Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Neil

00:46

Any one know any anime Characters that are Like Yuno Gasai,Lucy,Ein,Otoya Takechi and Kurumi

Darjeeling

Senjougahara

Neil

@Darjeeling any more.

@Darjeeling do you know anime characters with no empathy.

Darjeeling

01:02

I don't watch anime with that kind of character, but the anime I watched just happened to have them

@Neil like who

define 'no empathy'

Neil

@Darjeeling killing without much concern.

@Darjeeling like Lucy,Kurumi and Kurumi

Darjeeling

well the Senjougahara probably not the one you're looking for, she probably can kill Araragi and other girls but she never do that

sorry for late reply, I'm working atm

Neil

@Darjeeling i want some one that kills.

Taisho

Neil

01:20

Darjeeling

you should watch higurashi

Neil

@Darjeeling all ready have.

Any one know any anime Characters that are Like Yuno Gasai,Lucy,Ein,Otoya Takechi and Kurumi

Matt

@Ikaros I've seen kantai

Sorry to be late

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

01:42

@Neil in terms of what? Character design? Personality? Archetype?

Neil

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ no empathy. enjoys killing. yandere

Frosteeze

there really isnt a lot of yandere characters are there

Darjeeling

@Neil did she kill ever anyone?

Logan M

02:03

Sonokawa Momoka

Neil

02:14

@Darjeeling who

Darjeeling

@LoganM lol

@Neil the one my question linked to

Neil

@Darjeeling yes

Darjeeling

@LoganM she's a sadist

Sakamoto

0

Q: What is the Japanese release date of Evangelion: 3.0+1.0?

Has an official Japanese release date for Evangelion: 3.0+1.0 been announced?

Neil

@Darjeeling if i counted rught. she killed 6 people.

not sure if she killed the whole school or not.

Mysticial

02:44

@Neil Anything Yandere?

Neil

@Mysticial Yes

Mysticial

Ayase from Oreimo. But the show isn't exactly violent. So you don't see her killing anyone.

Darjeeling

Dokuro-Chan

Neil

03:08

there is not enough yandare girls

Septian Primadewa

how our policy about asking date release ?

Hell Butterfly

03:41

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Tyhja

i see lotsa words

@_@

Sakamoto

04:02

0

Q: Please help out in finding the name of a Shounen Manga

Hey I would appreciate quite a lot if anyone could help me find the name of this manga So the manga starts with a boy who is obsessed with being a hero of justice getting severely injured in protecting an alien Moon Princess from an assassin attack while on a metro rail journey Cut to few years l...

identification-request

Neil

04:41

Violent anime girls.

Like Lucy from Elfen Lied or any female Character of Akuma no Riddle, and Yuno Gasai

i need some names

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@SeptianPrimadewa release dates: fine, if something is getting another story (production details): off-topic

@Neil io9.gizmodo.com/the-12-most-abusive-women-in-anime-1456915354

Tyhja

05:17

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ wai dere no b yanyan with no dere

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@LoganM a bit of explanation is in order, many questions seem to skew towards, anime. While I'm not too enthusiastic with requiring a franchise tag, I'm at least willing to give it a try. The idea here is to do some multivariate testing: FMA with the franchise and split series tag, dragonball with just the split in continuities, and everything else as they are.

I agree that suddenly changing how the tagging works is an arduous endeavor, which is why I'll try to see this experiment from beginning to end. If it doesn't work, it will be a testament of why we shouldn't approach the subject in such a manner. If it somehow does, it can be take as a sort of precedence for future policy.

The primary goal of all this is to try to give the user that want to participate a change to get more involved. Sure sometimes we might make mistakes and get side tracked or tunnel visioned with certain policies or matters, but it's all a part of growing as a community and figuring out what we want to do.

@Tyhja violent !== yandere or even yangire

I've made provisions in order to be able to more easily revert things in call everything fall though. I'll write a clearer post of the intent and goals of this change this weekend. Series like Aria wouldn't change, a question about the Aqua manga will still fall under the "aria" tag. As for IM@S, certain series like puchimasu or idolmaster xenoglossia are far enough removed for the original games to be considered seperate franchises.

