This Is Fine

Unionhawk

00:01

@GodEmperorDune I said good reason

Tim Stone

The latest from Houston Police Watch Command A total of 3 suspects in a residence. One of them is dead. Two still inside. HPD was serving a warrant at the home. Five officers shot and transported to the hospital.

Tweeted by KHOU on January 28, 2019 at 11:55 PM

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone something something good guy with a gun

Tim Stone

BuzzFeed's director of quizzes, who was laid off: http://www.fluxblog.org/2019/01/how-laid-off-are-you/

Tweeted by mattdpearce on January 28, 2019 at 9:35 PM

Not that Stack Exchange is completely dissimilar in this regard but I feel like I actually get value out of content here so while I guess people could really, really like quizzes maybe also don't provide labour for free

#yourtimeisvaluable or whatever

GodEmperorDune

#gigEconomyWheee

also looking forward to buzzfeed crashing and burning once QuizTeen graduates and doesn't have as much time to provide free quizzes

Tim Stone

Seconds into Howard Schultz’s remarks here at Barnes & Noble in Manhattan, a heckler yells: “Don’t help elect Trump. You egotistical billionaire asshole.”

Tweeted by sppeoples on January 29, 2019 at 12:07 AM

GodEmperorDune

00:10

or just emails buzzfeed and asks for a tremendous salary

@TimStone hell yeah

heckler 2020

Tim Stone

He gets taken out by security. Also says “go back to getting ratioed on Twitter!”

Tweeted by GideonResnick on January 29, 2019 at 12:06 AM in reply to GideonResnick

lol

GodEmperorDune

i'm gonna be so proud for this heckler and the sup bootlickers guy to combine forces on a 2020 ticket

Tim Stone

On @NY1: 53 y/o housekeeper trapped in billionaire's townhouse elevator for 3 days. Rich UES neighbor: "humans can last 72hrs w/o water... what she went thru isnt anywhere close to human endurance, but its beyond what we're used to be bc we've lost touch w our... strength." 🤯 https://t.co/JP4TgIKh5Y

Tweeted by Josmar_Trujillo on January 28, 2019 at 8:16 PM

I think my face is now stuck in "WTAF?" pose

The real shocking thing here is that the guy isn't Jack

A Trump insider got a board position right after the US lifted sanctions on a Russian company https://qz.com/1535650/ via @qz

Tweeted by HeathaT on January 28, 2019 at 10:50 PM

Oh hm weird

over the weekend my colleagues & I spent 48hrs obsessing over a way to help our colleagues who just lost their jobs get treated fairly & get paid out PTO they’d earned working for BuzzFeed. 585 people who work for our company said they agreed. Today, our CEO said he did too ✊🏽

Tweeted by azeen on January 29, 2019 at 12:14 AM

GodEmperorDune

00:27

@TimStone so buzzfeed is paying out the PTO for all the people they fired? couldn't the company have done that in the first place if the CEO wanted to do so?

Tim Stone

Yeah but he didn't want to do so until the remaining staff told him to pound sand

GodEmperorDune

grats for eventually not being so much of an asshole, i guess

Tim Stone

Well, correction, I'm sure he still doesn't want to do so

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune this is where the 585 number came in

Tim Stone

But you know

GodEmperorDune

00:29

buzzfeed just unionize

Unionhawk

do you like our new posters? we made them special for today’s bargaining session https://t.co/nFRqHHJ9vz

Tweeted by gmgunion on January 28, 2019 at 2:47 PM

I'm actually headed to the centrist rally, i.e. Howard Schultz's book event at the Barnes & Noble in Union Square tonight. Who exactly is attending this sold-out event? I will find out. https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/881161169469403137

Tweeted by maxwellstrachan on January 28, 2019 at 10:46 PM

oh god

GodEmperorDune

> GO BACK TO DAVOS

lol

Unionhawk

Howard Schultz now addressing income inequality: “The inequality is real and must be addressed, but not in a punitive way. What is required is leadership." “We can’t continue to add onto the debt. We can’t continue to add onto the inequality.”

