The h Bar

user54412

3:01 PM

@user1504 I've gone through enough "QFT" books to know how to evaluate any Feynman diagram out there, but I'd be interested to hear your take on what's a good book to understand the physics (as opposed to the symbol manipulation)

Crazy Buddy

So... finally, the programming stuff has disappeared..!

ManishEarth

@CrazyBuddy boo

Crazy Buddy

Yuck..!

user54412

@CrazyBuddy do you prefer sed, awk, or perl for doing regex substitutions in text files?

user54412

:P:P

ManishEarth

3:04 PM

sed, because I don't know awk :P

Crazy Buddy

Whole crap... started again -_-

ManishEarth

To generate #1 albums, 'jay --help' recommends the -z flag.

Larry Harson

@ChrisWhite I know zilch about quantum mechanics, never mind QFT, but I loved the look of the first few chapters in Weinberg's book that delved into its historical construction. Some authors just have that air of authority about them, others as, plagiarists

user1504

@ChrisWhite: That's a much more difficult question. :)

ManishEarth

@CrazyBuddy This time it's your fault!

user1504

3:06 PM

I've come around to the view that students should begin with lattice QFT.

Starting this way forces you to grapple with the ideas of effective field theory immediately.

ManishEarth

Given the new theme of the room, I shall temporarily rename it

room topic changed to The h FooBar: General chat for Physics Stack Exchange (physics.stackexchange.com) (no tags)

:P

Crazy Buddy

So, who gave this name Foobar ??? :D

ManishEarth

room topic changed to The h Bar: General chat for Physics Stack Exchange (physics.stackexchange.com) (no tags)

meh, not as catchy

@CrazyBuddy In programming books when you want to use a filler variable name you use foo, then bar, then baz, then quok

Foobar

The terms foobar , fubar, or foo, bar, baz and qux (alternatively quux) are sometimes used as placeholder names (also referred to as metasyntactic variables) in computer programming or computer-related documentation. They have been used to name entities such as variables, functions, and commands whose purpose is unimportant and serve only to demonstrate a concept. The words themselves have no meaning in this usage. Foobar is sometimes used alone; foo, bar, and baz are sometimes used in that order, when multiple entities are needed. The usage in computer programming examples and pseud...

Crazy Buddy

Ohh...

user54412

@LarryHarson Admittedly I haven't looked at Weinberg's QFT - I'm somewhat afraid though because his Cosmology is unnecessarily complicated IMO

user1504

3:10 PM

For particular textbooks: I like Smit's "Introduction to Quantum Fields on a Lattice" and Montvay & Munster's "Quantum Fields on a Lattice"

user54412

@user1504 Thanks - I'll take a look at those

user1504

You should exercise caution, as you apparently like to program, and lattice QFT is rather seductive.

I should say that neither of those textbooks is fully satisfactory.

ManishEarth

I'd like to learn QFT, but I first need to get my QM straight

Crazy Buddy

Okay... Back again... So, today we've assembled here as if we're gonna discuss about closing questions :D

Really..? Are we? :P

user54412

Isn't that not for another 47 minutes? ;)

ManishEarth

3:13 PM

in an hour, yes

user1504

The lattice QFT books are still mainly concerned with computation, so they don't spend much time worrying about exatctly what a QFT is.

ManishEarth

Until then we'll focus on discussing things that anno @CrazyBuddy :P

user1504

But they are better than the perturbative QFT particle physics books.

user54412

well, it might be nice to get my hands dirty with some computation

ManishEarth

I don't like computations that take more than 10 seconds

user1504

3:14 PM

The nicest thing I've seen about definitions in QFT is Hollands & Wald's paper about axiomatic QFT in curved spacetime, which cuts to the heart of the matter.

Last comment: Weinberg starts really nicely, but it degenerates into perturbative QFT after a few chapters.

user54412

2

user54412

Wonder what evil powers I have......

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite /tools

YAAAAAAAY

Also the ability to view deleted things

ShuklaSannidhya

@ManishEarth Try to solve this...

under 10 seconds...

Crazy Buddy

@ChrisWhite Oh my... Now, I'm alone... Booo hoooo :'(

ManishEarth

3:21 PM

@ShuklaSannidhya maybe later :P

user1504

alone?

ShuklaSannidhya

@ManishEarth maybe later == I can't.

