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12:05 AM
> Florida first lady to miss Women for Trump event due to planned execution
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2:17 AM
Trump tweets photo of Trump Tower in Greenland: "I promise not to do this" (photo of some area in Greenland i assume with a giant golden cock Trump Tower in the middle of it)
 
 
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9:10 AM
@puzzlepiece87 the business model of uber and such are also basically... the opposite of what they'd need to be for having self driving cars. They're currently working by, well, having their employees pay for all the capital investments and maintenance costs. Self-driving cars would require them to own a fleet of cars, do maintenance on them, store them, etc... you know, like taxi services do now
 
 
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12:44 PM
> Save Robot Combat: Youtube just removed thousands of engineers’ Battlebots videos flagged as animal cruelty
> Well isn't that cute, Google AI thinks it's people now.
 
1:11 PM
He has a very "Oh yeah I did war crimes" look too, tbh
lol saying Biden is just as sharp as he was 31 years ago is just a burn on past Biden
 
1:35 PM
This is how Blizzard evaded loot box laws in China
Because those regulations only apply to paid lootboxes
 
And arguments has to why publishers need it are hogwash.
 
So what is Blizzard doing? You pay for coins, which have no in-game value, and get the lootbox for "free" as a bonus
Apparently, it is legal
@Frank Publishers "need" it because it's extremely profitable, just like a roulette table
 
@Frank I don't think publishers are the one's cracking down on anything, generally from what I've heard it's publishers pushing for such things
 
@MechMK1 This is true for most modern things. Laws always take a while to catch up.
@Elva Publishers as in the console creators. Wrong word.
 
@Frank And usually if they do, it's complete and utter tosh
 
1:37 PM
Aah okay! :)
 
coughDMCAcough
 
@MechMK1 Well, that depends on the field. Lawmakers can't be experts in everything.
And there's a major dearth of gamer knowledge in...any government, I think.
But this workshop on loot boxes a couple weeks back was a good start.
 
@Frank It's understandable, but the "experts" they consult are from the lobbies they are about to regulate
If I was paid by the ESA, I would also start talking about player choice and surprize mechanics
@Frank Wasn't that held by the ESA?
 
@MechMK1 Not sure.
 
Apparently it was hosted by the FTC, and conducted by "industry representatives"
Now let me ask you, if lootboxes make your company billions of profits a year, and you had the chance to talk to lawmakers who are about to heavily regulate this source of income, wouldn't you also tell them anything you could so they would not do that?
 
1:41 PM
@MechMK1 sometimes not even consult.. sometimes just go "Hey, what law would you like me to pass? This one, okay I'll just copy it verbatim and change the name"
 
@MechMK1 Obviously.
 
@Elva US Politics is worse than the Dead by Daylight post-game chat
 
Yeaaaah
 
But governments are supposed to be less corrupt than just slurping at the gravy train.
We should probably move this to TIF; kinda strayed into politics and junk.
 
@Frank Which is exactly why I think this workshop is not a good start, but rather a completely wrong step. It's as if you are about to regulate gambling, and the only people you listen to are casinos, talking all about how they make some people rich, and how they help them out of poverty.
 
1:44 PM
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@Elva It was not my intention to say you should respect all beliefs (nazis, for example, can go into the sea). It's just that we shouldn't be teaching our children to go around mocking or demeaning the beliefs of others. That to me just reenforces the idea of mocking other cultures who are different. i.e. I'm thinking of the huge amounts of racism around africans and first nations being viewed as "savages" by Europeons and Americans.
 
Awww I don't have room owner here so I can't read the removed message :(
 
it was the 28 messages moved audit message
 
@Elva IT was @Frank confessing his undying love for "Identify this Game" questions.
 
1:47 PM
That seems legit to me!
 
@Wipqozn Undying love of burning them at the stake, for sure!
 
Yes, it was the 28 messages thing
 
Makes sense
 
Because I accidently started talking about politics
 
@MechMK1 Nah, we all did.
Loot boxes kinda stray into it.
 
1:52 PM
Naturally, in a way. But what I find funny is that I yet have to meet someone who can tell me something good about paid lootboxes
Like, I really don't mind randomized loot
But paying for it...ehhhh
 
2:03 PM
@MechMK1 That depends on the perspective. For consumers? Nope. For the creators? Absolutely.
 
@Frank Of course, else they wouldn't make it. But it's in essence an exploitative business
Just the fact that you can get "duplicate" items means essentially that the system decided you get nothing
 
@MechMK1 And is likely weighted towards that exact outcome.
Loot boxes need regulation, or outright banning.
It's a business practice that needs to be taken out back and shot.
 
