The Loop

toscho

00:21

Fresh from a pro.

kaiser

@ChipBennett github.com/franz-josef-kaiser

@Jared @ChipBennet Must read: meta-box.tenderapp.com/kb/development/…

Bainternet

@toscho that's funny just las week i dug around to get about the same thing
http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/42767/thickbox-hacking-removing-fields/42781#42781

kaiser

00:37

@Bainternet I wonder why this Q got no upvotes. I'd love if everyone asks like that. +1

Jared

Hmm pretty sure I set up git or github wrong, this is confusing.

When I commit, nothing happens at github

toscho

@Jared You commit to your local repo only.

You have to push afterwards.

Jared

Oh I see lol

toscho

Those SVN guys …

Jared

Ugh I don't think I am cut out for this lol

And just then I got it :)

Chip Bennett

00:55

@kaiser cool, thanks; followed!

Jared

02:50

@toscho Have you ever seen this using your plugin? I have only that plugin active on wphax.com/sandbox (it works fine on localhost)

toscho

@Jared Your PHP version very, very old. :)

Jared

Oh yeah I suppose that could be an issue lol

Brian Fegter

04:13

Evening gents.

Jared

Hey

Brian Fegter

How's it going tonight?

Jared

Not bad, learned how to use git and github a bit so I'm messing around with that.

SickHippie

05:01

github ftw!

Brian Fegter

@Jared if you need any help, let me know

SickHippie

whoops... @BrianFegter - thanks for the deprecation check plugin, very handy

Brian Fegter

@SickHippie :) NP

Glad you're enjoying it

I'm going to extend it when I get some more time to check for other deprecated items such as deprecated params, etc...

toscho

@BrianFegter Important are the deprecated constants TEMPLATEPATH and STYLESHEETPATH.

Brian Fegter

05:29

@toscho Good input

I'll update those tonight

Jared

05:44

I just did a pingdom test and got this: Your website is faster than 96% of all tested websites

toscho

The PHP development team is proud to announce the immediate availability of PHP 5.4.0.

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Jared

Nice, I like the new array syntax

Brian Fegter

06:11

Night all

EAMann

@Rarst Did you ever figure out the missing 50 rep thing? It randomly happened to me today, too ... hmm ...

Nevermind. I found the Meta post about it. Still odd to suddenly see things disappearing :-(

Jared

07:08

What do I need to do in order to get a branch I made of my master branch to appear on github?

user30

07:19

git push origin branch, where branch is the branch name

Jared

Ok, thanks!

Brady

08:14

Morning Peeps!

Maugly

08:38

morning! :)

Jared

09:01

justinhileman.info/article/git-pretty/git-pretty.png This is helpful :)

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Maugly

09:26

@Jared Pretty indeed! ;) Haven't seen this one before. Thanks for the link!

toscho

702

Q: Git for beginners: The definitive practical guide

Ok, after seeing this post by PJ Hyett, I have decided to skip to the end and go with Git. So what I need is a beginner's practical guide to Git. "Beginner" being defined as someone who knows how to handle their compiler, understands to some level what a Makefile is, and has touched source cont...

Rarst

great... PHP 5.4 is out but if I upgrade stack I face Apache 2.4.1 with stupid crashes again... :(

Bainternet

this is what i read when i started using git progit.org/ebook/progit.pdf

Rarst

I wish between Git and Mercurial one would just win... I like Mercurial more, but Git is more popular... some days I almost want to say that competing mainstream mess to be gone and use Fossil :)

toscho

The leading version control system works like this: file.doc, file2.doc, filefinal.doc, filefinal2.doc …

Rarst

09:36

I meant popular out of two worth using :)

I don't know if I look forward to possible task of converting 4k lines CSS to LESS or dread it...

toscho

@Rarst One does not simply walk into LESS …

Stephen Harris

@BrianFegter That's a really useful plug-in, thanks! I've also just used it as a base for searching my plug-in files for any 'TODO' and other such like statements. Very handy!

Rarst

@toscho meaning?

Stephen Harris

@toscho It is folly

Rarst

@StephenHarris TODO should really be on editor/IDE level, as for me at least...

toscho

09:41

@Rarst Checking if everything went as expected takes some time.