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite On the other hand, today I got a cool badge

@ShuklaSannidhya I assume it wants more than just brute forcing sqrt(a) to sqrt (b)

There are now badges for being a moderator

ShuklaSannidhya

Why is the the derivative notation so misleading... $dx \over dy$, one may read it as $x \over y$.

ManishEarth

@ShuklaSannidhya Use fluxions

ShuklaSannidhya

3:26 PM

@ManishEarth Yeah... And my teacher would be like "what d'phuq are these dots?"

ManishEarth

@ShuklaSannidhya That's his/her problem

ShuklaSannidhya

@ManishEarth You use fluxions?

ManishEarth

nope

sometimes

when I'm lazy

user54412

Newton <-> dots; Leibniz <-> fractions; Newton > Leibniz; therefore... ;)

ManishEarth

I also use primes

user54412

3:28 PM

(when I was a college student, we debated Newton vs. Leibniz all the time - good old days)

ManishEarth

Yay, new debate to start! :P

ShuklaSannidhya

@ChrisWhite "Newton > Leibniz"? CITATION NEEDED!

user1504

You can always follow Einstein, and use subscripts.

ManishEarth

OK, as I just use both randomly there's no point in me debating :P

@user1504 Yah, but then the implicit sum and whatnot will confuse the teacher further :P

I use $\partial_x$ and $\mathrm d_x$ though

user54412

@ShuklaSannidhya citation - the Royal Society's "Commercium Epistolicum" ruled in favor of Newton over Leibniz

user54412

3:31 PM

(never mind that it was written by Newton...)

user1504

Heh, yeah. When I was a student, I'd use tensor calculus & subscripts when div grad and curl was expected. Caused trouble with the TA's sometimes.

ManishEarth

lol

ShuklaSannidhya

@ChrisWhite And I bet somewhere and sometime Leibniz wrote "Me > Newton"...

ManishEarth

I did that ... in a term paper. I was used to using summation notation while practicing. Oops

ShuklaSannidhya

@ManishEarth aren't fluxions only for time derivatives?

Crazy Buddy

3:35 PM

It's 9.... Convos haven't started yet..? :D

BTW, @ManishEarth: Your colg. didn't reopen yet..? o_O

user54412

@CrazyBuddy I feel bad for you - your summer breaks are so short

user54412

In the US, students demand 3-4 months of summer vacation

Crazy Buddy

Yeah... Of course.. That's why I hate my colg. :/ :D

user54412

well you're at least probably learning more - the average high school/college student here just forgets everything every summer and has to relearn it

Crazy Buddy

@ChrisWhite What..? Colleges --> 3-4 months..? Grr...

ShuklaSannidhya

3:39 PM

@CrazyBuddy ":/ :D" ? ironic...

Crazy Buddy

@ChrisWhite But, I forget too... Because, our syllabus is designed that way (so that students forget)...

First and second semester have no relation at all (neither does third) :D

From third, we study Aeronautics :)

ManishEarth

@ShuklaSannidhya Citation: On the Derivation of the Goregaokar-White inequality, M. Goregaokar and C. White, 2013 /cc @ChrisWhite

2

Crazy Buddy

and, subsequent semesters have relation to each other o_O

ManishEarth

@CrazyBuddy 15th

Crazy Buddy

@ManishEarth So, what's that actually..? :D

ManishEarth

3:43 PM

@ShuklaSannidhya yep. Not sure though. I usually use primes for derivatives wrt x, and fluxions for time

Crazy Buddy

(Do you do such things in IIT?)

ManishEarth

@CrazyBuddy Markov-chain generated

user54412

excellent!

Crazy Buddy

Woah... woah... woah... -_-

ShuklaSannidhya

@ManishEarth the terminal is very annoying - home.iitb.ac.in/~manishg

ManishEarth

3:45 PM

@ShuklaSannidhya I know. We had a very simple freshman web design competition. Finished the layout in 15-odd minutes, then got bored and saw the empty sidebar space

Crazy Buddy

2 events are starting..!

ShuklaSannidhya

@ManishEarth And it does some random things.

Well... my bad.... It ain't random.

ManishEarth

@CrazyBuddy Markov chains generators basically look at the frequency of words occurring in a certain pattern, and make sentences that sound legit based on that. Google "research paper generator", there are many that do this using a basis of research papers in a topic. I jut took the LaTeX of one and modified it a bit :P

Crazy Buddy

@ManishEarth Ahh... To speak truly, I learn a lot of stuff here (I mean, in chat)... So that, I can fool my friends :D

ManishEarth

@CrazyBuddy what's the other one? QOTW in the DMZ?