@Frank Of course. Because players usually want a specific item. So they will continue to buy the loot boxes, until either a.) they got the item or b.) they spent so much money that they can't justify further spending
And even in the case of b.), there is the gambler's fallacy keeping them coming back
You know, the fallacy that mostly affects gamblers, doing gambling, which is heavily regulated
 
Also the fact that they intentionally make how much you've spend on gambling opaque
 
@Elva And obfuscate it to help bypass gambling regulations with their own, "premium currency"
 
2:10 PM
Yup yup
 
@Frank Which, technically, isn't a currency because it has no real-life value
 
But it also greatly helps hide how much you've spend, as in reports of one person getting the information via the GDPR and finding out IIRC he spend like... 3 thousand?
 
@MechMK1 And you lose anything you gain once the company decides to no longer support the servers for the game.
 
TEN thousand, not 3
 
@Elva Yes, I read that
It's insane
 
2:12 PM
In two years, soooo 400 dollars a month...
 
The entire scheme is insane
That's about my entire disposable income
 
Or those kids that cleaned out their parents bank account because of how the system is set up.
 
@Frank yeaaahp
But sure it's a game that doesn't require adult supervision, naaaah. Teens is fine
 
@Frank Because kids don't understand that money is an abstract concept. For young children, money is something concrete they touch. Something they physically give to a cashier. Even with credit cards, they feel the need to have a physical card.
 
2:15 PM
Or lootboxes and microtransactions added after the game is published, to bypass age ratings and press reviews.
 
@Frank yeah that's just utterly disgusting
 
@Frank It's the reason I dropped Payday 2
I loved that game
 
In general, the gaming industry has been moving towards more predatory and exploitative methods for quite some time, as they're never happy with their growth.
 
I had 1000 hours in that game
I played it every day with my friends
 
@Frank There's such an enormous amount of money in those predatory schemes
 
2:16 PM
And then came the "crimefest", where the "Big Surprize" in the end was that they were introducing lootboxes and skins, which affect gameplay
Yeah, that ultra-rare skin just happens to break an important damage wall, allowing you kill specific enemies in 1 shot instead of 2. Just cosmetic, eh?
 
@MadScientist And that's why they do it.
It has to keep pushing the envelope, to make all the money.
 
All the money and more
 
Being profitable is never enough; they have to sustain massive growth to satisfy their shareholders.
Capitalism at it's finest.
 
It's essentially unsustainable
It's not just growth - they expect even faster growth
 
It is; but CEOs don't think long term.
They don't have to. They'll get their massive millions of dollars bonuses, cash out stocks, and they're sitting pretty when it implodes.
 
2:34 PM
@Frank These people get more money as "bonus" that you will earn in your entire lifetime
 
@MechMK1 Yep.
 
Essentially, they play in an entirely different league when it comes to money. The difference between "everything I have" and "nothing at all" is less than what that guy's glasses are worth
 
3:34 PM
@MechMK1 Yeah, it's not just "oh, at least we have profits", it's "more profits than the profits we had last year".
Anyone who took algebra can tell that you that exponential growth is ridiculous.
 
@Yuuki CEOs don't care, because they don't have to think long term.
 
I'm loving the extremely normal number of articles about how there won't be a recession
 
Once it levels out, they leave, and it's someone else's problem.
 
3:51 PM
@Unionhawk The real true predictor/indicator of a recession.
 
it's fine john mccain hasn't been on cbs to talk about the fundamentals of the economy, so that means it's a slightly different scenario and not true deja vu
 
 
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7:56 PM
@Stormblessed From what I gather, Republican parenting involves a lot of eye contact.
Which surprises me, tbh.
 
@Yuuki confused for a minute but I get it :P
@Yuuki someone should actually study this lol
like how high the chance of something is vs. how abnormal the number of things are saying it isn't going to happen is
 
the economy is fake and anyone who claims to know what the fundamentals of it are are lying
 
@Unionhawk Economies are weird. Nobody, not even the economists, fully understand how they work.
 
@Stormblessed "not being able to look my children in the eye" is a surprisingly common phrase that GOP members seem to use when breaking from the party.
(only to slink back in a few months later when the election rolls around, cough cough Ted Cruz cough)
 
@Yuuki family values
Or whatever bs
 
8:09 PM
the abstract The Economy is meaningless to pretty much everyone. Why do I care if The Economy capital letters is Doing Good if I have to work 3 gig economy jobs to pay my rent
and all of them are stealing my tips too
 
8:24 PM
Yah
It’s weird that because the numbers look good, it seems like working-class people like in Wisconsin are gonna vote for Trump
What actually affects them is stuff like wages
 
 
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11:58 PM
 
@TimStone hi
 
So we went from "joking" about Trump buying Greenland to him cancelling a meeting with the Danish prime minister because she was like "wtf?"?
 

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