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12:00 PM
If my diagram is right then it means I have a better understand on how to visualise intrinsic curvature, if not it means I need to go back to the drawing board

Now to find what counterexamples will make the diagram fail
 
You can recover Newtonian gravity by having curvature just in the timelike component, by the way
 
I often check my illustrations with my professors this way, though a lot cautions that I am trying to visualise something of too high dimensional

I also did a simialr thing in a big personal project with 3 of my friends on matrices, and results are so far so good

@Slereah interesting, should have a look. since its newtonain, I might be able to analyse this quickly
 
It's in one of the post-it notes of MTW, if you want to look
 
Newton & The Evidence?
:D
 
Action at a distance is popsci nonsense
It's all about the compression of the ether
 
12:03 PM
cool, I have MTW, I think I can flick through the pages quickly. Hopfully that copy of MTW my professor gave me still have that post it note
o btw, in case my above messages is tldr: for some of you, here is my major personal project in one page in my profile:
what page is that post it note located in MTW?
 
let's see
Might be chapter 12
If you disregard all terms but the mass in the stress energy tensor, and consider the field static and weak, you end up with newtonian gravity
And all the metric components except tt are flat
Hence you can view it as "curved time"
 
yup, that's the newtonian limit
this?
 
Probably yes
 
MTW?
 
12:18 PM
Misner, Thorpe and Wheeler
It's a rat nest of GR theorems
 
So we have EFE give curved spacetime
EFE with curvature in t only give newtonain gravity
and EFE with no curvature = minkosky spacetime?
My professor called that book the bible of GR
 
If the Riemann tensor is 0, it is Minkowski space, yes
Well much like the bible, it's kind of an awkwardly stapled together mish mash of unrelated things
It is good to have but not so great to look through
 
I tend to start with lecture notes, understand the maths, convert the key computation mentally into animations and then dig into books (sometimes I dig into books midway if I don't understand something or need elaboraton)
 
oh jeez
here we go with the pictures
@Rigor ARE YOU READY
 
Still researching ...
 
12:24 PM
@Secret all spaces with 0 Riemann curvature are isomorphic to Minkowski spacetime
 
...so many college games :-/
 
@Rigor are you gonna be watching?
I'm in section J
 
@ocelo7 ok, got that (flat spacetime message)

Above illustrate one of the largest topic of my personal research: Matrix visualisation


Here illustrate a 2x2 matrix
I have spent 3 months and a lot of basic algebraic properties can be derived form this

It has one major drawback which I am still tryign to sovle it with my friends, though

1. Eigenvalue computation is VERY messy, and gets messier as you increase the number of dimensions of the matrix
2. simialrly for kernals and inverses
3. Yet to generalise it into compelx matric without leading to visual clutter
 
@0celo7 I'll try, have fun pal.
 
dude I have to wash my white clothes
this checker pattern must be amazing
 
12:27 PM
Do it.
 
To have fun, state a well known matrix property, see if my illustration can handle that

You might end up stating something I have no considered yet and this will be incoporated inot the next revision
 
I have no idea how to visualize a matrix
I'm not sure it's useful either way
@Secret Straumann does that, but better
 
Straumann is basically a tidier MTW
Does Straumann have the metric of a monochromatic wave
 
@0celo7 Read this before you go.
 
@Slereah all linear operators are linear, yes
 
12:32 PM
What's a common non-linear operator on Hilbert spaces
 
time reversal
please tell me it's antilinear
 
Is it
oh right
 
haha, I win
 
Well, anti-linear isn't that far from linear :p
you still don't get nonlinear terms
 
(cont.)
1 For example: matrix transpose
n>2 = messy and not fullly worked out yet
 
12:35 PM
I'm still sick
 
Did you try drinking blood
The blood of the innocent
 
and my package will be arriving during the game
 
It is pretty good for eternal youth
 
(cont.)
Step 1 Draw lines where the off diagonal component are
Step 2 Reflect these lines along y=x
Step 3 Draw new matrix by shaering the column vectors towards the new lines, but keeping the diagonal compoents (axial in the diagram) constant
Step 4 New matrix is the transpose
The matrix transpose is one of the operations in these diagrams that is more efficiently carried out in the traditional algebraic way than in my way
 
@0celo7 the humidity is not helping
 
12:42 PM
@Danu :: Giggles :: Congrats on having found your most perfect match!
Creeps :D
 
@Rigor now it's moved to my lungs
this is the same sickness I get every year it seems
I get this tickle in my throat and have to cough
 
@TheDarkSide Not really... It's the little sister of my ex :\ She has a crush on me...
 
