Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Prix

19:00

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ walks like a unicorn, smells like a unicorn, what is that

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix what does a unicorn smell like?

apple farts?

user1306322

19:16

@Prix a jackal

Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ what does that smell like lol

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix something unpleasant

Sakamoto

0

Q: Can you manipulate someone with the death note, so that his person writes its own name in the death note?

If i would write: John Zeürtö kills himself by writing his name in the death note? (In this example, John also owns a death note)

Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ has been promoted to master of smells!

where is our maido-chan

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

!!maid

HoiHoi-san

19:20

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: maids

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

!!maids

HoiHoi-san

There are currently 3 maids in the Maid Café chat room: Me, Ruri and Taisho. I can search for things and play hangman in my room, Ruri can also play some games with you, and Taisho just posts pretty pictures.

Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ your maid has failed u

alright bbl can finally go home

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

►

Logan M

19:43

1

A: Improve question quality by informing users of reverse image search sites

We could add this to the sidebar help on /questions/ask, but first let's try something a bit more direct: This will appear any time someone uses the identification-request tag. It won't stop them from posting the question, but it should catch their attention - and it provides a direct link to ...

^hopefully this will lower the rate of trivial image ID requests

Eric

Uhhh

16

A: How can I identify an anime using Reverse Image Search?

Using Chrome for desktop Let's say you saw this image online and you want to identify the anime it's from. To do this, you'll have to: Right-click on the image. Click "Search Google for this image". and here it is: Using another desktop browser NOTE: If you are using Firefox,...

That first method is not a vanilla Chrome thing, as far as I can tell.

I definitely do not have that option on right-click.

Logan M

I'm not using chrome at the moment, but when I was it was definitely there

Eric

Oddly, does show up in the Chrome help docs. But I wonder how many people don't have it, like me.

(Using Chrome 36, btw.)

It is showing up in the mobile version, at least.

Logan M

What happens if you right click and press s?

user1306322

save probably

Eric

19:57

Yup.

Logan M

It should search

At least, it does for me right now

Eric

Actually, my mistake. Nothing happens.

user1306322

there's an extension for firefox

numerous even that add image search to right-click menu

Logan M

There's a chrome extension too, but I'm not sure why since it's already supposed to be there

user1306322

it must have been an extension that was included by default and now it's not

firefox disabled 3D DOM view in alpha builds

what gives

Logan M

20:00

Don't think so. The extension version has an icon next to the "Search Google for this Image"

user1306322

maybe it's for non-chrome browsers

Toshinou Kyouko

What is are you on

OS*

Eric

Me?

Toshinou Kyouko

Yup

Eric

Windows 8.1.

Toshinou Kyouko

20:03

Hmm, I have win7 and it works

Logan M

@user1306322 It's in the chrome web store: chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/search-by-image-by-google/…

Eric

I can check my Win7 computer later.

user1306322

(shrugs)

Logan M

If you open a private window does it still not work?

Toshinou Kyouko

Idunno

Eric

20:03

@LoganM Correct.

I'm wondering if it's a group policy enforced by work. But at the same time I doubt that.

Logan M

I don't think it's related to anything in the settings.

Prix

@ToshinouKyouko that was fast some shog9 already checked your thread ;) he is the responsible on making that happen

@Eric make it a community question and update it to fit generically to most of our ID types and make the question a summary?

Eric

@Prix Make what a community question?

Why it's not showing up?

Madara Uchiha

Hmm, no image in quite a while I see

Prix

I don't think 50 messages has passed

#wallpaper status

Karasu

20:11

@Prix Wallpaper module status: Enabled, time interval: 15 min., message interval: 50. Links unposted: 687, links posted: 725, Total: 1412. Waiting for 2 minutes to pass after the last message, for which the timer just got reset.

Prix

@Eric that image reverse meta

Madara Uchiha

@Karasu The latest Karasu image was 2 hours ago

Prix

@MadaraUchiha and how many messages?

Madara Uchiha

@Prix More than 50 I believe

2 hours ago, by Karasu

This is the latest

Logan M

He now has 3 timers. There's a 50 message counter and a 15 minute timer between successive image posts, but there's also a 2 minute interrupt timer. He won't post until the room has been idle for 2 minutes to avoid interrupting a conversation.

