The h Bar

I'm just impressed by the madness here. =) I have 4 email accounts and I know the password to all of them (I have that many because of school emails and I switched schools and they never deleted the old ones and I have a personal email too).

0celo7

Nope, the email is from the official Imgur account

Andras Deak

@0celo7 that would still make the most sense

0celo7

@heather I have a terrible memory

I was dropped as a child

ACuriousMind

11:29 PM

@0celo7 Uh, I think then you need to click on the g+ icon on the imgur sign in page to access your account

Andras Deak

@0celo7 and not onto memory foam?

0celo7

@ACuriousMind I. Did.

Wrong password.

Andras Deak

that's amazingly weird:D

ACuriousMind

You click on that icon and it says "wrong password"?

heather

@0celo7, gotcha =P

ACuriousMind

11:31 PM

Sounds like you broke imgur :P

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Yes, I reset all my passwords now. It works.

Andras Deak

maybe you were entering your g+ password as a native imgur password?

0celo7

Official first picture on my new phone

I couldn't be bothered to get the whole book in the frame, no.

Andras Deak

oh sorry, I read it as "of my new phone", it was slightly less not amusing that way

heather

I'm slightly annoyed at Nature right now

I mean the journal, not the exterior world =)

0celo7

11:32 PM

I generally hate nature

the exterior world

it's always too damn hot, too damn cold

or there's bugs

heather

bugs are terrible

0celo7

etc.

heather

but anyway, I want to access these two papers about quantum computing

and I can only read the abstract

=(

And I don't want to pay $8 to access them both for a limited period of time.

0celo7

If you're reading about QM you're at a university

Probably an R1

Andras Deak

@heather nonsense, journals are robbery

0celo7

11:34 PM

so just use institution access

heather

(Seriously, whoever came up with these prices didn't have money-less middle school students who aren't at university in mind.)

ACuriousMind

I'm pretty sure you can find whatever you want to know about quantum computing elsewhere

heather

@ACuriousMind, yeah, probably. But google took me here first =P

@0celo7, I don't have institution access!

ACuriousMind

First thing to do is to check whether the papers are posted to arXiv

0celo7

@ACuriousMind When I restored the backup of my phone I saw texts from FLP :(

user218912

11:37 PM

@0celo7 why'd he leave again?

0celo7

We had a fight.

Andras Deak

@heather are you familiar with the sci-hub project?

user218912

@0celo7 seriously?

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 I don't know what I am supposed to do with that information.

0celo7

If it doesn't mean anything to you, ignore it

heather

11:39 PM

@AndrasDeak, I enter the title...and I have it. Wow. No, I wasn't familiar with it (or I forgot about it, one of the two =) Does it have every paper in existence?

Andras Deak

nope:)

heather

It found both papers! Wow!

Andras Deak

but it's the only one that's left and often has what you need. There used to be a lot of projects like this (bookfi, genlib, libgen...), they get shut down sooner or later for copyright infringement

ACuriousMind

@AndrasDeak It might be prudent to remark that the legality of that source is...questionable.

0celo7

...are you really pirating things on the hbar?

heather

11:40 PM

wait, wait, rewind: details, please?

Andras Deak

is sci-hub illegal?

heather

^

Andras Deak

sorry, can't edit my message above now, mortal 2 minute window over

@ACuriousMind you're free to edit it for me, I don't want to cause any issues here

heather

@ACuriousMind, would you mind elaborating?

ACuriousMind

@heather Well, SciHub gets those papers by taking researchers' login data for journals, downloading everything they have access to and then uploading it without a paywall

heather

11:42 PM

@ACuriousMind, I see what you mean by the legality being questionable.

Andras Deak

Yeah, that should go against the ToS of most journals

0celo7

holy shit it's almost 2017

ACuriousMind

It does not disclose the source of the login data and in most cases putting those papers up will violate the copyright of the journal or at least some sort of terms of service

heather

Sci-Hub

Sci-Hub is an online search engine with over 58,000,000 academic papers and articles available for direct download, bypassing publisher paywalls. New papers are uploaded daily when accessed through educational institution proxies, and papers that have been accessed through Sci-Hub are stored in the LibGen repository. Sci-hub was founded by Kazakh graduate student Alexandra Elbakyan in 2011, as a reaction to the high cost of research papers behind paywalls, typically US$30 each when bought on a per-paper basis. In 2015 academic publisher Elsevier filed a legal complaint in New York City against...

user218912

@0celo7 what are your new years resolutions?

heather

11:43 PM

^says Elsevier is sueing the person who started it, but its going to be almost impossible to shut down, if I skimmed correctly

0celo7

do they hack the login info?

heather

no, I think they are volunteered by academics and such, according to wiki

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 It's likely that researchers provide it willingly because they support the free access SciHub promises, but of course there's no way to check.

heather

publishers claim however that they are gained by phishing

0celo7

Why can't they check? Certainly some researcher downloading 1000s of articles would be strange.

Andras Deak

11:45 PM

Every once in a while a guy mass-downloads articles from a publisher, then soon Einstein's face starts popping up every once in a while when you want to read a paper

but yes, one would think that it's easy to filter for such events on the server side

0celo7

personally, I pay for articles every time

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 I think many of these credentials are per institution, not per researcher

Andras Deak

maybe they pay the IT guys the same amount as they pay for reviewers:D

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Hmm. At my school you have to be on campus to download stuff

You can apply for a proxy, but that's probably monitored

Andras Deak

@0celo7 but isn't that still using the university subscription?

that's indeed how it works here

0celo7

11:48 PM

yes

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 Still, all the publisher sees is the university account accessing the papers. The university could probably track who's doing it, but I think they won't disclose that info easily to the publishers

Also, I can use the university subscription from anywhere I like with many journals

0celo7

How do you log in?

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 Often by "Shibboleth" - it leads you to a university login page, where you login with your university account, and then the university tells the publisher that that IP/user is authorized to use the subscription. I'm pretty sure the publisher is never told who accessed what.

0celo7

NO NO NO

MY PHONE CRASHED

Er, music app

Andras Deak

your new and shiny phone?

0celo7

11:51 PM

I just lost 20 minutes of clicking

Andras Deak

that's cruel

0celo7