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12:07 AM
@ACuriousMind does QoGS have any independent mathematical interest?
or just physical
 
@0celo7 It's probably not mathematical enough for your taste for that.
 
@ACuriousMind So nothing on symplectic reduction?
 
@0celo7 Well, the "restriction to the constraint surface" is that, but they don't call it by that name. The diction is pure physics throughout.
 
I see
Ahh, I don't want to read Bott & Tu but I want to read it
I don't want to become an algebraist
@ACuriousMind What's the intuition behind the nerve of a covering
 
12:26 AM
Hi everyone!
 
...hello
 
Can someone explain ray diagrams to me? I don't get the difference between a concave lens object out of focal point and a convex lens
 
@ACuriousMind I don't know if I asked you this already, but do you know about locally constant presheaves
 
@0celo7 I don't know
@0celo7 I don't know what there is to "know" about those, but tentatively yes.
 
literally no clue what they mean by $\rho^i_{jk}$...
are they the restrictions from the definition of presheaf
 
12:36 AM
@0celo7 Well, what data except $\mathscr{F}(U)$ do you need for a presheaf?
 
@ACuriousMind The restrictions
 
oh, so like $ij$ is $U_i\cap U_j$?
 
It's not standard notation in any sense.
 
what is the standard notation
 
12:37 AM
But the only thing that makes sense is that $\rho^i_{jk}$ is the restriction from $U_i$ to $U_j\cap U_k$.
 
yeah.
 
@0celo7 No such thing. Some people write $\rho_{UV}$, some $\mathrm{res}^U_V$, some just $\lvert_V$, and of course you'll see all of those mixed freely with each other :P
 
I've seen $r^U_V$
 
12:54 AM
lol those reviews
1.65 Billion isn't even that much, is it?
 
1:39 AM
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Q: Tensor product of an exact sequence of vector spaces by a vector space

alirezaCan you give a simple proof that tensoring on the right by a vector space, preserves exactness of given exact vector spaces? (with the obvious identity map for the tensor multiplied on the right) I have seen proofs for general cases but for vector spaces, is there an easy proof? It seems to me th...

@ACuriousMind ^
 
2:05 AM
Really want to add the "string-theory" tag to physics.stackexchange.com/questions/275655/…
 
 
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5:50 AM
@EmilioPisanty relabel it Theorist active and add a siren
 
6:11 AM
sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160818212811.htm Phase transition at the ecosystem level, and indicators...?
 
 
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8:21 AM
@Slereah i still cant get over your picture after all these months
 
8:42 AM
Hi all
Im about to submit an essay, but hate my title: "What might the practical applications of black holes be?"
Any suggestions?
 
Are there any practical applications in your paper
 
I explore them
 
So how about Practical Applications of Black Holes
 
It needs to be a question sadly
 
sounds like a stupid requirement but ok
 
8:45 AM
It is but nothing I can do about it
 
are these applications kind of far reaching and future oriented
 
@NoahP Kerr boosting
 
or do you talk about applications of the theory to other fields like condensed matter theory
 
@Slereah ?
 
You can extract energy from a Kerr black hole
 
8:46 AM
@user507974 Thats my contents if it helps
 
@Slereah looks like he touches on that
 
well then there you go
 
@Slereah A quick google brings up this: byrdie.co.uk/miranda-kerr-kora-organics-interview-2015
Presuming that's not the 'kerr boosting' you refer to!
 
not quite
 
morale boost maybe?
 
8:47 AM
The Penrose process (also called Penrose mechanism) is a process theorised by Roger Penrose wherein energy can be extracted from a rotating black hole. That extraction is made possible because the rotational energy of the black hole is located not inside the event horizon of the black hole, but on the outside of it in a region of the Kerr spacetime called the ergosphere, a region in which a particle is necessarily propelled in locomotive concurrence with the rotating spacetime. All objects in the ergosphere become dragged by a rotating spacetime. In the process, a lump of matter enters into the...
^more this
 
I touch on that
Section 4.4
 
You can turn a maximally extended black hole into a wormhole
 
Ah, my original essay was wormholes and blackholes but I cut the wormhole part
Lack of words, im limited to 5000
 
How can scientists tap into the enigmatic properties of black holes?
 