Crazy Buddy

3:51 PM

Yep...

@ManishEarth: It's really difficult when I think of entering new chat rooms...

David Zaslavsky

hey there

user54412

Hi @David

user54412

here to announce the start of the event, as always? :P

ManishEarth

lol

42 mins ago, by Chris White

@DavidZaslavsky ^

David Zaslavsky

nah, this is Manishearth's event

ManishEarth

4:03 PM

really?

O_0

user54412

what is that symbol? ^

user54412

nm

ManishEarth

It's MarkDown abuse

ManishEarth

Anyway, let's start the event!

Crazy Buddy

Actually, this event occurs with my permission..!

ManishEarth

4:05 PM

Anyone have anything in particular to discuss about the close reasons, or should we just cycle through them?

Crazy Buddy

Hi @David ;-)

user54412

I hereby use my mod tool powers to grant @CrazyBuddy 's permission

ManishEarth

14

Q: What will our list of close reasons look like?

As per this meta.SO post, it appears an overhaul of the close system is underway. Of the numerous changes slated to take place, not a real question, not constructive, and too localized will no longer be reasons for closing, replaced instead by unclear what you’re asking, too broad, and prim...

user54412

@ManishEarth perhaps we should list out what ideas have been floated first

ManishEarth

Alright

#1: Homework

> Our policy expects homework and homework-like problems to have some effort put into them, and deal with conceptual issues. Please edit your question to explain what you have tried and highlight the concepts.

and

> As per our recommendation on asking homework questions, "It's not enough to just show your work and ask where you went wrong. If you just need someone to check your work, you can always seek out a friend, classmate, or teacher. As a rule of thumb, a good conceptual question should be useful even to someone who isn't looking at the problem you happen to be working on."

and

> Homework questions must demonstrate some effort to understand the underlying concepts. For help asking a good homework question, see: How do I ask homework questions on Physics Stack Exchange?

Crazy Buddy

4:07 PM

Hmm... The second one looks a bit broad. Maybe I'll vote for that...

ManishEarth

#2 Non mainstream physics

ManishEarth

> We deal with mainstream physics here. Anything that couldn't be published in a reputable journal is not appropriate on this site.

#3: Math

> Questions on mathematics are off-topic unless they relate directly to physics. These questions can usually be asked on Mathematics Stack Exchange.

#4: Engineering

> File not found

Crazy Buddy

WWhat..?

ManishEarth

That's pretty much it, barring tpg's "other" proposal

@CrazyBuddy No proposed text yet

All right, what Chris wants to say first

user54412

before that

user54412

4:10 PM

I'm still not clear - what's the story with people who can flag but not VTC directly?

user54412

what options do they see?

user54412

the same ones?

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite Ah. They can't trolley car

Crazy Buddy

Yeah... Tpg...

ManishEarth

They see everything else

Crazy Buddy

4:11 PM

(yuck... Ranting - mobile sucks)

user54412

that's kinda unfortunate, since either (1) we use one of the slots for a trolley car, or (2) those people have a hard time flagging generic just-doesn't-fit stuff

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite yeah, I agree

12

Q: No custom off topic message when flagging on SO

I have less than 3000 rep on StackOverflow. Now that the new closing changes are live, I cannot supply a custom off topic message: I can enter a custom off topic flag message without issue here on meta, though it only has three canned off topic reasons, rather than five. I'm not sure if this ...

bug status-bydesign flagging close-reasons off-topic

Indeed Physics gets plenty of hard-to-categorize corner cases that need closing, and our low-rep flaggers definitely help sort through these things by putting them in the close queue. Also we are actively trying to avoid relying on mods for closing. — Chris White Jul 2 at 15:44

user54412

(For everyone who thinks Manish and I are insane, "trolley car" = "this just doesn't belong here")

ManishEarth

ah, been there, done that

Ok, onwards. (Unless we have any more queries ..?)

Alright

Homework

What say?