Tyhja

05:32

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ i mean the "yanyan" version of "deredere"

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Tyhja they're just yamu 病む

Tyhja

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ is that a term or just a normal adjective

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Tyhja is a verb

to fall sick

Tyhja

yes i know, i mean in the context of describing such... "characters"?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Tyhja this first part of yandere, unlike tsundere is not made of a onomatopoeic or mimetic word

it's from 病んでる (yanderu, "to be sick", a contraction of 病んでいる (yandeiru))

Taisho

05:40

2

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

病む (yamu) is the progressive form of this

Tyhja

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ oh tsun is not a word?

i rephrase. i didnt know tsun was onomatopoeic

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

tsundere is a portmanteau of ツンツン ‎(tsun-tsun, "to turn away in disgust") + デレデレ ‎(dere-dere, "to become lovey-dovey")

Sakamoto

0

Q: Is Aniz and his servant's still leveling in New World?

is Ainz and his servants leveling up like when they were killing monster get exp YGGDRASIL.

overlord

Tyhja

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ so tsuntsun is an onomatopiea?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

05:50

Index and Railgun (and spinoffs of that, like Accelerator's), since they are related but entirely seperate stories would merit a franchise tag to connect them. Part of the intend is to get people to use tag wikis that we've been neglecting

@Tyhja yes, onomatopoeia expression are strange and often time unrelatable to western languages

Tyhja

soudesuka...

Sakamoto

06:22

-1

Q: What anime is this from?!?! Pls help!

https://instagram.com/p/BAgpWBWmy4M/ Please help! I swear I recognize it and been searching EVERYWHERE FOR IT 3: please help!

identification-request

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

07:04

I hope this meta better describes the intent: meta.anime.stackexchange.com/questions/2719/…

3

Hell Butterfly

07:14

1

Q: A certain multivariate experiment: Testing changes to series tags based on story continuity

The meta is written in order to better explain the intent behind the changes to site tags in regards to series continuity as noted in this meta. This experiment is being done in an attempt to access the viability of such a change on a community-wide basis. If it is deemed that there is little to...

discussion featured tags lumping-and-splitting multivariate-testing

5

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

Snape's actor died btw

Ayase Eri

07:52

Killed by Voldemort?

Tyhja

RIP

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ i bet it'll be more

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

To younger people, he was Professor Snape.
To others, he was Hans Grüber.
To the eccentric, he was the Sheriff of Nottingham.
To many, he was an excellent actor.
By Grabthar's Hammer, he was quite an actor.

he was also Elliot Marston, Metatron, and Marvin, a depressed robot

2

Tyhja

08:14

metatronnnn

Ayase Eri

08:57

Rewatching Code Geass, i realized how much the difference in quality between the main frame and its inter-frame

Compared to how Yuru Yuri don't have such a problem

Sakamoto

0

Q: In Laputa, does "バルス" have any meaning or etymology?

Does "バルス", which is popular in tweeting during Laputa, have any meaning or etymology, or rationale for being in katakana?

japanese-language castle-in-the-sky

Tyhja

09:10

interframe?

Ayase Eri

Usually when creating anime, the main animators animate only the main frames

The rest, called interframe is done by the juniors.

main animators also called key animators

Tyhja

ah i see. i never really remember the terminology

Ayase Eri

For example, when Toshinou Kyouko are talking in a 24fps anime, the Key Animator might worked only on the first and last frame, while frame no 2 to 23 are done by the junior

Sakamoto

-2

Q: What manga is this from ?

Would anyone tell me what manga the picture in this post is from? please ? https://twitter.com/aranimeconfess/status/687830451923333121

identification-request

Ayase Eri

Depending on the skill of the junior, the interframe might have a very noticeable quality difference compared to the frame done by the key animator

Tyhja

09:17

dont they do QC?

i thought CGeass was pretty high on production wasn't it

Ayase Eri

@Tyhja Yes, but of course they also have to meet deadline, so some rather low quality images might pass

Tyhja

did you try the bluray release?

Ayase Eri

Nope

Tyhja

sometimes they cleanup stuff in the bluray

Ayase Eri

But I also compared it to the non BR version of Yuru Yuri

Tyhja

09:19

i see. the BR version might be better

Ayase Eri

@Sakamoto close please

Neil

09:37

Any one knoiw any Violent anime girls. Like Lucy from Elfen Lied or any female Character of Akuma no Riddle, and Yuno Gasai

Tyhja

you have a weird fetish neil

welcome to A&M

xD

Gao

Rena Ryuuguu and Shion Sonozaki from Higurashi no Naku Koro ni.