Black holes also have the interesting property of violating the null energy condition around them
Black holes have been used in some designs of the Alcubierre metric
 
8:49 AM
@user507974 I'm liking that, something along that lines definitely
 
naked singularities are used in some designed of compactly generated Cauchy horizons
 
@Slereah Youre getting a bit beyond me! I've written the actual thing, I just dont like my title
 
@NoahP it also should get your lib art profs clothes hot and bothered since it has enigmatic in the title
dont i think of everything
 
@user507974 Ive got no idea who a lib arts professor is, I'm in the UK, and not at University yet
 
@NoahP is this a science class?
 
8:52 AM
Its techincally an EPQ
Extended Project Question
 
who is requirining the title be a question, like a teacher/advisor?
it can change the tone of the title you want to write because you're just pandering to their wants anyways
 
the exam board
Arguing with them never ends up well
 
na na, im not saying argue, just cater the little fluffy nonsense to their tastes since that maximized points
so if there are english folks exaggerate language, if its all science go for a rigorous sounding title
 
science
 
so basically the title i gave, try to make tap into a more rigorous word and your golden
probably
 
8:56 AM
Thanks!
 
yw, remember always that when you author something you need to cater it for your audience, good luck with your EPQ
 
:)
 
and now i must depart since my stupid library decides not to have late night study sessions in the summer
adios
 
Viel gluck!
 
 
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10:25 AM
@NoahP Are black holes the pits? :-)
 
10:41 AM
@JohnRennie as a title?
 
Yes, though it was just a (poor) joke. Examiners have limited senses of humour so I'd avoid any attempts at witty titles.
 
10:57 AM
Yeah, was thinking that! :P
 
Hello @JohnRennie I have an easy question about potential energy, may I?
 
@privetDruzia Yes, go ahead.
 
@JohnRennie sorry for having disturbed, I think I understood it. thx though :)
It is said that a particle has potential energy, when it is in a field that has forces which depend on its position. Now the formula I have is $E_{p}(r) = - \int vec{F}. d\vec{r}$

$F = mg$, right?
@JohnRennie just to make sure ^
 
@privetDruzia well $F=mg$ is an approximation because $g$ is actually a function of $\mathbf r$.
 
@JohnRennie g is a function of r? Could you explain that? Isn't g=9.81N/kg, which is a constant and never changes
?
 
11:08 AM
$g = \frac{GM_e}{r^2}$ where $M_e$ is the mass of the Earth and $r$ is the distance from the centre of the Earth.
Unless you're specifiying that $g$ is a constant giving the acceleration at some specified value of $r$ ...
 
@JohnRennie can there be many other forces except g-force?
 
Outside of the nucleus all forces are either gravitational or electromagnetic in origin
 
@JohnRennie and what about springforce?
 
A spring produces a force because it resists twisting i.e. has a shear modulus greater than zero. The shear modulus is due to interactions between atoms/molecules in the material the spring is made from, and those interactions are electromagnetic.
 
@JohnRennie ok thank you!
@JohnRennie maybe a little picky here: due to electrostatic or electromagnetic interactions?
 
11:18 AM
@privetDruzia When considering interatomic and intermolecular forces we normally only consider electrostatic forces
I tend to use the term electromagnetic because the distinction between the electric and magnetic forces is observer dependent, though this only really matters when we deal with relativistic speeds.
 
@JohnRennie ...which is none of my business. Thx!
 
In normal circumstances we can treat the forces between electrons and nuclei as if everything was static. Good thing too, as life would be a lot more complicated otherwise.
 
11:34 AM
why shud the two reflected rays meet at the point?
I came across it while solving a high school field of mirror problem
If it intersects its easy to show that a mirror half the size is enough to form a complete image of the object.
 
@YashasSamaga law of snellius?
 
but why shud those two lines intersect?
Snells law?
its a plane mirror
there is no refraction
 
is your question why "should they intersect" or "why do they intersect"?
 
why shud they intersect
I checked 4,5 books, all of them show that the lines intersect
but none of them say why
 
oh shud is slang for should, gosh...
 
11:37 AM
yea :P
 
ok yhea if it s "should" IDK, depends on the goal of the setup I guess
 
I don't know if I shud post that as a new question
 
@YashasSamaga I suspect it would be closed as homework, but the answer is very straightforward.
When you reflect a light beam off a mirror the angle of reflection is equal to the angle of incidence. OK so far?
 
=snells law
 
@privetDruzia nothing to do with Snell's law I'm afraid.
 