The current policy seems to be to only include questions about concepts, regardless of the work provided

More or less, the current policy says that "we allow HW which isn't Too Localized"

(Anyone there?)

user54412

yeah

user54412

4:16 PM

I like the rewording you gave

ManishEarth

With this in mind I like @ChrisWhite's suggestion as it puts the primary focus on concepts

user54412

well, here's my thought on that

ManishEarth

The issue is that it may be a bit harder to objectively apply

user54412

I like what I came up with (:P)

user54412

but... it doesn't cover all cases

David Zaslavsky

4:17 PM

I think it's longer than necessary

user54412

and I really don't think we should have two separate HW options

David Zaslavsky

That I agree with

ManishEarth

@DavidZaslavsky FWIW, "Too Localized" and whatnot aren't that easy to exlain

agreed

David Zaslavsky

Two separate HW reasons would just lead to confusion

ManishEarth

in Teachers' Lounge, yesterday, by ManishEarth

> generate meaningful and lasting value for the entire community.

in Teachers' Lounge, yesterday, by ManishEarth

^ that's the most succint definition of "Too Localized" I've seen till now :)

from the ProgSE post

This could be useful

user54412

4:19 PM

I like Manishearth's suggestion ("Our policy expects homework and homework-like problems to have some effort put into them, and deal with conceptual issues. Please edit your question to explain what you have tried and highlight the concepts.") - it covers both of the main reasons reasonably well

ManishEarth

hmm, true

user54412

@ManishEarth If not in a close reason, that snippet should go into the faq/about/meta/something where we can point to it

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite yes that

Or a pro forma comment

user54412

Here's a suggestion - can we have a meta post that lists these comments so others can copy/paste when they feel appropriate?

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite Yep

Or use the pro forma script

Btw, this is what the faq currently says. It also highlights concepts:

> Physics - Stack Exchange is not a homework help site. If you have a question about a homework problem, or any problem of an educational nature, narrow it down to the specific concept that is giving you trouble and ask about that. You can find more information about acceptable homework questions on our meta site.

user54412

4:23 PM

It's not bad, but I can see the issue - someone comes along and thinks "so I'm allowed to ask how, conceptually, to start this problem I'm clueless on"

ManishEarth

yeah

it needs to be as objectve as possible

David Zaslavsky

Well, the point of the FAQ is that "how do I start this question?" is not a physics concept

Just because you stick the word "conceptually" in the question doesn't make it a conceptual question ;-)

ManishEarth

Yep

user54412

I agree - I'm just putting myself in the mindset of a lazy student :P

ManishEarth

"I'd like to ask a physics question about how to increment a pointer in C++"

@ChrisWhite lazy student --> oxymoron

user54412

4:25 PM

-1: the answer is the last word in your question, duhh

ManishEarth

LOL

@CrazyBuddy @user1504 @ColinMcFaul @twistor59 around?

OK, if we're going with my proposed reason, any idea on improvements to the wording?

Or keep it as it is

David Zaslavsky

@Chris understood, but lazy students are just going to post their questions anyway. They'll either totally ignore the FAQ or find some way to justify to themselves why asking a no-effort homework question should be okay.

user54412

hmmm

ManishEarth

Oh, btw, apparently there may be some snippets from the close reasons put in the How To Ask sidebar (@DavidZaslavsky, refer TL message #10236909

David Zaslavsky

With them, it's more about having a good reason to point to afterwards, along with guidance on how to improve their question (that's what the meta post is for)

Colin McFaul

4:27 PM

@ManishEarth i'm here

i just haven't had any particular thought

user54412

I like the wording except for one, infinitesimal nitpick: "and deal with conceptual issues" -> "and to deal with conceptual issues"

ManishEarth

@ColinMcFaul kk

David Zaslavsky

@Manishearth noted

ManishEarth

> Our policy expects homework and homework-like problems to have some effort put into them, and to deal with conceptual issues. Please edit your question to explain what you have tried and highlight the concepts.

user54412

given that you used a comma, it feels like the "to" can't be split over both infinitives

David Zaslavsky

4:28 PM

Here, I've been thinking of something

Colin McFaul

I agree with @David: we can't put everything into the close box text, so we should include a pointer to the full explanation.

ManishEarth

you're right

@ColinMcFaul yep. The HW reason has that

We may want to have a meta-faq post about nonmainstream physics too

The NM physics policy is not immediately obvious either

user54412

sounds like a good thing to have around

Crazy Buddy

Sorry guys... I had to go out for dinner... I wasn't here at all..!

Maybe, I'll read everything tonight and ping accordingly..!

ManishEarth

@CrazyBuddy A true physicist feeds off of gravitational waves

Colin McFaul

4:31 PM

The NM is also a little contradictory with the homework: technically speaking, a conceptual question about first-year homework would not get published in a reputable journal.