Ayase Eri

@Neil Dark Touka from the second season of Date a Live, girls from Senran Kagura series, girls from Hyakka Ryouran Samurai Girls series

Tyhja

09:52

so many violent gurls

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

5 hours ago, by ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Neil http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-12-most-abusive-women-in-anime-1456915354

Tyhja

random @ʞɹɐzǝɹ alert

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Tyhja yamato when?

Taisho

3

Ikaros

@Matt Np! Is it worth watching in your opinion?

Ayase Eri

09:57

Kousaka Kirino from OreImo can be rather violent at times

Tyhja

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ ~18 hrs?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Tyhja as you wish.

Septian Primadewa

i.imgur.com/VtqaQil.gifv

Ikaros

@SeptianPrimadewa Wow, such animation, very laser rays

Tyhja

@Ikaros agree +1

!!doge animation, quality, effort

HoiHoi-san

10:03

      wow
such animation quality effort

Tyhja

hm

HoiHoi-san

       wow
             very animation
                        so  quality
much  effort

Tyhja

there we goes

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ is mike okay

Memor-X

yay @HoiHoi-san is back

Neil

:D

Memor-X

10:07

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ too bad i can't give two stars, one for Nero and one for Tamamo

@Neil anime?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Tyhja mike asleep

Neil

@Memor-X Shiki

Tyhja

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ hmm then what tiems

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Tyhja i dunno ask mike, your time should be ok

Memor-X

i got the feeling of Faust from it. pink hair like that of her origin but with evil looking eyes which seem to scream out chaotic insanity

@Neil ok thanks

Memor-X

10:22

whoops

note to self, don't sit PS4 control charge dock ontop of laptop when it is on

Memor-X

11:24

@ToshinouKyouko sent you a request on PSN. keep in mind that they apprently expire in 30 days

Sakamoto

12:37

0

Q: Please help me identify this show about a time-travel romance similar to The Girl who Leapt Through Time. More details inside.

The show I am trying to identify shares some characteristics with The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, namely the elements of time travel and romance. The plot of the show that I am trying to identify involved a girl who was in love with a boy in her class. One day, she overheard the boy jokingly say...

identification-request

0

Q: How did Zeff really lose his leg?

So far, I have 2 versions of how Zeff lost his leg in the past, 1. Manga Version, Zeff ate his own leg to survive. 2. Anime Version, Zeff's foot got stuck in an anchor when saving Sanji underwater. And he never said he ate his own leg. Note: The flashback is on 18:00 - 20:00 or something. L...

one-piece

JNat

12:51

Mornin'

Michael McQuade

13:14

Mornin'

Quill

Matt

13:33

@Ikaros It's worth a watch, there are only 12 episodes after all :L You'd probably enjoy it more if you've played the game, the plot isn't fantastic, it's more for enjoying the characters than anything imo

Ikaros

@Matt So type B. Thanks :D

Matt

I enjoyed it though, there are a few funny moments in there :')

No worries ^_^

Michael McQuade

13:46

@Tyhja I'm okay :D

@AshishGupta Nice answer btw ^_^

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

Hi guys

o/

Michael McQuade

@AshishGupta I only knew about the anime version until recently

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

Damn, my mic input is f***ed up

Michael McQuade

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan Hi o/

Quill

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

13:55

Guys, what should I do? I bought male-male cable to use my cellphone as a mic in my laptop. The cellphone plugs fine, but the computer mic input is large, or maybe I bought the wrong cable. If I plug it on the speaker input, the cellphone identifies "a headphone" (what should happen with the mic input). Damn :c

Ashish Gupta

14:05

@MichaelMcQuade Thanks :>

Even I found out about it a year after I had begun with the anime. :P

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan Why not try interfit sync cable (bit.ly/1QaRV71) or something of the sort?

Taisho

2

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

@AshishGupta I actually never heard of it

Uninstalled all audio drivers. Time to reboot.