@0celo7 which page in straumann are his matrix illustrations located?
 
@Danu Wow. She has a crush on you and she complimented the smell of your sweat! How nice :D
 
12:49 PM
little sister @Danu :P
 
@TheDarkSide woopie :P
@Rigor She's not blond :P
 
@Secret no one illustrates matrices
 
Oh, not all girls in this thing are blondes :P
 
I don't see the point
 
Theoretical physics rarely even write them down :p
 
12:51 PM
@Danu peroxide can fix that :D
 
They just say THIS IS A MATRIX AND THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES
 
Stop shouting :P
 
I am just so excited about matrix properties
Writing matrices down is for engineers, doncha know :p
 
why does Gottlieb throw around his title and Caltech so much
 
@0celo7 His title?
 
12:55 PM
> Mike Gottlieb / Editor, The Feynman Lectures on Physics New Millennium Edition
he literally signed a post with that
 
Why would he brag about a book he didn't write
Sort of odd
 
@Danu - Thanks for letting me know about the votes to reopen. That is encouraging. However, the only bars you will ever find me in are the Hayman Lounge or the Rathskeller in the Caltech Athenaeum :->! — Michael A. Gottlieb yesterday
 
@0celo7 That's not a title
That's a job description :P
 
@0celo7 I think, for a change DavidZ got really pissed at that, as much as I can make out from his answer to that meta question.
 
I don't think he has a PhD
 
12:57 PM
he's got a chip on his shoulder though :P
 
@Danu ok, you get my point
 
you may call me High Wizard Slereah
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Patriarch of the Church of Physics
 
emphasize "high" there
 
High Wizard & The Evidence :P
 
I'm so high it's hard to overlook me. - Ludacris
 
12:58 PM
@0celo7 so as to see what every single matrix operation is doing for an arbitrary matrix (not just any particular matrix) as if mathematics is just a very weird physical space where the mathematical objects are like atoms with well defined interactions

They often said matrices and tensors are geometric, I understand what geometric means in the abstract sense ("transformation of components under a change of basis, so that the object as a whole (components + basis" remains unchanged) but such is simply not visual enough (at least to me)
 
Don't listen to those pop magic theories
I have the High Elven Mages on my side
And the evidence
 
:D
 
dude
you can write the EFE as a diagram
show him, Sam
draw the tentacles
 
ThEE Evidence
 
Hm
Let's see if there's the EFE as tentacles
 
1:00 PM
penrose squiggles $\TM$
you know what I mean
 
That's the Bianchi identity, apparently
Can't seem to find the EFE, though
Probably because that would be stupid
 
You might need to describe this diagram, it looks more like a logic gate symbol or transitor to me
 
I have to say, I don't disagree with Gottlieb
I would not be on PSE if not for this chat
 
black bar is antisymmetrisation
A leg is a tensor indice
 
I would have nowhere near my current knowledge of mathematics and physics -- all my questions would have been closed as homework
 
1:02 PM
Lower for lower, upper for upper
a dot is a derivative
circle is covariant derivative
wait
 
but for some reason "look at MSE" is a super duper argument for our homework policy
 
what's the dot
MSE?
 
@0celo7 Shit happens :D
 
math SE
 
I've consistenly been able to avoid having my questions closed as homework, by phrasing them in an appropriate way.
 
1:04 PM
^
 
@Danu I just think it's a shame that young aspiring physicists/whateverthehellIam can't get questions answered on this site (easily)
 
I wonder if you could publish a paper just with SE questions
 
@Danu you're also smarter than the average asker?
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Q: How to prove $(\gamma^\mu)^\dagger=\gamma^0\gamma^\mu\gamma^0$?