Crazy Buddy

Yeah... Get me one... I'm hungry..!

ManishEarth

@ColinMcFaul Yeah, I'm getting to that once we finalize HW

I realized the issues with NM while discussing it with MathOverflow

David Zaslavsky

> Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. See [our meta site]() for guidance on how to make your question better.

user54412

agreed with @ColinMcFaul - the publication bit sets a pretty high bar

David Zaslavsky

Or something like that

Obviously the link would go in the place indicated

user54412

4:32 PM

ooh that's nice too

Crazy Buddy

brb after dinner :) (don't mind me :P)

ManishEarth

@DavidZaslavsky that would work

David Zaslavsky

I tried to combine the best aspects of the three options presented

ManishEarth

Though I prefer having at least some guidance in the close reason itself

David Zaslavsky

see you @CrazyBuddy

ManishEarth

4:33 PM

People may not read that long meta post

@CrazyBuddy cya

David Zaslavsky

That could work. We could stick in another sentence in the middle

@Manishearth we could also put a TL;DR at the top of the meta post

ManishEarth

@DavidZaslavsky yep

> Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. Please edit your question to explain what you have tried and highlight the concepts. See [our meta site]() for more guidance on how to make your question better.

Stitched together

user54412

David's idea seems like a good compromise - the meta post isn't more overwhelming than the homework itself, while we still weed out anyone too laze to click on the link we spoon-fed them

ManishEarth

This way there's an inline tldr, and a long reference post

David Zaslavsky

If you just do that, though, I think the second sentence is kind of redundant with the first

ManishEarth

4:35 PM

hmm, yeah

David Zaslavsky

I'm thinking "HW-like questions should X" should be understood as "If you edit your question to do X, it'll be fine"

ManishEarth

@DavidZaslavsky yeah

user54412

@ManishEarth I'm tending to agree with David here - "how to make your question better" => "you can edit it"

David Zaslavsky

I mean, anyone who bothers to read and parse the close message should pick up on that

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite yep, however:

there's a key thing missing in most of these, it' the fact that it can be reopened

user54412

4:37 PM

@DavidZaslavsky read and parse - you sure ask a lot of our lazy posters :P

ManishEarth

Well, it's sort of implied, but not as explicit as I'd like it to be. Or am I just being picky?

user54412

actually, on that note, what does one see when a post of theirs is closed?

David Zaslavsky

@Manishearth true, that did occur to me

user54412

perhaps I should ask a bad question to find out?

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite "put on hold by <list of evil nazis>"

Basically, the same thing we see

user54412

4:38 PM

do they see anything we don't, like a notification?

ManishEarth

With a caveat: The first duplicate vote puts up the duplicate banner for the eyes of the OP only

@ChrisWhite nope meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/94390/…, more recently meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/125873/notification-on-close

David Zaslavsky

> Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. If you edit your question accordingly, it can be reopened. See [our meta site]() for guidance on how to make your question better.

I don't especially like that particular phrasing, but I think we're moving in the right direction with that

ManishEarth

yep

David Zaslavsky

ack, can't edit messages from mobile

ManishEarth

@DavidZaslavsky you can

now you can't

there's an "edit last" and "delete last" option

user54412

4:42 PM

I think David's was the best so far - I can't personally improve on it - but wait now I'm reading Colins's

Colin McFaul

> Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. We want our questions to be useful to the broader community, and to future users. See [our meta site]() for more guidance on how to make your question better. If you edit your question to improve it, it will be flagged for possible re-opening.

ManishEarth

@ColinMcFaul yes yes include the "broader community bit" :D

Colin McFaul

(I can't do markdown in chat)

ManishEarth

done

Colin McFaul

Oh wait, possible re-opening.

@ManishEarth thanks.

ManishEarth

4:44 PM

any objections/improvements on Colin's post?

user54412

On the one hand, I like explicitly mentioning the mechanism edit -> flag -> possibly reopened... on the other hand, it may lead to more questions from the OP than it answers

user54412

what's a flag? will it be reopened? or not?

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite yep

> If you edit your question to improve it, there's a chance it will get reopened

^ how about that?