Tweeted by maxwellstrachan on January 29, 2019 at 12:32 AM in reply to maxwellstrachan

Tim Stone

Oh, I forgot to post the video, and I've lost the link now

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk uhhh but what if you define "anything that rich people have to do" as being punitive

Tim Stone

00:35

But even the mild booing of the heckler was super-centrist

GodEmperorDune

also not sure how government debt is related to income inequality except for that money is involved

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune it's why actually what we need is to cut social security or some shit

GodEmperorDune

income inequality is when you can only afford 6 boats and not the betsy devos 7th

@TimStone and buzzfeed is laying off more reporters in other countries today

Tim Stone

Want to see a really bad bug? You can FaceTime any iOS device running 12.1 and listen in remotely—WITHOUT THE OTHER PERSON ANSWERING THE CALL. (via @bzamayo) https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/28/facetime-bug-hear-audio/

Tweeted by waxpancake on January 29, 2019 at 12:21 AM

Unionhawk

I love spreading out my layoffs over the course of an entire week to maximize stress

Tim Stone

00:42

@TimStone Cool, cool. Funnily enough in college my one friend had this happen where calling her would pick up before she actually picked up. No idea what was going on there

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone way to snipe my feed

Tim Stone

lol, in my defense I got it from a retweet of a tweet which quote-tweeted it

GodEmperorDune

Ending the estate tax would give a tax break of up to: - $63.6B for the Walton family, the owners of Walmart - $39.1B for the Koch brothers - $27.8B for the Mars candy bar family - $13.4B for the Cox cable family - $0 for more than 99.8% of Americans https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/01/28/top-gop-senators-propose-repealing-estate-tax-which-is-expected-be-paid-by-fewer-than-americans-year/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.38d860d50dd6

Tweeted by GunnelsWarren on January 28, 2019 at 11:36 PM

@TimStone sure, sure

Tim Stone

lmao

"I will absolutely not run as a Democrat, I am a centrist independent 4 lyf"

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Schultz asked about @AOC advisor saying existence of billionaires is "failure of the system." Schultz: "It's so un-American to think that way…I think there is a problem that she has identified. But I think the way she’s going about it, unfortunately, she is a bit misinformed."

Tweeted by alexis_levinson on January 29, 2019 at 12:44 AM in reply to alexis_levinson

love to ignore all the privilege that i have

Unionhawk

00:56

Not only that

But pointing it out is unamerican

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune I don't know enough about him (see also: I know literally nothing), but even if he literally came from nothing that still doesn't somehow justify other people living on the street starving in the freezing cold just so he can a 10th yacht

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn you cannot get to a billion dollars without some level of privilege

#ChangeMyMind

Unionhawk

workers, billionaire

Unionhawk

01:16

Asked if Dems could do anything to change his mind, Schultz replies: "No" "I don’t think their views represent the majority of Americans ... I don’t think we want a 70 percent income tax in America (???), and I certainly don't think we can afford the things they're suggesting"

Tweeted by maxwellstrachan on January 29, 2019 at 1:03 AM in reply to maxwellstrachan

When you've got your finger on the pulse of the american people

howard we're going to take all your money so nobody has to die thinking about whether they can afford a fucking ambulance or not

Tim Stone

I like the stories about him giving people absurdly low-valued Starbucks gift cards

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk i love how AOC's 70% marginal rate income tax is tanking for elizabeth warren's 2% wealth tax

@TimStone i like the way you think, here is a gift card for 2 cents, geddit?

Tim Stone

He had like a whole bunch of $3.50 cards made when he bought the Sonics apparently and you can't even put that low of a balance on the card usually

Like why not just go $5? lol
Or do nothing!

Centrist niceties are just awkward af

Unionhawk

also we is just people like howard

Here

GodEmperorDune

"all my buddies at davos/the yacht club/the hedge fund are saying the same thing"

Tim Stone

01:26

Transcript:

Tweeted by JordanUhl on January 29, 2019 at 1:25 AM in reply to JordanUhl

ow my brain

GodEmperorDune

wait so putin is going to confiscate your guns but only with teams of exactly 29 men?

or is trump gonna do this?

wtf is cucker talking about?

Tim Stone

Yeah I'm also confused here because the FBI works for Trump so if Trump is Russia then uhh

Okay? Then?

GodEmperorDune

wow i finally agree with trump on something, he doesn't want howard schultz to run either

Tim Stone

Look he has a lot of eager supporters like himself and only himself

GodEmperorDune

wow he even stole hillary's forward thing

Tim Stone

01:32

(I think you retweeted it but it's still funny)

GodEmperorDune

yeah wasn't sure if it met the bar for the room

i have a new place to post dunks and it is great

Tim Stone

I guess it generally doesn't but it ties in here so we're making it work

Schultz says he would ask tech companies to "solve border security"

Tweeted by timothypmurphy on January 29, 2019 at 12:39 AM

Unionhawk

There are two types of people: those who are honest and open about their political ideology, and those who try to convince themselves and others that their political, ideological positions are just common-sensical "doing what works" pragmatism.