Rarst

@toscho as if 4k lines stylesheet doesn't.... :)

toscho

@Rarst Yeah, I was talking about the convert.

Stephen Harris

@Rarst My editor highlights it but doesn't create a list. To be honest I've never looked into using anything other than trusty old gedit. Any recommendations?

Rarst

well, basic convert is feed stylesheet into LESS and fix bugs (btw I like how LESS points out bugs, not silently eats them like CSS)... which I already did... next (if this moves forward) would be basic deduplication

@StephenHarris we are much into PhpStorm at work

Brady

@Rarst @StephenHarris +1 here for PHPStorm

toscho

09:46

Jared

I also found this very handy earlier when I was researching about git

toscho

@StephenHarris Eclipse creates a nice list for all open projects.

@Jared my Git bookmarks

Jared

Nice

Bainternet

@Brady @toscho I use Eclipse for projects and sublimetext for quick editing thinking of switching all to sublime, its just faster then any other thing i've used before

Stephen Harris

Thanks all. I'll check them out. I might even be eligible for PHPStorm's open source licence. Eclipse looks good too though. Thanks

toscho

09:51

@Bainternet I live in Eclipse. Couldn’t switch even if I had to. :)

Brady

Anyone used any cloud based editors like codeanywhere.net

I quite like the idea of being able to code out and about on a tab incase of emergancies

toscho

@Brady So wp-admin/plugin-editor.php isn't good enough for you, huh?

Brady

@toscho Hell no! I disable that on all instalations

toscho

@Brady That’s not very open-sourcy.

Brady

@toscho 100% of our clients dont want that functionality. I remove it as it poses an extra way for a hacker to load in code

toscho

09:59

I like it how my humor fails each day again.

Rarst

@toscho needs moar smilies

Brady

For those not in the know anyway: define( 'DISALLOW_FILE_EDIT', true ); in your config file ;)

Bainternet

@Brady when i really have to use an online IDE i use either c9.io or a custom wordpress installation with my plugin wordpress.org/extend/plugins/advanced-code-editor

toscho

Smileys are patent protected.

Brady

@toscho bah thats just cos of the ongoing patent trolling with Samsung vs Apple.

toscho

10:09

Has anyone ever build or worked with meta boxes with tabs? Some code examples I can study?

Stephen Harris

@toscho As in jQuery tabs or the tabs WordPress' uses for it's metaboxes?

Jared

@toscho I have, but it was a long time ago. My code from back then is embarrassing now. :P

toscho

@StephenHarris Not sure. The tabs have to wrap if they don’t fit on one line. Yes, crap, I know.

Brady

Just found this WordPress function human_time_diff()

Seems useful

Jared

Cool, definitely useful.

Stephen Harris

10:20

@toscho Well the default WordPress ones do... but it isn't a pretty sight. See this answer. It uses WP' html mark-up and so WP handles all the javascript side. Just give the appropriate IDs to the tabs and content divs.

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A: How To Change Custom Taxonomy To Radio Buttons

The most straightforward way would be to to de-register the taxonomy's metabox and replace it with your own custom metabox. Below is my attempt. There are some drawbacks though, without adding in some javascript, I was unable to replicate WordPress 'add new term' feature, consequently you can onl...

toscho

@StephenHarris So, if I use $id-tabs and $id-all they’re linked automagically?

Rarst

so I need to evaluate this theme... I open archive.php and what do I see? query_posts(). to change pagination. evaluation done! :)

Stephen Harris

@toscho - yup, just match the href attribute of the tab with ID of the content

Brady

toscho

@StephenHarris Okay, thanks. Now off to work, I have to create a tab orgy.

Stephen Harris

10:35

@Brady Does handle translations?

Brady

function human_time_diff( $from, $to = '' ) {
	if ( empty($to) )
		$to = time();
	$diff = (int) abs($to - $from);
	if ($diff <= 3600) {
		$mins = round($diff / 60);
		if ($mins <= 1) {
			$mins = 1;
		}
		/* translators: min=minute */
		$since = sprintf(_n('%s min', '%s mins', $mins), $mins);
	} else if (($diff <= 86400) && ($diff > 3600)) {
		$hours = round($diff / 3600);
		if ($hours <= 1) {
			$hours = 1;
		}
		$since = sprintf(_n('%s hour', '%s hours', $hours), $hours);
	} elseif ($diff >= 86400) {

@StephenHarris yup

you would be responsible for translating anything you put after it like the word ago

I think there is room for optimization there plus include months/years to it

Stephen Harris

@Brady Yeah its very basic. Handles dates after 2038 though

Brady

@StephenHarris I look forward to that year :)

toscho

Whoever has written _WP_Editors::editor() deserves a spanking.

