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4:00 PM
We'll go through the questions posed in the meta post in order of up-votes, but of course this is a conversation so please ask anything else you'd like to know as we go along. When we switch to a new main topic I'll make a post in bold with the question we're discussing.
During the AMA, if you think of a big question that's not really related to whatever we happen to be discussing at the time, please just post it in this other chat room. I'll keep that room open in another window so I can see incoming questions.
 
vzn
hi all welcome Daniel Sank Phd! could write long intro here, trying to be brief. world class Martinis QM computing lab acquired by Google ~3rd Q 2014. DS has been working there several years. hes one of the rare Phds very active on the site & in the chat room. home pg/ links to a lot of excellent coverage starting here, esp MIT tech review has great articles chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31649921#31649921 thx very much DS & audience for attending. =D
 
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Please post on-the-fly questions in this other chat room
The highest up-voted question was from Numrok who asked:
you say
> I have found that a true understanding of noise is absolutely essential to my work, and was mostly omitted from my education!
I am facing a similar problem! I would like to ask: How did you acquire your knowledge about this branch of statistical mechanics? Would you be able to provide any good references? Most standard statistical mechanics books seem to be omitting this topic largely. I found some stuff in Altland and Simons, but would appreciate your input and potentially a systematic structuring of how to learn about the topic.
Yeah, so noise is more or less not discussed in school, which sucks.
The whole thing started because I was terrified of stat. mech.
I thought I was going to struggle and do really poorly because I had this emotional thing where I didn't like the idea of a physics problem where you don't compute exactly what all the particles do.
So, because of that fear, I went into stat. mech. determined to try really hard.
The end result was that I realized how powerful statistics is.
During my senior year I took a course taught by Michel Devoret on noise.
It was awesome, but I was left wanting more at the end.
I mostly have just learned by taking out books from the library, and honestly by working stuff out myself :(
 
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The books help but I find a lot of them either way too mathematically technical (I still have no idea what a martingale is), or too elementary in that they don't tell you how to solve useful problems.
 
4:06 PM
So yeah... lot's of self study. Lots of asking people questions, and bugging the bejeezus out of them to get help.
Hey everyone, let's use that auxiliary room I made for discussions about the AMA.

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On-the-fly questions for DanielSank AMA 2016 August 12
Is Numrok here? Does that answer the question?
I will mention that I have done my due diligence of writing down everything I've figured out:
In fact, that github repo is basically everything I know :D
 
Noise seems like something we normally just ignore
 
Depends on whether or not you work in the lab.
To some degree.
 
Is there an accessible way into finding out what cool stuff is involved in understanding it?
 
If you measure small enough signals sooner or later you care a lot about noise.
@JohnRennie Accessible...? Ehhh, I dunno.
 
I guess we're all just told to do $N^2$ measurements
 
4:10 PM
I think part of the problem is that to understand noise you have to understand statistics and signal processing at the same time.
@JohnRennie Funny you should mention that. As a student I hated the fact that in the lab classes they always said "blah blah counting statistics" but nobody ever explained where that damned sqrt(N) comes from.
The first chapter of my stat mech book did the random walk, and I finally understood the sqrt(N).
That was such a big deal for me.
I think that's when I decided that stat mech and I were going to be friends.
No joke.
From vzn:
> would you say your understanding of noise has changed (substantially?) since you worked in the martinis lab?
Yes. A lot.
 
Both of the projects I did as a grad student were essentially focused on noise.
From Emilio:
> Just for reference, what was the stat mech book?
Reif's book called Statistical and Thermal Physics, I think.
By the way, guys, I think asking for clarifications here is fine.
Like which book it was.
Yeah so, while I was a grad student there was this renaissance in superconducting parametric amplifiers.
You see, because of quantum mechanics, there's actually a limit to how "quiet" an amplifier can be.
There was this big push to get to that limit in the lab, and do it with high bandwidth, high saturation power, etc.
Super awesome to be part of that.
I didn't design the amplifiers, but I got to use them :D
 
@DanielSank And you got to the limit?
 
