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I'm a bit perplexed here. Last night I answered the following question: Use a higher than 230px logo image with 2013 theme. I was surprised this morning to see that the question was put on hold due to be off topic. This took me back to this question: Extending content width with twentyfourteen ...

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userabuser

06:16

@Rarst ...and then there is getting things done proper - programming, which is a mix of both worlds and should be the standard that good teams adopt, he's both right and wrong. Har har har article indeed :)

Rarst

the problem with getting things done proper is that it's usually product of individual experience. it's hard (if at all possible) to teach

the "best practice" is more or less attempt at that and always comes with a lot of drama

userabuser

I tend to agree with you there, but good teams foster good teachers and mentors, its not easy... I know, but the whole "get shit done" mentality at the cost of code readability, extensibility and more comes with a hefty price (I've experienced first hand in our major refactor)

Rarst

hadn't seen much of good teams, so what do I know :)

I include maintenance in getting done. my minimum viability standards are:

userabuser

lol... few and far between, true. A friend, whose engineering team went from 60-ish to now 26 people has about 7 or so people carrying the squad, so there is definitely a skill-divide.

Rarst

1. does it perform the function it needs to perform
2. is it viable to maintain
3. is it future-proof

userabuser

06:24

perfectly good list.

Rarst

so many things fail at 1 :)

userabuser

yeah they dont even get past "does it..." let alone to the "perform" part :D

Rarst

and it makes me highly annoyed when people are exclusively concerned with it working right now

userabuser

Right which comes at a great price, get it working now but next week shit is broken because you didn't take a little extra time to do it right...

That's why I am not purely a getting things done programmer, I am a mix if anything because I can't logically bring myself to sell code short

Sometimes I get grinded on for that but oh well

Rarst

I been in a workflow when the second any feature looked like it's working it was declared done and moving on to something else stat

userabuser

06:28

wow

complete idiocy IMO

Rarst

no cleanup, no documenting, who has time for those things

userabuser

o_O

I am documentation nazi...

docs save pain and hours

Rarst

from client's point of view it was "working"

userabuser

yeah but does it sometimes "stop working" ?

Rarst

then it's huge problem that needs to be urgently fixed

urgently

at one point I pushed for more autonomy (for less money) and spent a bit of time on code cleanup in parallel. was called into a meeting and accused of "running wild" and borderline sabotaging the project :D

userabuser

06:32

wtf... sorry but they sound like a bunch or wankers if they think that

Rarst

it was complicated and long running situation :) good programmers don't necessarily make good business owners

userabuser

yeah I remember you were have problems with them

Rarst

hilarious to remember now :)

userabuser

yeah, not so much at the time for you though :D

all for the best

Rarst

best will be when I actually have a good job I would say :)

userabuser

06:38

I might come knocking on your door again in the future :) We ended up hiring someone after tiring interviews and he ONLY lasted 4 weeks before getting the boot :/

Not easy to find good people - fact.

toscho

indeed

userabuser

yup, this guy even had the big G on his resume too... nice guy but just in the end didn't do what was advertised.

Rarst

I have a project right now I am very comfortable with. not much money, but comfortable. :) learned enough things to stay away from in the past, now need to learn some to look for in a job

toscho

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userabuser

lol!

@toscho believe me some of the interviews were not far off this

"I am a hidden scientist" lol

hahaha this is gold, "I will have fruity career in your steamy company"

I saw a job offer last night from I think a German company looking for full time PHP developer - $500 - $1000 per month. <-- wtf.

toscho

06:43

they’ll get what they deserve

userabuser

the guy above..

lkraav

@userabuser what happened within 4 weeks?

failing fast is the preferred way, though

but still

userabuser

Nothing, the guys work load just tapered off. Started really well, then just stopped doing things and then wanted more remuneration etc. Technically he had the ability... I don't get some people's mentality because he was onto a good thing with us, really good team, good boss, pays well, always on-time, rewards people for top performance, you know its the kind of job that's silly to piss up against the wall... but... people obviously do

Rarst

at the moment I wouldn't probably even consider any full time job without trial period :) for both sides' sakes

userabuser

@Rarst there's always a trial period, well with us anyway... but yeah its obviously a good way to approach things.

toscho

06:51

3 months in our company

Rarst

I am not surprised it's the way to do things for peope in this room :))

userabuser

@toscho yup... that's the standard for most companies to get a good benchmark of people and vice versa

Rarst

I think it's still pretty far from standard

userabuser

we're talking about proper companies though

Rarst

but it's hard to judge on global scale

and how many of those are around... sigh :)

/out for meds and food, brb

userabuser

06:53

many... actually.

k :)

@toscho how's MLP going? We still haven't got to localization yet - its been pushed back in our cycle since we lost one dev we are deep in other parts of product work now...

toscho

just finished nav menu integration

userabuser

nice

still regretting not switching to domain oriented structure? :)

toscho

will happen in 2.1

userabuser

Ok that's looking good

toscho

people asking for code to create a custom menu was one of our most frequen support topics

and support costs money, so …

userabuser

07:01

Do you spend roughly your full-time hours on MLP or do you divide between projects?