Remember, edits push posts into the reopen queue

user54412

still makes it sound near-hopeless - there's a slim chance, if fate be with you, that you may get an answer here

David Zaslavsky

I'm with Chris

user54412

4:46 PM

or maybe I'm reading this in an overly-cinematic voice

David Zaslavsky

on that last point

ManishEarth

hmm yeah

@ChrisWhite Note that the wording is "on hold", not "closed"

That may contribute to making it better

user54412

> Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. We want our questions to be useful to the broader community, and to future users. See [our meta site]() for more guidance on how to edit your question to make it better.

Colin McFaul

I think it's an improvement.

ManishEarth

@ChrisWhite Doesn't mention reopening (Is that the same one?) but since the wording is "on hold", may not be that bad after all

David Zaslavsky

4:48 PM

My thought about the "broader community" clause is that it's not as direct. I wonder if askers will think through it enough to realize the significance, i.e. "I have to make my question useful to others" -> "I have to ask about a general concept"

Colin McFaul

Teh difficulty seems to be hitting the right balance between: "if you edit the question, it will certainly be reopened" versus "reopening is a totally random process, and your edit will have little influence on the process."

ManishEarth

@DavidZaslavsky The concept bit is already there

David Zaslavsky

Indeed

@Manishearth yeah, but then if it's already there, do we need to explain it again? I favor keeping the close reasons as short as possible.

ManishEarth

@DavidZaslavsky we're explaining the why

David Zaslavsky

I'm not really against this clause, it's a good thing to have somewhere, but I just question whether it's really necessary in the close reason itself.

Yeah, I guess I just think the why could be left to the FAQ or meta post.

ManishEarth

4:52 PM

IMO long close reasons are OK. There's still a reasonable character limit, and these reasons fit that

A three line reason isn't much more intimidating than a two line one

Colin McFaul

...See [our meta site]() for more guidance on how to edit your question to make it better, and on the reopen process.

David Zaslavsky

@Manishearth Difference of opinion I guess. That's OK. For me it's not about a character limit, it's about making your point precisely. General good writing advice.

ManishEarth

@DavidZaslavsky True. For me it's about making it as unambiguous as possible

user54412

let's not forget that we have bold font to play with - a slightly longer narrative is more acceptable IMO if we tactically use bold to draw attention to the important points

ManishEarth

Given the fact that "too localized" is too confusing

@ChrisWhite oh right font

David Zaslavsky

4:55 PM

@Colin the thing with that is that the HW meta post doesn't explain the reopening process.

user54412

specific physics concept and show some effort

user54412

for instance

David Zaslavsky

@Chris oh, I didn't know that.

ManishEarth

> Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. We want our questions to be useful to the broader community, and to future users. See [our meta site]() for more guidance on how to edit your question to make it better.

or yeah that

> Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. We want our questions to be useful to the broader community, and to future users. See [our meta site]() for more guidance on how to edit your question to make it better.

David Zaslavsky

That looks good to me

I kind of prefer the first

ManishEarth

4:55 PM

@DavidZaslavsky look at the preloaded ones that Shog9 created. All bold.

user54412

me too - first one looks good

ManishEarth

yeah

Colin McFaul

@DavidZaslavsky We probably should, regardless of the wording we settle on.

ManishEarth

maybe just bold "show some effort"?

David Zaslavsky

@Colin Yeah

ManishEarth

4:56 PM

@ColinMcFaul We have that

13

Q: How do I dispute a moderator's action?

A moderator closed/migrated/deleted a post, and I disagree with this. How should I proceed in getting this reversed?

discussion faq closed-questions moderators

Wait no

We don't

2 mins ago, by ManishEarth

> Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. We want our questions to be useful to the broader community, and to future users. See [our meta site]() for more guidance on how to edit your question to make it better.

So, guys, finalize on this?

David Zaslavsky

@Manishearth no, I like having both the concept clause and the effort clause bolded, because there are those two distinct reasons that hw questions are typically closeable

ManishEarth

@DavidZaslavsky not waht I meant

Crazy Buddy

Okay.... I somehow managed to follow the transcripts...

ManishEarth

> Homework-like questions should ask about a specific physics concept and show some effort to work through the problem. We want our questions to be useful to the broader community, and to future users. See [our meta site]() for more guidance on how to edit your question to make it better.

^ @DavidZaslavsky that's what I meant

Crazy Buddy

From now on, we don't have to insert comments regarding HWs like auto-comments ;-)

David Zaslavsky

4:58 PM

Oh, OK. I could go with that

user54412

nice balance

user54412

+1

David Zaslavsky

I think I still prefer the version with more of it bolded, but either works