The Loop

Tom J Nowell

00:02

the 'primary loop' of the OS

Rarst

07:06

Ever seen the source code for Git itself? I kid you not, this is it --> http://t.co/6FrCuvR5dW

Tweeted by bdkjones on January 13, 2014 at 2:04 AM

Sisir

07:28

@MayeenulIslam: Thanks! :)

Rarst

07:50

anyone used Timber in practice?

toscho

10:57

Git in the PHPStorm console … just NO. Completely fucked up.

userabuser

@Rarst no, but the routes implementation is intriguing..

@toscho yep.. not as good as i thought it should be

Rarst

@toscho git is in general :) I only do commits via gui pretty much in there

@userabuser yeah, query_posts() all the things... :)

toscho

I use Git bash. Nice. Works.

userabuser

@Rarst I use sourceTree 90% of the time, GitBash when I need some extra power...

@Rarst yeah I was kinda like "wtf" there.. :D

Rarst

I am talking about templating at WordCamp Norway...

toscho

11:02

Twig?

Rarst

all the things. theory, Mustache, Twig, Timber, Meadow

toscho

buzzword bingo?

Rarst

yeah

lkraav

11:46

wtf is up with this flexbox width calculations

same elements on different rows end up different result

Tom J Nowell

12:15

@Rarst meadow? Would you suggest a template engine or not to use one?

I'd like to try using twig, but I dont want to implement every template twice in twig and mustache/handlebars

Rarst

Meadow is my code for Twig in WP... it's complicated :) come watch talk

why twice?

Tom J Nowell

because there's no twig for js?

well there's a twig.js but I dont think it's mature?

Rarst

well, if you need to reuse templates on front end extensively yes. but building whole [complex] WP theme in Mustache is nightmare

kaiser

Commented all the crappy questions yesterday. Thought I'd go take a look and see who responded what... nothing. Only one upvote ... on SO which seems to be my best answer ever :P

anu

13:27

@Rarst It's certainly challenging :)

Rarst

and WP's fault, not Mustache's

toscho

I hate the wordpress.org plugin forums!

Rarst

it's so nice that you aren't obliged to provide support there. just have mandatory support forum for your every plugin.

toscho

yes, but I can add negative tags to every plugin, and the plugin author cannot do anything about it.

Rarst

I am being sarcastic.

toscho

13:33

my humor module just burned out :)

Rarst

official forums do that, yes.

Tom J Nowell

13:56

since when did humor work here?!

G. M.

@Rarst do you know if timber supports composer?

Rarst

@G.M. from quick look... meh-ly :)

Chip Bennett

14:16

@toscho as laudable as the desire/effort to funnel Plugin/Theme developers into the WPORG forums to provide Plugin/Theme support is, the effort will never truly be effective until the forum infrastructure better facilitates developers to moderate the support forums for their own Plugins/Themes.

GhostToast

good morning all

@ChipBennett by default a plugin developer doesn't even subscribe to their own "support forum"

like a father of a one-night-stand

Chip Bennett

@GhostToast indeed. The limitations are both infrastructural and philosophical, IMO

kaiser

@GhostToast hehe

GhostToast

in fact i'm not certain how to subscribe to this until there are posts? wordpress.org/support/plugin/ghost-responsive-stages

Rarst

14:36

@GhostToast see Developers tab

kaiser

@GhostToast IIRC somewhere on the bottom left..

GhostToast

pretty sure i can't subscribe until there is a ticket/post

Chip Bennett

@GhostToast there's always the option for all support threads

GhostToast

for every plugin ever? no thanks

Chip Bennett

@GhostToast your own Plugin?

Rarst

14:42

for your plugins, again - see developers tab

Chip Bennett

it's the Plugin committer feed

wordpress.org/support/rss/view/plugin-committer{username}

er: http://wordpress.org/support/rss/view/plugin-committer/chipbennett

fail

http://wordpress.org/support/rss/view/plugin-committer/{username}

GhostToast

erhm. was thinking more like email subscription

kaiser

Something's pretty wrong with my windows install. Got Vagrant + Puppet in the %PATH% var, still nothing recognized...

Looks like only Git Bash is confused. Damn it.

GhostToast

14:56

i wish there was a plugin where one could simulate a user other than admin. would be useful for sites where roles are important

but, would be tricky because you'd literally be that user without having actually logged in...

what what? wordpress.org/plugins/user-switching

kaiser

there is. IIRC @Rarst has written one?

Rarst

I didn't, the one above is staple

GhostToast

i guess i have 2 wishes remaining

Chip Bennett

@GhostToast perhaps something like blogtrottr.com?

@GhostToast or IFTT: chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/…

GhostToast

@ChipBennett i appreciate the research, might look at later

kevin

15:36

hey guys, i'm new to chat.stackexchange and i got a generic wordpress question. Can i ask it here or should i create a room? thanks.

Rarst

asking here is fine (when done in moderation :) however extensive stuff often belongs on main site first

GhostToast

ya, not so much a "room" as just a "question"

kevin

ok i'll try then. I got a wp_query on a custom post type and would like to display all infos related to those posts, like id, slug, title, related custom fields and taxonomies. Is that possible?

GhostToast

sure. get_queried_object() has lots of that in it, the rest will be found with get_post_custom()

look those up and you'll go far @kevin

kevin

thanks, will do!

GhostToast

15:42

might need get_the_terms() too for the taxonomy stuff

the first two are pretty broad, there are more specific, consumable variants of those functions as well. such as get_the_id(), get_the_title(), get_post_meta()

Rarst

got interrogated on phone by LiquidWeb affiliate manager about referral, is GhostToast mob or something?

