Axtell

Downgoat

02:07

> Error: Key authentication failed. Either expired on client/server or hijacked token.

seems like jwkeys renewalissue

Anonymous

05:28

Hooray

Anonymous

Restarted the service

Anonymous

Also if there are no non-sucky suggestions by midnight UTC, we will become CodeSport

Pavel

When is midnight UTC in murica time

On an unrelated note, I just found this:

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@Mego Name idea: The Programmers' Arena

Anonymous

05:44

@Pavel 5 PM for PDT, 7 PM for CDT, 8 PM for EDT

Anonymous

@Pavel Too long. Names should be short and memorable. Something related to arenas isn't a bad idea, though.

Pavel

Hmm

Bubbler

06:20

CodeEagle? (just thought about golf terms...)

Cows quack

08:02

PenGoat (= penguin + goat)

ASCII-only

09:12

@Mego PPCG

@Mego "Abandon All Work"

Anonymous

15:45

@ASCII-only Obviously no

Anonymous

@Bubbler We're trying not to have an explicit association with code golf, since we want to support all kinds of co.petitive programming

Laikoni

@Mego "Tjost"

German word for jousting, a competition in medieval tournaments.

Pavel

Dec 5 '17 at 6:38, by Mego

Non-English may not be a great idea for SEO. However, an English-sounding name that is based off of a non-English name would work

Nathan Merrill

16:08

"Cocom"

there's no reason the name needs to relate to the site

see: every other popular site

it's technically a shortening of "code competition", but it's also a fruit

oh, the fruit is "cocum" or "kokum"

I like both of those spellings

Anonymous

Dirty jokes about "cocum" are too easy

Nathan Merrill

...I mean, sure, but so? You control the content of your own site. I don't think this actually has any effect on the site.

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill I, however, do not control the content of reddit

Nathan Merrill

right, but I don't really care what a couple of teenagers are going to giggle about

Anonymous

Sure, but if we can come up with another good suggestion that doesn't lend itself to lewd jokes, I'd prefer that

Nathan Merrill

16:22

I mean, I'm not actually that invested into the name Cocum, but I don't think the lewd jokes should really influence the decision

I'm more of the opinion that the name really doesn't matter. Just like Amazon has nothing to do with the tribe, or Google about the large number

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Actually, Google's name is a reference to a googol - because it returns large amounts of information

Nathan Merrill

fair enough. That still has very little effect on people IMO

Anonymous

And Bezos chose Amazon because the Amazon rainforest is "exotic and different", and he wanted Amazon to be different from other retailers.

Nathan Merrill

then if you really want to imitate them, you shouldn't come up with a name that relates to what you do, but rather how you do it

Pavel

17:25

Code Colosseum?

Alliteration!

Downgoat

17:55

@Mego can’t domain is taken

Pavel

@Downgoat By whom exactly? Both .com and .org don't seem to have anything

Downgoat

it expires next month tho, if they don't auto-renew we can see if we can grab

web.archive.org/web/20150107165740/http://www.codesport.com:80

Pavel

@Downgoat .org is registered to namecheap tho

Downgoat

I see enom.com?

Pavel

Oh you know what nevermind

I just had the thought that it would be great if the name didn't start with code

Downgoat

18:05

^

Pavel

So it doesn't conflict with browser autocomplete for codegolf.SE.com

Conor O'Brien

is logging in broken

Pavel

usually it is, yes

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien can u share ErrorManager.dump()

Pavel

SE login works fine though

Conor O'Brien

18:07

"Error Dump for instance ifc2eecefe36cdb6fa0df126a2c94d295:

 1. Error
    Key authentication failed. Either expired on client/server or hijacked token.

 2. Error
    Key authentication failed. Either expired on client/server or hijacked token."

Downgoat

yeah that's a Json web token thing

Conor O'Brien

Downgoat

name suggestion: Axtell

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Pavel

What's it mean?

Downgoat

named after a place in antarctica

Pavel

18:10

nice

Downgoat

axtell.io is also available

Conor O'Brien

feature request: login with github

Anonymous

18:43

@ConorO'Brien Shouldn't be too much more work, since it's OAuth

Anonymous

Sign-in should be unborked

Anonymous

@Downgoat We have a winrar

Anonymous

Time to go change all of the names everywhere

Anonymous

room topic changed to Axtell: An experiment in a custom site: github.com/Axtell-io gist.github.com/Mego/3c00ee84c6826e56590ad0d340a82d84 [code-goat] [programming-penguin]

Anonymous

This project is now called Axtell

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Pavel

18:50

> winrar

Anonymous

@Downgoat Please update the language submission form

Pavel

> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Axtell can refer to:

