The Loop

kaiser

00:46

@EAMann A rare case. Thanks for jumping in and ending it :)

Rick Smith

01:22

Hey guys, I'm wondering if I can ask a question in here that's racking my brain....

Anyone in here?

toscho

@RickSmith Ask a new question.

toscho

04:31

Replace ugly fonts – this is great.

EAMann

05:19

@kaiser Looks like it's not quite over ... thanks for trying to help him in the first place, though.

Brady

09:49

morning all

10 hours left to go :)

ungestaltbar

10:11

excited :)?

hello

Brady

@ungestaltbar I try not to be.

kaiser

12:24

@EAMann I can't believe that you've taken the time to write such an answer. Could you please block me away from that guy ;)

booota

anyone here

need some quick help

@kaiser: can you help me with custom taxonomy how-to

kaiser

@booota Not more than that - github.com/toscho/Custom-Post-Type-Demos

toscho

@kaiser These files are slightly outdated.

kaiser

@toscho But good enough to learn everything you need. I always link them :)

booota

no not that... i was using custom taxonomies to display cities in one dropdown and when particular city was selected from the dropdown, it was populating another dropdown with its respective locations

now the location dropdown is showin cities in the locations dropdown

it started happening after i upgraded wp to the latest release

kaiser

12:29

@booota better go and ask Q on the main site.

toscho

@booota You’re doing it wrong. See this answer for a better solution.

kaiser

This seems to be more than a quick question.

booota

@toscho: yeah, its a hierarchy based. like:
city
city
-location
-location

$results = ashyana_getTaxonomyValues( 'locations', 'Islamabad', 0 );
print_r($results);

function ashyana_getTaxonomyValues( $taxonomyName = "", $taxonomyChild = '', $parent = null ) {
if( !empty( $taxonomyName ) && taxonomy_exists( $taxonomyName ) ) {
if( !empty( $taxonomyChild ) ) {
$term_details = get_term_by( 'name', $taxonomyChild, $taxonomyName );
$terms = get_terms( $taxonomyName, ( $parent == 0 ) ?
array( 'parent'=>$term_details->term_id, 'hide_empty'=>0 ) :
array( 'fields' => 'all', 'hide_empty'=>0 ) );
return $terms;
}
else {
$terms = get_terms( $taxonomyName, ( $parent == 0 ) ?

@kaiser: look at the code, can you suggest what is going wrong?
in my previous installation, everything is working fine

toscho

@booota Ask a new question on the main site!

booota

ok thanks

booota

12:50

@toscho: figured it out

anu

15:20

yay - got capistrano deployment working - happy :)

Maugly

16:53

@anu Nice! That's exactly my plan for the weekend ;) Recommended reading?

toscho

17:08

I wonder which fanatic designed the plugin list: tiny fonts on low contrast. Very useful.

kaiser

@toscho Problem is not the font-size. It's the sizes units.

toscho

@kaiser No. No matter what a unit is used: I cannot read fonts in a size that differs so much from my default.

user30

ooh ~2.5 hours

toscho

There, I fixed it.

@ThomasMcDonald The election page is well hidden again.

Rarst

17:24

@toscho doesn't matter... only couple hours left and votes been coming very slowly for days

user30

System messages only last for 3 days iirc

Rarst

2

toscho

@Rarst Make it bold and big (30px).

user30

@toscho or a fullpage ad...

toscho

@ThomasMcDonald Hehe, an overlay which can be disabled by voting only.

<blink>Vote now!</blink>

anu

17:34

@Maugly this was the most helpful: theme.fm/2011/08/…

but it's mainly from reading a bunch of capistrano & wordpress posts and mashing everything together

kaiser

@ThomasMcDonald What happened to the link on top?

Maugly

@anu thanks!

user30

@kaiser It was a system message. They auto expire.

user30

Only mods can set them.

kaiser

ok ... ?

toscho

17:50

131

Q: Upcoming Reputation History Changes

Update: this is now being tested on meta, we'll be watching for bugs and such over the next few days. During the rollout you will see empty reptuation tabs on profiles as we transition to the new storage behind the scenes, they'll be restored as the recalc rolls though each user. Behind the s...

This will make it much easier to target specific reputation numbers.