Michael Ecklund

If you slipped and fell on the ice, who's fault is it? Your own fault? ... Or the owner of the company's parking-lot you slipped on?

GhostToast

@Rarst huh? for real?

Rarst

yeah. well, it was friendly but they hadn't called me before about it :)

GhostToast

@MichaelEcklund usually property owner has insurance for that very reason

i told them to make sure you were taken care of. also i used my Godfather voice. just kidding.

Michael Ecklund

15:51

Well, I know that but is that the right thing to do? Blaming your mistake on someone else?

Rarst

he was mostly puzzled how I got you referred, which is kinda weird... I told him I have posted links publicly so whatever

GhostToast

i said stackoverflow network chat

Rarst

you said it was personal VPS right? he said it was under some business

anyway, watever. dead money.

GhostToast

yea, Brain Alien Productions

Rarst

it's a pity their shared sucks, $100 would last me a while :)

GhostToast

16:31

all shared hosting sucks

Rarst

some sucks more than others. LiquidWeb one is good other than meh restriciton for number of sites

GhostToast

i have to migrate my clients away from hostgator reseller. hosting game is the worst money-pit because it feels like you could make money

Rarst

16:43

I pestered SiteGround into fixing initial issues, works quite fine now :)

Rarst

18:40

2014 Moderator Election

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GhostToast

what are the benefits :D

Rarst

none

GhostToast

resume fodder?

Rarst

nope, no one cares

GhostToast

wow wow how do you avoid getting nominated?

Rarst

18:44

sleep tied to the bed so you don't accidentally

lock all devices with codes impervious to drunk you

GhostToast

19:04

http://i.stack.imgur.com/9jleT.gif

@Rarst hater's gonna hate!

Michael Ecklund

19:26

Wish balsamiq had more options to choose from

Rarst

19:39

options as in?

Michael Ecklund

Like buttons arrows etc

I know it's a mockup program and not photoshop, but still I feel like it's lacking just a bit, overall nice program though.

toscho

I love it when people start their lame excuses with Puts on moderator hat.

Rarst

mockupstogo.mybalsamiq.com

Michael Ecklund

@Rarst. Yeah, I've seen that.

Are those configurable and resizable though?

Rarst

@toscho don't kick Jan, he is nice dude, it's larger issues with wp org forums than people :)

@MichaelEcklund well, had you tried to configure and resize them? :)

toscho

19:45

then there is no need to argument with exaggerations

Rarst

his style :) remember - they need to deal with more crap than us on worse platform over there

toscho

@Rarst that would be something I could accept. but telling me nonsense? no.

GhostToast

@toscho inwx.de has strange transfer process. assumes i or my current registrar have a nic.st account

toscho

@GhostToast isn’t that required to register a .st domain?

GhostToast

@toscho wasn't for me, I just used easyname.com and paid. i have an account with them but doubt that is the same

toscho

19:50

how can easyname.com register a domain without an account for nic.st?

anyway, ask the inwx support, they will find a way.

GhostToast

i question this as well

Rarst

election is ON

GhostToast

so @Rarst and @toscho are you up for reconsideration or already tenured in?

Rarst

we are trapped in this forever :( I thought it was for a year at first :(((

GhostToast

WPSE Moderators: The only way out is death!!!

Rarst

20:06

yep. you lie down and carefully do nothing, and when you are dried to skeleton someone throws it out.

Stack Exchange

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Q: 2014 Community Moderator Election

The 2014 Community Moderator Election is now underway! Community moderator elections have three phases: Nomination phase Primary phase Election phase Most elections take between two and three weeks, but this depends on how many candidates there are. Please visit the official election page a...

toscho

finally!

toscho

20:52

@s_ha_dum Please nominate yourself to be a community moderator!

Chip Bennett

@toscho @s_ha_dum what @toscho said

Stack Exchange

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Q: 2014 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

In connection with the moderator elections, we will be holding a Q&A with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is completely voluntary. Here's how it'll work: During the nominati...

discussion featured election

GhostToast

21:27

what about you @ChipBennett ?

ah. i think i found the page of applicants. but can't tell if its current or lifetime

elections.stackexchange.com/#wordpress.stackexchange

Rarst

21:48

that's old, no nominations in current election yet

bosco

22:22

I like how Otto got nominated, lol

I take that back - he was actually a lot more active than I thought. Just not so much recently.

toscho

@bosco no, you can only nominate yourself

Rarst

I am not sure what that actually shows

bosco

@toscho ahhh

toscho

looks like all nomination from all elections

Rarst

I don't think Otto ever nominated

that looks like it might be just grabbing top users or something

Stephen Harris

22:26

@Rarst and I don't remember being nominated

Nor scribu..

Rarst

just look through previous elections, that page doesn't actually show nominations

bosco

@Rarst Is that talk going to be recorded?

Rarst

no idea, I know some talks from Norway were in past ones

bosco

Alrighty - I'll keep an eye out.

Rarst

you all are paying too much attention to my talks (whole two of them so far, counting Norway ahead of time), it's not like I am good at it :)

bosco

22:37

Heh - I'm just fairly clueless when it comes to template engines and the like. I have no idea where I land on the matter - I've heard good arguments for both sides, played with several engines, and written a couple tiny implementations, but I still feel like I can't make a solid educated decision when it comes to a new project. It's just always kind of "eh, let's try this and see what happens."

I'm not so interested in the structure of your presentation as I am the content of it and your takes on such matters (no offense to your ability to present :P)

Rarst

oh well... I need to work on slides :\ much less time notice for this one, then waiting on visa stuff

Chip Bennett

23:24

@GhostToast I don't think it would be a good idea for me to have Mod privileges

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