Places in the United States
Axtell, Kansas, a city in Marshall County, Kansas
Axtell, Missouri, a community in Macon County, Missouri
Axtell, Nebraska, a village in Kearney County, Nebraska
Axtell, Texas, an unincorporated community in eastern McLennan County, Texas
Axtell, Utah, an unincorporated town in Sanpete County, Utah, between Gunnison and Salina

:P

I do like the name though

Conor O'Brien

btw the ui allows both downvoting and upvoting simultaneously

Pavel

That's been a known bug since the voting ui has been implemented

Conor O'Brien

oh ok

Anonymous

18:55

@ConorO'Brien Known bug. I told Downgoat to fix it a few centuries ago

Pavel

On the backend side it does cancel your previous vote though

Conor O'Brien

yea

Pavel

If you refresh it'll only display your latest one

fergusq

I heard about this yesterday, so I don't know much. I was said that this attempts to be somehow better than ppcg. What should be the main differences?

Pavel

There'a list somewhere if I can find it

betseg

19:00

@Mego i joined a few rooms 15 min ago, one of which was this, then i thought "wait i accidentally clicked that one instead of ppcgv2"

Conor O'Brien

also is the ppcgv2 discord ever used? it seems to be blank

Anonymous

@fergusq Mandatory sandbox usage for new challenges (established challenge authors will have the ability to skip the sandbox), splitting up reputation into different categories (participation, challenges, answers, etc.), moderation tool access not being tied to reputation, better TIO integration, leaderboards, etc.

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien Not yet, because that will be our chat system for the site once it's released. This is just a dev room.

Conor O'Brien

ohhh

fergusq

Is reputation just cosmetic if you can't get moderation privileges with it?

Mandatory sandboxing sounds very good, should decrease the number of low-quality challenges a lot. (And prevent those close-reopen wars.)

Pavel

19:07

It's not that reputation isn't tied to privelages. It's that there are different kinds of reputation that grant different priveleges.

e.g. enough rep from challenges would let you skip the sandbox, but no matter how good you are at answering challenges you won't unlock that power from answer rep alone.

Anonymous

@fergusq No, the plan is to have other rewards - stuff like site analytics and badges, that are nice but don't affect moderation ability

Conor O'Brien

maybe there could be a "reputation threshold" where, after attaining a certain amount of rep, they could apply for moderation tools?

Pavel

@Mego Ok, how will you do moderation. The almost entirely democratic style of moderation that SE has might not be perfect, but it's better than just you and goat doing all the moderating.

Anonymous

@Pavel I'm currently considering a system with different tiers of moderators, that can be elected/appointed. The highest tier would be like SE's mods, and lower tiers would be like meeting certain rep thresholds for moderation privs

fergusq

Are you going to set up a democratic system for creating rules (like meta)? Hopefully it will be better than SE meta, which is confusing.

Conor O'Brien

19:14

(it could be a giant game of nomic :o)

betseg

is it only me or does the the main page scroll too slowly

Pavel

@ConorO'Brien nomic?

Conor O'Brien

Nomic

Nomic is a game created in 1982 by philosopher Peter Suber in which the rules of the game include mechanisms for the players to change those rules, usually beginning through a system of democratic voting. Nomic is a game in which changing the rules is a move. In that respect it differs from almost every other game. The primary activity of Nomic is proposing changes in the rules, debating the wisdom of changing them in that way, voting on the changes, deciding what can and cannot be done afterwards, and doing it. Even this core of the game, of course, can be changed. The initial ruleset was designed...

rule-rewriting game

Downgoat

ok wow this is going to be a lot of changes

Anonymous

@fergusq I've had a few ideas about that. I like the idea of having monthly voting on proposals that have sufficient support

Anonymous

19:19

So yeah, like Nomic :P

Conor O'Brien

eyo

Anonymous

@Downgoat github.com/Axtell-io/Axtell/pull/118 I think I got everything

Downgoat

also on placed like GitHub, Google, and SE we have to change the name

Cows quack

19:40

could you edit the website into the room description?

Anonymous

20:05

@Cowsquack Not until we have a stable beta

Downgoat

are you guys pronouncing it "axe-tell" or "axe-tull"

Anonymous

axe-tell

Anonymous

Updated SE, working on Google

Pavel

^^

Anonymous

Updated the name on Google

Downgoat

20:20

we can try to ask Github to nuke github.com/axtell since they have no activity

betseg

is github case sensitive

Downgoat

no

Anonymous

@Downgoat You should now have write access on the main website repo. Use it responsibly

Anonymous

Also none of the URLs for anything have been updated yet - we need the new domain to actually point to the site first, to make LetsEncrypt work, which everything else needs to work (since we redirect everything to HTTPS)

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