DanuStudying the basics of spin-$\frac{1}{2}$ QFT, I encountered the gamma matrices. One important property is $(\gamma^5)^\dagger=\gamma^5$, the hermicity of $\gamma^5$. After some searching, I stumbled upon this interesting Phys.SE answer to an earlier question on this forum. Specifically, I am int...

 
smarter than the average bear
 
@0celo7 lol
 
1:05 PM
you're really telling me that does not violate policy?
that violates homework and math
 
@0celo7 It's just not true.
@0celo7 I think it violates math, not homework
 
@Danu how can you get help with an exercise on this site if you don't know where to start
 
the problem of a lot of questions from beginner physicists is that they try to get answers for a theory they mounted in their head
 
I thought specific proofs of equations in texts are considered homework
at least, that's what KK's stated policy was
 
1:07 PM
well you are supposed to at least give them your best shot
And include the work you've done
 
@0celo7 My question was about proving it in a representation-independent way. By choosing a representation it's reduced to a trivial computation.
@0celo7 By finding out exactly what conceptual issue is tripping them up.
 
how are you supposed to do that
 
Contemplation :D
 
Prayer
Do the holy rituals of physics
 
I don't like pulling the 17yo card, but sometimes we just get hopelessly stuck
 
1:11 PM
1) write the problem on a piece of paper
 
at least I know I have
 
2) stare at it intently
 
I can't give you an algorithm to produce acceptable questions, but I feel like I've never really had trouble phrasing things in such a way that they're accepted on this site.
 
3) take a new piece of paper, go back to 1
 
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Q: How do I derive the Lorentz contraction from the invariant interval?

DanuReviewing some basic special relativity, and I stumbled upon this problem: From the definition of the proper time: $$c^2d\tau^2=c^2dt^2-dx^2$$ I was able to derive the time dilation formula by using $x=vt$: $$c^2d\tau^2=c^2dt^2-v^2dt^2=c^2dt^2\left(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}\right)\rightarrow d\tau = dt\...

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Q: Deriving an equation involving Killing vectors

DanuI'm currently studying Carroll's GR book Spacetime & Geometry, and ran into some trouble understanding the text. When discussing Killing vectors, Carroll mentions that one can derive $$K^{\lambda}\nabla_{\lambda}R=0$$ That is, the directional derivative of the Ricci scalar along a Killing vector ...

I would VTC both of those (no offense).
In the first, I don't see a specific concept.
 
1:13 PM
them's fighting words
 
The latter is a math problem.
 
What one fool can do, another can
 
@0celo7 Eat your heart out
 
Ok I see what you mean, but I think you might be mistaken
when I said I want to convert them into diagrams, I don't mean simply converting one symbol into some geometric shapes and then put them together so that it gives the required expression, because in such case we are just writing the same thing abstractly but using different symbols

What I am trying to achieve is similar to how vector addition is commonly illustrated, each shape has a well defined meaning.

For example:
A vector looks like an arrow because its n components carries the notion of direction, which affect the outcome whe
 
(also note that policy was different before you became a member)
 
1:14 PM
@Danu I'm not going to
@Danu for that reason
Do you agree that they are VTC worthy in today's climate?
 
Even with the first one, I think there is a conceptual issue: I knew already how to derive the correct expressions. I wanted to frame it in a purely invariant-interval approach.
I didn't see how to do it, so I asked.
It's not crystal clear from my formulation, though.
 
(cont.) For It is possible to see that the matrix is a linear map from that illustration of mine, because only the 1st component affect the first column vector and second component affecting the second column vector, which is the same as the mathematical version shown here:|

$(\mathbf{v1}\mathbf{v2})(a b)^T=a\mathbf{v1}+b\mathbf{v2}$
 
lol
 
I don't see anything funny.
Besides your face, of course :P
I should get breakfast
 
(I can see your deleted messages)
 
1:20 PM
rest assured I'm not that dumb IRL
I'm just unfed
@Slereah can you draw the EFEs in penrose squiggle notation?
 
I probably could, but I'd have to actually draw them
 
do eet
 
No time now
Going to friends in a lil bit
 
@Slereah Umm ,forgot my comment that you are mistaken, I have not read enough about the squiggle notation, sorry for that
 
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Q: Deriving the slow-roll parameter $\eta$

DanuIn inflationary theory, many papers start off by making the slow-roll approximation, on which many things depend. This approximation is usually presented by requiring that two 'slow-roll parameters' are small: $$\epsilon_V\equiv\frac{1}{16\pi G}\left(\frac{V'}{V}\right)^2 \ll 1$$ $$|\eta_V|\equiv...