11:47 AM
@JohnRennie really? I thought that this was one of the basic principles of snells law. the angle of incidence = angle of reflection
 
@privetDruzia Snell's law relates the angle of incidence and the angle of refraction not reflection.
Snell's law (also known as the Snell–Descartes law and the law of refraction) is a formula used to describe the relationship between the angles of incidence and refraction, when referring to light or other waves passing through a boundary between two different isotropic media, such as water, glass, or air. In optics, the law is used in ray tracing to compute the angles of incidence or refraction, and in experimental optics to find the refractive index of a material. The law is also satisfied in metamaterials, which allow light to be bent "backward" at a negative angle of refraction with a negative...
 
oh ok! my bad
 
@JohnRennie Using the law of reflection, I can say that the angle made by the incident and the reflected ray would be same. Also, I can also claim that few distances are equal (x and y as shown in the firgure).
I still don't get why the top reflected ray and bottom reflected ray must intersect
:3 I need to revise high school physics :3
 
@YashasSamaga The top and bottom ray will intersect if, and only if, their spacing is 2x + 2y.
 
AHHAA I think I understood
 
11:50 AM
Since the x's and y's in your diagram are equal the top ray reflects back displaced by 2x. Likewise the bottom ray reflects back diplaced by 2y.
 
The Q was "Show that the minimum size of a plane mirror, required to see the full image of an observer is half the size of that observer"
For the minimum case, they must intersect?
For a larger mirror, the lines wouldn't intersect at the observer rather somewhere in front of the observer.
If the mirror is too small, it would intersect behind the observer
Am I right?
 
So you're considering the light rays from the head and feet of the observer.
 
And the distance between the head and feet must be 2x + 2y as drawn on your diagram. Now looking at your diagram what is the spacing between the points where the two light rays hit the mirror?
 
? in the diagram its 0
that was the question
why it had to be zero
why the rays had to intersect at the observer
why not before and after
 
11:53 AM
The mirror.
The spacing in the mirror plane.
i.e. the right hand vertical line in your diagram.
 
From the diagram, the mirror size would be x + y
which is half the size of the observer
 
And what fraction of 2x+2y is x+y?
 
^ the answer to the Q
 
12:17 PM
@JohnRennie what?
 
@0celo7 Eh? What's controversial about my statement?
 
(2x+2y)/2=x+y, probably.
@JohnRennie I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just wondering why it was worthy of special mention
 
I am currently playing a minecraft server that has ran out of funds and will die in a month's time
 
1:03 PM
How in the world did a numerology question get 31 upvotes?
Do so many people really not realize that comparing a dimensionful quantity to a dimensionless quantity is inherently meaningless?
 
1:35 PM
hello @ACuriousMind

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/275742/why-is-a-particles-potential-energy-minimal-not-zero-when-the-forces-acting-on/275747#275747

Could you confirm whether those are Buckingham or Lennard Jones potentials which are being plotter?
if anybody else knows the answer feel free to share it!
 
1:56 PM
@ACuriousMind Better?
@privetDruzia it doesn't matter what the form of the potential is. Firstly it's a duplicate anyway and secondly the OP has made a basic mistake in his understanding of differentiation.
 
@JohnRennie yes but I'd like to know the answer to this question for myself actually
 
Start with the top graph.
 
yes?
 
At $r_0$ the potential energy is at a minimum. OK so far?
 
1:59 PM
And what is the gradient at a minimum (or maximum)?
 
And $F=-dE/dr$, i.e. the graient, so what is the force at $r_0$?
 
$ F = -0$ ?
 
Yes. And that's why the force is zero at $r_0$ i.e. $r_0$ is the equilibrium spacing.
 
@JohnRennie what about the slopes of the rest of the graphs?
 
2:02 PM
Suppose you go to $r < r_0$, is the gradient (upper graph) less than zero or more than zero?
 
less than zero, because you have a negative slope
 
And $F = -dE/dr$, so is the force at $r < r_0$ less than zero or more than zero? Note the minus sign!
 
ooooh yes I see
Omg! -+- = +
gosh!!
 
That was my point. The OP actually had all the correct equations but had suffered a momentary brain fade.
 
@JohnRennie Yes, much :)
 
2:04 PM
@JohnRennie but what kind of graph is it?
 
@privetDruzia what type of potential? Probably a Lennard-Jones, though the exact form doesn't matter. The LJ potential is in any case just an approximation.
 