Tweeted by awgaffney on January 29, 2019 at 1:33 AM

Tim Stone

throws a table

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone ARE YOU GJDKGSHKJDHGKJSBDKJFHD

goddamit

Unionhawk

01:34

Jan 25 at 23:14, by Unionhawk

I'd cc someone but that may be a code of conduct violation so I won't

GodEmperorDune

i prefer the techbro who is "UBI but don't overlap with govt benefits" at least it is closer to workable (but seriously just do UBI for everyone and don't let there be games for eligibility)

protip: people on govt benefits today need the UBI more than most

and they will spend it faster and boost ur capitalisms

Tim Stone

Bolsonaro government reveals plan to develop the ‘Unproductive Amazon’: https://news.mongabay.com/2019/01/bolsonaro-government-reveals-plan-to-develop-the-unproductive-amazon/

Tweeted by mongabay on January 28, 2019 at 4:10 PM

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone ugh i forgot about this asshole

Tim Stone

you only make oxygen why don't you get a job

Unionhawk

@TimStone gotta paperclips game it

@GodEmperorDune this is just the democratic line

Tbf

GodEmperorDune

01:39

still terrible

tech is not magically free from bias or making shitty situations worse

Unionhawk

Also "solve border security" is not a thing that needs to be done

GodEmperorDune

i mean i'm for fully open borders but i can see how that isn't a mainstream position

i guess this means i solved it already, please give me the wall monies now, thanks

Unionhawk

Yeah you literally don't have to do anything actually, no action is more solved than fuckin, more drones or whatever

Stop pouring out water stop prosecuting people who are against more people dying for stopping people from dying

Bam

Solved

Not fully

But solved enough

GodEmperorDune

upon further reflection, i will split the border solving prize money with @uni

Memor-X

@TimStone SOLVE BORDER SECURITY WITH BLOCKCHAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

GodEmperorDune

01:52

@Memor-X pretty sure this was already a talk at Davos

Unionhawk

02:27

Cloture was invoked on the motion to proceed to S.1, 74-19. No votes: Baldwin Brown Carper, Durbin Feinstein Gillibrand Heinrich Hirono, Kaine Leahy Merkley Murphy Peters Reed Sanders Shaheen, Udall Van Hollen Warren NOT voting: Booker Cramer Harris Hoeven Paul Schatz, Tillis.

Tweeted by SenatePress on January 28, 2019 at 11:22 PM

ah cool

naturally

nice absent or present vote (idk which one) booker and harris

Tim Stone

02:59

In the beautiful Midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. In coming days, expected to get even colder. People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on January 29, 2019 at 2:28 AM

rubs temples

Can't wait for the Q take on Waming

@Unionhawk sighs

Unionhawk

03:12

@TimStone this was a known outcome

Memor-X

@TimStone a long winded version of XKCD

Unionhawk

Now we know which ones voted no out of "no fuck you it's the shutdown" last time

Memor-X

BuzzFeed will axe more than half of its workers in Australia, with 25 jobs to go as part of a broader cost-cutting exercise http://bit.ly/2RVm2I7

Tweeted by SBSNews on January 29, 2019 at 1:09 AM

TIL that's BuzzFeed employees people in Australia

Unionhawk

and which ones voted no or abstain out of "I'm running for president" at most cynical

GodEmperorDune

03:29

@TimStone every damn time it gets cold

@Unionhawk what bill is this?

Tim Stone

The "You Must Be Nice To Israel" one

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune it's a lot of stuff but it includes "states can blacklist companies doing BDS no 1a infringement intended"

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk damn i am impressed feinstein voted no

Unionhawk

Kaine as no too

What the fuck is this mix

Brown, Gilibrand, Sanders, Warren, Booker, and Harris are obvious

welcome to the clown car baby

population us

Unionhawk

03:51

Kamala Harris's comments of "using the stick" to make poor families behave, or be arrested, is deeply disturbing. This is much worse than Clinton's "super predator" comments, because Harris's conviction belies a far more deeply held political philosophy. https://t.co/WhFkO4HOE4

Tweeted by WillisJermane on January 28, 2019 at 8:26 PM

WELCOME TO THE MOTHER FUCKING CLOWN CAR

THAT'S AN ENTIRE THREAD AND I'M MAD

Tim Stone

05:11

I feel like this is one of the bleakest media things I’ve read on the internet in a while. A bunch of people who know how to make stuff the public will love, and very little idea how to make a stable living from it.

