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00:53

@JoeW I wouldn't have suggested an edit like this, wouldn't have approved thus.

Keilar questions GOP lawmaker on House speaker strategy

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Joe W

It was an edit done by a user with edit privileges

User1865345

I see. IMO, it seems it is a minor edit. Anyone seeing the former phrase won't get any ambivalent interpretation for it to be cleared by the latter phrase. One can certainly edit that. But to me, it seems frivolous.

Joe W

I would think it would be 45% favor or 45 points in favor

User1865345

However if it is coupled with a substantial edit, then I have no problem. That is what I follow back in CV. I won't edit simply to change a phrase, a mathematical expression, layout etc.

Joe W

That was the entirety of the edit done by the OP

User1865345

01:01

@JoeW I have problems with neither. Anyone can understand what the former meant.

Joe W

Right, was just commenting on the mixing of percentage and points

User1865345

Meanwhile in House GOP circus, every possible candidate seems to cajole their dear leader Trump who rather bluntly stated no one but Jesus can win 217 votes.

Joe W

Jim Jordan Cold Open - SNL

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Sadly I think there are some that don't mind this because it will end up with a government shutdown

Makes me wonder if it will end up with people supporting Jeffries to get it ended

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@JoeW James Austin does a brilliant impression. Overall not a bad cold open.

@JoeW They are now openly criticizing Minority leader McConnell's possible nod on combining Ukraine, Israel aid. Seems to have no connection with Senate GOP.

Nicolle: It's a 'Pu Pu Platter' of crimes and criming

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Joe W

01:23

I saw talk of what the Georgia AG has if she is giving out plea deals with no prison time

User1865345

01:35

Wow

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02:35

'Coup dominos falling': Trump prison odds increase as two lawyers flip

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User1865345

12:26

Hear what Trump said about top Republican who wants to be speaker

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13:06

Academic Journal Editor Says He Was Fired for Sharing Onion Article on Gaza

> “The Onion speaks with more courage, insight and moral clarity than the leaders of every academic institution put together,” Eisen commented, adding that he wished there was an Onion university.

Pakistan: Nawaz Sharif will be the face without power. He returns to Pakistan with limited space to play

House Republicans Swear They’ll Find Their Speaker This Time

Trump, Cohen stand to come face-to-face at New York fraud trial

Trump attorneys make new push to dismiss federal election subversion case

User1865345

13:24

‘5 Families’ and Factions Within Factions: Why the House G.O.P. Can’t Unite

> Republicans have made no secret of their divisions. They openly refer to their various factions as The Five Families — a reference to warring Mafia crime families. They consist of the right-wing House Freedom Caucus, the conservative Republican Study Committee, the business-minded Main Street Caucus, the mainstream Republican Governance Group and the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus.

> There are factions within the factions. A hard-right group calling itself The 20 includes many members of the Freedom Caucus, but some lawmakers who are not. Some members are loyal to others from their home states; some to their committee chairs. There are wild cards who are members of no ideological caucus. There are personal vendettas that have nothing to do with ideology.

Revealed: Republican debate broadcast partner fueled by misogyny and extremism

> The Guardian’s survey of Rumble revealed dozens of accounts posting content including Holocaust denial, pro-Nazi and pro-Hitler advocacy, white nationalism, and content from banned creators such as the white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

> The top channels on Rumble are dominated by the leading lights of the Magaverse: according to RumbleStats, Turning Point USA president Charlie Kirk is No 9 with 1.29 million followers; Donald Trump Jr, at No 8 with 1.26 million, is once again overshadowed by his father, whose channel is at No 2 with 2.06 million followers.

At the top of the tree is the conservative broadcaster and Rumble investor Dan Bongino, with 2.79 million followers. Bongino is also a significant investor in Rumble, along with fellow conservative broadcaster Dave Rubin, and Narya Capital, whose partners include the r…

Far right haven, that is.

