Yeah I'm also confused

@Unionhawk isn't COPPA US?

if i recall because of COPPA, Twitter has to shot down the account if it's under 13

@Memor-X yeah but ICE as an agency is older than 13 years

@TimStone oh they tweeted at some point in the past when the agency was less than 13 years old, that triggered the lockout

oh, lol

I forgot about that genius brain feature

COPPA lol

doesn't SE have a similar thing where they will ban the account until it turns 13?

Yeah, but I don't think they've ever done it if you tricked the system by not disclosing that before actually turning 13

Which is what Twitter's approach is doing, if your account was created before you were 13 and you later update the birth date to indicate that (after turning 13 or later) it's like "Hmm you fooled us so now you're locked out forever". I think ave had that problem then had to go through this whole process of contacting them

Don Young has Covid (Alaska Republican congressman, has been a congressman since the last ice age)

@GodEmperorDune That still makes no sense because them they are allowed on the platform now

I guess Twitter must have decided they could have liability for your old content somehow? And this was the easiest, most Twitter way of handling it? Not sure, it seems really dumb!

@PrivatePansy i didn't make the policy. I imagine its to allow time for someone to delete the posts from before they were 13

the people working at twitter must be thinking a lot about underage posting

@Memor-X afaik there's something similar in the EU with a higher age number

also yeah there is no birth date field on SE lol

so you won't get your account deleted for changing it to 11/12/2019 since it's not a thing

Yeah I think GDPR helped kill that field, it used to be there and then it became "why do we have this?"

Please, help me in this question: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/377533/…

Alaska is maybe gonna be within single digits which is kind of crazy. first time since 1992 (when both candidates were in the 30s because of third parties)

@Unionhawk yeah, you need to be dumb enough to say you're younger than 13, and then someone who cares enough has to send an email to SE about it

I know because I actually did that for a user

oh wait no, sorry

I mixed up SE and Reddit

Cummings out

> US man interviewed on Euronews: "So Biden may have won more votes and more electoral college seats but that don't mean he's elected President" Interviewer - "Well yes it does" Man - "No, it's who the people want that counts and we all want President Trump"

Like, there are 5 million more people that want Biden too

@Nzall but obviously in his warped view of reality, people who want Biden aren't people

@Nzall I wonder if there was a way to determine who the people want. That could revolutionize finding presidents.

Senator Elect Tommy Tuberville from Alabama believes that WW2 was fought to free Europe from socialism.

How fucking deranged can you be? On top of that, this whole idea that Biden was remotely socialist is beyond ridiculous. He's as much of a neoliberal as the next gun-wielding Trumper.

That guy'll probably get a fucking heart attack when AOC is going to run (though, it doesn't sound like he'd still be alive by then anyway).

No Tweetstorm yet today. Weird

I thought we were getting definitive proof of fraud "by Friday"!

More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel

@Jolenealaska Amazing

@Sterno He didn't say which Friday.

Trump asked aides if he could pursue a wild plan to replace the Electoral College with loyalists who would ignore the vote

I hate being right about this

@EddieKal Just asking this question should be enough for a sitting president to face life in prison

@Wipqozn You could contend its a violation of his oath to uphold the constitution, and therefore an impeachable offense

I hate Trump too but I'm pretty sure we're going down a dark path if we say people should be imprisoned for asking questions

And yet, it will be entirely ingored and brushed off by the majority of Republicans. The sane world will shake its head as it did over the last 4 years, but it will likely stay without consequences for the reputation of the GOP within its base or even for Trump himself.

@BradC Except that "the popular vote within a state determines who the electors will be" isn't in the constitution. It's not even true in every state

@murgatroid99 I don't think you'd have to be quite that literal in interpreting what Trump is doing as a violation of his oath

But its not going to happen, so its academic anyway

@murgatroid99 there seem to be an awful lot of loopholes in that paper

@Sterno It's a slippery slope to introduce slippery slope arguments that imply that asking regular questions is the same as asking questions about how to destabilize government.

