monero, and zcash (zero knowledge proof).

But they have been broken and criticism before

it might take a long time to solve all problem

yeah i dealt with zcash before

and real usage?

didn't use any coins for any practical reasons

made a donation or two, that's all

and I have like 2$ worth of BTC :p

ya

good to play

haha

heh, kinda

it's kinda fun to deal with but I feel like it's too risky to invest a large sum in

ya, it is like a religion. If everyone else loss the interest, it will have no value

but how probable is that?

reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7e87kc/…

It is possible for any single cryptocurrency, but the general cryptocurrency will always be here

there are no way you can destroy the idea and development

Also, the mining part is crazy. There are simply no way to stop it.

huh

I thought it stops automatically over time

well

most coins have a hardcoded limit

something about difficulty increase in steps and at some point it's not going to be profitable to mine

it's already not profitable to mine btc

The mining is the just processing transactions, plus rewards

People will pay the fee for the system to run

This game cannot be stopped.

It is just like opening a pandora box that cannot be closed

[save and exit]

to be fair

I can't see any cryptos taking over global economy anytime soon

Even you can kill all crytocurrency in the wolrd, people will start a new one

not yet but if some big country falls, it could

not all coins can handle all that traffic

hell, not most can handle it

if any

but I think it's more probable that some rogue AI bullshit will happen and all computers will become useless forever

The traffic is the exact, and most important problem that need to be solved

I think the central idea of the crytocurrency is to fully automate the financial system

So it is one kind of automation process we have seen in other industry

what do you mean

what's there to automate

well

banking system does rely on humans a lot

oh yea

I just don't spend much so I forgot :p

e.g. Smart contract is a contract that can be automatically executed when certain condition is met. So there is no need for human to execute contract

you can't even send money to people who don't use your bank after working hours

it's so dum

whaaat

@unsym yeah, but you can't get smart contracts trustless

but what about sending to another card number via banking app?

@Hakase again, same.

WAT

You need to trust the contract writer (i.e. programmer) , or you have to read code yourself

EFT doesn't work between ~6pm and ~8am

@unsym thing is

what do they manually approve all operations??

like

let's say that you're paying salaries with smart contracts

how will the code check that that employee is actually working

(or if they're alive at all)

someone (a human) needs to assess that employee and that defeats the trustlessness

#tags

to be fair

@Avery Usually you cannot , and need some human monitor.

That can be monitored by a camera automatically though, I am not sure if it is what we want

well

that checks if they're at their place

maybe they're doing bad work

writing malicious code

again, needs human assessment

we're much much more likely to achieve a moneyless society than one that uses cryptocoins tbh

or browsing imgur ugh

how would you control people who take 99999999999999 rolls of toilet paper from the public reserve without money tho?

It is better if use it to exchange a physical product, such as a car. The car can have a system that identify the ownership. You can buy it without any middleman, and you can pay monthly.

and I'm not just saying that because I'm leaning towards socialism, I'm saying that because cryptocoins have tons of problems and the simplest way to fix it is centralization. the easiest way to destroy the centralization is to destroy money itself~

@unsym well

(cars are about to become fully automated in a decade so I wouldn't use cars in any metaphor :p)

can the blockchains handle allllllllll the economics running in many, many computers in a distributed manner?

@Avery not yet for sure. It is to be solved

but centralization have problem, so it a problem worth to be explored

as I said

I don't get the bit about centralization

thing is

And there seems to be solution that can be decentralized but not based on blockchain, at least theoretically.

@Hakase centralization can be a problem, for example, a server down, then you cannot do anything

the way banks work rn is like raid0, they can buy more hardware and get faster. However, cryptocoins are like raid1, they can buy more hardware and only get more secure, for example against tampering.

It is just like when facebook down, a lot of people getting depressed.

I'm mostly talking about btc here

the crypto I know the most about is that

@unsym oh I thought you meant like centralized legally, but decentralized physically with backup copies everywhere

I didn't mean 1 copy in 1 place

I don't think even banks today have that system

eh, it took my father approximately no time to get used to see me walking around the house wearing a skirt shorter than I thought it would be x)

that'd be extra dumb

I love my father :3

I like wearing nothing at home

@Morwenn he sounds like a cool guy

I love NOTHING >.<

@Avery With centralization, you can change everything as you want, like printing money. That is not most people like, but only accepted. Such thing cannot happen with decentralization, except you can persuade everyone to do the same thing (which is very hard). IT is already different fundamentally.

