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Dude coinheringaahing

22:40

Whoever added phantoms to minecraft: good job on the sounds, they're awesome. Also, I hate you for adding in phantoms

Browncat Programs

Vote for mob B, they said. It'll be fun, they said.

emanresu A

What were the other options again>

Browncat Programs

I maintain that the blaze miniboss would have been awesome

emanresu A

No

Blazes are bad enough already

Browncat Programs

@emanresuA Blaze miniboss, carnivorous squid, and dinosaur thing

Dude coinheringaahing

22:42

Barnacle, Phantom, "The Great Hunger" and The Wildfire

Browncat Programs

@emanresuA Yeah but...a way to fight blazes outside of fortresses, and potentially get rare and new nether items?

Count me in

@Dudecoinheringaahing Those aren't official names are they?

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms I haven't seen a mob poll go well, ever :P

emanresu A

I bet y'all someone's going to make an AFK warden farm

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms Yep

Browncat Programs

I couldn't vote, but I was originally hoping for mob C (the dino guy)

Dude coinheringaahing

22:43

We were robbed of 2 actually cool mobs through the polls

Especially given that they're redoing mountains, having a miniboss on top of some mountains would be so good

Browncat Programs

The yellow cow was. so. cool. I wish they'd added it :(

emanresu A

> make the Nether "even more scary and exciting"

No thanks

Browncat Programs

The mountain dude seems like a bad idea to me

It has the same possible issue as mob B

Dude coinheringaahing

Yellow cow had the same problems as shiny fish

It's already a mob, but look, new skin

Browncat Programs

Yellow cow could have been implemented in a way that provided really cool stuff

If it worked with farming and bees, which is what it seemed they were going for, it could be great for farming. It also looks pretty cool.

The snow illusioner seems like it'd just be annoying after you encounter it for the first or second time, like phantoms or wandering traders

Dude coinheringaahing

22:47

Idk, I think some kind of ice magic miniboss could be cool

Browncat Programs

So do I, but putting it on random mountains seems like a bad place

Dude coinheringaahing

Like, maybe if you had some form of ice mansion that could spawn on mountains, a la woodland mansions

Browncat Programs

A sort of "snow dungeon" sort of thing that you could find entrances too would be really awesome though

^^

I think which mob is best is impossible to say, because we don't actually know enough about how they'd be implemented to know which is best :/

Like Mob C was so vague it could have been anything, really

Dude coinheringaahing

There's so much to explore with the snow pillager, especially when updating mountains, that glow squid feels like such a waste

Browncat Programs

Glow squid is 100% a waste, yeah

It should have come in last place. This was a two horse race where a third horse learned how to build a catapult and rules weren't in place yet to fix that.

Dude coinheringaahing

22:50

Especially given that glowing abilities could be done with, oh idk, glowstone? Or maybe some form of the glowing effect???

emanresu A

Glow squid are cute, but mostly useless

I thoroughly agree with axolotls though

Browncat Programs

Mobs in Minecraft typically fit into one of two categories: realistic animals there for ambiance, or unrealistic animals there for gameplay. Glow squids are both unrealistic and totally useless.

Dude coinheringaahing

Axolotls killing glow squid feels like the devs going "Oh ffs, that mob won? Fine, how do we kill it?"

Browncat Programs

I dislike axolotls personally, but I dislike all of 1.17/1.18 so shrug

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms I still don't get you disliking the improved terrain generation in 1.18. I agree with you that a lot of the stuff in 1.17 was cheap and it was a fail of an update, but 1.18 looks amazing

Browncat Programs

22:54

The mountains look good. I wish there was some more depth, but it's way better than what we had. Mountains good.

The new caves, the deepshit or whatever it's called, and the new items all look awful to me though

emanresu A

Which is worse: Glowsquid or wandering trader?

Browncat Programs

Glowsquid

Wandering traders are useful for skyblock and getting leads, at least

Plus they were part of 1.14

emanresu A

@BrowncatPrograms Tinted glass and deepslate have led to some really cool builds.

Browncat Programs

Tinted glass is good but I hate its recipe

Why. Not. Coal.

Dude coinheringaahing

The 1.17 fail does make sense to me as well. They set themselves a crazy high expectation: completely redo the mountains and redo cave generation. They then realised just how big of an update this would be, halfway into it, and that they wouldn't finish in time. So they decided to ship what they could from what they'd added (goats, glowsquid, amethyst, copper) and push the rest back to a proper dedicated release

Browncat Programs

22:56

Amethyst doesn't even make sense on the surface

for tinted glass

emanresu A

There are no tinted glass panes

Browncat Programs

@Dudecoinheringaahing I'm not even talking about 1.17 on its own

emanresu A

But copper is cool

Useless

but can look really good

Browncat Programs

Copper looks nice, but the ore is awful and it's everywhere

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms Deepslate is cool for me, but it only really makes sense below y < 0, which they then backpedaled from in 1.17

Copper and amethyst are just bad

Browncat Programs

22:58

I hate how the deepslate looks, although having another stone below y=0 totally makes sense. I disagree with there being anything below y=0 in the first place, though.

