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user116211

7:00 AM

Good night @Daniel; I would love to hear your progress in your book, btw.

Anonymous

@DanielSank See this question was closed on Physics SE physics.stackexchange.com/questions/276432/… . But the exact same question was allowed on Physics Forums physicsforums.com/threads/… ....but as you know quality of Physics Forums is not that good .

Anonymous

@MAFIA36790 Have a look

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Will it be ok if I ask support on other Science related stack exchange sites ? Or it will seem awkward ?

Anonymous

I'm amazed that Beekeeping on Area 51 can have so many followers :-P @JohnRennie...

Anonymous

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Beekeeping

Proposed Q&A site for anyone interested in caring for, maintaining, learning, making hives, or starting a colony of bees.

Currently in definition.

David Z

7:08 AM

@S007 well, I think Physics Forums does quite well for a different kind of Q&A model

Anonymous

@DavidZ I know. But it really lacks quality.

Anonymous

If we could add quality to that model it would be excellent

David Z

What I'm saying is that it doesn't lack quality, at least not as much as some people seem to think

I guess I really shouldn't get into this discussion because I have to leave chat shortly though :-P

Anonymous

Well... if you say so xD

Anonymous

BTW please have a look at the new site proposal before you leave...we need some support

Anonymous

7:10 AM

Bye then

David Z

My suggestion is to think precisely about what it is that Physics Forums lacks ("quality" is pretty vague in the grand scheme of things), and that will help define the proposal

John Rennie

@S007 I probably wouldn't post on the meta of the other SE science sites, though you could ask in their chat rooms.

Anonymous

Ok I am thinking... :-) @DavidZ @JohnRennie Well I could do that...

DanielSank

@S007 in my opinion, that question is if topic because it doesn't ask a question. If OP has simply asked about the conceptual differences between the method and asked why one is right and the other wrong, it would have been fine.

I conjecture that you will want the same basic level of good question asking practice in the new site.

@MAFIA36790 it's been a few days since I worked on it.

Anonymous

@DanielSank Well, that question will be on topic on the new site because the OP is stuck and needs help in identifying whihc method is correct

Anonymous

7:20 AM

Also considerable effort has been shown

Anonymous

I conjecture that you will want the same basic level of good question asking practice in the new site.----- Of course!

Anonymous

7:36 AM

@JohnRennie Do you think this should be acceptable on the new site? I think it is ok. physicsforums.com/threads/…

John Rennie

Yes, that seems OK

DanielSank

@S007 for whatever it's worth, I think a good fraction of the closed posts on this site need only need minor edits to be on topic.

Anonymous

@DanielSank Well see physics.stackexchange.com/questions/247719/…

Anonymous

This question really is ok...it is not possible to boil down everything to one concept

Anonymous

For #2, you might want to consider Mathematics instead. Note that we aren't a homework-help service, so #1 (and likely #3 as well) are considered off-topic here. You can make this on-topic by changing the question to ask about the physics concept that is giving you trouble.----- I stronly disagree with this!

Anonymous

7:40 AM

I would like to allow it in the new site

DanielSank

@S007 it asks three questions, which is already a problem on any SE site, but let's look past that.

Question #1 is sort of ok, but doesn't need all the math there to be asked.

Question #2, as you say, should be in Math.SE, and in particular should be it's own post.

Anonymous

Well 1 and 3 are acceptable at least

Anonymous

For that the whole question should'nt be closed

Anonymous

2---yeah....that is math

Anonymous

but we could answer the rest

Anonymous

7:43 AM

moreover once closed...hardly questions are opened

DanielSank

Question #3 is actually fine but should be reworded.

Anyway, the real problem in that post is lack of focus. I doubt you want that same lack of focus in the new site.

Anonymous

Ok we can make a policy regarding focus of question

Anonymous

For the time being atleast you can add 5 new questions in the proposal...regarding the type of question you want...and add a discussion thread if you get time

DanielSank

@S007 yes but now notice what you're doing: you're saying that you've found an example of a question which is off-topic here but on topic on the new site if it were better.

Anonymous

"if it is slightly reworded"

DanielSank

7:46 AM

Surely you see the problem with that reasoning.

Anonymous

yes

Anonymous

I doubt that even if it was reworded

Anonymous

it would'nt be allowed

Anonymous

on PSE

Anonymous

PSE is not a check my work type of site

DanielSank

7:48 AM

If we were to fix the problems we just agreed on in that post, it would be fine on PSE.

Anonymous

i highly doubt that...

DanielSank

@S007 nothing in that question is check my work.

Not any of the three questions listed in the post asks for a work check.

Anonymous

Well, then I would tell you to edit that post as you think would be correct and lets see the results...whether it will be reopened

Anonymous

I dont think it will

Anonymous

@DanielSank

DanielSank

7:50 AM

I'm on my phone in bed so I won't, unfortunately.