@Hakase how do you not freeze

ah

we got central heating for days

ah nice

I heard most countries don't have heating at homes which is just inhumane conditions for me

like you have to turn on your own electric heaters and it costs a fuckton of money per month

well

@Avery let's say that my parents have never been close to LGBT+ people, but have values, so they accept first even if they don't understand, then slowly grow to understand & accept more

we do have radiators and such

@Morwenn I still need to come out to mom and I still have no idea how to do it :p

@Avery but heat insulation here isn't so great so I usually do open electric heaters

we (their children) were raised with these values, but it probably feels less artificial for us than it did for them

esp. when sleeping.

when our municipal services don't turn on the heat when it gets cold, we have to use our own heaters for a couple weeks and even if you run them for the entire month, the price of electricity isn't that high compared to most european rates

@Avery can't help you with that; I've never really "came out" :/

I just casually mention to people that I take hormones

I mean I am pretty sure she dug through my stuff

and I'm pretty sure she saw my hormone stash and my hidden wardrobe

plus I was always more or less giving pansexual vibes even though I've always been single

always ready to casually defend LGBT people if people ask for my opinion :p

@Avery I've never seen your hidden wardrobe :o

yeah remind me to take some pics on uh

friday

haha maybe she thinks you have a fetish and those pills she looked up and they're not in the "dangerous drugz" section so the didn't say anything

idk maybe you don't need to tell her anything

@Hakase well if she dug through my room she'd find out more about me in that way I suppose

also I'm kinda confused why your parents are allowed into your room without your oversight

@Avery So if you wear like a girl, what did she say?

don't you have a lock or something

or like basic expectations of privacy

@Hakase eh, I'd rather not have her call me by the name I was given at birth or call me "son"

@Hakase I don't allow her.

She gets in anyways.

@Avery take some pics on Friday :D

She's an asshole.

well, the best way to not allow is physical blockage, like a door lock :p

well

they're pretty cheap and easy to install, maybe get one

she thought about that obviously

because she's using my wardrobe as a stash for toilet paper and such [which is why I have a secret wardrobe]

so she DOES need to get in sometimes

wat

smartass

move all that stuff out of your room

^ apparently happens in Doki-Doki Literature Club

there's gotta be that wall closet behind the toilet

look I don't want to mess with her

alright

she's scary when you mess with her

Aren't all mothers?

well idk the entire situation so maybe not

no, not all mothers

@TimE.Lord nope

When you mess with them

well I guess

eeeh

I observed they just have different thresholds for "messing"

well yes

what is the purpose of stacking toilet paper in your wardrobe?

maybe look up some sad drama movies, there are definitely poor women being abused and messed with who won't do anything coz they are powerless (but that's another topic)

and I suppose different ways of responding after the threshold

@unsym to retain the right of visiting the room "coz there's toilet paper in there"

haha, that is a really good reason

parents!

@unsym well, her thing is, my room is right next to the bathroom. And her room is right next to mine, but my wardrobe is bigger so she just throws everything in there

you could swap rooms :p

^ this

the only room with RJ11 in this floor is this room

so it's the only room I can install router in

so it's the only room I can have direct ethernet access in

wifi connection didn't seem to introduce any noticeable ping to my fps games before

I don't game

but wifi is terrible for some reason

get a 30m lan wire

I don't either these days

on ethernet I get 24mbps

on wifi I get 11

huh

maybe it's some bad old b/g type modem?

@unsym not our house, can't damage anywhere (aka can't do cable management for that cable)

maybe the antenna is broken

@Hakase nope, it's new

antenna is fine

my pc's stuff might be terrible though

maybe the wifi module is bad?

The walls in my apartment are surprisingly thin when it comes to heat and sound insulation, but are surprisingly thick when it comes to WiFi signal

there is something like power socket wifi relay

I've used a usb wifi module for desktop bought in 2012 and it didn't drop my 100mbps speed

@unsym that's unusual and you have to have no interference from compact fluorescent or luminescent lamps or LED power supplies on the connected wiring

amazon.com/Netgear-85Mbps-Powerline-Network-Adapter/dp/…

so with a high limit like that it's probably viable

No sure, but I cannot understand why flurescent or lamps can interfere. It is supposed to use very different frequency range.