Madara Uchiha

20:14

Ah, I see

Planet Express Delivery

1

Q: Cartoon with girl on a wheelchair and a genie as helper against an evil entity

I remember watching a cartoon as a child, in the 80s or early 90s and I can't remember the title (or a lot of details about it). The setting reminds me of "Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water": we could be at the end of the 19th century, but my memory does not support me much in this. Anyways, the ...

story-identification magic cartoon

Prix

oh he implemented that

Karasu

Logan M

Seems to take somewhat longer than 2 minutes in reality, but it works at least.

While we're on the topic, is there any way to see chat timestamps including seconds? Clearly they store at least that because it can tell you that a message was e.g. "32 seconds ago". But AFAICT there's no easy way to see more precisely than minutes.

Prix

it stores up to seconds

Logan M

20:27

Where can you see that?

Prix

from the socket if you're running chrome you can view it on the developers tab

"time_stamp":1408393673

Logan M

Is there anywhere you can see it which is accessible directly from chat?

Planet Express Delivery

0

Q: Why Ryuk didn't dropped his own death note?

In Death Note, Why Ryuk used Sidoh's death-note rather then his own for dropping into human world?

plot-explanation anime death-note

Prix

why Movies & TV why

Logan M

I'm not on chrome and I'm too lazy to figure out what a socket is.

Prix

20:30

WebSocket

WebSocket is a protocol providing full-duplex communications channels over a single TCP connection. The WebSocket protocol was standardized by the IETF as RFC 6455 in 2011, and the WebSocket API in Web IDL is being standardized by the W3C. WebSocket is designed to be implemented in web browsers and web servers, but it can be used by any client or server application. The WebSocket Protocol is an independent TCP-based protocol. Its only relationship to HTTP is that its handshake is interpreted by HTTP servers as an Upgrade request. The WebSocket protocol makes possible more interaction between a...

Logan M

I understand all the words there with at most 2 letters. Above that comprehension drops fairly drastically.

user1306322

@LoganM gonna have to make an extension for that

@LoganM it's a very sophisticated internety thing, don't bother, I can't understand it too

Prix

same

user1306322

each chat message could be injected with its precise timestamp and be visible on hover, along with flag/star/reply buttons and the dotted border

Logan M

I'd really be fine if it was only visible in the history

user1306322

20:34

it's really simple, you just gotta google how to make extensions and how to inject more code into code

Jugem Jugem

3

Open Source Ecology

Proposed Q&A site for mechanics, engineers, programmers, and other innovators interested in contributing to the development of Open Source Ecology's Global Village Construction Set. We are creating an online design space where concepts can be collectively reviewed.

Currently in definition.

Logan M

Would it work for deleted messages?

(in rooms in which I'm an owner and can see deleted messages)

user1306322

messages have all data stored forever

Sakamoto

0

Q: Why did they change the lightning cutter's name to Chidori?

Initially they referred to Kakashi's move as lighting cutter (Raikiri), but then they stopped calling it that and called it Chidori from then on. Any specific reason for this? Seems really odd to change a moves name after establishing it as something else.

naruto

user1306322

you just need to view the debug output to see the full message

Planet Express Delivery

20:36

0

Q: Is Zellogi story got cut?

In Death Note, Zellogi made joke on Ryuk and told to other Shinigami that he will check on Ryuk but it never happened. Does his story got cut or it was deliberately left this way?

character anime cut death-note

Logan M

So even without privileges deleted messages are visible if you use this?

Or just their timestamps?

user1306322

post a message and delete it

wow that pinged me

Logan M

I edited it after it was deleted

to see if you can see the edit

user1306322

Logan M

So you can see the timestamp and edit count but not the content

user1306322

20:41

yup

Logan M

How do I interpret the 1408394281?

I guess it's something like the number of seconds since Jan 1st, 1970

user1306322

I have no idea, but it's probably something like that

Prix

@user1306322 @LoganM epochconverter.com

Logan M

If I assume that's what it is, it gives the right answer

Prix

@user1306322 :P taking hours to get things done he goes in and get the 2 features out in less than an hour

user1306322

20:49

das da pro at work

Prix

not to mention the vndb you had to use a tcp socket to get data from it -_-

user1306322

I also helped! by… not interrupting!