Madara Uchiha

14:41

@Hakase Votes on meta usually signify agreement

That applies to both question and answers

Maroon

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ: as examples, would this question be tagged with fma-series, and this with fma-series, fullmetal-alchemist-manga, and fma-brotherhood then?

Or would it be up solely to the OP's discretion (in which case, I assume fma-brotherhood might contain questions not in fullmetal-alchemist-manga, given that people seem more likely to have seen the anime)?

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

I'd say both with fma-series only

Maroon

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan: the events the OP asks about in the second question only happen in the manga / FMA:B.

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

@Maroon Oh, I see

I've only seen FMA:B

(and AFAIK it's pretty much the manga, IDK)

Is @HoiHoi working?

!!tell Chinatsu say Hello Chinatsu

HoiHoi-san

@Chinatsu Hello Chinatsu

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

14:52

yup.

@AshishGupta lol, uninstalling the drivers worked. ^__^

Ashish Gupta

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan That's good :3

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Maroon yes; for the 2nd the manga tag is situational, if it directly specifies the manga, yes

Ashish Gupta

@AstralSea Your comment on this question: anime.stackexchange.com/questions/28974/… Perfectly matches the question description. I checked the synopsis of all the time travel anime (that I found listed on the top sites) and none of them seemed to match with the question

Pretty sure that's the answer. Awesome video btw.

Sakamoto

1

Q: If Kurama is living embodiment of hatred what about other tailed beasts?

If Kurama is really living embodiment of hatred (not some self proclaim title) then what about other tailed beasts. Are they embodiment of something else ?

naruto

-1

Q: Help me pick a new amine to watch

I started watching anime again and just finished rewatching two animes I liked from a couple years ago. It was "Toradora" and "Say I love you." I like the school setting in both animes, how friendly everyone was in "Toradora," and how romantic it was in "Say I Love You." From this, what would yo...

toradora

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

15:17

@AshishGupta wow, uninstalling the drivers DIDN'T work. u__u

it connects for like 10 seconds and then disconnects. It was happening before but restarting the drivers worked

the problem is clearly the computer

Ashish Gupta

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan Lol. Does it not work with an earphone/headphone?

If it does, then the problem is the connector you're using for your cellphone

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

i can't say. my earphone is audio in only.

CuddleBunny

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan if the male-male is smaller on one end then it is probably a 2.5mm plug. The computer probably uses a 3.5mm plug. Something like this should work: amazon.com/Steren-2-5mm-3-5mm-Cable-Stereo/dp/B00291N83O

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

@CuddleBunny the weird part is that it works with the speaker input

Ashish Gupta

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan Hmm. I see. I'd suggest using what CuddleBunny sent you or something similar/an earphone with mic. This is the first time I've heard of using cellphone as a mic for comp

So idk much about it ;_;

CuddleBunny

15:29

it could be that the port you're using is input only too

what kind of phone is it?

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

@CuddleBunny If you mean model, Microsoft Lumia 640 dual chip

Andrew T.

Is there any policy about answering bad [identification-request] questions?

CuddleBunny

oh, so it does only have a 3.5mm

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

@CuddleBunny yeah, as I said, the first 10 minutes were ok, but then it started to "oscillate" again

Andrew T.

Browsing this search query is kind of depressing since the questions won't be eligible for roomba due to upvoted/accepted answers...

CuddleBunny

15:35

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan what app are you recording with

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

Real microphone

Tho the "headphone" (that would be the computer audio-in) disconnects even if I don't open the app

CuddleBunny

looks like it works with bluetooth have you tried that?

Then on the PC if your audio section looks like this: abletonlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/… you want to plug it into the pink one

Ashish Gupta

@AndrewT. It's totally upto you, IMO. I, for one, tend to avoid answering questions which I know are duplicates. If it's a badly framed question with less details (and hence the downvotes), but you know the answer to it, why not post it? :)

For example: anime.stackexchange.com/questions/25857/… This question was answered properly and has downvotes due to lacking details. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have a good answer

CuddleBunny

@AndrewT. I think people are too harsh on id-req questions, but I'm not a mod so I don't have to be bombarded with them all day...

Andrew T.

Usually, on the networks I'm active, we use comment to provide answer so that the question is still eligible for automatic deletion.

