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00:04
@Simply @quid, @ all ... Election winding down to 19 hours.... tick-tock, tick-tock....
@amWhy isn't it more 20 minus epsilon ;-)
I know what you mean though, the counter switched;
@quid :)
I wonder if there'll be a late activity of voting.
Anyway by know 2k votes have well been passed.
@quid There's always the procrastinator ;)
Yes, some familiar faces just voted recently. Including two mods.
I wonder if there is/was a second ping at some point for those that did not yet vote.
00:13
@quid That's a good question.
 
9 hours later…
08:54
This was discussed in 2014, partially related also to election: How can we increase user involvement on this meta site?
This was comment related to the homework tag:
> I'm a regular user on the main site and have been for the last two year. Despite this, I had no idea that this discussion was taking place.
> I would say that the reality is that many of the users on the main site have no idea that meta exists, nor what it does. It can be argued that those that don't vote shouldn't complain about the results of an election. I would say that the majority of those that don't vote, don't know that there is anything to vote about.
This was mentioned in an answer (by the user with many names):
> Moderators are elected on such figures (in the latest elections, 86 votes sufficed), with no questions asked.
I suppose that this is reality of this site. And that the page will work well if most people are mostly devoted to the main site and only a fraction is interested in meta, elections, site maintenance, etc.
Still, it is interesting to see this discussion from a few years ago.
BTW do we have some numbers about number of users that voted in past election? And also some relative numbers (compared to total users or active users at the time)?
I mean I know that I could go through each election post and find numbers.
For example, in 2014 Election Results: Congratulations to the new moderators! I can get to this link and see that in 2014 there were 1425 voters.
Aren't the numbers summarized somewhere, so that I do not have to go through the past election one by one if I am interested in those stats?
I have searched a bit on meta. I found this post which has some stats on the 2014 election: Where do the (many) voters in the 2014 community moderator election come from?
But I did not find a post comparing turnout in between elections.
 
5 hours later…
14:18
@MartinSleziak I am not aware of a synthetic post but the data is readily available in the banner on the old election pages https://math.stackexchange.com/election/X where X is the number of the election. (But those are not very visible I think.) If you ask the question on meta, I'll answer it, no problem. (Only I'd prefer slightly if you wait until after this election finished. It may also come more natural like "How does this elections turnout compare to earlier ones" or some such thing.)
Thanks for the reply.
I assume that total numbers of voters can be find this way. (Although as you can see above I only checked the last election.)
I wonder what would be right number to compare to if we want some kind of relative numbers (voters turnout).
Users which made at least one post in the last year before election? Or last month before election? What is a reasonable way to estimate active users? (If we want to find out what percentage of users actually voted.)
@MartinSleziak it says "11,408 voters were eligible, 3,951 visited the site during the election, 3,731 visited the election page, and 1,425 voted"
From the query used in the post linked above, it seems that when somebody tried to find out something about voters, they used Constituent badge.
@quid Yes, but eligible voters probably include many users which are no longer active and haven't visited site in years.
So maybe if we want number to be at least a bit realistic, we should somehow restrict eligible users to users that were still active (for reasonable definition of active).
I guess part of the problem is to choose reasonable criteria. And another part is to find the numbers (probably using SEDE).
@MartinSleziak that's true, I assume. One could check against the number of "Yearling" badges.
Yearling is awarded also to inactive users. (For example, if I was active for one year and earned 1000 points, I will eventually get 5 yearling badges.)
IIRC yearling has 200 rep. points as a condition.
14:28
@MartinSleziak are you sure about that?
Sorry I have to go now. I'll check back later.
For example, Arthuro Magidin got several yearling badges after he left site.
@MartinSleziak yes, but he got it due to upvotes in that year.
Yes, pretty sure. See the example above.
Not for old reputation.
Ok, so I have to look for a better example; but still even if I am wrong and the reputation was given in that year, the user was no longer active on the site.
See you later!
14:31
True. But on the other hand it does not count users only active since a 9 months.
This should kind of even out.
really leaving now.
See you later.
According to Jeff Atwood's answer: "You'll get the yearling badge as long as you have at least (Years * 200) rep by the target date. We don't actually test that you got the reputation within the specified year."
The post is rather old, but when I look at this post, it seems to contain basically the same thing: List of all badges with full descriptions.
15:32
@MartinSleziak I read this differently than you seem to be interpreting (the link you provide). I don't think it says the same thing.
The second link says: "Have a reputation of at least (number of years since registration) × 200 + 1 (starting reputation)"
Perhaps you mean that it is slightly more nuanced, as explained there: "So half way through year 3 (i.e., after 2.5 years), you’d need 2.5 × 200 = 500 reputation to qualify for the second yearling badge."
In any case, my main point was that to get yearling badge it does matter whether the reputation was actually earned during the last year.
@MartinSleziak I suppose I misunderstood you earlier then. I agree with that point.
@MartinSleziak It seems that actually one gets the minimum of "complete years" and "floor of (reputation-1)/200", see e.g. this user, this or this one.
15:49
In any case, yearling badge is probably not exactly reliable indicator whether the user was active on the site during the last year. (Which is how the whole thing started.)
That it isn't, indeed.
16:46
tick-tock... tick-tock... 3.25 hours to go... tick-tock ...
17:01
@MartinSleziak I agree that if it works this way, which apparently it does (contrary to what I thought), it's not a reasonable measure.
I am a bit disappointed this badge works that way, the other way would seem more interesting and natural to me.
Anyway, thanks for informing me about this matter.
17:17
G'day @BrevanEllefsen @Did
@SimplyBeautifulArt G'day to you too
It's a bit astonishing that the time in the banner has no mouse-over tool-tip contrary to most any timestamp on the site.
Is this the same for others?
@quid Where do you notice that? I'm not sure if you're referring to the top bar, or what?
(Note, that's probably me being rather dense at the moment!).
17:35
@amWhy I was referring to the election page. Where above the candidates there is a banner saying election closes in 2 hours. The 2 hours has no tooltip. (Contrary to for example the "election ends in 2 hours" in the box on the right.)
17:54
@quid on the right hand side, When I hover below the "Election ends in" in "two hours"' it reveals:@ 22:00.
But that's probably what you had just noted before I commented.
For me too. But the one in the banner doesn't, which is surprsing.
Got to got. See you!
@quid I see now what you mean! Hmmm. It is surprising.
 
