't try to buy wine for a wine snob, nor coffee for someone who roasts their own and had a hand-cranked burr grinder in their office.
 
1:38 AM
studying for a php interview hehehe
 
1:52 AM
Why does del cross F have to be zero for a conservative force?
 
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Q: Why should Conservative forces have their curl equal to zero?(intuition)

TheQuantumManThere are several conditions that must be met in order for a force to be conservative. One of them is that the curl of that force must be equal to zero? What is the physical intuition behind this? If you can, please explain it to me via the magnetic force fields because i have read that time-vary...

See if that helps
 
2:35 AM
> The rate of fall of the voltage across the capacitor depends upon the inverse product of capacitor C and the effective resistance RL used in the circuit and is called the time constant.
> The RC time constant, also called tau, the time constant (in seconds) of an RC circuit, is equal to the product of the circuit resistance (in ohms) and the circuit capacitance (in farads)
In first definition of time constant,what it means by “inverse product of” ?
Typo?
 
2:55 AM
@JohnRennie help me pliash
 
 
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5:28 AM
So far nothing special, thought it it nice to know that high energy neutrinos being less ghosty is verified experimentally by ICECUBE
 
6:00 AM
@Fawad it means the rate of fall is proportional to $\frac{1}{RC}$ i.e. proportional to the inverse of the product of $R$ and $C$.
 
Also known as the reciprocal of the product :-)
 
@JohnRennie then time constant is 1/RC ?
 
my parents' house is 10 degrees hotter than comfortable
 
They must be getting old.
 
@Fawad the voltage will be something like: $$V(t) = V_0 e^{-t/\tau}$$ where $\tau$ is the time constant
To get the rate of fall we differntiate this to get $$\frac{dV}{dt} = -\frac{1}{\tau} V_0 e^{-t/\tau}$$
So at any particular time we find the rate of fall is proportional to $1/\tau$.
And $\tau = RC$
 
 
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7:17 AM
@CooperCape did you get an answer to your question about whether a sphere is two dimensonal (it is)
 
@dmckee Typesetting Crenshaw's series to LaTeX and converting the code to C
No way in hell I'm writing my first compiler in Pascal :^)
 
So it is not water, but sand flows
 
@BernardoMeurer hey guess what I just bought ...
 
@JohnRennie A book on compilers for me???
 
Sadly not.
You remember I bought a (very) cheap E6440 a few days ago?
I just bought one of these for it!
 
7:23 AM
Oh, nice!
It's going to fly :)
Put 16GB of ram in it
 
Actually ... I'm not sure if it's supported in that laptop. I guess I'll find out :-)
If it works it will be a mighty powerful laptop.
 
@JohnRennie Why did Pascal die?
 
This is going to be some terrible joke ... :-)
 
No, no
I'm asking
 
Delphi is still alive and well, though it's popularity is fading now.
I have a couple of friends who spent the last two decades paying their mortgages by writing Delphi code.
 
7:26 AM
But nothing new is done in it...right?
Also, no one is learning it I think, I don't know anyone in CS who wants to be a "Pascal/Dephi programmer"
And I do know weirdos who want to work in ASM
 
The reality is that for a commercial programmer support is more important than the language
 
What does that mean?
 
Borland proved incapable of supporting Delphi. The eventually sold it to a company called Embarcadero, but they have badly mismanaged it over the last few years.
@BernardoMeurer if you're going to make a career out of programming in XXX you need to be confident the language XXX is going to be kept up to date and competitive with other laguages out there.
 
Ah, yeah, I see
 
If you program in .Net you can be sure MS will continue to support and update it for ... well, forever.
 
7:31 AM
And that's specially hard is the language is proprietary
 
Likewise C++
 
Well C/++ are open standards, even if MS, Apple, Amazon, Oracle ... all died out you could still rely on the community to maintain GCC
Or Clang
 
@BernardoMeurer yes. Only Borland supported Delphi, and they couldn't invest enough to keep it competitive.
 
I mean, proprietary compilers, with the exception of the ICC for very specific reasons, are mostly dead, right?
Like, who uses a proprietary compiler these days?
 
Well, yes.
 
7:32 AM
(MS stuff aside)
 
There are niche applications ...
 
Really?
I didn't know that
 
@BernardoMeurer even .Net isn't proprietary any more. MS actively support Mono now.
 
