Hey

Hi Todders

So I feel like my "alternative solution" may have been slightly misunderstood

So the problem is you want to avoid a complete migration

Shoot

I see it as you want to disable the service and enable foundation search, then remove search express 2010

I'm thinking, since we know removing SSE breaks SharePoint I can leave SSE installed but disable the service from the "Services on Server" page and enable the Foundation Search again

No

Keep SSE Installed

AH

I just dont want to use it

That should work

Ok

Disable the service

We both agree here it should work

I'm trying to do this cheaply as possible since, had I known this third party product the customer was planning on using was not compatible with SSE I never would have installed it

if it does break

AND

You can just reenable it

Have you tried to disable indexing for webparts?

nope

That might be another solution

What problem are you trying to solve now?

The problem we have with the third party software is that it was poorly written. Basically its "If Foundation: Use Foundation Search; Else if Standard or Enterprise: Use Standard Search"

That might just allow them to work

They didn't handle a case with Foundation and SSE

oh

And they "have no plans to support it"

So they utilise search

Yeah

But didn't write it properly

Who are they so I don't use them :P

Its a third part app that stores data in SP and uses the SP Search capabilities but makes poor assumptions on what search services to use

Its a product called Papersave

I don't really know anything about it. I'm just in charge of SharePoint for this customer

So the guy who is in charge of papersave kept coming to me with questions and when he finally got support on the phone they said something along the lines of "Well heres your problem! Your search service needs to be enabled!" And I told them it was... we use Search Server Express... they said something like "Search Server what??"

facepalm

They aren't a Microsoft partner, and I can't see any SP accreditations on a lookup, I'm amazed your client went with them

Yeah I unfortunately know very little about them and their product

I love it

I just have to fix it

Shame you can't just reverse it quickly and fix that

I'm sure SPQuery works the same

It would just need the name adding in for the correct service (At a hunch)

I know. It should be a fairly trivial change since they obviously have logic in there that differentiates between Foundation and Standard

Well, I don't think swapping the services over and leaving it on will break it

Why is it so hard to add a case for SSE?

Just remember to dump the indexes first

and then disable it

I don't know

Without looking at their dll I wouldn't be able to tell

Yeah. I'll be properly destroying the service app and whatnot before switching the service over

Worst case scenario is you have to remake it

Right

Which is about a 20minute job + index time on your server for a full crawl

Then you would have to do the migration solution

Yeah

Ian here has a list of Microsoft certs longer than his arm, and he says it should be fine, so I believe him :P

If you want to update your answer I'll accept it and give you the bounty as you have covered all the bases. (My alternative should work, if not rebuild / migration is a viable option for "downgrading")

haha

Sure

Thanks :)

I'm literally a test away from I'd say... at least 3 SP Certs. Its the advanced Admin one I'm worried about

Just send me an email if you get stuck

I'm taking my MCSM in april

Sure. I should be fine as I've done rebuilds before but I wanted to avoid it if possible. And I didn't want to quote the smaller amount of work if I wasn't mostly confident it would work.

Oh nice

waited for 2013 to be sorted out to take it

Good idea.

Taking precursor exams actually april

Sweet

Then I think it's 3 week hardcore in June

Are you from the UK?

Wisconsin

Ah so not going to SharePoint Saturday here then

Negative

Going to be a stackexchange meetup there

Oh nice

SPDoctor, James Love, and a few others

Anyway I have to get back to work :) Good luck and just email me if you need anything with it

[email protected]

Yeah. All I've really got here is a monthly SPUG meeting which consists a few people from the rival consulting firm here and people who just want more info on SP for their organization. Sometimes we get useful tech conversation as well though

Sounds good. thanks again!

We have that at our local Microsoft Office, we have some massive companies in Edinburgh, probably 2nd biggest hub outside of London. It's really good to organise events, we take it in turns and invite companies to presentations, Banks, Universities etc.. It really pays off.