Brady

hopefully I'm not dead before then

like this?

anu

10:43

when did StopPress become a repo for random off-topic images?

Stephen Harris

@Brady php DateTime is the future. Largely because php date doesn't think there is a future beyond January 2038. Was that due to limitations in computer memory or just short-sightedness?

toscho

@Brady Yes, just more blood.

Stephen Harris

@anu Seems to be on-topic to me :D

Brady

@anu when has StopPress ever been on-topic?

toscho

@anu Since my first cola.

anu

10:48

@brady it's generally been a lot more on topic than that pic - but hey, it's fine, the community decides what's suitable

Brady

@anu But it was on-topic... Toscho mentioned some one needed smacking for writing _WP_Editors::editor() and I was just clarifying what he meant by illustration...

@toscho thats not your room!

toscho

@Brady Correct, my room has a cat somewhere.

Brady

@toscho if that was your room I wouldn't be surprised if your cat went for a swim in there like jumping into a kids ball pit :)

Brady

11:14

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Q: How to set a custom post type to have viewable future posts

I've setup a CPT to act the same ways as posts but used to post event details. Thing is that some of the posts are in the future and such have a future date set on them. Problem is that normal users cannot see these posts. So: How do I alter archive-events.php to list future posts too? Showin...

custom-post-types wp-query custom-post-type-archives

Anyone dealt with this before?

Stephen Harris

@Brady Is it essential to use the publish dates. Normally for 'event' dates, it should be stored as post-meta

Brady

@StephenHarris I'm using the publish date for the event date

Stephen Harris

@Brady I know, I'm suggesting it would normally be better to use post-meta

Brady

@StephenHarris yeah but its not the issue I'm having. The reason why I'm using publish date is to keep things very simple and stock functionality within WordPress

so I dont have to be using meta_query

Rarst

@Brady don't. just add event date in meta. trying to bend internals is a mess.

Brady

11:24

@Rarst bah I'm not budging

Stephen Harris

@Brady Look at the pre_get_posts filter then. You can alter the order direction and probably include 'pending' post-status

Brady

function show_future_where($where) {
	global $wpdb;

	if( !is_single() && !is_page() )
		$where .= " OR $wpdb->posts.post_status = 'future' ";

	return $where;
}

add_filter('posts_where', 'show_future_where');
?>

^^ will take care of archive-events.php

Stephen Harris

or that :D

Brady

will need to chop it up a bit to only work on my CPT

Stephen Harris

@Brady but you want is_singular('event')

Brady

11:27

if("events" == get_post_type()) {

toscho

@Brady Use post meta. There is just too much code bound to the internals.

Brady

@StephenHarris is_singular wont work on archive page

Stephen Harris

Also this only works for the wp_query. The where filter passes a second argument, a Query object. Use that to determine if the query is for your post type.

Brady

@StephenHarris cheers for that will save some a call to some conditionals

I've got the rest:

function setup_future_hook() {
 // Replace native future_post function with replacement
 remove_action('future_post', '_future_post_hook');
 add_action('future_post', 'publish_future_post_now');
}

function publish_future_post_now($id) {
 // Set new post's post_status to "publish" rather than "future."
 wp_publish_post($id);
}

add_action('init', 'setup_future_hook');

again I need to alter just for my CPT

@Rarst, @toscho O ye, of little faith

Rarst

@Brady faith? it's freakign nasty experience...

Brady

11:33

^^ seems fairly straight forward to me

Rarst

it always does at start

Brady

I now dont have to worry about date pickers, creating a meta box, educating users on a new interface and home brewing a WP_Query to show my archive correctly

Whats even better is: add_action( 'future_' . $post_type, '_future_post_hook', 5, 2 );

that way I dont have to unhook default post types

I just unhook my CPT and I dont need to do any checks...