We should host a podcast @JohnRennie
Yeah, it got OS'd a couple years back
 
The world of commercial programming is pretty cut throat
If you have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed you tend to get a bit paranoid about the technologies you use.
Most of the guys I know are freelance so if they don't code they don't eat
 
7:35 AM
Yeah, but some markets just won't die out
Or at least not anytime soon
C for example, C++, Java
 
There is going to be work for Delphi programmers for a decade yet, but it's going to be boring maintenance work and no-one wants to do it.
 
And even if, say, a language like Rust were to take over the main role away from C++, there would still be so much legacy code to maintain
Yeah, maintenance work is really boring :/
 
It's going to be people like me doing it - old timers who aren't that fussed
Then when we die that's the end of the language :-)
 
:-(
I get kind of sad seeing languages die
Like
have you been on CPAN?
It's like a graveyard
It's like walking on Pompeii
 
Well Perl is a bit like Javascript. It was hacked together to suit a purpose, but it was always poorly designed and better languages are out-competing it.
 
7:39 AM
I've only tried Rust briefly a couple of times
 
Yeah, but it's just kind of sad, I don't know, I get emotional
 
What's the reasoning behind making math operators, like exp, operate with a dot?
 
I cried when SH4 support was dropped from GCC :/
@alarge Hum?
 
@BernardoMeurer That the primitives are on the type itself and at least in all the examples doc.rust-lang.org/std/primitive.f64.html, x.exp() rather than exp(x). Though I guess you can using exp from f64 and then use exp(x) or something?
 
Yeah, you can call f64::exp(x) I think
 
7:44 AM
Yeah, so to me that's a weird design decision.
 
The other thing that put me off last time I tried was that some basic functionality, like rng generation, is only complete for f64, and not available for f32.
 
That is maybe a bit weird, but I just got used to it quickly
That should be solved now, the language is evolving quickly, was this prior to 1.0?
(we just reached 1.22)
 
But I would much prefer C++ style template overloading of exp, so I could just exp, and it'd know the type and call either f32::exp or f64::exp or whatever.
No, the last time was 1.19 I think.
Like a few months back.
 
Then why not just x.exp() then?
I'm no specialist, the people over at the Rust chat are :)
 
7:47 AM
Because when I write my own functions, especially when they have more than one argument, writing them x.f(y) feels wrong.
 
Ah, well, then it's just a matter of practice/adapting
 
Though I am aware that C++ also has a proposal to have some universal calling system or whatever so you could x.f(y). This is fine for nonmathematical functions but for maths it looks wrong to me.
 
I get what you mean, yeah
 
But yeah, go and write the f32 versions of say normal RNG and that'll get me part way.
It's not difficult and you'll get your name to a core rust library, if you don't already :)
 
Hell I don't want to be a maintainer for yet another project :P
And it definitely exists in a crate already
 
7:53 AM
f64 does.
 
f32 doesn't get much love it looks like. RNG wasn't the only thing. I forget the other now.
 
Why even use f32? Are you on i686 or something?
 
That's the lib I used a couple of months back and I'm pretty sure didn't have f32 of normal RNG.
Because f32 is going to be "twice" as fast if done properly (or if the compiler vectorizes for me).
 
7:57 AM
Why use f64 if I don't need it
Lol, yes, sure I can always convert f64 to f32, but that kind of defeats the entire point, no?
 
I suppose
It's weird they don't have it
 
But I guess if I'm looking for a performance oriented mindset, Rust is the wrong language to use.
 
I'll bitch on the IRC about this
Hm? Rust has a strong focus on performance
 
Well, not really
 
How so?
 
8:00 AM
Performance for a specific kind of thing. Which is enabling concurrency through safety, and probably integer arithmetic.
But as far as I'm aware, there's no core library or language support for SIMD.
 
And was unstable always anyway.
I know there's a lib called "faster" that's very recent.
 
I didn't look at it, but my point being maybe that if they cared about floating point performance and numerical (math) performance, the way or order of things have been built would have been different
 
faster does seem cool
@alarge True, it's a systems language
But we're getting there :)
 
8:04 AM
Latest commit on simd was months ago and I think when I took a look people were still discussing some fundamentals on the issue page
I agree, and C++ started out being slow and shunned by Fortran and C devs. I guess it's just that even though I've tried, I've found Rust not to be mature enough even for my hobby projects for now. I am hoping that'll change.
 