Feeds

Thomas McDonald has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

user30

aye

user30

> Deletions will have a much more immediate effect on reputation, not waiting on a recalc

user30

\o/

kaiser

@ThomasMcDonald Are you the owner of this room?

toscho

17:53

It took me some effort to hit the 6666 mark exactly. :D

user30

@kaiser yeah

kaiser

What did you change in the feed?

user30

I added the SE blog to be posted here.

kaiser

Could you add WPSE Meta posts too?

user30

It already is

kaiser

17:57

k

Thought the icon would differ

user30

yesterday, by Stack Exchange

0

Q: WordCamp Phoenix Follow-up

Yes, I'm breaking all the rules by posting a non-question. Since we don't yet have a separate WPSE blog, this seemed the most appropriate venue for a post-WordCamp discussion. This past weekend, I left the frozen, drizzling weather that is my hometown of Portland and made the trek to the sunny d...

discussion wordcamp

user30

although it tends to lag behind by anywhere up to 20 minutes

toscho

Can anyone explain this implode() to me?

$footer_text = array(
	'<span id="footer-thankyou">' . __( 'Thank you for creating with <a href="http://wordpress.org/">WordPress</a>.' ) . '</span>',
);
echo apply_filters( 'admin_footer_text', implode( ' &bull; ', $footer_text ) );

From wp-admin/admin-footer.php.

Rarst

@toscho what about it?

toscho

@Rarst I cannot understand the code: Why is $footer_text an unfilterable array that gets imploded?

It is absolutely impossible to get the • on the page.

Rarst

18:08

coded on Monday or something...

look up patch and ask the person who put it in :)

toscho

If I open a trac ticket for this, it will stay forever.

kaiser

@toscho Archaeologists will love that ticket

user30

→ 5 messages moved to Sandbox

toscho

18:33

Election closes in 1 hour. I think, I’ll take a looong nap now.

user30

yeah, 1hr 20

toscho

@ThomasMcDonald How many poor people evaluate our ballot papers?

user30

@toscho You can download the ballots as soon as the election finishes

user30

and run them through Open STV, which should also have a download link once the election has finished

Rarst

@ThomasMcDonald in geek-appropriate way election uses algorithm that is not computable by human :)

user30

18:43

@Rarst Yeah, I was reading through the post on meta explaining how it is computed

toscho

I like the part where my humor fails miserably ten times each day.

user30

Oh, I guessed it was sarcastic

user30

but if you didn't know the serious answer

Brian Fegter

@toscho lol

toscho

Twenty Twelve is not going to make the cut for 3.4.

Jared

18:58

Good luck mod candidates

user30

19:54

@toscho shame :(

toscho

@ThomasMcDonald I think this is a good decision.

user30

@toscho Oh yeah, if it's not ready yet

toscho

We get many new features in 3.4. I am scared enough without TwentyTwelve.

user30

:D

user30

not long to go

toscho

19:58

1 minute

Next year, when i candidate again, I build an Ebay count down.

Jared

I think you will make it this round @toscho lol

user30

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Loading ballots from file wordpress-stackexchange-com-2012-election-results.blt.
Ballot file contains 5 candidates and 74 ballots.
No candidates have withdrawn.
Ballot file contains 74 non-empty ballots.

user30

Think that's right

ungestaltbar

481 voters were eligible, 242 visited the site during the election, 126 visited the election page, and 74 voted

Jared

Sweet, Rarst, MikeSchinkel and EAMann won! Lol (must be showing me last election?)

ungestaltbar

20:00

whoo...

user30

> Winners are Bainternet, Brady, and toscho.

5

Jared

Congrats!

toscho

Cool. :)

Jared

Couldn't have asked for a better moderator team.

toscho

Strange, my toolbar didn’t change.

user30

20:03

This all has to be done manually now

user30

I guess you will get a message in the next day. :)

Brian Fegter

Congrats :)

Bainternet

20:24

Thanks to everyone who voted and Congrats to the winners

Maugly

Congrats to our new mods and happy mod-ing ! :)

Only 74 voted? I thought it will be a few hundreds!

Stack Exchange

blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/02/lets-play-the-guessing-game

user30

hrm, that should onebox.

Rarst

20:43

unofficial estimate - Bainternet killed it, toscho confident second, Brady wrestled third from Brian... preliminary congrats! :)

hm, chat glitched for me hadn't seen last chunk of it...