Hi all
 
@ACuriousMind it never occurred to me the OP might be thinking superposition meant more mass. Actually I thought it was a silly question and I resorted to the Eppley Hannah paper only in an attempt to bring some interest into it.
 
@JohnRennie Well I just wnat to be sure. It is always nice to have proper/exact/correct names when mentionning something during an explanation. Our lecturers never told us the name of that graph, so I think being able to tell the name of it will show that I did an extra effort to try to look it up
 
@JohnRennie I thought "with an associated weight of 200lbs in each of my superposition locations" was pretty clear on that, but yes, I agree it's a somewhat silly question. OP tells us they're not a physicist though, so I thought the interpretation "someone got something wrong about quantum mechanics" was far more likely than it being a semi-technical question about semiclassical gravity.
 
2:09 PM
@ACuriousMind all part of my attempt to educate the masses :-)
 
Could I ask simple QM question: Given a particle in motion, if we measure it's momentum, the wave function collapses to an eigenfunction of the momentum operator $\hat{P}$. Then from de broglie relations we have the wavelength $\lambda = \frac{h}{p}$ and $\nu = \frac{c}{\lambda}$ and $E = h \nu$. Do we then know the energy $E$ and the corresponding stationary state of the Hamiltonian $\hat{H}$?
Does this stationary state then have to the same eigenfunction as the momentum operator eigenfunction?
 
@Alex Yes, because the Hamiltonian of a free particle is just $P^2$.
 
@ACuriousMind Which has the same eigenfunctions as $\hat{P}$?
 
Since $[\hat{P},\hat{P}^2]=0$ they have the same set of eigenfunctions as basis
 
@Alex Well, every eigenfunction of $P$ is one of $P^2$, but not vice versa. (Try to think about why that might be)
@Secret Wrong. It means there exists a common eigenbasis, not that all eigenvectors of one are eigenvectors of the other.
I.e. I can find an eigenbasis of $P^2$ that isn't one for $P$.
 
2:19 PM
@ACuriousMind Okay will do thanks. The first direction is easy. Will think about vice versa.
 
But for a hermitian operator, isn't that the set of eigenvectors will span the vector space that the operator is in since they form a basis for that vector space?

(P.S. I have not done functional analysis, thus I might not be aware of subtleties for operators with continous spectrum, which might be what I missed)
 
@Secret No subtleties, This is basic linear algebra.
Consider the identity: Every vector is an eigenvector, and it commutes with every other operator. Yet not every other operator has all vectors as eigenvectors.
 
Ah that makes sense
 
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Q: Is it possible that fire produce invisible light?

Akash DhorajiyaI was just wondering that is it ever possible that some object produce invisible lights when it catches fire? Something like invisible flames!!!! If this is possible, can you please give one example? I have checked phenomena, Back-body Radiation and energy emitted by excited electron when fall ...

yeah you can do that if osmehting is so hot it emitt mostly UV, but that's not very itneresting
Hydrogen flames are close to invisible though
 
can someone explain the differences between hypothesis, theorem, conjucture, axiom and postulate?
a theorem has a proof? hypothesis does not have a proof, rather is just an idea? axiom is an assumption which appears to be correct? postulate, blind assumption?
 
2:31 PM
A postulate is something that is assumed for a model where other results and predictions of that model built upon. It may or may not be experimentally confirmed to high accuracy
 
conjucture is a claim?
 
An axiom is a statement that is assumed true for a mathematical structure in which every theorem, corrollary and others things bult upon it
A conjecture is a claim or guess that need to be proved
A theorem is a result derived from definitions, axioms, lemmas and other theorems
A hypothesis is an educated guess on something which can be experimentally falsified
 
Thanks.
everybody must have had friends who are over particular about the correct terminology :D annoying af
 
Does anyone have any tips on writing an abstract?
 
@ACuriousMind In electrostatics the general solution of the Laplacian (in spherical coordinates) is: $V(r, \theta) = \sum_{l=0}^{\infty}(A_{l}r^{l} + \frac{B_{l}}{r^{l+1}})P_{l}(cos \theta)$. Given that the potential $V_0(\theta)$ is specified on the surface of a hollow sphere of radius $R$. Why do we take $B_l = 0$ so as to avoid the potential going to infinity? Why can't it go to infinity?
Is it simply because it it not physically realistic to consider that it takes an infinite amount of energy to put a charge $q$ there?
 