Tweeted by mattdpearce on January 29, 2019 at 5:08 AM in reply to mattdpearce

GodEmperorDune

09:02

Joshua Tree national park 'may take 300 years to recover' from shutdown https://trib.al/J82TIQM

Tweeted by guardian on January 29, 2019 at 8:46 AM

Thanks trump and cocaine Mitch

Nzall

@GodEmperorDune Don't forget to thank those bozos who thought "hey, there are no park rangers here, let's do crazy-scale vandalism since who's going to stop us?"

Like, if your first instinct when visiting a natural park without rangers is "this really old tree is blocking my view, let's cut it down", then you shouldn't even be visiting natural parks...

Blame Trump and Mitch McConnell all you want, but there's still plenty of blame to place on those that blatantly want to disrespect nature and vandalise property and take the first possible opportunity to do so

Kevin

09:57

@Nzall shouldn't even be visiting artificial parks, just stay in your home

Nzall

10:26

Welcome to the latest Brexit hot take: “It would do the country good to go without food” https://t.co/U2vT1SENvz

Tweeted by JimMFelton on January 28, 2019 at 10:16 PM

@fredley twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1090010668164620289

Do you agree that it would do the UK good to go without food?

fredley

@Nzall We won't go without food, we'll go without fresh food.

We have plenty of stockpiles of non-perishable food, but there's no way to stockpile e.g. salad and soft fruit.

Going without food will make us appreciate what we had. Which, to be clear, was food.

Tweeted by JimMFelton on January 29, 2019 at 10:07 AM in reply to JimMFelton

Nzall

So you won't die of starvation, but you will die of scurvy. Got it

fredley

← 6 messages moved from The Bridge

Nzall

13:00

Look again 👀 …it could save lives. If you see something suspicious, like someone buying knives, hammers and other objects that could be used to cause harm - ACT. Reporting it won’t ruin lives, but it might save them 📲 http://www.gov.uk/ACT #ActionCountersTerrorism https://t.co/TZ7PV4EHrl

Tweeted by TerrorismPolice on January 28, 2019 at 3:31 PM

@fredley Looks like your government wants to go full on Police State

Wipqozn

BBC News - Brexit: Theresa May will ask the EU to reopen Brexit deal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47037365

@Nzall It'll help you better roleplay as a pirate

Tim Stone

13:46

Colombia's foreign minister says his government doesn't know why U.S. national security adviser John Bolton had "5,000 troops to Colombia" written on a notepad he held during a news conference announcing new Venezuela sanctions https://cbsn.ws/2RTGRUr

Tweeted by CBSNews on January 29, 2019 at 1:35 PM

🤷🏼‍♂️

Memor-X

@TimStone doesn't Colombia share a border with Venezuela?

Nzall

@Memor-X Yup, and most of the border is farmland, which is ideal for mass troop movements

Memor-X

14:05

@Nzall either it's a brilliant move to "leak" this to make the president of a crumbling government start getting paranoid about a US attack from a neighbour or this is sheer incompetence in leaking one of your plans like this

or it's all fake and he just walked out with a blank notepad to look important and dude this is the internet how do you not think that someone is going add something to that

Nzall

@Memor-X It's real though. Many major news outlets are reporting on it, including Japan Times, CNN, Telegraph,...

Nzall

14:22

I did make a Skeptics question, but then I thought "this is a news conference attended by hundreds of journalists, how would they fabricate something like this?"

Tim Stone

14:41

The Trump administration says the federal workers who essentially forced an end to the government shutdown with a sickout will not receive back pay. https://m.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2019/01/how-trump-administration-handling-pay-and-benefits-shutdown-impacted-feds/154450/

Tweeted by BFriedmanDC on January 29, 2019 at 2:27 PM

MBraedley

@TimStone I'm sure those workers will find a work around, like "If you won't dock me a sick day, then dock me a vacation day."

BradC

15:17

@MBraedley Its just as likely many of those workers will find a workaround like "go work for a private employer".

MBraedley

@BradC Doesn't necessarily solve their back pay problems, though.

BradC

@MBraedley nope, just their future pay problems.