@StackExchange hmmmm... this seem to describe theme-recommendation and plugin-recommendation ... should we take a hint?

user30

@Rarst probably.

user30

I think this is one for Meta.

Rarst

on it

user30

in that case, I'll start crafting a probable answer

Brian Fegter

@Rarst pretty easy wrestling match

user30

20:53

@BrianFegter nah

user30

there was very little in it

Brian Fegter

I was mainly surprised by the 242 unique visitors to the site

What is the typical metric for unique visitors per day to WPSE?

user30

lets ask the api!

user30

oh, they took that out of version 2.0

user30

> "views_per_day": 6992.55,

Rarst

20:57

@BrianFegter visitors eligible for voting, that is >150 rep.

1

Q: Are theme and plugin recommendation guessing games?

Network blog just had a post about "guessing game" type questions and issues with them. Should we take this as a hint and consider getting rid of theme and plugin recommendation questions? This came up several times and I think current points to consider are: some of recommendation questions ...

discussion

user30

Also @Rarst, it wouldn't surprise me if a reasonable portion of those plugin-recs can be salvaged.

user30

in The Bridge, 1 min ago, by Grace Note

@ThomasMcDonald Well, I'm no Wordpress guru, but if my understanding is correct, a lot of plugin-recommendation type questions can actually become useful questions by just changing to focus on not "What plugins do X", but instead on the problem of doing X.

user30

I'm trying to find the best bits of the discussion that happened over at Gaming.

user30

33

Q: What should be done with questions asking for game recommendations?

What should be done with a game-rec question posted to the site? Please only give short and simple answers that the community can then enforce as a policy. This is not the place for discussion - other meta-threads have already done that. The answer with the most upvotes in this discussion will b...

discussion site-policies game-recommendations poll

user30

8

Q: So, what actually is a game-rec?

The problem with all encompassing policies is that people tend to use those instead of using the brain and determining whether a question possesses or not the bad qualities that make game-rec's toxic for the site. What exactly is a game-rec?

support game-recommendations faq

Stack Exchange

21:29

5

Q: Are theme and plugin recommendation guessing games?

Network blog just had a post about "guessing game" type questions and issues with them. Should we take this as a hint and consider getting rid of theme and plugin recommendation questions? This came up several times and I think current points to consider are: some of recommendation questions ...

discussion

Brian Fegter

@Rarst I think my question here may be a candidate for a community-wiki wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/43935/…

kaiser

@Rarst @All I hope you jump in and discuss this. It's one of our biggest "tasks" and "problems" over here.

@BrianFegter Why?

Brian Fegter

@kaiser I'm seeing there's probably not ever going to be a 'real' answer on this

kaiser

@BrianFegter Douglas Campbell gave one. Should just be no comment, but an answer instead.

Rarst

@BrianFegter not worth it... CW is almost never used nowadays, seen too much abuse

Brian Fegter

21:35

Cool...thought I'd ask. :)

anu

23:24

question - if you're registering multiple custom post types is it better to split the declarations into separate functions and hook init multiple times, or have 1 larger function, register all the cpts there and only hook init once?

kaiser

@anu Guess it's only style

anu

yeah, the purist in me wants to separate them out, just wondering if there are performance issues

probably minimal, i'm overthinking this

Maugly

@anu Exactly. I've read about it sometime ago. There was a difference in performance but it was tiny. And splitting it up is often more logical and readable.

toscho

@anu Depends. If they work very different – separate them. If you need a lot of similar code combine the registration.

Rarst

I am tempted to rename the room into "black squares talking"

anu

23:31

@rarst black and white now

thanks all - useful advice

Maugly

@anu more often I register a post type with its related taxonomy in one init hook function.

toscho

Maugly

@Rarst "black squares talking" sounds good. Have you thought about inverse version of yours?

anu

ah, much more consistent, i like :)

toscho

Welcome to the dark side.

Maugly

23:33

@toscho you're fast :)

Stephen Harris

@toscho @bainternet @Brady - congratulations!

toscho

@StephenHarris Thanks. I’m exploring the mod tools right now.

anu

yeah, congrats @toscho :)

toscho

Hm, my own IP address look-up is faster than StackExchange’s. :D

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