Irfan Siddiqi's group was a big player in that.
@EmilioPisanty More or less, although at this point we're limited in the noise performance by the fact that the wires we having going from the quantum limited amplifier to the next stage HEMT amplifier (shouts out the astro people in the room) are lossy.
We only keep around 12% of the photons we amplify :\
Interestingly, as explained here, the noise performance isn't our limiting factor any more.
The hardest thing about quantum measurement for us now is turning the measurement device on and off fast.
Ok, here's the next question from innisfree:
What inspired or motivated you to become a physicist? Were any teachers or family particularly important? or did you discover science yourself through books, TV and the internet? Were there ever any barriers - financial or social, or other - to your career or education? If so, how did you overcome them?
Well, definitely my dad to a large degree. He's a physicist (works for NASA) and when I was a kid, every question I asked how about stuff works was met with "Now remember the universe is made of atoms...".
And, importantly, those discussions almost always ended with "Don't ever believe anything I tell you unless you think about it and check it out and it makes sense to you."
The internet wasn't really a thing when I was young.
So not that.
Books... yeah, a little. I had some books about space that I liked.
I was also always super duper interested in biology. In fact, when I was a kid, the reason I wanted to be a physicist was to grow up and create prosthetic limbs for injured people.
 
vzn
how about physics heroes? "the greats"? from history/ current? any that you relate to/ read about/ admire etc?
 
4:21 PM
@vzn Interesting question.
Regarding heroes, I'd say that wasn't a huge influence. I did always take note that Einstein was able to figure out a huge amount of new stuff by following lines of reasoning to their logical conclusion.
I also noted that he was known to be very good at math, despite urban legends to the contrary.
I've always admired good calculators.
I really liked math as a kid too... even in a weird aesthetic sense... as in I liked to look at the pretty symbols even if I didn't understand them.
So to wrap up the main question: there weren't any financial barriers.
Mom and dad are a doctor and a physicist, so no problem there.
I went to public school for most of my lower education though.
 
Private school for 3rd, 4th, and 5th grades because the elementary school wasn't too crowded/crazy at the time.
All the rest was public.
No social barriers.
I got picked on a bit as a nerd, but I was huge for my age so that never went far :D
innisfree asked about teachers.
Teachers were very important.
I had some good physics teachers in high school.
I also had a terrible chemistry teacher and guess what!? I decided I hated chemistry.
Funny story:
I used to never finish quizzes and tests in high school physics.
Teacher knew I was good at physics etc. so he asks "Hey Sank, how come you never finish your tests? You get every question you do correct, but you don't finish. What gives?"
I said "You know, Mr. Patt, I'd rather get one rocket to the moon than blow up two of them trying".
He left me alone after that.
The next question in the meta list is kind of wandering and I'm not sure how to answer it.
Oh, Emilio asked if there are any physicists I really admire.
I admire people who take hard problems and just go.
Robert McDermott is a real inspiration for me.
For like forty years we've all known that superconducting metals exhibit magnetic noise. This noise is a huge problem for superconducting qubits.
However, nobody made any progress or even really tried for several decades.
Then Robert comes along and he's just been so focused at solving that one problem.
He's made real progress. We have strong evidence that oxygen is the culprit.
He's fanned the flames of interest in the theory community to model the system and understand what's going on.
He's done this by providing data that just didn't exist before.
As a colleague said "The job of the experimentalist is to make the unmeasurable measureable".
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Robert has done that with creativity and dedication.
Ok, from the meta, Constantine Black asks:
Your opinion on the current existing system of higher education over the world. What do you believe for the way the Masters and PhDs are working in physics. For example, do you think that they are too much directed towards the needs of the working sector or not. Any ideas and experiences on the field. Also, maybe a brief discussion for the PhD program of the USA, do you think it works, should it be like this, is it a good opportunity for someone to study physics in the US and why?
Most importantly, as you mentioned for the noise in systems an that it was completely a missing subject in your education, are there any thoughts on reshaping- reformulating the universities programs and towards what directions- what classes should be omitted and what should be added?
In the end to put it compact, do you have any ideas on the didactics of physics?
I don't know that much about physics education outside the USA.
 
@DanielSank,How should one study physics?
 
@ItachíUchiha Well, that's a really broad question.
Patiently, I'd say.
There were a few patterns I noticed in college that I think indicate room for improvement in our educational system.
The first is that math is taught really badly in my experience.
 
@DanielSank to scientists?
 
4:35 PM
It's too much memorization and not enough focus on what's going on and how to use it to do interesting stuff.
@JohnRennie I'm mostly thinking high school, actually.
I spent every single summer as an undergraduate re-discovering and re-inventing all the mathematics I needed in order to really understand my physics books.
A companion problem, and I really think this is a major problem, is that physics book authors abuse the bejeezus out of mathematical notation.
There's hardly any distinction between variables and functions.
 