Prix

@user1306322 and we got that improvement thread taken care of

trying to get a good timing for the star thing

wish it had more up votes ;/

user1306322

lol me too

wonder what's up with that

seems to me more useful than mal onebox, but the scores say otherwise

Prix

yeah

hopefully Crave will reply to my email with who we need to talk to and we can get that sorted and include MAL

user1306322

20:54

or you could just… you know… do it anyway

Prix

I wanted to but their API isn't even working

user1306322

if you copypaste something from a MAL page, it inserts "Read more at MAL via this link <link>" which is already included

Prix

I mean their documentation doesn't reflect the API

user1306322

oh right

if you mean you need some tech guys over at MAL to code something, I wouldn't hope much for that

Prix

that only comes if you use a browser

if I were to scrap it for instance that would not come out as it seems to be some javascript interacting on copy

but if I need proxy for that then that did be a no no

Karasu

20:59

Logan M

@user1306322 So how do I access this?

Prix

crhome

right click page

inspect element

network tab

refresh the chat page

user1306322

in firefox, you gotta press ctrl+shift+i to open up inspector and I remembered you have IE…

Prix

check websocket

that image is from FF?

user1306322

yes!

Logan M

21:04

I'm trying on chrome right now. How do I check websocket?

user1306322

in either firefox or chrome find a "network" tab in developer's tools menu and refresh chat page

Logan M

Yes did that

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@LoganM Click Network, and to filter the traffic shown by the Dev Tools, click WebSockets (all the way on the bottom)

Logan M

not sure what to look for on that page

user1306322

click some treeview branches to see events

the request should be POST "events"

returning json

check out its response

it should be a treeview of json objects

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

21:07

Logan M

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ I don't have those tabs at the bottom

user1306322

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

that's a old chrome ver. click the filter icon to bring up the tabs

Logan M

Okay I think I got it

Now have to figure out how to do it in IE

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@LoganM what version?

9 has no support for it

Logan M

21:13

11

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@LoganM use F12 to bring up the Developer Tools

What you want might be under Network

you'll probably have to tell it to start listening before things will show up (hit the play button)

Prix

@user1306322 mmmm my firefox doesnt show websockets

user1306322

I'm using Aurora which is alpha build

Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ @MadaraUchiha @LoganM @user1306322 would it be possible to change the subject of the question meta.anime.stackexchange.com/questions/793/… to something more generic that can fit the proposed improvement at meta.anime.stackexchange.com/questions/1083/… ?

user1306322

y u ask me tho

Prix

21:28

So basically instead of just say "for image reverse search" more towards of question related to ID and at the question

we have a summary and the answers as how to do things

or something like that

@user1306322 opinion? pov?

user1306322

no idea, these things you should ask the other guys

Prix

I think the important names are pinged above

the update is already working

user1306322

well, I meant them, yes

Logan M

I think the most important thing is that people at least try some reverse image search.

Prix

what I mean is that we could improve that question as maybe a community question that would cover how to reverse search for an image along with how to post a question for identification request

which would pretty much entail our guideline for ID

9

A: What criteria should we use for QCing for ALL "identification-request" questions?

Taking cues from sites like TV & Movies.SE, Sci-Fi.SE, and Arqade, I've come up with the following guidelines: An identification-request should have as many of the following points as possible: Any description of the leading/recurring character(s) (i.e. physical description, behavior,...

Logan M

21:31

I don't think the guidelines work very well in the case of image ID requests

Prix

That warning message does not open just for image ID

it opens for identification-request

Logan M

I'd rather it just stay like this

The problem it's trying to correct isn't overall quality concerns with ID requests. It's people giving us ones which are too easy. They're pretty orthogonal.

Prix

I was thinking we could perhaps improve it a bit so it would prevent questions like:

-1

Q: Anime with a girl who has blonde hair and a red headband who says "I won't let you sleep tonight"

I saw this picture once, of a girl with blonde hair and a red hairband/headband. She also had blue eyes. She had a school uniform on, I believe it was pink. She was saying "I won't let you sleep tonight." And she had her hand on her chin. She was talking to a taller girl with purple or blue/black...

identification-request

since its a tag-wise warning

Logan M

That seems like a different problem, and once that we're already equipped to solve

Prix

I see both as connected issues, if some one is about to post a poor question but sees a warning where it says hey "you can post it like this, this and this" which will make your question more likely to get an answer or you could check this this and that to make sure nothing war found

we would avoid having poor quality ID and image ID or at least to some extent as there are always those who don't read it

Karasu

21:39

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

21:50

@Prix like what? "How do I use Reverse Image Search to find where a particular image came from?"

Prix

What should I know before posting a Identification Request question?

or something along those lines?

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix then we should me a a new meta for this

and link to the guidelines and reverse image search tutorial

Prix

why not just make that one a community wiki or something and update it with the informative points one should know about it?

