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@DJMcMayhem I get a 403 when trying to view that

What the hell

Wait isn't that the demo video base?

Hmm... It's definitely 0.15 based on the science packs

But that lab setup is bad - it looks like any given lab only gets 4/6 packs

I'm assuming that DJ is trolling us and this isn't his actual base

The Hive welcomes you

@DJMcMayhem Sure, what's up?

I'm just brewing some coffee right now

@DJMcMayhem For a train station?

I usually unload onto 8 belts (4 on each side of the train), then use sideloading and a balancer to make 4 dual-lane balanced belts

@Pavel Engineers

aka someone who can't figure out why SQLAlchemy is being such a shmuck

@DJMcMayhem Balancers are pretty easy

For nice numbers, at least

4-to-4 is really simple

4-to-4 is just splitters on left and right -> splitters on outside and inside -> splitters on left and right

@Pavel Splitters

@Pavel Very. Logistics 1.

The second tech that you research :P

And each tier of Logistics gives you a new splitter that has the same speed as the belts that the research also unlocks

@DJMcMayhem I didn't make military science

Well, I did, but it got replaced I think

I was working on blue with Lemon

It looks like 2:4:4 ammo/nades/turrets should work for 5

I'm not 100% confident in my math, though

Peaceful is good for learning the ropes, but I think that having aggressive biters really pushes you to build well and not AFK

@DJMcMayhem You'll want 1 regular ammo assembler per piercing ammo assembler

@Pavel It depends on how far away they are (i.e. how large you make your starting area) and how much pollution you make

Biters start attacking once your pollution cloud hits them

@Pavel You need ammo for military science, which is required for a lot of mid-to-end-game tech, which is required even if you don't fight biters

@Pavel Nope. They don't stop attacking until you kill them. However, only nests within your pollution cloud will attack you, so you don't have to deal with a giant army unless you make a huge pollution cloud without clearing out nests

@DJMcMayhem Whoops, you're right. I was looking at my setup, and I neglected to consider that I have 10 grey science assemblers going.

Blue is hard because of the steel requirement

I usually try to tap every iron patch in my starting area for blue+

Which is much more difficult on a ribbon world lol

New favorite solar blueprint: factorioprints.com/view/-KzikrhimQ4d2sntxvn0

Petition denied. Allegedly, other games than Factorio exist (though I'm not convinced).

Factorio 0.16 is live!

Man... I was making so much progress on my ribbon world

Time to start over :P

You can, but I'd rather start fresh because of the early-game improvements

Like more iron patches, more spread-out patches, richer patches, and less blamming trees everywhere

I splurged on poison capsules and flamethrower ammo

@DJMcMayhem Go to properties (in steam), enable the beta

Glad to help ruin your productivity :D

@NathanMerrill Yep, another reason why I want to start over :P

@NathanMerrill Once you get to blue, the difficulty ramps up. It can be difficult to produce enough steel to have a respectable amount of blue going.

@NathanMerrill My bet is on 0.16.5

@NathanMerrill I do, but then you run into iron ore shortages. It's a real problem when there are only two iron patches you can reasonably reach (thanks 0.15 ribbon world).

I set up a new patch just in time for my original patch to run dry :(

Grey science, boilers, and plastic are the only reason I have coal on my belts after I get electric furnaces

Lol no

I didn't even mass-assemble boilers for LB - I just made 10 in an assembler and said "good enough"

The biggest change I'm excited about is the buffer chests

They open up a whole new world of possibilities for highly-modular designs

Buffer chests allow you to have large robo networks and still maintain modularity

You can use them to make pseudo-mini-networks within a larger network

Look at it like this:

In 0.15, the way to do modular designs was with a bunch of small logistic networks that transferred their inputs and outputs via belts and/or trains

Say you have 3 networks: a main network, a network for making steel, and a network for making red science

You'd transfer iron to the steel network to turn it into steel. But now that iron isn't accessable anywhere else - the red science network can't use it. If steel production backs up, that iron is essentially gone (unless you do circuit shenanigans to move it back to the main network when things clog up).

With 0.16, you can use buffer chests and one large network to solve that problem

You get your iron from the same network and put it in buffer chests that feed the furnaces

So if steel production clogs up, your bots can still grab the iron from the buffer chests to use elsewhere - no fancy circuit shenanigans needed

Also it's useful for stuff like belts: whereas before you'd do yellow belt assembler -> provider chest -> red belt assembler -> provider chest -> blue belt assembler -> provider chest (and then have problems where you want the belts available to the logistic network, but you also want to keep a certain amount in the chests to use for upgrading to higher tiers of belts). Now you can use buffer chests instead of provider chests.

Ninja addition (wasn't in patch notes): nuclear fuel. Makes vehicles (cars, tanks, trains) go even faster than rocket fuel, and has more energy density.

Also 1.21 GJ