I see quite a lot of good results

they just cause general modulation noise

It however, does rely on your power layout behind your wall.

it's never good for the signal

you mean it use amplitude modulation?

um-hmm :I

halogen lamps also have their power supplies fuck with TVs on FM frequencies

I think you can latch on some ferrite rings but I haven't been able to find them in stores

ah, i know what you are talking now

I just know that if the channels 1 and 2 are fucky at my parents house, we gotta turn off the stove light in the kitchen

So I decided to check in on what's going with Fairy Tail.

... did they cancel it and start releasing a different manga under the same name?

@Yuuki yeh apparently it ended July this year

the other Manga, Fairy Tail Zero, also ended from what i see on wikipedia

@Memor-X Oh, it ended? I was just reading synopses on the newest arcs.

> Fairy Tail Creator Hiro Mashima Celebrates Manga's End animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-07-27/…

And I have no clue what's going on.

@Taisho nom dat cheek

Are you sure they didn't just axe it sometime after the time skip and start releasing a completely different manga also named Fairy Tail?

Fairy Tail
Written by		Hiro Mashima
Published by		Kodansha
Demographic		Shōnen
Magazine		Weekly Shōnen Magazine
Original run		August 2, 2006 – July 26, 2017
Volumes			63 (List of volumes)

Fairy Tail Zero
Written by		Hiro Mashima
Published by		Kodansha
Demographic		Shōnen
Magazine		Monthly Fairy Tail
Original run		July 17, 2014 – July 17, 2015
Volumes		1 (List of volumes)

weird

I feel like my joke has been slightly undercut by the fact that Fairy Tail is actually completed/finished.

oh I didn't realize you made a joke somewhere

in this day and age anything is possible so

Well, I was kinda joking about how I'm completely lost reading synopses of the newest chapters, to where it feels like Fairy Tail is a completely different manga.

@Yuuki are you're talking about Fairy Tail 2014? because that was just the anime

(confision delusion)

No, I'm talking about the newest chapters of the manga.

I read a few synopses on a lark to see what I've missed. Conclusion: what the hell is going on?

I don't read/watch/know fairy tail so idk

I mean, it seems like you know just about as much as me.

In that we both have no clue.

alright

I heard made in abyss is pretty interesting

OH FUCK NOOO

spoilers

don't google anything about it

don't look at pictures

probably just watch it

looks like something incredible

wow

I'm gonna download it right now

see ya in one episode's duration

things happened and I went to make tea and shower instead

with all the bad meme subs filtered this is what my forntpage looks like

well how about no?

ugh!

(mad)

@Hakase FCC Announced Plan to Repeal Net Neutrality.....several months ago

this is just the second vote which in all honestly, the FCC isn't going to listen to anyone

after they cleaned up all the bot "against Net Neutrality" feedback messaged and saw the overwhelming support for Net Neutrality they still wanted to repeal it

and the guy who wants to repeal it (think he's the head of the FCC) continue to deny evidence about ISPs throttling speeds before Net Neutrality because and says Net Neutrality is stifling growth and competition.....which in my opinion is shit because what factors do you use top decide an ISP? from my understanding all of them have nothing to do with Net Neutrality

oh man if you scroll through reddit, every 8th or so post is that red URGENT

they really started something there today

fcc said many times they don't care about public votes

nobody can legally prevent them from going against the overwhelming public opinion

they're the ultimate authority on these matters

@Hakase well, actually they said they did care but showed they don't bu ignoring them

if they didn't they wouldn't have asked for feedback in the first place

so I guess the goal here is not to get everyone to write to anyone, but to raise awareness that this is happening and who is the cause of this

well, saying and actually reacting is…

EA said they'll remove loot crates "until a later date"

this is all a pr stunt

to calm down those who don't care enough or don't pay attention to the wording

it's worked so far for both FCC and EA

i find it funny that apparently Australia's internet is shit (i don't really have a problem when the internet is working properly) and the US's is far superior. well we'll see what you're paying extra ontop of your internet plan to access streaming sites

damn what if they launched a FCC = EA campaign to double the hate :p

recently I read somewhere in context of the upcoming new FLCL seasons "what if the genders were reversed?"