GodEmperorDune

15:48

@TimStone way to be a jerk OPM

My latest: Some DEMS want to turn the tables on @AOC, trying to plot a primary challenge against the rising Democratic star and social-media sensation https://thehill.com/homenews/house/427364-some-dems-float-idea-of-primary-challenge-for-ocasio-cortez

Tweeted by scottwongDC on January 29, 2019 at 1:47 PM

Lol they can want to, I doubt it will happen

Unionhawk

hi im mike bloomberg vote for me for ny-14

GodEmperorDune

You’re going to find someone to the left of AOC with better charisma?

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Oh, I thought this was a "centrist" challenge.

Unionhawk

no they're looking for someone to the right

wait

right?

Yuuki

The article doesn't really talk about political ideology.

It seems more like there were some rumors floating that AOC and a grass-roots group were planning on unseating a current Democratic Black Caucus representative.

Nzall

15:59

I assume given that AOC is one of the most leftist politicians in the house right now, they want to replace her with someone a bit closer to the rest of the party

Yuuki

If I'm to take this article at face value, it's not about political ideology really.

Unionhawk

If you believe that then I think Jared Kushner has a building to sell you

Nzall

@Unionhawk If it's Trump Tower, I'd love to buy it so I can demolish it

Yuuki

If you think that everyone is always about political ideology only and has no interest in protecting their in-groups, then I think Kushner already sold you that building.

Unionhawk

"protecting their in-groups" is ideological

even if it is just iron law of institutions too

@Nzall 666 Fifth, though it apparently sold finally in August

GodEmperorDune

16:03

Lol if they are going to try to replace AOC with a centrist, good luck

Unionhawk

they've got the money but we have the people

GodEmperorDune

AOC is perhaps the best democrat at social media right now, I dunno why they’d want to give that up

It’s not like she’ll stop tweeting once out of office

Yuuki

Gotta love those "centrists" who are willing to turn on a dime against progressive Democrats but "we need to come to the table and compromise" with far-right hucksters.

Tim Stone

whispers It's because they're sociopaths beholden to the donor class

Unionhawk

the name of this trash can is ideology (and class interests)

Tim Stone

16:14

I know we dunked on Schultz plenty already but come on

.@HowardSchultz on @KamalaHarris' healthcare comments last night: "Senator Harris...saying she wanted to abolish the insurance industry. That's not correct. That's not American. What's next? What industry are we gonna abolish next, the coffee industry?" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/howard-schultz-former-starbucks-ceo-on-an-independent-2020-run-i-think-i-can-beat-the-system/

Tweeted by JTHVerhovek on January 29, 2019 at 3:32 PM

1. That's a huge tell dude
2. Yes, absolutely. We are tearing down all the Starbucks and turning them into clinics. Done deal

Unionhawk

Actually it is correct

Tim Stone

But imagine making a joke that belies your actual concern, threats to your business interests

Unionhawk

He somehow found a level beyond access to affordable healthcare

"Everyone should have the right to access quality healthcare"

or something to that effect

Yuuki

@TimStone "What industry are we gonna abolish next, slavery?" - Howard Schultz, 170 years ago

Then again, no.

Unionhawk

I'm glad we're going to have fun with Howard, it's better than getting extremely pissed off at the former california attorney general's campaign speeches from that time

Yuuki

16:18

Slavery and health insurance are at least somewhat more related than health insurance and coffee, I think.

Tim Stone

Baltimore DA Marilyn Mosby to cease all marijuana prosecutions. "If you ask that mom whose son was killed where she would rather us spend our time... on solving that murder or prosecuting marijuana laws — it’s a no-brainer." https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/us/baltimore-marijuana-possession.html

Tweeted by davidminpdx on January 29, 2019 at 4:17 PM

> "Fox & Friends" host hits Kushner: He "hurt" Trump's "first two years" by blocking Christie from admin

It's pretty funny because this is absolutely true and also a sick burn that Christie is a better option than the people there

The guy that shut down the beaches and then went on those same beaches being the most competent one in the room, whew

BradC

@TimStone Yes, the ultimate goal is to replace the (for profit) health insurance industry with a larger, single, (not for profit) government-run single-payer.

I think it is responsible to acknowledge that this is a big deal; and will take time, and expertise, and will be difficult to do right.

