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Eliah Kagan

07:15

I'm kidding about VBA, as you might have guessed. It's a somewhat reasonable language to do this in if you're already working in Microsoft Office (or some other application that embeds VBA), but not otherwise. If you had posted the question on Super User, then I think a VBA answer would be appropriate.

Zanna

07:26

oh :)

4 hours later…

Zanna

11:55

I just did a regular package upgrade and libwayland- package got upgraded... does this mean I am using Wayland? I didn't even know that O.O

Byte Commander

it got upgraded

that means it was there before as well

so... nothing to worry, I guess

16.04 uses X by default, but seems to support wayland already

Zanna

@ByteCommander That's what I mean!

@ByteCommander this is 17.10, but Ubuntu MATE

nothing has gone wrong, so I assumed it was not Wayland XD

Byte Commander

hmm, dunno

17.10 standard Ubuntu uses Wayland by default

Zanna

yeah... I... should have read the release notes for MATE haha

@ByteCommander I think we have a question that explains how to tell... right?

Byte Commander

Probably

I'd try pgrep Xorg

that returns a PID on my 16.04

so Xorg runs

Zanna

12:00

yes, I get a PID for that

good call... hm.

So I guess it's not using Wayland right now. Wonder why I have those packages. Maybe Wayland is installed, but something detects that it will not work on my device, so it starts Xorg instead

Eliah Kagan

Do you have all the Wayland packages installed that a system that actually used it would need?

Zanna

$ dpkg -l | grep [Ww]ayland
ii  kwayland-data                         4:5.38.0-0ubuntu1               all          Qt library wrapper for Wayland libraries - data files
ii  kwayland-integration:amd64            4:5.10.5-0ubuntu1               amd64        kwayland runtime integration plugins
ii  libkf5waylandclient5:amd64            4:5.38.0-0ubuntu1               amd64        Qt library wrapper for Wayland libraries
ii  libqt5waylandclient5:amd64            5.9.1-2                         amd64        QtWayland client library

Byte Commander

I only have the libwaylands

because libgtk-3-0 and libwebkit2gtk-... depend on it

Eliah Kagan

If you simulate their removal, do you find that packages you may have installed would be removed? For example, I have some Wayland-related packages on my Lubuntu 16.04 LTS system that seem to have been installed to satisfy dependencies of libgtk-3-dev.

@ByteCommander ^^^ Yeah, that.

Byte Commander

/shrug

Eliah Kagan

12:09

@Zanna So what happens when you simulate the removal of packages like kwayland-data? What else would be removed?

apt -s remove kwayland-data

Zanna

I ran sudo apt remove .*wayland.* -s

truly, the output was terrible

it was a bit like reading Revelations (the last bit of the Bible where the world ends in a right mess)

Eliah Kagan

Hopefully you didn't have too many Wayland-related files in your current directory when you ran that command. :)

Zanna

zanna, quote your regex, please

@EliahKagan not much

$ sudo apt remove -s kwayland-data
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
  libkf5idletime5
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove it.
The following packages will be REMOVED
  kwayland-data kwayland-integration libkf5waylandclient5
0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 3 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
Remv kwayland-integration [4:5.10.5-0ubuntu1]
Remv libkf5waylandclient5 [4:5.38.0-0ubuntu1]

Eliah Kagan

Hmm. How about:

aptitude why kwayland-data

That might be able to tell you better, because sometimes a package is installed to satisfy a weaker kind of dependency -- like a Recommends dependency rather than a Depends or PreDepends -- and then removing it wouldn't remove whatever pulled it in.

Zanna

12:25

sorry, I was unexpectedly called afk....

$ aptitude why kwayland-data
i   konsole              Depends    libkf5windowsystem5 (>= 4.96.0)
i A libkf5windowsystem5  Recommends kwayland-integration
i A kwayland-integration Depends    libkf5waylandclient5 (>= 4:5.27.0+p16.10+git20161029.2052)
i A libkf5waylandclient5 Depends    kwayland-data (= 4:5.38.0-0ubuntu1)

ah it's clear. konsole is the culprit :)

Eliah Kagan

Cool. You should ask and self-answer a question about this!

Sorry, that was not very persuasive (or polite) of me...

...Do you want to write an answer (to a question that you would also write)?

Zanna

haha sure :D

Eliah Kagan

Cool thanks!

If you happen to want to link to any messages, I think you can do so even before they're moved to the island.

Zanna

haha yes, I think message links are totally room-independent. Sorry for starting an off-topic conversation

Eliah Kagan

Starting an off-topic conversation need never be apologized for.

Either that or I have a lot of apologizing to do. We might have to make another room just to move my apologies to.

Seriously though, that's what the island is for -- it can accommodate these messages. I will make sure to move these silly messages about not needing to apologize to the island, too. :)

(Unless you'd prefer I not move any messages and would rather move them yourself.)

Zanna

12:36

hahaha feel free to move them. If you don't feel like moving them I will move them (unless you feel they shouldn't be moved at all!)

@EliahKagan hahaha agreed, strongly

Eliah Kagan

It's no problem. I'll move them soon, probably in the next few minutes.

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Byte Commander

I hath been invited?

Eliah Kagan

You have!