Ashish Gupta

15:40

Btw I just noticed. The question I linked has 5 upvotes and 7 downvotes :o

CuddleBunny

I think id-req questions of low quality should be left at zero

unless they're really bad or dupes

Ashish Gupta

^exactly. You can't expect new users to follow all the guidelines suggested for a good identification question.

Taisho

Ashish Gupta

Atleast if you're downvoting it, be courteous enough to leave a comment as to why it was downvoted and how the user can improve the question

CuddleBunny

that and as a community I think we're pretty good at finding the answer based on some extremely obscure information and if no one knows it is okay to leave it sit until someone comes along that does

there just needs to be some shred of semi-unique information in the question

Ashish Gupta

15:45

True

Andrew T.

I see.

Ashish Gupta

That reminds me of this: anime.stackexchange.com/questions/28776/… (see the comments)

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

Oh this is sick

4

Ashish Gupta

It's hard to imagine this community without identification questions :p

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

@CuddleBunny nope. does it? lol

Ashish Gupta

15:48

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan Who comes up with this stuff? x_X

CuddleBunny

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan the app reviews say there is a bit of a delay with bluetooth but that it works

Toshinou Kyouko

@Memor-X Okay, will do :)

Andrew T.

I don't disagree with good identification requests (some even made me curious), but for the rest...

CuddleBunny

@AshishGupta yeah, I'd say that is a solid question. It doesn't readily help any other user, but something about the image inspired curiosity in the asker so perhaps it will inspire the same in future viewers.

Toshinou Kyouko

I have a proposal that I will suggest after the tagging stuff is sorted

Andrew T.

15:53

I just noticed id-req is the most asked questions (2k questions). I'm worried what Robben wrote is coming true.

Chinatsu-creepy-chan

@CuddleBunny I'm not too sure of how to do it

@AndrewT. that's pretty bad

Andrew T.

(sorry, wrong query. There are 1700 out of 2000)

Hakase

@MadaraUchiha I know but don't you think it could be more detailed than that?

Andrew T.

Well, it doesn't seem that bad..

Toshinou Kyouko

@AndrewT. that query doesn't work for me

i have results that are like +4 in there

CuddleBunny

15:57

@Chinatsu-creepy-chan you'd go into the bluetooth settings on your PC, turn on bluetooth on your phone, and user one to pair to the other

Hakase

-212

Q: A New Code License: The MIT, this time with Attribution Required

TLDR: This is a follow-up to our initial proposal for transitioning to a more user-friendly code license. The purpose of this post is to address the concern expressed most frequently in response to the initial proposal: no attribution requirement. Also, we want to make sure everyone has ample ...

discussion featured feedback licensing creative-commons

some crapshow goin on

Ashish Gupta

Holy shit

212 downvotes on a featured meta post by a moderator

Must see~

Hakase

who the hell thought attribution required is beneficial to anyone

that's extra text nobody cares about

Toshinou Kyouko

I don't see why the current CC licence isn't appropiate

Hakase

we gotta make things better, not advertise ourselves

idk gotta read this now

Toshinou Kyouko

16:00

it can apply to code too, it's not common, but it's possible

CuddleBunny

@ToshinouKyouko the current license requires attribution, even though no one actually does it

Toshinou Kyouko

Attribution is fine

I would like all my posts to be attributed to me

Hakase

The voting on the previous meta post is not a reliable indicator for how the community views this version of the proposal in my opinion. There are just too many different concerns mixed into this single number. — Mad Scientist yesterday

CuddleBunny

before all this discourse, I didn't even know SO code was licensed...

Toshinou Kyouko

Generally, you should attribute anything that is not yours tbh

Hakase

16:03

which is why I keep saying up/down votes are not a good indicator of people's opinion on a meta post

Toshinou Kyouko

If i ever grab some code off a site I'll stick a small comment in

CuddleBunny

if I copy code verbatim from an answer I add a link to said answer in a comment for context

99% of the time though I adapt the code because the context or conventions are wildly different

Hakase

I think keeping it simple for the main site is fine, but for meta we should really get more in detail about our thoughts

145

A: Can we talk about the voting culture here on Meta?

So I've been kinda chewing on this since your email, because... It's one of those simple questions that defies a simple answer. You're not the only person to raise this concern, of course: several respected users, moderators and even co-workers have expressed dismay upon seeing reasonable questio...

oh look related posts

Taisho

Toshinou Kyouko

you have to take the meta page as a whole

Hakase

16:07

what do you mean?