2:53 PM
when water goes from solid state to liquid state. It absorbs heat. This is an endothermic reaction with positive enthalpy. Could someone confirm whether I am correct?
 
nope, when water condenses and solidifies, potential energy between the water molecules are released as heat, thus the reaction is exothermic and the enthalpy change is negative
 
these people claim melting ice is an endothermicf reaction
@Secret BTW I said when water freezes
I wasn t speaking about melting
 
@Danu Remark: The Lefschetz number in GP is $(-1)^{\mathrm{dim}(M)}$ times the one in e.g. Hatcher or Bredon.
 
Sorry, I misread you as "water going from liquid to solid state". In that case, then yes the process is endothermic (ice takes in heat to melt into water)
 
@Secret ok and what about latent heat in this story?
 
3:00 PM
latent heat is absorbed to melt the ice
 
@Danu It's not relevant for the Euler characteristic, but it is relevant if you use their definition to calculate an arbitrary Lefshetz number.
 
OK thx, was just to make sure
 
recall that latent heat is releated to the heat change in phase transitions
 
so u concur?
 
when melting 0C ice to 0C water, heat from the hotter object is absorbed to become latent heat of water, which increases the intermolecular separation of the water molecules and break the ice lattice by overcoming the attraction of the molecules and turn it to liquid phase
 
3:03 PM
@Secret OK thx, got it. What is matrix vizualisation? The most advanced stuff I got to do with matrices was solving ODE and attitude determinations
just a cool way to plot your data?
 
where do you get the term "matrix visualisation" from?
 
your SE profile
lol
 
It's just a personal project on trying to come up a way to draw matrix like you have arrows for vectors in eucledian space
it is not working very well at the moment because it cannot be used to efficiently solve eigenvalues
 
oh ok
are you a math student?
 
The good thing of it however is that it can visualise the process of matrix multiplication well and show the linear wrt argument nature of matrices and linear maps

nope, I am a chemist (and in undergrad I am physics chemistry double major)
I just happened to have in depth interest on pretty much every field of knowledge
 
3:07 PM
hmm undergrad... so in USA that means a bachelor degree, right?
 
yes, but I already fnished that, I will be entering postgrad soon
 
postgrad = master?
man double major in physics and chemistry u r some crazy pal!
 
10 mins ago, by Secret
Sorry, I misread you as "water going from liquid to solid state". In that case, then yes the process is endothermic (ice takes in heat to melt into water)
^ To 0celo7: example of backward logic of mine (I often read things back to front without realising until someone told me)
@privetDruzia I am not really crazy, truth is, I made a lot of careless mstakes, thus my peers are actually smarter
 
@Secret university is soo expensive in USA. Why don't american people send their children to Europe (where university is pretty cheap)?
 
@Secret eh, generally smart people either have made more mistakes than other people or watched other people make mistakes and taken note
 
3:12 PM
But shouldn't a smart people not to make so many trivial mistakes? (I sometimes don't even know what my mind is doing and it keep sprewing random stuff for me to process)
 
@Secret i feel like once you have so much information in your head it becomes a lot easier to make trivial mistakes
smart people dislike making systemic mistakes and course correct quicker than other people
 
@Danu This became apparent when I sat down to write a full proof of the relationship between Poincare duality and intersection theory.
I don't think it's obvious, especially becaue Bott & Tu have a typo in which the two definitions are claimed to be equivalent.
 
3:28 PM
@privetDruzia Because travel between Europe and the US is expensive, and I don't think people get financial aid to cover that
 
@privetDruzia The university system is quite different over here too
 
@DavidZ coming to Europe is not that expensive... I mean you come to Europe by plane which costs (worst case scenario I guess) 1200$ and stay here 1 year. That will still cost waaay less than all your tuition fees in USA!
@NoahP regarding what?
 
@privetDruzia you select a course straight away in the UK, whereas I gather its pretty different in the US? The method of applying for US universities and UK ones is hugely different
 
@DavidZ based on my h bar conversations, what do you think is my physics level demonstrated and what aspect I still need improvement on?
 
@privetDruzia There's also the cost of re-purchasing all the basic necessities, plus it removes the ability to come home for holidays and vacations without spending an extra $2500 or so, plus the sheer difficulty of learning how to survive in a foreign country on your own.
That last one isn't a monetary cost, really, but it is something many fresh high school graduates aren't prepared for.
@Secret I really have no idea. I haven't been following your conversations.
 