1 hour later…
19:09
ooooh... we've reached the minutes count-down! 52 minutes (by now probably 51 minutes)...
When will the results be out?
Just after the election closes?
Or a few hours/ maybe a few days after?
Just after. Maybe a minute or two. Asaf is quick.
Last election, he posted the results 1 minute 19 seconds after the election ended.
@DanielFischer "Asaf is quick. Last election, he posted the results 1 minute 19 seconds after the election ended." Does this means that it is Asaf Kargila who totalizing the votes?
@Surb No, but the ballot file is automatically published right after the election ends, and Asaf is so quick downloading it, running STV and making the post that he beats the employee who would otherwise post the announcement.
19:24
@DanielFischer ok :). Surprisingly, I'm not surprised.
19:47
Election ends in 11 minutes, results in by 13 minutes. (I'm cutting Asaf a little slack in this election).
Aww, you guys...
2
3 minutes to go.. No one votes in the last 3 minutes... I guess
@SchrodingersCat well there are always the last minute voters!
20 secs
@SchrodingersCat So they might as well end the election 3 minutes earlier
DONE.
Mic drop.
3
20:01
25 seconds, you're getting better at this :)
Where where where!?
Congrats... quid and Jack D Aurizio...
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Would be nice if we could know who is leaving the mod team now
20:20
@SchrodingersCat I'll second that!
Likewise!
 
1 hour later…
21:42
@quid @JackD'Aurizio Congrats to the both of you!
@SchrodingersCat Have no regrets! =) You did well in my opinion.
@SimplyBeautifulArt damn, you're third
I guess next election will be the one for you
Thank you all for the wishes. @SimplyBeautifulArt @SchrodingersCat @BjørnKjos-Hanssen
@quid You deserved to be, and are now, a mod on this site, @quid!
@amWhy I'll try my best not to disappoint. And thanks again for the early encouragement @amWhy
21:58
@quid Just be yourself and do what you've always done, more or less, and you won't disappoint!
22:11
@GabrielRomon tbh, third feels good for me.
Interesting. Less than 500 users used all 3 choices.
22:27
@SimplyBeautifulArt Really? Wow... that's interesting.
I used [ctrl] + f and searched for the number 3, which came up with 501 instances, some of which are not involved in the choices cast (e.g. ballot number)
22:48
@SimplyBeautifulArt: Your search must have not covered all the ballots. I count 1865 ballots with 3 votes (counted by searching for "3 ", where the space occurs only after instances of "3" that are votes).
22:59
@EricWofsey Oh, perhaps. I can't claim whether or not my search will keep running past 500 or so.
23:23
@EricWofsey @SimplyBeautifulArt The right way to do it is grep -c "3</div" on the html file. Also, this.
Now, I guess it's time to crawl back under my blanket and sleep.
@AsafKaragila Haha, thanks
@quid pitty.

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