Toshinou Kyouko

as in, if you are making a decision about someithng - you shouldn't just look at the top answer

you look at all the answers, and see if there is a common sentiment

if there isn't, make a judgement call based on the comments

something like that

Hakase

I mean I would love it if you could look at the meta page and see immediately some stats panel which says if users think there is a common sentiment here or if opinions differ, without having to read anything in advance

and for each post, if it's a solution or just a detailed comment

if the solution is deemed good by users or bad

and if people agree with it or not

Sakamoto

0

Q: When will Bleach anime return?

Why did it end in 2012 and when will Studio Pierrot resume its production to finish the reminder in the Thousand Year Blood War(Quincy Saga)as Kubo continues to produce them?

anime-production bleach manga-production

Hakase

all separate stats

CuddleBunny

might be hard to determine the synonymity of the answers, but that could be cool.

Hakase

16:13

I understand people will be like "wtf no we only want one up/down vote stat" but sometimes people don't know what they want until they get it

for the main site I agree, we gotta keep it simple, as nobody expects ordinary users to go that deep in detail about their opinion on a Q or A

but on meta, a place specifically for going into details about things?

I think that's a perfect place for that

and for honesty's sake I'd even propose to make those votes public, so everyone would feel some weight of their vote

there are a lot of people who will abuse voting systems while they're anonymous, but not when they are public

I haven't thought this through but I think it's an interesting direction

Yuuki

Apparently since there are as many SE sites as Gen 1 Pokemon, a list was made to match SE site to Pokemon, sorted by date of creation.

Toshinou Kyouko

I don't think that is a good idea

anonymity is an important part of voting

Yuuki

A&M is Haunter.

Toshinou Kyouko

what if I support A&M being a SE for all cartoons but i dont want the abuse of the other voters

for instance

Hakase

oh right I completely forgot about vengeful people

Toshinou Kyouko

16:19

:o

Hakase

sorry!

Toshinou Kyouko

Haunter is cool

Hakase

happens when you live in a fantasy world :p

alright, no public votes, just more detailed in terms of (dis)agreement and goodness/badness

Toshinou Kyouko

unanonymous vote for a single-tomato dictatorship

all downvoters will be shot

Hakase

what info I'd like to see on meta posts: Q1. Whether the post is about a problem with the site or something else like asking to explain how something works Q2. If users recognize it as a problem, and it's not made up. Q3. How important users think this problem is. A1. If users think an answer is actually an answer, and not a long comment on the problem. A2. If users think it's a good or a bad solution to the problem.

something about quality as a separate stat should be added I think, but I'm not sure if we get all that, it would be useful

good/bad solution is already a quality stat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ @Mad ^

@JNat I'd like your input on this, guys

just this message block, don't read above

JNat

16:29

Ah, ok

@Hakase I don't think I'm getting this without context — can you summarise?

What's this about, really?

Hakase

meta votes are very poor indicators of public opinion on the matters discussed

you don't really know what people think just from the total post score

more detailed stats could shed more light on that

it's hard to say what's going on at a glance, you gotta read and sometimes a lot, if not everything, to understand what people think

for example, when you like an idea but see it as very low quality, you can press Good solution button and Low quality

currently that would mean zero sum and you may not want to vote at all on a post like that

Maroon

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ: got it. (Not sure if I'm wholly happy with the details, but that makes sense, and I'd have to think through it first before producing any real complaints.) When are we rolling out the changes?

Hakase

which leaves no indication of your opinion at all

Taisho

2

Hakase

unless you comment or upvote an existing comment which goes in line with your opinion, but I think buttons are easier to read

JNat

16:37

So, wait, @Hakase: is this a proposal for how we should expose posts and whatnot, or a feature-request?

Hakase

it's a WIP feature request for expanding post votes for meta

Toshinou Kyouko

@Maroon did you change your avatar?

Beta-kun

@turbo_MaCk Are you logged in when seeing this? We don't serve leaderboards to users such as yourself with >= 200 reputation.

Tweeted by StackStatus on January 15, 2016 at 4:26 PM in reply to turbo_MaCk

@turbo_MaCk That's also not an ad we would approve - it's very tasteless, so we want to find out the source (i.e. injected on your end?)