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix we can do a general faq of how to use anime.se

we just need to outline what we need

I'll start a planning meta if we can figure out what items we want to include

Prix

well either way my point is that perhaps we could "group together" the essential information people posting ID questions need to know

Logan M

21:54

IMO it's a separate issue. This is a case of people not doing research because they aren't aware of how to do it. Low quality/undescriptive ID requests are more a problem with text-only requests.

Prix

which would essentially show up on that warning link

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

now are we doing a general faq for identification requests?

Prix

this is just me thinking to myself not sure if it would look good

but the question would keep a list of the answer with their title as simplified as possible

for example

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

it's not a bad idea per say since most ppl don't read the help center

Logan M

In any case, before getting rid of the current working version in favor of something overly generic, IMO we should at least test to see if this accomplishes its intended goals firlst.

Prix

21:57

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ Yes, exactly and the warning shows up generally for the identification-request and is already in place

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix what would you say are the intended goals?

Logan M

It isn't a warning so much as a notice.

Prix

I think at the very basic we want people to know that:

1) they need a minium amount of information provided and certain tidbits in a format

2) they can do some basic reverse image search before posting

Logan M

Why can't we just continue to moderate #1 with comments?

Prix

This is my personal opinion, I think that every time a new user comes here to post a ID question and gets shut down because of the information provide

Logan M

21:59

The problem is with #2. The questions aren't off-topic or disallowed in any way, but they also mostly could be answered without posting.

Prix

that in most cases make that user not want to come back or just throw away that site

if we have a simple yet complete warning that can fill him up of the basic he should know

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@LoganM I think we should only do to to reinforce things that have already been interated to them

Prix

he might post a more consistent answer and actually come back or stay within our network and become a potential user

Logan M

I don't think we need to tell people everything about ID requests before they even post one.

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

unfortunately I feel that 80% of id-reqs are throwaways

Prix

22:00

we aren't telling them everything we are telling them the essential needed to for it

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

even if they're answered

Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ and I think we could work that out

Logan M

In any case I like the current version, which is about teaching people how to do research. I don't like the idea of telling people policies before they ask a question.

Prix

if the decision is to actually keep ID

@LoganM you don't like telling them the policy before they commit a crime but like making then regret after they commit it, is pretty much the same context in this specific scenario

Logan M

@Prix No. Rather, I don't believe one should be forced to memorize every single law before one is allowed to go outside.

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

22:03

How about we put the reminder/notice thing to a vote? I agree that we shouldn't tell ppl what to do, but I do believe we should educate them on how they can go about doing it, to be more efficient

Prix

no one is telling you remember every single law but they do teach you to look both ways before crossing the street

Logan M

That information should be in the tour page and/or help center

Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ yes, what you have in mind?

@LoganM which less than 5% ~~no one~~ reads becoming rather pointless

Logan M

@Prix And no one will read this either unless it's concise and clear. Including a huge amount of irrelevant information for any one user is neither.

Prix

"unless it's concise and clear" that is exactly what we need

Logan M

22:05

Right now it is concise and clear

Prix

we don't want a wall of text and ...

Logan M

Precisely because it's focused on exactly one thing

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

hmmm...

Prix

we just want a rather direct warning they can read, digest and make use of

Logan M

@Prix No, we don't want a warning at all

Prix

22:06

we already have a warning

its been implemented a few minutes ago

Logan M

No, it's a notice, not a warning

Telling people every policy ever associated with ID requests is way too overbearing. Telling people how to solve their own questions without asking us every time is perfectly fine.

Prix

"warning"

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

how about this, I'll make a meta about this and you each present your points, we'll leave it out for about 2 months, the one that has at least 2 votes more prevails, if there is a tie, I'll arbitrate a compromise

Logan M

Not really in favor of debating this yet again on meta

IMO we already have this

Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ im not good with those sorry

Logan M

22:08

Let's stick with it rather than trashing it

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

we do, but I'd like this to be the end all be all

I don't like dragging this thing any further either

Logan M

At least until we have some data regarding it, debating it right now is just stupid

Prix

we are losing a lot to Movies & TV

Logan M

What are we losing?

Prix

I will be back after Ao Haru

Logan M

22:09

I don't think we're losing anything to them

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

I agree

Prix

you mean questions about anime that are being made there rather than here?

bbiaf

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

I think one of the reasons ppl go there instead of here is that the moderation team has done such a terrible job of outreach

or that ppl misunderstand the purpose of the site

Logan M

@Prix Not sure what you're talking about. This year they have 11 questions total tagged [anime]. We have something like 1500.