I'm not saying it doesn't make him a piece of shit.

The idea that he should go to jail for it is overboard

@BradC If "reasonable" interpretations would hold up in court rather than doing things by the letter of the law, Trump would already be in prison and the voting system sanified. But given how shit like voter supporession is perfectly legal, I wouldn't be so sure betraying the electoral college wasn't either.

@MadScientist I don't know if "loopholes" is the right word in this case. The people writing that document envisioned a very different procedure for electing a president, with state legislators directly selecting electors. The current system is not protected there because the current system was not the intention.

@murgatroid99 but elections are in the constitution, or?

@MadScientist Article 2 Section 1: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress..."

@NapoleonWilson that's why I said it was grounds for impeachment and removal, not grounds for criminal prosecution

It's not like Trump doesn't have other clearer grounds for impeachment anyway

Oh, I'm sure the Republican senators will take a moral argument. ;-)

@murgatroid99 right. And he's guilty of plenty of actual federal and state crimes as well

I'm hoping that will head off any chance of a 2024 re-run

The US constitution seems kinda terrible

@Sterno And I'm not saying he should go to jail for it. But I am saying that the idea of "jailing the President for asking whether he'd be able to replace the entire Electoral College" is not the same thing as "jailing someone for asking questions". I'm not a fan of slippery slope arguments because they're almost always incredibly reductionist towards whatever point you're "slipping" on.

@MadScientist That's what we get for using a document written in the 18th century by wealthy white landowning men

I wasn't making a slippery slope argument. I'm saying literally no questions should get someone arrested

I do not recommend our way of getting a better constitution, but you really should update that thing

On the other hand, what would you expect? The thing has, what, 2 pages? It can't lay everything down meticulously rather than making broad strokes.

Okay, that emphasis didn't work. Nor did the quoting.

But of course those broad strokes were made by the wisest of wisest people to ever exist and changing them 200 years later is an affront to patriotism and probably to god also.

But I like how he simultaneously claims credit for the most secure elections ever while also saying the Dems rigged them

I went to pick up some groceries and turned on talk radio. They were busy mocking Biden for putting a lid on at 2pm every day this week (is that even true?) "because he needs a nap".

Meanwhile, Trump hasn't spoken in a week and just sits in his room crying

Sam Alito Delivers Grievance-Laden, Ultrapartisan Speech to the Federalist Society

This.... is pretty standard right-wing insanity, but to hear it from a sitting Supreme Court justice....

> For instance, the justice criticized state governors who’ve issued strict lockdown orders in response to COVID-19, referring to specific cases that came before the court. Alito said these “sweeping” and “previously unimaginable restrictions on individual liberty” have served as a “constitutional stress test,” with ominous results.

> The justice then complained that the Supreme Court’s same-sex marriage ruling had crushed the free speech rights of anti-LGBTQ advocates by subjecting them to public criticism

what debate does the federalist society foster? its members are in lockstep and near clones of each other in legal thought, i can't imagine them having anything close to a debate

whelp. Bye bye Obergefell

Aren't the federalist society the ones who paid for all the Republican judges anyway?

They're the ones that like, incubate conservative judges from law school

the lab that grew antonin scalia? that was them

Also, that photo looks like the crazy Nic Cage meme. ;-)

@Sterno I obviously disagree. A president / prime minister trying to completely overthrow the election like Trump is far and away one of the most egregious crimes such a person can commit. It should be faced with serious jail time for attempting such a thing. This latest question of his just proves that's all he's been trying to do.

It's high treason as far as I'm concerned

Treason, btw, can result in life imprisonment

I thought treason gets the death sentence in the US. But maybe that was 100 years ago.

@Yuuki Yes. Exactly, especially considering everything else he's been doing.

Like at this point it's undeniable he knows very well he lost, and is trying to overthrow the lawfully elected government, since he doesn't want to surrender power.