Unionhawk

it is actually unamerican to oppose my class interests - howard 2020

BradC

But there is a rhetorical approach on single-payer healthcare that I am dearly hoping that some of the 2020 candidates take:

(Everyone rightly focuses on stories about those who can't get any or enough health care; those should continue to be an important part of the story)

But what about focusing on how this will save money? (Yes, you have to divert money that both individuals and corporations now put into health insurance premiums and other out-of-pocket costs. But at the end of the day, both businesses and individuals will save money)

Unionhawk

16:33

I think it is important to do both

Because while this is Correct just from a pure "you don't have to pay Cigna's shareholders anymore" standpoint

it is more importantly Right, morally speaking

BradC

What about focusing on how good this will be for small and independent businesses? How many more people would venture out and start businesses if they knew they wouldn't lose coverage?

Unionhawk

There is that too yeah, "people say an important part of staying in their current job is their healthcare," "actually that sucks"

BradC

What about how good this will be for entire professions full of independent and contract workers (authors, adjust professors, artists, etc)?

@Unionhawk Exactly! How many people would choose a job they'd love more, if healthcare wasn't such a big part of the calculation?

Or take a year off to write a novel

Or stay home with their kids

Or take care of their elderly parents

This is the ultimate pro-business plan

Employers wouldn't have to manage (educate/negotiate/etc) their employee health care plans.

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune skeptics.stackexchange.com did Howard Schultz come from the projects

BradC

How many people might go back to school if they knew they wouldn't lose coverage? Or take time off to tour the country?

Mad Scientist

16:41

@BradC it's a bit odd that the discussion in the US focuses on a single provide. You can have healthcare for everyone with multiple providers inside a common framework. Germany has a rather weird system, and parts of it are certainly not something to copy, but we have several different public insurance companies and private ones.

Unionhawk

@MadScientist The idea is that when there is one buyer representing 300m people, the negotiating power of that buyer goes up

BradC

@MadScientist Yeah, there are somewhat different models, even among current talking points ("Medicare for all" isn't exactly the same as "single-payer", for example)

Unionhawk

That's currently the case with medicare, every other insurance company pays like medicare+20%, depending, all negotiated per company

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune Out of curiosity where is this place?

Mad Scientist

I think the German public health insurers negotiate together, but I'm not sure how it works

BradC

16:44

I can also see one morphing into the other; if the government option is better (because it scales based on income, for example), then it naturally replaces private plans over time, except for special niches

(Even moreso if our tax money goes into the plan no matter what, and we are faced with a "free" (already paid by my taxes) plan vs an out-of-pocket plan)

Mad Scientist

The big decision is to decide that everyone gets healthcare. You have to decide how much people have to pay for it, and the government has to pay it for everyone that can't afford it. But after that there are many ways to implement the details

MBraedley

And also the base level of healthcare that everyone gets.

Mad Scientist

public healthcare here costs 7.3% of your income up to ~4500 EUR per month. And your employer pays the same amount additionally.

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 It seems like his every criticism is word-for-word "that's not American".

As if American values were set in stone.

BradC

I think public opinion and momentum are on the side of some version of a public plan. None of the usual objections seem to be all that persuasive any more:

"But some people have to wait in Canada!" "Perhaps, but people in the US are literally dying right now."

Mad Scientist

16:57

the biggest danger is a bad implementation of a reasonable idea. You're distributing a shitload of money in a public healthcare system

BradC

"But it would be expensive." "Actually, no, it would save money. And nobody would go bankrupt for medical reasons. And nobody would have to decide between their medicine and their electric bill"

"But it would be hard!" "Yep, it would. So let's get started."

ToxicFrog

@MadScientist honestly even an incredibly wasteful implementation would probably be an improvement, since right now US healthcare is, IIRC, the most expensive in the world per capita by a large margin

Unionhawk

Yep

Per procedure too, typically

ToxicFrog

(while also producing mediocre results)

Unionhawk

like, even for fairly standard procedures across the entire world like an MRI

we spend more for worse health outcomes

puzzlepiece87

17:00

@MBraedley No, you can't take vacation during those situations.

Mad Scientist

@ToxicFrog it's probably hard not to beat the current system in price, but I'm more imagining a gigantic bureaucratic mess collapsing onto itself when the system is launched. That's a worst-case scenario, of course

BradC

17:26

NEW: A House Democrat is seeking answers about an alleged business deal Steven Mnuchin had with an associate of a Russian oligarch whose companies received sanctions relief https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmaloop/steven-mnuchin-deripaska-russia-sanctions-jackie-speier?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc

Tweeted by BuzzFeedNews on January 29, 2019 at 4:40 PM

puzzlepiece87

> Doc prescribed 4-yr-old pot cookies

bwahaha

BradC

@puzzlepiece87 Can't tell if that's referring to very old cookies, or a very young patient.

puzzlepiece87

Never too early to start apparently.