They're getting less than 1% of what we get.

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix most of them aren't very good and involve id-reqs

Logan M

22:13

I have a hard time being even remotely concerned about that.

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

right now since we don't have as many active users as I'd like, I don't think putting a notice will have that much of an impact, but I believe some helpful hint tool tips here and there and be helpful.

if we ever get more traffic and avid uses, it might be something to look into, due to the sheer volume of potential traffic coming in/out

Braiam

After reading some volumes of Get Backers, I suddenly want a Subaru 360...

that car is indestructible!

Logan M

22:28

#wallpaper status

@user1306322 :(

Braiam

#help

Logan M

#potato

Prix

@ton.yeung today was more of a drama feeling

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ that's up to you I just tough we could make it more friendly other than shutting the door on their face

@ton.yeung but if next ep she really does that it will be interesting triangle cut

Sakamoto

0

Q: Which of the Artificial Spirits creates the 4th Sakura Branch?

In Otome Yōkai Zakuro, when Zakuro, Susukihotaru, Bonbori and Hozuki enter a fight, the Artificial Spirits Mamezo, Sakura and Kiri pull out sakura branches to give to the girls. Susukihotaru, Bonbori and Hozuki just produce more sakura petals while Zakuro's turns into a knife. However there's on...

otome-yokai-zakuro

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix let me think about this and discuss this with the other blue hat

Prix

22:35

@ton.yeung ofc I said it in a way you would have to watch to understand that

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ :)

#post

karasu powah crash?

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

22:56

@Prix karasu kurashu

Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ karasu no yūrei sore

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

23:13

@Prix ?

Prix

??? machigatta?

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix machigatte iru

Prix

doko?

@ton.yeung I've been saying it looks more of a romance/comedy

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix sore de

Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ nande?

@ton.yeung I hope dun like triangle either

but doubt

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

23:26

@Prix どういうこと?

Prix

<<< can't read kanji and the such

wrong room

translate: どういうこと?

Feeds

Does it mean?

Prix

not making much sense I asked why he asks does it mean?

im about to

just finishing reading a book

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix I asked what do you mean

@ton youtube.com/watch?v=PCgYUKPNCug

Prix

you said I was wrong I wanted to know why

27 mins ago, by Prix

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ karasu no yūrei sore

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

23:29

@Prix I said you made a mistake

Prix

which was?

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix sore

Prix

chigau?

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix poorly formed sentence

Logan M

Regarding the idea of extending the notice on [tag:identification-request]s to cover low-quality text-based ID requests, I decided to write the skeleton of an answer in case it does get posted to meta. I'll leave it here for now in the absence of a meta post, but if someone does make one I'll edit this into a more complete answer.

---

For low quality ID requests, the problem is fixable via edits. Whether or not the user does so is a question of laziness, but for the most part someone who puts in the effort and knows at least a little bit about the series is capable of asking a good questi…

Prix

23:31

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ nothing much I can do about that :/ even tough I wish

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix there is, but you probably have better things to do

Prix

If I had 1 hour to spare everyday and the money I would be paying for classes as I really want to learn Japanese but I get home fucked up and just want to drink have fun and drop dead not to mention I have very screwed up shift schedule and most places that teach Japanese here on have avg hours

Logan M

If you just spend 1 hour per day, it will take a long time to make much progress IMO.

Prix

in fact the town I live only have 1 school that teach Japanese

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Prix you can self study online with ppl

and then be able to read mangos raw and watch animus raw

Braiam

23:43

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ because everyone likes it raw

Prix

@Braiam they are just impatient to wait!lol

@ɹǝzɐɹʞ like where?

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

http://www.realkana.com/ (katakana and hiragana)
http://nig.gr/15e (vocab and grammar)
http://www.memrise.com/language/eng/jpn/ (Remembering Kanji, vocab, etc.)
http://kanji.koohii.com/ (Remebering the Kanji)
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar (help with grammar)
http://gakuu.com/resources/ (everything, plus links to other sites)
http://ankisrs.net/ (anki download)

Anki Decks: Core6k, Heisigs Remember the Kanji, Japanese Kana

hiraganaposter.com

katakanaposter.com

tangorin.com

for conversations, try conversationexchange.com, language-exchanges.org/content/welcome, or sharedtalk.com

^ @Eri

Eric

:O

ɹǝzɐɹʞ

@Braiam we know you do

Braiam