@NapoleonWilson No, it gets you a chance at a second term.

There's a difference between staging an actual coup and asking your advisors what legal (but morally pitch black) options are available to you, is what I'm saying.

But it's okay. We don't have to agree. We can just go back to hating Trump together :)

@Sterno I agree, but I think he is staging an actual coup, and his question is just him furthering his attempts at that.

@Sterno Oddly enough, I think that's actually the one line Trump wouldn't actually cross to try to stay president.

@Sterno I'm fine with this

Like, I'm fairly certain he'll attempt a bloody coup over changing his own name like a Saturday morning cartoon villain.

He really is a cartoon villain

So I talked to one friend who in other regards isn't an idiot but voted for Trump. And he's not even Republican. Actually first election he's voted R

I asked him about the dumb shit Trump says and does and he says he doesn't ever watch press conferences or read his Twitter.

I have no idea what to make of that

To be fair, Trump would be a lot less awful if you never saw him speak or write.

@Sterno ...what is he even basing his vote on?

@Wipqozn Policies, I guess? I didn't want to dig into them because I was already done with the conversation at that point

@Sterno I don't understand how you could read up on those and then not find well, everything else.

My friend is pretty libertarian/isolationist so he's probably very happy with the US leaving WHO, the Paris Accords, etc

@Sterno Oh that explains it

@murgatroid99 Hear! Hear! Amazing how many people still can grow out of "founding father" worshiping. The world is controlled by all these rules set down by dead old white men.

@MadScientist TBF, we have made some updates

I'll be honest, I used to lean somewhat libertarian. I suppose that comes with growing up in Texas. But now that I'm a couple more years down the road, I now have to fully walk out of the room whenever someone says they're libertarian because I just have this kind of visceral reaction to the concept.

I get this urge to argue with them on the issue and that's almost never the appropriate reaction so I kinda have to physically distance myself.

@Sterno There are a lot of people tuning out his terrible character and all the racism and sexist shit in favour of policies that they think make sense.

If only the policies would actually make sense, but well...

Pretty much the entire Republican party, yeah

@Yuuki A confounding factor might be that the American Libertarian party follows a pretty different definition of libertarian then the rest of the world.

They're less "power should be more distributed" and more "I should be allowed to control people with my money".

> A Michigan judge has denied the Trump campaign's motion to cease certification of the vote in Detroit, noting that if the election challengers had attended orientation, they would know that what they were witnessing was routine

@TimStone lol

There's possibly an on-going hostage situation at Ubisoft Montreal

> One thing that can hurt your credibility as a witness is already believing a conspiracy theory before you even get to be a poll watcher. t.co/9J0MN8fnhb

A Covid hoaxer

Yeah, it's both good and terrifying that this is all orchestrated by the dumbest people alive

NBC has now called all the states, giving us the expected 306-232 Biden win

@TimStone I should've paid better attention in French class so I could read this. Completely wild if true. Hopefully no one gets hurt.

@Wipqozn google translate also works

Yeah but it's good he's admitted he's a worse Canadian than I am

@Nzall I'm on my phone.

Oh hey there's a translate button

More tvanouvelles.ca/2020/11/13/…

Employees are hiding on the roof

m1.quebecormedia.com/emp/emp/…

> Charles Koch's regrets: In a rare interview, the libertarian billionaire concedes that his GOP partisanship and activism badly deepened America’s divisions. As he puts it in his new book, “Boy, did we screw up! What a mess!”