Anonymous

Well :-P

DanielSank

I could get that reopened. 100% guaranteed.

Anonymous

I really wish to see how :-)

DanielSank

It needs considerable changed though because as I said, it's three questions in one, which is bad.

@S007 ugh ok getting laptop...

Anonymous

anyway im tired now...i'll get back after few hours and check it...good luck.. :-)

Anonymous

7:52 AM

@DanielSank Well no need to hurry :-P

Anonymous

take your time

Anonymous

Well, let us have a bet. If you can get that question opened within a week I will abandon the new site proposal :-D

DanielSank

@S007 Well wait a second.

That sounds too easy for me.

Let's establish the goals more carefully.

First, I plan to delete two of the three questions.

Are we agreed that this is ok?

If you want, you can post the ones I delete as separate, individual posts and see if they get closed.

Anonymous

Leave 1 and 3...atleast

Anonymous

ok dont post a new question

DanielSank

7:57 AM

@S007 I will keep 1 or 3 and propose that you pose the other one by itself.

Anonymous

ok

DanielSank

Good.

I will keep #1.

We agree that #2 can be deleted entirely because it's obvious how to make it a good question on Math.SE, yes?

Anonymous

yes

DanielSank

Ok then. Now, let me say that it is not my goal that you should abandon the new site.

My goal is to show that simply by asking good questions, i.e. by adhering to basic principles of crafting good, answerable questions, almost every question you would want on the new site can live here.

Anonymous

@DanielSank That would be good...but I need some help to keep it alive and make the rule...i alone cant do it

Anonymous

7:59 AM

we need to decide the policies together

Anonymous

I can't be the only one making rules

DanielSank

I am also trying to point out that while most people think these questions are closed for being homework, that's not the case. They are closed for being badly written questions.

I believe @ACuriousMind somewhat agrees with that.

(of course, some posts are just copy/paste homework problems with no actual question at all from the user. Those are obviously off topic here and in the new site, I think.)

Anonymous

@DanielSank you know what? they are marked as homework...see the close reason...i too agree with that somewhat

Anonymous

This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave this specific reason:

"Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. We want our questions to be useful to the broader community, and to future users. See our meta site for more guidance on how to edit your question to make it better" – ACuriousMind, Kyle Kanos, AccidentalFourierTransform, MAFIA36790, CuriousOne

DanielSank

@S007 Did you at least skim the meta post I linked above?

Here's the link again.

Anonymous

8:02 AM

Get rid of the word "homework" (mostly) ---- I agree

Anonymous

yes

Osheen Sachdev

8:24 AM

Hello Everybody

I had a doubt in a question

in this question doesnt the answer depend on the distance of the observer from the glass slab?

The closer the observer would be to the slab the wider would be area of bottom...

Anonymous

@OsheenSachdev Well the question assumes you see it from nearby distance

Anonymous

Keeping the eye close

Osheen Sachdev

@S007 so closer the eye greater would be the area...

Anonymous

yep

Osheen Sachdev

but then how can we determine the answer?

Anonymous

8:32 AM

keep the eye very very close to the slab

Anonymous

thats an assumption

Anonymous

its very common

Osheen Sachdev

okay...

@S007 i get it now...thanks

Anonymous

no probs

Anonymous

@DanielSank How's it going ? The edit ? :-)

Osheen Sachdev

8:40 AM

@S007 can you also try to explain what the solution given says?

Its too short and I am not able to understand it

wait won't the ray internally reflect if we keep our eye too close?

because angle i will become very large

Anybody?

Anonymous

11:01 AM

@JohnRennie I wrote a meta post for several sites and also requested in their chat. We got 3 followers today. Probably we will reach 5 by today. I also asked on quora. Is this rate ok ? Usually how many followers do successful proposals on Area 51 get per day? Any idea ?

Anonymous

Do you suggest any changes btw ?

John Rennie

@S007 I have no idea I'm afraid. I've never done this before. I suspect it's not going to be hard to get followers because that doesn't require any effort. The hard bit is going to be getting the 40 questions. Since we can only post 5 questions each we now rely on new followrs to post the remaining 30 questions.

Anonymous

Can we contact new users in any way ? Will it be polite to leave a request on one of their answers ?

Anonymous

@JohnRennie

Anonymous

Stack Exchange doesn't give direct messages and that is a problem :/

John Rennie

11:06 AM

I'm not sure about leaving a comment on an answer of theirs. It would annoy me if people started doing that here. You could ask in the chat though.

Anonymous

Well, I will try to contact them by chat. If not I will leave a message on one of their old answers. If they seem annoyed I will not do it. No other option... Anyway thanks for all your help...If there is any progress I will discuss tomorrow :-)

Anonymous

Bbye

Anonymous

@JohnRennie

heather

11:37 AM

@S007, @JohnRennie, I wholeheartedly support this proposal. I have followed it and am adding example questions.

@S007, could you please link to one of your meta posts?

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