> note that I am not asking for an intuitive explanation, I understand what the second parameter represents, I just wanna know how to derive it
Conceptual issue?
 
1:24 PM
@0celo7 There, I think I agree with you
(note the lack of upvotes on it!)
 
But if only based on what you said to me, then the penrose squiggle notation is not close to what I have in mind. Perhaps there's more background to the notation that I need to understand in order to interpret it fully
 
...though my last sentence does indicate the conceptual issue: I didn't see what approximation to take; Once someone told me it would've been fine.
So even then, it's not super obviously off-topic, but okay.
 
I could edit all those questions to make the conceptual nature more clear, but then they'd all be bumped to the top and that's kind of ridiculous (people scolded me for that earlier)
 
@Secret what on Earth...
 
1:26 PM
What I want to acheive for my diagrams is show above: That yo ucan actually do computation with them AND it illustrates the geometric meaning
 
this is why no one tries to draw matrices
not even engineers
and we're like the drawing kings
 
@Secret That looks pretty ridiculous to me :P
 
my dad has fond memories of "engineering drawing" class at 7:30 saturday morning
thank god we've done away with that BS
 
@Danu in a good or bad way?
 
bad
@Danu uhm, Weinberg has the EFEs with a negative in front of the T and he has a Nobel, so he > you and your conventions~~~~
 
1:31 PM
@DavidZ @dmckee Do you guys appreciate the large amount of comment-flagging that I do? Or should I just lay off? I'm mostly doing it because I recall a moderator telling me it's a good thing.
@0celo7 He has a Nobel in QFT.
 
he got $3,000,000 for it
he's still > you
(~~~ means /s)
(about the conventions)
(I don't think you're at Weinberg's level yet)
(you need to write a paper)
 
@0celo7 Silly misconception
 
@ACuriousMind hello
 
mornin
 
@0celo7 @Danu
(cont.)
Description of diagram:
1. Each square is 1 unit by 1 unit. a pair of parallel edges in the square acts like one forms
2. The vector is represented by an arrow
3. Matrix multiplication chops the horizontal and vertical components of the vector, here we see the horizontal component has 2 units because it spans 2 grids and the vertical component has 1+ a little bit more units
4. The point in the middle of the matrix is the origin. All vectors and matrices must be placed here before the computation starts
 
1:33 PM
@ACuriousMind nice time adjust there
or did you just wake up, too?
:D
 
@0celo7 I did just wake up :D
 
your parents must be horrified
 
...why should they?
 
@Secret Doesn't make much sense to me :P
 
...
It's like high school counting areas in a graph paper extended to the context of vectors, where each length of the gridline has a vector value
 
1:35 PM
@Danu indeed
@Danu how many citations do you have again?
 
"horizontal and vertical components"
@0celo7 Uncountable...
 
@ACuriousMind worried about your well being
@Danu matrices = fiber bundles
wow that makes so much sense
 
@0celo7 Why would sleeping in late be bad for my well being?
 
@0celo7 ...matrices on what?
 
Also, I only came home at ~4am, so it's not an excessive amount of sleep :P
 
1:36 PM
Of course there are endomorphism bundles
 
@ACuriousMind because your sleep schedule is nuts
 
@ACuriousMind Still pretty excessive!
 
@Danu oh I thought you were referencing the horz. and vert. split of vector fields on fiber bundles
 
@0celo7 I don't think "My sleep schedule is nuts" is a medical condition :D
 
there's bundles of everything
 
1:38 PM
@0celo7 I was quoting @Secret. Also fiber bundles won't really correspond to a layman explanation of matrix multiplication, eh? :P
 
I'm pretty sure sleeping in an unnatural pattern isn't great for your health
@Danu TIL Dutch = Canadian
 
Also don't you mean a SECTION of a bundle :V
 
I'll section your bundle ( Í¡° ͜ʖ Í¡°)
 
@0celo7 I'm pretty sure the alcohol consumption is the greater threat here :P
 
@Danu I am not even aware what a fibrer bundle is. the above diagram all came up in trying to visualise what each step of the matrix multiplication is doing
 
1:39 PM
@0celo7 eh?
 
@0celo7 Uhhhh...what? :D
 
But it looks really geometric to me, a grid made of vectors...
 