Buddy, ya think?

btw, I deleted that article about the hostage situation I posted because it was a right wing publication

> Police have told Radio-Canada's Kim Vermette that the operation near the Ubisoft building in Montreal seems to be related to an armed robbery

> A senior administration official tells CNN that CIA Director Gina Haspel has been iced out of an intelligence meeting that was to take place at the WH Friday that included President Trump, Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe and other top intelligence officials

Joe Biden becomes first Democrat in 28 years to win Georgia

Last 2 states have been called: Georgia for Biden, and NC for Trump

> 3rd Circuit upheld a lower court order rejecting a constitutional challenge to PA's extended, post-Election Day deadline for absentee ballots. A separate challenge remains pending before SCOTUS, though, so the fate of those ballots remains unsettled

Final electoral count: Biden 306 - Trump 232

direct flip (numerically at least) of Trump's 2016 electoral win over Clinton

> Michigan state senator removed her mask multiple times (briefly) during multiple legislative hearings Thursday. Hours later, she says she learned she had COVID-19

The space at the end of your square brackets is causing the link issue, @TimStone

shakes fist

> DHS boss Chad Wolf defies President Trump's order to fire cyber chief Chris Krebs. Krebs dismissed Trump's claims of voter fraud

The turning of the chad wolf

@TimStone Chad Wolf versus Virgin Trump

Pennsylvania secretary of state says she won't order recount

> "Based on the unofficial returns submitted by all the counties to the Department of State, Secretary Boockvar has determined that she will not be ordering a recount and recanvass of the election returns in the counties, as no statewide candidate was defeated by one-half of one percent or less of the votes cast," Pennsylvania's Department of State said in a release.

And the self-congratulations are starting again

and he's claiming the Pfizer vaccine for operation warp speed again

> I just talked with a 'dead' voter. She's alive & well, charming & sharp at 96. The president's campaign said James E. Blalock had voted even though he died in 2006. It was Mrs. James E. Blalock. She voted legally against Trump. She first voted for FDR. Intvw shortly @11AliveNews

when your news channel name is on point

It's so fucking annoying that he's taking credit for something that is mostly done by the pharma and biotech companies, and the authorities like the FDA that almost certainly would have done exactly the same thing under any other administration (potentially better because of less interference)

> Trump came within inches of acknowledging the reality of a Biden administration just now

lol

yeah, noticed that as well

he caught himself but that would have been hilarious

right now it's a normal press conference with someone speaking that seems to know what they're talking about. That's kind of unusual

Well, he's also taken credit for shit Obama achieved.

I'm not talking about Trump

He was as terrible as usual

Then who else claims the Pfizer vaccine?

okay, I'm a bit confused as I thought you replied to my latest message

I see.

Trump did claim the Biontech vaccine for operation warpspeed, which is mostly wrong though the US government did pre-buy the vaccine

well, Moncef Slaoui was a lot more convincing than the asskissers following him

the coward isn't taking questions

Took my dog for a walk. Saw the asshole down the road from me is still flying a Confederate flag

@Sterno Has he talked about the election results, or just covid?

I'm only like 4 min in but I think he claims credit for the vaccine because he's giving them money afterwards? Or something. Unclear

@Sterno Pfizer stated that they're not part of Operation Warp Speed after that was initially claimed. And it's true that Biontech/Pfizer didn't get money for developing the vaccine unlike other candidates. The US government did pre-buy the vaccine though, which is kind of a subsidy as it takes the risk out of the development to some extent.

I was suspended for referring to the president with profanity because he likes to call it the "China virus". I apologize to anyone offended. I should have called him "racist" instead of the profanity-filled adjective I chose

Didn't see it, or well, I probably saw it and didn't notice anything wrong. I think calling Covid the China virus deserves every expletive I can think of

The higher order part of my brain says I should feel something about this curve but the rest of the brain just cannot handle it any more

that curve is going to get really ugly in the US and in parts of Europe

Note that the textbox covers up the top of the spike - 170k is 50k more than the same number last week

@TimStone It sounds like this may have been a hoax?

Good if so, at least no one was in real danger then

Even if it's pretty messed up someone called in a hoax

> Sixteen federal prosecutors specially assigned to monitor 2020 election malfeasance told AG Barr in a letter today they saw no evidence of substantial voting irregularities, & asked him to rescind his recent policy change

@TimStone Yes

@TimStone Yes

@TimStone Yes