3:34 PM
@DavidZ This is the key point imo. Most "adults" fresh out of highschool are grossly underprepared to take care of themselves. I think that's pretty common around the world but in the US it's particularly bad
 
this is how it is where I live: you choose to study engineering. The first year you will have a lot of general courses together with all the other students from other engineering disciplines. But once that first year is done you will start to have many more specific courses related to your own discipline. So what I mean by that is that if you ve changed your mind and want to study something else this is no problem at all, because it is not too late. Hopefully that was clear...

applying at a university in europe is not difficult. You just go there, fill in administrative documents pay 200-7
 
@NoahP US university students typically select a subject to major in at the end of their second year, although it's expected that they will have been taking intro-level courses in that subject since their first year
 
@DavidZ I lived in Russia on my own and worked there. Living in Europe is not like living in the middle of the jungle. Your vision is exaggerated IMO
 
@privetDruzia I'm in the UK, but I know someone who is going to the US who says its totally different
 
(unless you were speaking about Roumania or smth like that)
 
3:36 PM
@DavidZ Yeah, thats what i thought
 
@privetDruzia That's you. Don't consider yourself representative of HS graduates in the US.
 
@DavidZ have you ever been to West Europe?
 
Yep, several times
 
why do you think it is so difficult then?
 
Why do you think it's not?
 
3:37 PM
@privetDruzia You forget how many of your contemporaries are basically big children. They could probably suck it up and do it but they really aren't confident enough in themselves in the first place.
 
OK now I see @DavidZ I was in China many times.
I see you are Chinese. In CHina everything is very different. So for Chinese people there might be a bigger adaptation needed, true
BTW grew up with Chinese culture
so I know how things +/- work there
 
At bare minimum @DavidZ is right about the *perception * by US students
 
Now I understyand whhy you are speaking about "surviving" in a foreign country
@DavidZ ^
 
@privetDruzia I'm not Chinese. What makes you think that?
 
your SE profile
lol
I don't think American people will have to "survive" in WesternEurope. Sure they will have to change some/more habits. But it s not as if they moved somewhere else to live in the middle of the jungle
 
3:42 PM
Of course they have to survive. If you don't survive, you die. That's the definition of "survive" :-P
But seriously though. It also refers to adapting to an unfamiliar environment, which need not be a jungle.
 
but the adaptation is not that big. You just go to classes, get your degree without a huge loan and go back to US if you want
the difference is not that big
to a certain extent
 
@ChrisWhite I've started reading that; it's good.
 
@privetDruzia The government has removed the cap on UK uni fees now, so they wont stay cheap
 
@privetDruzia I disagree with that. It is a signficant adaptation to go from the US to any foreign country (except parts of Canada). In particular, I think it's significant enough that most college-age Americans would struggle with it. They'd manage, but they would find it quite difficult.
 
hey guys, quick question, what direction would we count the pressure from capilarity as being
is it counter to regular pressure (decreases total pressure) or in the same directio (increases)
 
3:47 PM
@user507974 up, I guess? The pressure is in the same direction as the corresponding force
 
And to myself, coming from a single parent family with little disposable income, £9000 a year, plus that again in living costs will leave me in around £80,000 debt by the time I've finished a masters degree
@privetDruzia
 
@DavidZ Why would you take a huge loan in stead of just sending your children to study in Europe? They will get a lot of international experience by doing so, they will have the opportunity to learn (a) new language(s), meet people from everywhere etc...
 
@DavidZ so opposite direction as regular pressure
 
@NoahP I grew up with no parents and paid everything myself including my trips to Russia
@NoahP blame brexit?
 
@privetDruzia Ask the parents who make the choice to take out huge loans rather than sending their children to study in Europe. But I've already given a few possible reasons.
 
3:48 PM
@privetDruzia So you must know that you get landed with alot of debt then...
 
And also ask the children. It is ultimately their decision, after all.
 
@DavidZ You'd like to think that anywya
 
@NoahP sorry, what do you mean?
 
@privetDruzia Well I'll be paying for everything myself, and I'll be in alot of debt once I'm finished, and thats before I think about a PhD
 
@NoahP why don t you try to move elsewhere?
not that UK is bad but... so many debts...
you havent even started working, started buying a house or so and you already have huge debts
 
3:50 PM
@NoahP Well, I suppose that is dependent on the family. Although it's the kid who makes the decision "on paper", it certainly is possible for them to be manipulated/coerced/forced into making a certain choice by their parents or by their family's financial circumstances.
 