Yeah, I'd say it's at least 5 years until Rust is competitive
But it's gaining a lot of momentum
and the type system is just a joy to use
 
Well, at the same time newer standards also bring a lot of the niceties to C++. But sure, the core of the language can never "be cleaned up".
 
C++ is a mess
C++ 17 is just unreadable to humans
It's like someone got a VW Beetle and decided to hot rod it
 
The language features are for library builders. With all the features of newer C++ you can build stuff that indeed is difficult to read but if you expose a nice API to clients, no harm done.
 
And every revision adds so much more stuff to the core
It's just baffling
 
8:12 AM
But the biggest things to hit C++ in "modern C++" is really I think unique_ptr making people think about stuff like ownership. Which was then baked into the core of Rust.
 
Yeah, the borrow checker with lifetimes is p cool
 
The library I work with was originally written way before move semantics, so it's (custom) shared pointers everywhere, essentially a global variable cause you don't know who owns it. Oh well.
 
Lol
good lord
 
mornin
 
8:33 AM
heya
 
"In particular the corresponding classical field theory has as its “space of models” the critical locus

$$\underset{\phi \in [X, \mathbf{Fields}]_{\mathbf{H}}}{\sum}
( \mathbf{d} S_\phi \simeq 0 )$$"
Jesus
 
@JohnRennie No I didn't... (But I guess I did now?) ;p My friend is convinced it's not..
 
I'm looking up pre-quantum theory on nlabs and it's not pretty
There are TOPOS
 
@CooperCape the sphere is a two dimensional closed manifold. We traditionally draw it embedded in a three dimensional space, but it remains two dimensional i.e. you can label all points on the sphere with just two coordinates.
One of our maths gurus will probably be along any moment to explain why my description isn't quite right, but that's the basic idea :-)
 
8:49 AM
Ahh nice...
See in TSoiS which tbh I'm still sooooo confused about it said something about the fact that it locally resembles 2d space?
or something like that.
Ocelo will always be around to question physicists mathematical rigour it seems.
 
You can draw the sphere without embedding
With the fundamental polygon
 
"In mathematics, a fundamental polygon can be defined for every compact Riemann surface of genus greater than 0" - from wikipedia. Don't expect me to understand that :o
Although genus is how many holes... right...
 
@CooperCape that means it is locally indistinguishable from flat space.
 
The fundamental polygon isn't very hard
Basically, you take that polygon
and you identify arrows of the same colors
and that gives you the space
 
see why are there's colours...
 
8:52 AM
(you have to respect arrow directions, too)
 
uh... huh.
ehh I'm lost already... as epr usual... ;p
 
Like thus
 
what the...
 
The torus is the easiest one to see
Bend the sheet so that the red arrow fits the other red arrow
 
oh okay...
 
8:55 AM
Then bend it again, to put the blue arrow on the blue arrow
 
I kind of see...
So it's like an origami sheet...
for maths.
 
it is pretty much papercraft, yes
Of course some of it is 4 dimensional papercraft
so things get tricky
 
nightmare...
 
@0celo7 americaland never fails to surprise
@ACuriousMind i bought it and played it a bit last night its great
@Slereah can you think of an example where you'd run into something that looks like $A = \frac{\gamma}{sin(\psi + \theta)}$?
 
Not off-hand, no
although it seems like a mundane enough function
 
8:58 AM
@Slereah the Klein bottle papercraft seems a bit like extending a mobius strip sideways until it sweeps out a volume inside?
 
wait @Slereah wiki says "In mathematics, a fundamental polygon can be defined for every compact Riemann surface of genus greater than 0" and your picture has a sphere but doesn't a sphere have genus 0?
or am I misunderstanding here.
(probs)
 
That's not the full list of polygons
If you want genus > 0, you have like
for a genus $g$, you have a polygon of $4 + 4g$ sides
 
right, okay.
 
Wait, no
 
right, nokay.
 
9:03 AM
Torus isn't and has only 4 sides
something like that, anyway
This is for a surface of genus 2
 
ehhh I don't need the maths behind it I'm years off understanding any of this anyway.
 