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JNat

@Hakase Hmm, I see

I'm gonna re-read everything you wrote, and try to give some feedback

gimme some time

Hakase

ok sure

JNat

16:39

and it may come fragmented :P

Hakase

better than nothing

Maroon

@ToshinouKyouko: yeah, went back to the default Gravatar (?) setting.

JNat

@Hakase So Q1 here is solvable with tags. There's discussion is it's something that needs to be discussed with the community, and support if it's a "not sure how this works" type of thing.

Toshinou Kyouko

ah, I was right

JNat

@ToshinouKyouko 'bout what I said?

Or something else?

Toshinou Kyouko

16:43

about Maroon changing their avatar

JNat

@Hakase Q here denotes stuff you want the question to be able to transmit, and A stuff the answer(s) should be able to transmit? Or am I reading this wrong?

@ToshinouKyouko Ah, nothing to do with me then, sorry :P

Hakase

@JNat yes

Q is question stat, A is for answers

JNat

I see

@Hakase So you're proposing a scenario in which the question raises a problem, and the solutions are posted as answers?

Hakase

I think tags don't necessarily mean that the question is recognized by the community as an existing, actual problem that could be improved

JNat

@Hakase Yeah yeah, I meant that for Q1 only

I'll get to Q2 in a bit, once you clarify what you meant

Hakase

16:48

I want to break apart regular votes into main important qualities of posts which users are actually looking for when looking at post scores

I mean what do you learn from total post score? And what do you really want to know about a post?

this is what I'm after with this

JNat

@Hakase In Meta, voting is supposed to denote whether or not you agree with what is being said

Tyhja

JNat

so if a post talks about a problem, you downvote if you don't think it is a problem

Hakase

but that is not everything that is important to know or say, is it?

JNat

@Hakase Of course not

Hakase

16:49

what if you think it's a real problem but the OP is going about it in a very bad way?

how do you vote?

most people would downvote but that doesn't mean the problem isn't real, BUT it gives such an impression, which is not something anybody wants

JNat

@Hakase You probably don't, and leave a comment or answer explaining what you disagree with

@Hakase Ah, I see what you mean here

ok

Hakase

I linked above some big meta posts where top folks including shog speak about the issue and how it's not easy to resolve

this is my take on it

JNat

@Hakase Basically what you want to get at, is a way for people to understand all of this clearly and fast without having to read through a lot of stuff, and for those who want to express that that's their point of view to be able to do so without having to type a whole lot. That it?

Hakase

yes

JNat

@Hakase Can you point me to some of those posts?

Hakase

16:52

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A: Can we talk about the voting culture here on Meta?

So I've been kinda chewing on this since your email, because... It's one of those simple questions that defies a simple answer. You're not the only person to raise this concern, of course: several respected users, moderators and even co-workers have expressed dismay upon seeing reasonable questio...

yea nobody got time to read that

basically you can see that the problem hasn't been solved yet if you look at any post with a large number of votes that doesn't say much about the actual opinion of the community

very high − it may be funny, it may be a "happy new thing" post, but what do people really think about it? you can only find in comments or answers

JNat

@Taisho undo

Hakase

I'd like to make it so that you don't have to skim anything

you know how some people write their post in a way that even if you skim the bold parts, you still don't know what the hell the poster wants to say

I think there should be a Clarity stat too for that :)

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discussion licensing feedback creative-commons

JNat

You seen this other one too, @Hakase?

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A: A Proposal for More Constructive Downvoting on Meta: Express Disagreement by Answering the Question

Introduction: the curse of free will This is a good idea... For those rare discussions that actually lend themselves to it. In my experience, many - if not most - do not. To pull this off, you have to be able to present a topic for discussion in a way that doesn't immediately come off as leading...

Hakase

a lot of comments on this post indicate that there is a problem with votes

JNat

@Hakase The problems mentioned there are mostly because of the fact that many users have 101 rep there 'cause of the association bonus and can thus upvote, but can't downvote

Hakase

16:59

@JNat excuse me but I think it's a write-off and not a very good solution. I'm talking about quickly understanding what is what in any meta post, not proposing that every user express their own detailed opinion in a separate answer.

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