@privetDruzia The UK has the best Unis in the world (except the US...), my family live here, I've grown up here, and I want to stick to what I know
@DavidZ Yeah thats what I was referring to
 
@privetDruzia thats the point in the US, they have you in debt from the moment you can start thinking for yourself. It makes you far more manageable
and profit generating
 
I will tell you what our international coordinator told us at uni: "not all the students go abroad to study unfortunately. But in all these years I work here I have never seen any student being dissapointed from studying abroad"

Indeed I have to admit it it looks scary in the beginning to just move somewhere else. But trust me you ll get used to it and have memories you will remember for the rest of your life. I came back from Russia +/- 1 year and a half ago and still think about it every single day.
@user507974 solution: don t get into debt
 
@privetDruzia That still doesn't take away from the fact that, apart from the US, nowhere is going to give as good an education as the UK will give me
 
For me I received generally mostly financial aid, and I like being close to family, so I stayed in the US
 
3:54 PM
I'm applying to Oxford and Imperial, I'd like to see you suggest better uni's outside of the UK or US
 
I could have paid off all my debts by graduation but instead I'm taking out more of this (practically the lowest interest rates you can find), so instead I can gte myself set up then pay it off in like a year
here in the US they even incentivize not paying off your debt
 
In the UK you don't pay off student debt until you earn over a certain amount a year, but it still takes a long time to pay it off
 
not all the students go to oxford or imperial. There are many more unfamous places you can study in UK. So indtead of going to those "smaller" pplaces and get into debt, you could think about going abroad, which would give you the same level of degree for much less money.

Yes Imperial and Oxford are very good universities undoubtly. Let's imagine oxford is ranked 10th on a world scale, would it hurt you that much to go to a university that is ranked 15th-20th on a world scale and much cheaper?
I mean by the time you will have paid off student debt I ll already own a house
 
@privetDruzia The point is Oxford is in the top 5, I'm not sure where exactly though
 
according to thebestschools.org they are 11th
but that was not the point...
 
4:00 PM
6th
But Cambridge doesnt offer pure physics at undergrad level
So 5th
 
+ every university has its own field of specialization. If you are at the best university for physics and study financing, that s very stupid as well
so not sure ranking is always the best thing to look at
being nr 1 on top unioversity.com doesn t mean that university beats all the other in every field
 
Needless to say, its top in my field
 
@NoahP I d just go to Germany which is 13th in stead of nr 6. This implies, I will get my degree just like you but I ll be at least 50k$ richer than you
when finishing university
on a world scale the difference between nr.16 and nr.6 is not that huge
BTW it is not because you are from the best university you get the best wage, personal experience influences a lot.
 
But I don't speak German, it's not as good a course, I'd be moving away from my family, I would need to consider all the hassle of a foreign application, travel logistics, and all that. I'll take Oxford/Imperial thank you very much. When applying to a UK employer, the University of Oxford is going to sound better than the University of Bratwurst every time
 
lol :-P
I'm not an employer, but the University of Bratwurst sounds very tempting
 
4:09 PM
And with that, I must go - I'm getting a lift home from the Library. And it does, doesn't it David Z? I'm sure the free sausages would make up for the gap in educational standards!
@DavidZ
@privetDruzia
Adios.
 
@NoahP travel logistics = "taking the plane for 2h".
lol
@NoahP auf wiedersehen
oh god there are so many things you haven t seen in this world
 
My electromagnetism professor is literally JD
He said c is not fundamental and told me not to get lost in the math
 
Hey guys, quick insanity check. If I graph the free energies of this phase diagram there are only 3 total things to graph right.
$ G_\alpha , G_\beta, G_\gamma$
 
4:28 PM
@0celo7 "Those negatives things are not fundamental let's get rid off it" said no noble gas ever
 
What
 
@NoahP ...what "gap in educational standards"?!
I also feel I should be offended by "University of Bratwurst" :P
 
4:52 PM
@ACuriousMind Is it not common knowledge that any massless particle moves at c
 
It should be common knowledge. How common it actually is is beyond my ability to tell
 
@0celo7 in flat spacetime ...
 
@0celo7 What was the ulterior motive for that question?
 
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