Maugly

12:40

@Brady I made the same decision some time ago and then truly regretted it :)

I ended up with a plugin that registers Events CPT, adds a metabox /w datepicker, changes the request filter to order events by their date and hide the past events. There is also an ajax driven front-end calendar of events. It's far from perfect but let me know if you will decide to go this way and I will put it on github or somewhere.

Brady

@Maugly nah its ok I've done similar things in the past that I could use

but for this website I'm doing atm it needs to be very simple

Im just writing answer to my question now

Maugly

OK :)

Brady

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A: How to set a custom post type to have viewable future posts

I've been able to solve this myself. My entire code for registering the CPT: <?php add_action( 'init', 'events_post_type_register' ); function events_post_type_register() { $post_type = "events"; $labels = array( 'name' => _x('Events', 'post type general name'), '...

Stephen Harris

@Maugly Thats essentially what I've down in wordpress.org/extend/plugins/event-organiser. Dates are kept in a custom table to make sorting easier and handle reoccurring events

Any one know of anything, preferably jQuery based, that process markdown from a text-area input and formats it? I'm not after a full WYSIWYG editor, just the formating bit...

Sisir

Just back from two days quick trip :D

Rarst

12:52

@StephenHarris SE has probably best Markdown implementation out there and they use pagedown code.google.com/p/pagedown

Sisir

how u doing guys?

Maugly

@Stephen I remember I couldn't find a suitable plugin back then when I needed it so I enjoyed writing me own. It's been a while though, I guess many new solutions have probably emerged...including yours - thanks for the link! I will take a look at it for inspiration :)

Rarst

@Sisir fridayish...

Brady

@Sisir stress city over here :-)

Maugly

@Rarst heh "-1 for approach" Spanking has started? ;)

Sisir

12:54

@Rarst: A typical Rarst answer :)

@Brady: Congrats! I see you make through the mod election :)

Brady

@Sisir yup :) thanks if you voted for me. If you didn't, then go to hell ;)

Sisir

i did :)

Also Congrats to @bainternet

Brady

@Sisir dont forget @toscho

Sisir

so there were three empty positions right?

Stephen Harris

@Rarst Thats perfect! Unfortunately it doesn't appear I could use it in a plug-in. MIT rather than GPL2.

@Rarst Thanks for the link!

Brady

12:59

@Sisir yup

toscho

@StephenHarris What’s wrong with MIT?

Rarst

@StephenHarris MIT is perfectly fine to use in GPL project, it's compatible

Stephen Harris

@Rarst It is? That's good to know!

Sisir

its good to see my bright 22 inch LED again :) and dive into wordpress again..

toscho

gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Expat

Rarst

13:02

gnu site is retarded lately... gives me ancient outdated russian translation of the articles and gives no way to reach current english originals :(

toscho

@Rarst Yeah, I get a German version I didn’t ask for.

Brady

@Rarst - you down vote my answer because you don't like the implementation... I asked for something very specific and my answer answers what I asked for.

Rarst

@Brady which is fine for yourself, but in my opinion is not fine in larger context. what if core edit answered your issue perfectly? :)

toscho

Really @Rarst, that wasn't clever. I’ll go and give @Brady an anonymous down vote.

Brady

I wouldn't edit core. Im using the hooks and filters that WP have put in place...

Rarst

13:05

and you are changing SQL to show posts that by WP mechanics are not supposed to be shown

Brady

@Rarst no

WP mechanics do support them to be shown

I'm just enabling them to be shown

toscho

Ah, English version of the GNU page.

Brady

to all users rather than just admins

Your "alternative" way of doing things as I've already stated is over complicating something so simple.

Rarst

I am not interested to discuss this. what, four people told you here that from each one's experience that is bad idea? it's fine by me that you decided to do it that way and it fits your needs, but that doesn't make it good generic solution and I voted accordingly

Brady

@Rarst very well

Rarst

13:10

I upvoted the question so anyway you are in the black from me :)

toscho

@Brady Please fix the gettext calls in your code. We don’t need more of this.