@DanielSank Any quick references to a book you think finds the right balance there?
 
How many of us have been confused by coordinate transformations, or this ridiculous issue of "active" versus "passive" transformations?
If you use the right notation all of that stuff is a lot more clear.
@EmilioPisanty Well, that GR book by Carroll is an example of someone doing it right.
Part of Constantine's question was about whether education is too tailored toward the working sector.
In my experience, quite the opposite.
I was not required to learn basic electronics as a physics undergraduate. This, in retrospect, was ridiculous.
I want to share another story.
I spent one summer understanding the Fourier transform.
It was motivated by the fact that none of my classes ever introduced it until my quantum mechanics prof. started using it.
We were all like "what the hell is that?" and he eventually became exasperated and said "look, it's just a basis transformation".
So, I spent all summer working out the details of that and coming up with a notation to make it all clear.
I eventually worked it all up into a series of two "lectures" which I presented at an undergraduate journal club.
The response to that was one of the most gratifying things in my whole life.
We had these little feedback cards where you write stuff so that the speaker could learn to improve.
People wrote stuff like "Made it all seem so simple" etc. etc.
Here's my work from that summer. It needs a lot more work and the TeX might not build right now as I moved everything from an old SVN repo to github.
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Ok so next topic...
This is a great question from John Duffield:
Quantum computing has been around now for nearly forty years, and hasn't delivered anything. Meanwhile ordinary computing has advanced in leaps and bounds. So: is quantum computing just some two-bit jam-tomorrow hype that's never going to deliver anything? Is it going to quietly fade away like string theory, having consumed millions of publicly-funded man-hours, all for nought? Man hours that could have been productively spent on say optical computing, as per Taming Light at the Nanoscale?
Let's start with the "hasn't delivered anything" bit.
I disagree.
We've delivered Shor's algorithm, which shows that quantum computing is probably actually useful.
We've delivered hardware that actually works.
Forty years ago we didn't have high quality coupled qubits.
Now we do.
We've invented quantum limited amplifiers, we've discovered all kinds of stuff about what causes loss at the quantum scale in solid state devices, we've violated the Bell inequality in new ways with far higher certainty than ever before...
The comparison to classical computing is important.
John's right that we haven't beaten classical computers on anything yet, much less any economically important problems.
....but we're getting there. When I started grad school doing single qubit experiments was a big deal.
Nowadays we put nine coupled qubits into the cryostat and think nothing of it.
We've improved the coherence of our qubits by more than a factor of 100x since I started as a grad student.
Other groups have even higher coherence than we do (at the cost of other stuff... it's always a trade-off).
As for allocation of man-hours... while I agree that we would all like to spend time on the most important and beneficial stuff, I think it's completely unrealistic to expect scientists to go work on whatever "you" think is the most important thing.
::shrugs::
Those were the highest upvoted questions from the meta.
Anyone want to talk about anything else?
Hah
From John Rennie:
> What's it like to work at Google?
It's awesome. It's a physicist's paradise.
As a grad student working on government grants, we had to stick to milestones for ~five years.
At Google, if we discover that we need to adjust our course, the higher-ups understand that we know what we're doing.
Of course, we have end-goals, but we're allowed to decide how to get there.
We get to work with other groups within Google too!
Google is full of amazing programmers, and the company encourages people to spend time on projects other than their main mandate.
So, we've been able to get some folks to regularly contribute to our code!
 
4:54 PM
Is it an exciting place to work? - stupid question - just how amazingly exciting and cool is it to work there?
 
@JohnRennie It's very exciting. People are really into what they do, and interested to hear about our work.
We even have help from people doing things like e.g. programming our FPGA's, and even laying out lithography masks for our devices.
Google is full of all kinds of engineers. Not just programmers.
We also get to try out the new apps before they go public :D
From Emilio:
> Question: What's your take on D-Wave?
DWave has done an absolutely amazing thing in building an analog machine to the precision that they have.
They're working on making it better.
I don't know all that much about the company... I don't work for them.
 
vzn
@DanielSank do you/ other lab members/ martinis et al have a (general) take on DWave and/or adiabatic computing? (or somewhat like/ reflecting media controversy) does everyone around there have different opinions?
 
@JohnRennie One of the things I really, really like about Google is that we're all educated in important stuff you might not think of.
For example, we get training on how to interview.
That is one of the most valuable skills I've learned so far in my job here.
@vzn I mean... we're working on it too. We gave a talk about our devices at the APS meeting.
 

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