Yuuki

@BradC Or feeding an inanimate object baked goods.

BradC

Or perhaps an unusually lengthy method for making cookies using a pot.

user15026

17:40

@Yuuki okay, yep, I see that interpretation now too

BradC

But I'll take the break-and-bake quick method myself

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 I've known young humans prescribed pot for various things (a lot of seizure disorders, various other things).

puzzlepiece87

@Ash Ah, thanks for informing me. I saw something similar in the comments and learned also. Thanks again!

Tim Stone

@Yuuki turns to the house plants EAT YOUR DESSERT

user15026

No problem! I worked as a PSW for a number of years, so I saw all sorts of stuff. (This is also where I gained my "I can make your bed (changed sheets and all) WITH YOU IN IT and you just have to roll over twice (or I can roll you over if needed)" skill

BradC

17:57

Trump: Aide-turned-author Cliff Sims violated non-disclosure agreement https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/29/donald-trump-cliff-sims-team-of-vipers/2708590002/

Tweeted by USATODAY on January 29, 2019 at 5:33 PM

Sorry, Trump. Your non-disclosure agreement is nonenforceable (and illegal)

Yuuki

@BradC B-b-b-but he said he wouldn't talk about the crimes!!!

Tim Stone

Yeah I'm not sure if there are like....people who believe they actually went forward with that the last time and won, or something?

Because it seems like a dumb thing to keep saying when you know they're not going to follow through with the lawsuit

So since it's not an intimidating threat since it's so toothless I'm not sure who the audience for it is

BradC

From former Starbucks CEO and chairman @HowardSchultz: A third-party centrist candidate like me could win the presidency in 2020 https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/29/howard-schultz-2020-third-party-independent-centrist-starbucks-column/2701143002/

Tweeted by usatodayopinion on January 29, 2019 at 2:02 PM

Tim Stone

(Trump obviously just says dumb stuff but the campaign COO claims they're filing a suit which they won't)

BradC

No. Go away.

@TimStone (not you, Schultz)

Tim Stone

18:02

Hahah yeah, I figured ;)

GodEmperorDune

18:57

Great story by @drewharwell on Elon Musk's 150,000 miles of private jet travel in 2018, paid for by Tesla: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/elon-musks-highflying-2018-what-150000-miles-in-a-private-jet-reveal-about-his-excruciating-year/2019/01/29/83b5604e-20ee-11e9-8b59-0a28f2191131_story.html?utm_term=.0e10ba98ad67

Tweeted by laura_nelson on January 29, 2019 at 6:51 PM

puzzlepiece87

Very happy and cool article about the slot car racing hobby - brighten your day here

cc @GodEmperorDune @Ash

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 a leftist group on discord

puzzlepiece87

> In that last article picture Frank "Buzz" Perri looks genuinely happy. Like all is well with the world.

GodEmperorDune

@Ash ok that sounds like a legendary skill

@BradC when your rebuttal is "you're not allowed to say that", it speaks volumes

@TimStone or follow through and have a joyous discovery phase

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune I literally just left Arqade yesterday since you all do voice chat and I can't participate, but if you send me another invite (the link from months ago is expired) I'll join you on there and follow further to the dunks.

(Where by send me another invite I mean post the code here or point me towards it)

user15026

19:05

@GodEmperorDune I am rather proud of it!

user15026

I mean it isn't entirely useful now that I am not a PSW but still

puzzlepiece87

Oct 2 '18 at 18:36, by Yuuki

https://discord.gg/hF27RKH

That's the expired one

Btw @Yuuki that did end up being helpful less than a month later when I needed help in Chicago - thanks for linking me even though I ended up dropping out yesterday.

Yuuki

Here's an invite link, it should give you membership but it'll expire by tomorrow: discord.gg/CGVPkk

fredley

Here’s 40 seconds of people saying “Jeremy Cunt” instead of “Jeremy Hunt”, possibly by mistake. https://t.co/tLMAMUqVN8

Tweeted by PaulCarmichaelV on January 28, 2019 at 8:30 PM

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Thanks, done, you can kill it now if needed.

Yuuki

19:14

@fredley pls baleet

Unionhawk

It's fine it'll expire

I can manually expire it but, eh

Yuuki

I figure but you never know with scrapers.

Unionhawk

worst case scenario we get one more spammer

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki My thought exactly.