@Danu you and ACM say eh more than my Canadian sister in law
 
@Secret It looks really overly complicated to me, but to each his own
 
must be a german university student thing
@ACuriousMind :)
 
1:40 PM
Welp, time to go
Partying to do this week end
 
@Slereah Party on, High Wizard!
 
it's a bundle of fibers
like that Roman axe thing
 
It's the line bundle over the cylinder
 
that's a bundle of reeds
 
@0celo7 You mean a fasces.
 
1:42 PM
@ACuriousMind yup
see, Latin class was not wasted
oh god Danu can see that deleted message
please don't read it
 
@Danu Sorry that it looks complicated to you, I honestly am not aware about what fiber bundles are when I made this thing, I thought I am just having a grid of vectors

Reaction on this is mixed mostly positive

My professor John in differential geometry said it is not worthwhile to pursue this project because you can only handle a small number of dimensions before it gets too cluttered

I have a nursing friend who have absolutely no background on matrices managed to understand what I am saying and give comments on improving the diagram after I use this diagrams along with the maths to intr
 
...John
you call a full PhD...John?
what the fuck?
 
Professor John Steele
 
is his last name John?
 
It you are interested
 
1:45 PM
@ACuriousMind horrible thing the fasces...
 
I don't want to state that aloud to preseve privacy, but you seemed to mistaken him for another guy, thus I have to state his name full
 
I don't care who he is
why would you ever call a professor by his first name
 
Because austrlians does that
they much prefer people to call by their first name
 
I'd kill an undergrad who did that to me when I have a PhD
 
@0celo7 Man, you're stuck up.
 
1:48 PM
@ACuriousMind I would never dream of going up to a professor and being like "Hey Maik" or "Hey Alex"
 
@0celo7 a PhD does not give you a higher moral standard or status
 
and I would go into deep depression if they told me to do that
@yuggib It's a seniority issue!
 
@0celo7 People tend to be not so happy when they're treated as seniors :P
 
hell I don't feel comfortable calling my TAs by their first names
 
@0celo7 Well, I wouldn't presume to do that with everyone, but if they introduce themselves as "Maik" or "Alex", why not?
 
1:49 PM
@ACuriousMind I've never met a teacher or professor who did that
I'd be shocked if I ever did.
@Secret So it's common to call professors by their first names?
 
mhmm in austrlia
 
They don't have to make it explicitly clear that it's OK to do so?
 
@0celo7 In my expericence, the younger ones tend to do that.
 
Jesus, I could never live there. It must be like an alien wasteland.
 
they sometimes do, but it is an unspoken cultural property of australians
 
1:51 PM
That's incredibly foreign to me.
I don't even call my neighbors by their first names. If I do, it's Mister [first name].
 
China, on the other hand, you might felt familar, because native chinese professors hate people call by their first names
 
Mister [first name]? That is odd. :P
 
@ACuriousMind I'm encouraged to say "mister" when talking to my god father, but that's too far.
 
Just...wat. I'd never even consider calling a relative or friend of the family by anything else than their first names.
 
@0celo7 japan would be a good fit for you
 
1:54 PM
@yuggib I guess
I feel like the banhammer is looming
that Lady of Pain incident has me worried
 
"Lady of Pain incident" sounds far more ominous than what you actually wrote :D
 
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Q: Is each spacetime event a member of a subset of several events which are all pairwise characterized by interval values?

user12262In Wikipedia, spacetime intervals are presented explicitly under the heading "Spacetime intervals in flat space"; apparently including a presentation of spacetime intervals for (all) pairs of events in flat spacetime. Now, certainly spacetimes may be considered such that none of their subsets c...

@ACuriousMind ELI5 please
I still have no clue what he wants.
What does he mean by "not necessarily unique light cone"
What is nonunique about it?
@yuggib people like to be treated with respect
this whole first name business is just downright uncomfortable to me!
 
@0celo7 I don't understand what they want to tell us with the answer, but the question is, to me, if we can assign "distances" (or "spacetime intervals") to events in general. As I say in the comment, the answer is no, because you can't get a proper path length metric from the Lorentzian metric tensor, hence no proper notion of "distance".
 
@ACuriousMind in Germany my friends called me by my last name because they couldn't say "Ryan" properly
 

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