I wish they'd gone with blackstone or basalt, which look good and already were in the game

emanresu A

Dripstone allows killing a wither in ~5s

And lava farms

Browncat Programs

The lava farming is neat. I'm a bit conflicted on dripstone.

emanresu A

Why?

It also makes farms a lot easier

Browncat Programs

It does?

How?

We already had campfires, which are already way better at what dripstone does for farms

emanresu A

True

Dude coinheringaahing

23:00

ಠ_ಠ I just had three eyes of ender break in a row

Browncat Programs

That's super rare, actually

1/1000

emanresu A

Campfires aren't instant tho

@BrowncatPrograms Nah, 1/125

Browncat Programs

@emanresuA But they'll kill mobs that live

If a mob with armor falls and manages to survive the dripstone, it's stuck there

emanresu A

True

Browncat Programs

Before that we had piston crushers, which although loud have even more use cases

E.g. blaze farms

emanresu A

23:02

Piston crushers are good

blaze farms are hard

Blaze are pain

Dude coinheringaahing

Imagine building farms :P

Browncat Programs

Dripstone looks a bit bad to me personally, but I totally get other people liking it (unlike some things in the updates)

I just overall think 1.18 is such a missed opportunity. If they'd actually tried, maybe I'd be more forgiving of the less useful or uglier features.

Dude coinheringaahing

Personally, I think that redoing the terrain, world height, etc. could justify Minecraft 2.0 (but it seems I'm in the minority whenever I bring this up)

Browncat Programs

They took the name "cave update" without any of the surrounding context. People had wanted better cave structures, better handling of mobs in caves, better looking caves, etc. We didn't get any of that, just "look. big cave. slightly more variety."

Dude coinheringaahing

The 1.18 snapshots just feel like a totally different game from 1.16 and earlier

Browncat Programs

23:04

@Dudecoinheringaahing I disagree the terrain is redone at all

rak1507

minecraft updates always feel underwhelming, compared to other games where a release has a crapton more stuff, it's like, oh you added a new mob and a couple of new blocks, really?

Browncat Programs

It has mountains, sure, but that's it. Everything underground is strictly a downgrade if you ask me.

rak1507

they've kinda limited themselves by not having the set 'progression', which is fine, but it does feel like most updates do next to nothing

Browncat Programs

I strongly disagree with you there

1.12 to 1.16 have been massive, impressive, game changing, and nearly flawless IMO

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms Yeah, but if you go into the update going "This isn't Minecraft 1.whatever. This is Minecraft 2.0" when you dev it, then you can afford to make radical changes to the caves, mountains, biomes, mobs etc.

rak1507

23:06

@BrowncatPrograms I've not followed many recent updates but like, what's really been added since 1.9? basically nothing

Browncat Programs

1.12 paved the way for datapacks, and polished a lot of stuff. 1.13 made the ocean amazing. 1.14 made villages good. 1.15 redid a lot of technical things. 1.16 completely redid the nether basically.

Those are all huge, sweeping changes

Dude coinheringaahing

1.15 was literally just bees :P

Browncat Programs

1.14 and 1.16 are bigger than 1.9 imo

@Dudecoinheringaahing No, it was a technical update dsguised with bees

It redid a huge amount of graphics stuff, and upgraded datapacks considerably

rak1507

ok, 1.14 was decent, but the rest were all meh

Browncat Programs

1.16 was huge

Dude coinheringaahing

23:08

1.14 was huge, so was 1.16. 1.12 and 1.15 weren't "huge", they were all techno babble that could've been put in another update

1.13 was pretty great

Browncat Programs

@BrowncatPrograms It had some issues present in 1.17/1.18, but it was for the most part good, and it was undeniably a very large change

rak1507

oh yeah, 1.16 was pretty big, fair enough

Browncat Programs

@Dudecoinheringaahing I disagree with your opinions on 1.12 and 1.15 :p

rak1507

nether update is probably the only good update

Dude coinheringaahing

Although, fuck basalt deltas with all my heart. I hate them more than anything else in the game

Browncat Programs

23:08

1.12 especially

rak1507

1.12 was s/achievements/advancements

Browncat Programs

1.12 changed massive amounts of stuff for commands, along with 1.13, and data packs are the #1 thing I enjoy about the game

Maybe not for y'all, but I would have stopped playing years ago if it weren't for 1.12