Unionhawk

who gets immediately banned

puzzlepiece87

19:16

How effective are the bot-driven welcome pages where you have to tap the correct reaction to get a posting role?

Unionhawk

it's revoked though

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 No idea.

GodEmperorDune

@fredley not really appropriate for the room

Unionhawk

You can also generate 24h/1 use links which are nice

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk you're revoked

puzzlepiece87

19:17

@GodEmperorDune Agreed.

Yuuki

@Unionhawk I was lazy and didn't press an extra button.

puzzlepiece87

@TimStone It's nice to have other people at my maturity level.

@Unionhawk Indeed. I'm a server owner for a mobile game, so I've seen the backend.

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 I thought you were in Chicago not Alabama.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Missouri but I was in Chicago that weekend and found someone who needed serious medical help but couldn't afford it.

@Unionhawk helped me a bit just trying to figure out what could be done

Yuuki

That's still not Alabama though.

Tim Stone

19:19

@Yuuki boo

puzzlepiece87

@TimStone I thought that one was pretty bad too lol, I tried to politely ignore it but then he doubled down xD

+1 for effort +1 for knowledge of mid-sized American cities -15 for lack of (actual) humor xD

I still appreciate you though @Yuuki xD

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 There is no knowledge too obscure to learn in the pursuit of wordplay.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Fully agreed haha

Trump’s missile defense strategy: Build wall in space, make allies pay for it

> Second verse
Same as the first
A little bit louder
and a little bit worse

> So, an idea so poorly thought out and impossible to achieve that it sounds like a lobbyist-conceived grift. Gee, what a coincidence that our acting SecDef also happens to be a former top Boeing exec.

user15026

19:38

Calling it a wall is a little disingenuous, I pictured the US in a bubble :P But I like how he just seems to think he can just....ask allies to pay for it and they will?

Yuuki

19:53

@puzzlepiece87 ... what?

> We will terminate any missile launches from anywhere, even if it's a mistake.

I am amused at the assumption that this wasn't already part of our missile defense policy.

"Oh, Russia launched an ICBM at us but they said it was a whoopsies so we'll just go ahead and let it in land in Nebraska."

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki yep, no one previously thought of stopping the missiles before they land

genius move by the trump admin

@Ash yeah i was thinking a dyson sphere type thing and that would actually be extremely impressive

Unionhawk

"we're going to build an iron dome around the united states, it's going to be great. iron is very strong" "sir that isn't--"

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk perhaps we should make some sort of "iron curtain" instead

Unionhawk

(the joke is Iron Dome is the brand name of an israeli missile defense system)

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk sorry i have BDSed your joke

Yuuki

20:06

@Unionhawk Trump would definitely call it the Steel Dome instead.

BradC

20:20

#BREAKING: Stacey Abrams to deliver Dems’ State of the Union response https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/abrams-deliver-dems-state-the-union-response/2Oo3TTBaQB8OMaRNhBoc9L/

Tweeted by ajc on January 29, 2019 at 8:00 PM

epic choice!

Yuuki

@BradC So there's going to be a SotU after all.

Unionhawk

yeah I think feb 5 or something

they decided basically "no we can't do it tomorrow but with a week to plan that's fine"

Yuuki

Another thing to add to the list, I suppose.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki the SOTU was always going to happen after the shutdown was lifted

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Lifted? There's a more permanent funding solution now or is it still just the three weeks?

GodEmperorDune

20:24

@Yuuki well less than 3 weeks now

Yuuki

Then it's still going on the list of caves.

Unionhawk

I mean it occurring annually is literally Article II Section 3

(actually that just says "from time to time")

fredley

Gbp is really low, I should take this opportunity to invest in Gbp

MBraedley

@fredley It's not as low as it can go

user15026

𝗨𝗣𝗗𝗔𝗧𝗘: 'Empire' Star Jussie Smollett Beaten in Homophobic Attack By MAGA Supporters http://tmz.me/yQL6tYO

Tweeted by TMZ on January 29, 2019 at 4:22 PM

user15026

20:36

This is fucked up

GodEmperorDune

@Ash yep and they're still not calling it a racist attack

not sure how yelling racial slurs and tying a noose around the neck of a black person doesn't qualify it as racist, but here we are

user15026

Yeah, I thought that was an interesting, albeit frustrating, omission

Nzall

@GodEmperorDune Everybody knows an attack is either homophobic or racist, never both at the same time. Because who would want 2 charges of hate crimes for the same assault /s

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