@toscho so give the people what they want = smart.

toscho

in-house code, support, docs for other plugins, teaching my coworkers how to write oop … I have many other things to do. :)

userabuser

oh yeah you teach others OOP? So you have legacy employees who are not really familiar with that or do you have looser higher policies?

toscho

this is more or less informal, except when we plan new projects

userabuser

k

Rarst

07:46

back

userabuser

wb

@Rarst on side note, watched Anthony Bourdain No Reservations episode last night on the Ukraine, looks like a nice place (obviously this was just before shit hit the fan there)

Rarst

I don't know what that is... well, "nice" might be a stretch. it's not horrible. not too fantastic either.

userabuser

this guy: youtube.com/watch?v=nqEpEHJcRfo

this part cracked me up: youtube.com/…

chicken shit vodka

toscho

08:10

Everything Is Illuminated

Everything Is Illuminated is the first novel by the American writer Jonathan Safran Foer, published in 2002. It was adapted into a film by the same name starring Elijah Wood and Eugene Hütz in 2005. Plot summary Jonathan Safran Foer, a young American Jew, journeys to Ukraine in search of Augustine, the woman who saved his grandfather's life during the Nazi liquidation of Trachimbrod, his family shtetl. Armed with maps, cigarettes and many copies of an old photograph of Augustine and his grandfather, Jonathan begins his adventure with Ukrainian native and soon-to-be good friend, Alexand...

kaiser

09:04

// Massage our data

userabuser

09:25

@kaiser I love that saying... "massage the data" lol...

... wtf

Tom J Nowell

09:37

php.net redesign seems to be in full effect

kaiser

yeah. and it seems that I have secretly participated in an A/B test ... for the design that lost :)

userabuser

which one lost?

I'd prefer the function/menu list on the left... looks like a job for greasemonkey

kaiser

I had some green-ish one

kaiser

10:03

@Rarst Is something like the clear command in PHPStorm terminal?

Ctrl + L doesn't work either

Sven

Ctrl + L is working on OS X ;)

btw: we got a link to the top user leagues on our profile pages :)

kaiser

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Rarst

11:06

@kaiser I do cls + enter on Win

bungeshea

11:19

@kaiser it depends what terminal you use: in Windows command prompt it's cls, in Git Bash it's clear

kaiser

11:54

cls ... not cs facepalm thanks

Tom J Nowell

12:47

community.woocommerce.com redirects to rootbuzz.com hmmm

kaiser

uhm... what now? damn woo and their non communication...

Rarst

14:40

@kaiser now you try to convince @toscho to delete stupid tag

kaiser

it would just pop up again ... 200 rep users are allowed to add it (afaik)

@Rarst We should maybe add an "open letter to woo" on Meta...

Rarst

saying what?

kaiser

> fuck ~~woo~~ you

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Rarst

and the point of that would be, except making us rude jerks?

kaiser

or, if you want to write it more polite and gentle we could try it with

> screw ~~woo~~ you

nah, honstely: asking what their problem with their customers and users is. why they think that they can off load support somewhere, promise a contact person which then silently leaves without telling us (Tom Harrigan) and having no replacement. with promising to care about the tag and then not doing so. with opening a community and then abandoning it without saying so. etc.

Rarst

14:46

I don't remember them promising anything

kaiser

not? thought that Tom came to contact us and promised to take of that tag...

Rarst

nope

kaiser

ok what was it then with Tom?

Rarst

I have no idea. I don't think he even works for them anymore so moot point.

also I am still sick, so let's kick this to some other time

kaiser

that's what I said: he left.

@Rarst n/p just get well :)

Rarst

14:51

yeah, damn WordCamp trip almost went without a hitch :\

userabuser

15:02

@Rarst isn't that the consensus already? "WPSE - bunch of rude question closing jerks"

kaiser

> WPSE
> We Proudly Shoot Everyone (who dares to ask a question)

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userabuser

lol

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@kaiser Almost worthy to replace "Where humor doesn't work."

kaiser

18:44

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A: Increase close vote weight for gold tag badge holders

Update: this is now enabled everywhere! The rules are: You can instantly close as a duplicate any question that was originally asked with a tag you have a gold badge for. You can instantly reopen any question closed as a duplicate that was originally asked with a tag you have a gold badge for....

Michael Ecklund

20:24

How do you show the kitchen sink by default? $args['wordpress_adv_hidden'] = false; doesn't seem to work anymore.

Nevermind, I lied. It still works.

lkraav

21:47

i wonder if there's a hidden wordpress datalayer gem sitting somewhere in github, similar to how sancho's wp-less isn't on plugins directory

duracelltomi's code could be a bit better. i wonder why they arent using wp_localize_script

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