Brady

@Rarst I noticed :)

@toscho already on it

Maugly

@StephenHarris Your Event Organizer looks great! Seems like a half of my TODOs are in your Features :)

Brady

13:26

Got another one for you experts :)

0

Q: Custom post types - Use post_id in permalink structure when using has_archive => true

I recently asked this question Custom post types - Use post_id in permalink structure and solved it but as I have enabled 'has_archive' => true the solution given no longer works. Let me explain: I'm after this structure: archive-events.php => /news/events/ single-events.php => /news/events...

custom-post-types permalinks url-rewriting archive

Sisir

@Brady great.. i am waiting for what you come up with :) send us a demo when you done with the event thing..

Brady

@Sisir yeah defo. this "add post_id to permalink for CPT" seems like a common issue with very hard to find answers

Sisir

yes. i was using a plugin for that. but i think i will update my theme when i have time so i can minus another one plugin requirements :) also the archive structure will be quite handy

toscho

Idea: Support 410.php in a theme. Opinions?

Rarst

@toscho what if page is undeleted or slug is reused?

from quick google 410 will kill it in search engines more reliably than 404... so if something comes back it would have relatively more trouble getting indexed

toscho

13:37

@Rarst Undelete is easy. Reuse … possible, didn’t think of that. Thanks.

@Rarst If a once deleted URL comes up in a sitemap it will be indexed again.

Rarst

@toscho yeah, but relatively to 404 it will have more trouble getting indexed by search engines again... so there is little benefit, but potential downsides

toscho

@Rarst Many 404s hurt too. The Google bot spiders just a limited amount of all pages and it shouldn’t waste time on dead URLs.

AlxVallejo

15:06

So can someone help explain why syncing comments between two sites is impossible? wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/36019/…

Brian Fegter

15:23

@AlxVallejo Are the posts synced as well?

AlxVallejo

15:34

yes

I was thinking I could add an action after submitting a comment that would connect to the subsequent DB, find the corresponding post, and insert the comment

Brian Fegter

Like @kaiser said, with default WP functionality, it's not possible.

This sounds like a tast for rsync

on the serverside

AlxVallejo

Why is it not possible

I don't think I've ever heard a "not possible" answer. There's usually a workaround, whether it's using a third-party commenting system like Intense Debate or even displaying a feed of comments from the other DB below the native post comments. Less than ideal, but possible.

Brian Fegter

@AlxVallejo This should be taken care of on the forum

AlxVallejo

frustration

Brian Fegter

@AlxVallejo No need for frustration....someone will answer appropriately if they've had experience.

AlxVallejo

15:47

The question is from Dec. 9

I have deadlines

Brian Fegter

@AlxVallejo I would recommend paying a developer then

Time, Price, Quality, you can choose only two out of the three.

AlxVallejo

ya thanks for the business tip

Brian Fegter

@AlxVallejo I'm just letting you know, people give of themselves freely here out of the goodness of their hearts

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AlxVallejo

there's more to it than that

Brian Fegter

@AlxVallejo No, there's not. Your question will be answered I'm sure of it. But, you cannot demand time-frame.

AlxVallejo

15:52

so the only reason you're on here is for charity

Brian Fegter

@AlxVallejo Not charity, community.

@AlxVallejo My suggestion is to contribute to the community by posting other answers, getting a higher reputation level, and then posting a bounty for your question.

AlxVallejo

kk

Brady

16:10

@BrianFegter Aww I'm touched :)

Brian Fegter

@Brady :) Me 2

kaiser

16:39

@Jared

Brady

17:32

I used to love sonic on the saga megadrive

toscho

19:26

I have deadlines is … refreshingly honest.

Stack Exchange

20:12

Blog - Stack Exchange: Enterprise vs Consumer: Product Development at Careers 2.0

Demis Bellot on March 02, 2012

A few months ago I joined as a developer on the Careers 2.0 team – this is my story of bringing Careers 2.0′s new Apply button to fruition. Or, what happens when an Enterprise boy meets a Consumer Product Development company and gets exposed to how things are done on the other side.

One of my first projects after joining Stack Exchange was giving the job application process an improved, stream-lined experience. This experience gave me a different perspective on Enterprise and Consumer product development, which I’d like to share. …

Brian Fegter

Jared

21:14

Oh no, the # of unanswered questions has been slowly rising over the past couple days

toscho

23:05

What’s new in PHP 5.4: PDF. Very nice.

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