Dude coinheringaahing

1.12 made it so that anything involving "random" blocks basically meant "anything you get is just the same 5 blocks but in different colors"

Browncat Programs

That's like the bees in 1.15

Added polish to justify the massive technical changes that ordinary players don't care about

Dude coinheringaahing

Yeah, but that polish still has to be good

Browncat Programs

23:10

1.12's polish was great!

emanresu A

1.15 revolutionised redstone

Browncat Programs

I love concrete, colored beds are amazing, and colored shulker boxes are super useful

Dude coinheringaahing

They could've worked on the technical side (aka 1.12), then released all that in 1.13 with the aquatics

Some with 1.15 and 1.16

Browncat Programs

They made huge technical changes in 1.13 too

You expect too much from them

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms If you don't sleep in a red bed all the time, we can't be friends :P

Browncat Programs

23:11

I use red beds in survival, but for building being able to use other colors is very nice

emanresu A

I use white/yellow beds

Yellow because vilalgaes

Browncat Programs

Plus given that 1.14 placed so much more emphasis on beds, having variety there is understandable

emanresu A

Yes

Banners are cool

akthough I kept trying to figure out what to do with smithing tables before 1.16

Dude coinheringaahing

I wish they added an update that would make speedrunning while being hunted a lot easier, so that me and my friends would have more fun :P

Browncat Programs

I think criticizing 1.12 and 1.15 for being technical in nature is sort of wrong, since the changes (especially in 1.15) took massive amounts of time even if they're not super noticeable

emanresu A

23:13

@Dudecoinheringaahing Hav you ever won?

Browncat Programs

There were dozens of bugs fixed every week for months before 1.15 was released

It fixed a ridiculously large backlog of janitorial work relating to some parts of the game

Dude coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Yeah, I've won when there are 3, 4 or even 5 hunters, pulling of some crazy fall clutchs, like riding a ghast :P

emanresu A

Nice try

Dude coinheringaahing

(I'm shitposting, in case you haven't figured it out. I can't speenrun to save my life :P)

Browncat Programs

@Dudecoinheringaahing I was one of the top speedrunners in the game at one point

I accidentally used a mod that gave me higher drop rates though

:p

emanresu A

23:15

I have beaten the game once, with full prop 4 diamond

(villagers)

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms Did you do it on purpose, or did you only realise that ~~as soon as you did it~~ months afterwards? :P

emanresu A

Once I had sub-2 hours but I forgot lava doesn't break your fall.

Browncat Programs

(I actually do sort of believe dream, honestly)

Dude coinheringaahing

It does if it's deep enough

Browncat Programs

Most of the criticisms of his claims that I've heard don't hold water

emanresu A

23:16

II was being chased by piglins, quite low, so drank fire res and jumped into lava.

rak1507

@BrowncatPrograms lol wtf

Browncat Programs

It's a little crazy sounding, but it's not unbelievable

emanresu A

Died, lost everything.

Dude coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms But green teletubby bad :P

Browncat Programs

And there's a ton of evidence

Dude coinheringaahing

23:16

In fact, I bet dream uses vyxal, because they're both bad because bad :P

emanresu A

@Dudecoinheringaahing CHUNGO ANGRY

Browncat Programs

I don't want to flat out state that I think he did or didn't intend to cheat, since I've gone back and forth at least six times, but at the moment given the current information available, it seems to point toward dream not being guilty

emanresu A

Jun 29 at 6:08, by PyGamer0

@lyxal oh so you are telling everyone to sub like the green homeless telletubby

Browncat Programs

Homeless?

emanresu A

Idk

Dude coinheringaahing

23:18

He's always on the move :P

Browncat Programs

Yeah I'd be too if people kept doxxing me :p

I don't really like talking about Minecraft anymore honestly :/

1.18's ruined it for me

Dude coinheringaahing

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Unrelated String

23:43

wait when did smithing tables get added
what the hell are those for

@Dudecoinheringaahing that would be so nice

Dude coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString Upgrading diamond to netherite

Unrelated String

oh yeah that

but yeah there should be some material reward that you can seek out by just climbing every mountain you see
because like
climbing mountains in minecraft isn't hard
but there may as well be some extra way in which to appreciate them

also maybe said miniboss could make it hard some way for mountains that have it

Dude coinheringaahing

Also, terrain makes fights so much more interesting, and mountains are the best terrain :P

Unrelated String

^^^

i'd almost say maybe a lot of its damage is traded off for horizontal knockback so a big part of the fight is making sure you don't get tossed off the mountain
like maybe that just means you build a wall around where you'll be fighting but that's still depth, you know
would at least be really interesting if it's relevant to speedruns because building a two or three block wall for the fight may not be the best use of time, but maybe building some small pillars or something and positioning around them could work

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