Joe W

Former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis reaches plea deal in Georgia election interference case

That is #4 who have taken a plea deal so far and will testify against the rest

bet the rest are going to start to scramble to get a plea deal in now so they don't get left out when the AG doesn't need any more deals.

User1865345

13:46

@JoeW how many are left apart from Trump?

Joe W

12? I think it was 16 + trump

User1865345

Fani Willis is on fire.

Late night Truth Social posts would be rambling on how Trump doesn't know who Jenna is.

More flipping is on cards.

Republicans try to block aid to Gaza — and give it to Israel

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14:52

> ROUND 1 vote tallies, per Rep. Clyde

Emmer: 78
Johnson: 34
Donalds: 29
Hern: 27
Scott: 18
Bergman: 16
Sessions: 8

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15:33

Four candidates left

> Byron Donalds (FL)
Tom Emmer (MN)
Kevin Hern (OK)
Mike Johnson (LA)

Emmer is leading.

Freiheit

15:56

Howdy - I saw a news blurb that someone (Rep Clyde?) proposed making the Speaker vote a plurality instead of a majority. This would force the GOP to vote for one candidate, else they'd hand the speakership to Jeffries.

What would have to happen first to make that rule change? Can someone put a motion to alter the rules on the floor and pass it with a majority vote?

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> Speakers race is down to two candidates: Tom Emmer and Mike Johnson. On the 4th ballot: Byron Donalds and Kevin Hern were tied for last. Donalds dropped out and Hern was eliminated. 5th ballot now.

@Freiheit i thought it was decided they would vote for a singular candidate in private before coming to the table officially.

That is, the conference has to pledge in private that they would vote for one candidate only. But I can't remember if it was proposed as a rule change.

Special Rule Process: The process for reporting

Freiheit

16:13

@User1865345 I'll find the article again.... This proposal was a specific rules change in the house not a conference level rule.

> Crenshaw suggests electing a speaker by plurality

Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, suggested the House should elect a speaker by a plurality vote, meaning instead of a majority vote, only the candidate with the most votes is elected speaker instead.

This would effectively threaten any potential holdouts against a nominee. If any GOP holdouts vote against a Republican speaker, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., could become speaker.

"Let's see if they want to vote for a Democrat, see if they hate their own party that much," he told reporters.

It's Crenshaw and he "suggested" something. I should take this with many grains of salt. Based on your link to the House rules it'd take a lot to get the rule changed.

Joe W

I am sure some would with the knowledge that they could just move to remove the speaker again and start this all over again

The real problem members seem to like the current state

Freiheit

As a recovering Libertarian, you can't get votes to fix a dysfunctional government if the government is not dysfunctional

The GOP thrives being the minority party, they can say "no", put up a fight, put on a show, but not have to actually enact any real policy.

User1865345

17:27

@Freiheit House Republicans are showing America they are incapable of governing

House GOP Chooses Its Next Sacrifice to Speaker Vote: Tom Emmer

> Ultimately, 26 Republicans registered their opposition to Emmer, according to multiple reports. Right-wing lawmakers like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) voted for Jordan, while others simply voted present. Only able to lose three Republicans in a floor vote, Emmer has a steep hill to climb if he is to win the gavel.

> Some Democrats see Emmer as a more palatable option than any other candidate Republicans have put forward—which, in turn, may damage his standing among Republicans.

Joe W

17:55

Yet it will be Democrats fault for them not being able to agree on a speaker

User1865345

Same thing happening again and again and again.

> The dysfunction in the House is a national and global security issue.

I would sit-out the Speaker vote if Tom Emmer will fund our government at negotiated levels, bring Ukraine and Israel aid bills to the floor, and commit to rules changes to make Congress work for the people.🇺🇸

- Rep. Dean Phillips

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19:58

Trump Officially Tries to Kill Tom Emmer's Speaker Bid

It is tough for Emmer: 27 are against him.

Joe W

21:42

Tom Emmer withdraws US House speaker bid hours after nomination

That was quick

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