It's good to see it early :-)
 
hey btw @Slereah I figured out the closed continuous subgroups of $U(1)\times U(1)$
they're torus knots
I can't really say much more at the moment, but I'm writing it up, I'll ping you when it's ready ;-)
 
9:21 AM
I wonder if the same idea can work in reverse: Using optically active molecules to create a barrier so that it slows down or even prevents heat from being absorbed into the system
It will be a very good and tunable heat insulation if the opposite direction works
Otherwise, still a very good advancement in technologies that store waste heat
Some other random thoughts which may not make sense: We often talk about storing energy. But is it sensible to think about technologies that store entropy?
 
was your thesis approved?
 
I have not wrote it yet, but the panel meeting is ok
 
cool
 
Suddenly, nuclear fusion research gains a biology like appearance
Perhaps it remind me again not to shut off too many biology thoughts when reading high energy physics researches
Perhaps, it might be a good idea to start putting bacteria into particle accelerators and see what happens...
 
9:50 AM
Meanwhile there are two interesting things going on in particle physics:
We have more conclusive experimental detection of positron production in thunderstorms, and this research is possible, well exceeding its original goal thanks to crowdfunding
We now have pocket sized muon detector. Thus another particle can be introduced to high school education
and look, it is very small and very cheap!!!
Still I need to revise my physics on why electrons and other particles in the background won't trigger plastic scintillators that much
I.e. how do we know the clicks (even in a light tight box) is due to muons and not some other particle species?
 
10:18 AM
well muons are 200 times more massive than electrons and can have negative charge, for a start
 
But electrons also have negative charge, or do electrons don't penetrate plastic casings that easily?
 
Perhaps it measures decay
tbh my original comment may have come across sarcastic, I didn't mean it to
I literally meant "as a start _______" : P
 
10:33 AM
I'm gonna build one...
for many moneys
who cares
 
It's $100 in total cost of all raw materials, thus it is REALLY cheap
I never heard a particle physics related object that is not for detecting electrons or alpha particles that can be this cheap
 
Quite exciting
How does one get a scinitllator tho
 
The site mentioned about one can ask physics professors, which often have scintillators after some experiments ready to be thrown away elsewhere
 
Pre-uni... I don't have much access to physics professors :c
 
> Where can I acquire scintillator?

While plastic scintillator can be tough to acquire, we've found that many universities have been part of experiments which purchase/make their own scintillator. Besides buying the scintillator from a company like Eljen, talk to some of the physics professors.
Not sure how much they are from that company
 
10:38 AM
Can't find it on their website - probably bad news
 
It's in the faq section
 
Hello guys! Anyone knows the answer to the last question? physics.stackexchange.com/questions/370194/…
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Q: Identically vanishing trace of $T^{\mu\nu}$ and trace anomaly

apt45Let us consider a theory defined by an action on a flat space $S[\phi]$ where $\phi$ denotes collectively the fields of the theory. We will study the theory on a general background $g_{\mu\nu}$ and then we will set the metric to be flat. The Euclidean partition function of the theory in the pres...

 
Nah I mean't on the eljen website
Do I have to email them to buy one
 
Yeah I'm there but I can't seem to find how one would buy one without emailing them etc.
 
10:42 AM
Hmm... I think you might need to order from them via a contact form or email
 
this feels like something John might have ngl...
jk
but yeah... probs a no then considering I don't know the cost :c
 
yeah, they don't seemed to list any pricing info
 
That's never good news
 
I am not sure if there are other companies that produces scintillators, though given there are unis everywhere, there should be some somewhere in the neighbourhood
 
Also seems like Eljen sells resin which you have to cast? Not sure I have the availability to do that.
 
10:49 AM
http://www.cosmicwatch.lns.mit.edu/detector#steps
anyway, the detailed build instruction page of theirs seemed to go very detailed on the various way to acquire and machine the components. I am still a bit surprised that you might need to mill the scintillators before use though
in particular, it is said Ebay has sciltillators
 
I do have a lot of the resistors and stuff at home, though.
oh okay that's nice
I guess I can try look around :p
 
11:41 AM
Check the "Late Answers" queue, it is big.
 
12:07 PM
Really I think the oddest thing about the whole flat earth thing is
If the earth was flat
The gravitational field would look pretty weird
It wouldn't be pointing "up" the further you go from the center
well, down
 

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