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4:00 PM
Does the USA have something like what we have here? Any kind of loan (even for like a phone) is required to, in any advertisement, clearly note that borrowing money costs money
 
@Kevin Sure; buried in pages of fine print.
 
probably, but payday lenders can charge like 300% in most states
 
@Kevin Only to the extent that the interest rate needs to be advertised somewhere.
 
 
And I don't think people misunderstand how loans work; I think they just don't have any other choice
 
4:01 PM
That or variations there of are legally required to be put into any advertisement
"Caution! Borrowing money costs money" is the translation
Or perhaps "Be aware!" is more accurate then caution
 
@Kevin same in Belgium, AFAIK
 
(The logo is cute, person with a ball-and-chain kind of thing except the ball is a euro logo)
 
Are there any Muslim banks in the US? Those are not allowed to charge interest according to their religion
 
no
 
@Nzall Not that I'm aware of? Can't imagine a bank that couldn't charge interest would survive
 
4:04 PM
There are according to google
 
Regarding when/if the shutdown will end, I think people need to come to grips that it might not (ever). Some believe this is a deliberate strategy:
Two quotes you need to read side by side. 1. From Trump 2. From Trump's chief strategist, Steve Bannon Spread this widely.
 
And it works in that they don't charge money, but basically you partner with them to buy $thing and then they lease you their part of $thing and let you buy parts of it from them periodically
 
> "You know what solves it?" [Trump] said of America's sorry state. "When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster. Then you'll have a [chuckles], you know, you'll have riots to go back to where we used to be when we were great.
(Donald Trump, Fox news, 2014)
 
"lenin wanted to destroy the state" is a bold claim
lmao
 
Because the religion has things against getting money for purely lending money I think? So they have a work-around because of cooourse it's only the letter of the rule that counts
Islamic banking or Islamic finance (Arabic: مصرفية إسلامية‎) or sharia-compliant finance is banking or financing activity that complies with sharia (Islamic law) and its practical application through the development of Islamic economics. Some of the modes of Islamic banking/finance include Mudarabah (profit-sharing and loss-bearing), Wadiah (safekeeping), Musharaka (joint venture), Murabahah (cost-plus), and Ijara (leasing). Sharia prohibits riba, or usury, defined as interest paid on all loans of money (although some Muslims dispute whether there is a consensus that interest is equivalent to riba...
 
4:07 PM
@Unionhawk well, that's Bannon's belief, so whether it is historically justified is secondary to Bannon's desire to "bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today's establishment"
 
@TimStone @Ash Thank you for starting my day off with hearty laughter.
 
@Wipqozn I didn't even do any research, the bottom line is they just don't like his hairstyle
Imo anyway
How dare you tell me how to wear my hair right?
It's mine
That's just how I see things i guess
 
@Yuuki (Insert Pam "Yup" meme here)
 
@Yuuki The Hill is now apparently reporting this as there was an election (there wasn't)
 
4:21 PM
"We may finally have found the long-elusive cause of Alzheimer’s disease: Porphyromonas gingivalis, the key bacteria in chronic gum disease." https://www.newscientist.com/article/2191814-we-may-finally-know-what-causes-alzheimers-and-how-to-stop-it/
Seems like something that will need a lot of follow up confirmation but whew would that be some shit
I would like to remind everyone that there is at least one Republican willing to vote affirmatively on the Dem Senate proposal today
So, naturally,
JUST IN: Dem Manchin to back Trump proposal to end shutdown http://hill.cm/7W1qaEl
🙄
 
Manchin was the one who voted for Kavanaugh, right?
 
Yes
 
they misspelled Rep tbh
 
@TimStone Brush your teeth, kids?
 
Remember when Ojeda won a state senate seat and then instead of running to replace Manchin later he quit the state senate and is running for President because everything's really dumb?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
 
4:34 PM
@TimStone there seems to be multiple independent lines of evidence pointing to the same thing already, so good news
 
New: Sky News reporters have just been told 32 cameras and microphones are being installed all around their newsrooms. Sky News is going to livestream everything that happens in the newsroom online and on a dedicated channel from 5:30am to 10:30pm, calling it “Sky News Raw”.
Yeah that's definitely not sociopathic
 
@TimStone If news reporting is like most desk jobs I know about, that's going to be boring as hell and no one is going to watch the stream.
 
I mean except probably the conspiracy theorists that are going to analyze every movement and then start harassment campaigns or something
It's just a very bad and useless idea all around
 
@TimStone that would be some shit wow agreed, this seems like very important news
 
Hi all. So some sad news. As of this morning, HuffPost's opinion section is no more. I and the rest of the team have been let go.
Hmmm on the one hand op-ed sections are dumb because publications lack restraint on the other hand ugh media is really screwing folks over this week
 
4:44 PM
@TimStone Pretty much my thoughts.
It really sucks that they're out of a job but also op-eds are horrible.
 
@Yuuki Sorry, I don't agree. Clearly I don't agree with many op-eds, but that's kind of the point.
 
I'm not saying op-eds are horrible because I disagree with a number of them and I'm concerned that's what you got from it.
 
@Yuuki No, I didn't assume that's what you meant
But I think the op-ed page (broadly speaking) is a valuable part of journalism.
That's where you get candidate endorsements during elections; that's where you get "we should impeach Trump now" columns that can't appear in the "news" section
 
@BradC those are typically editorials
 
I just don't think Mitch McConnell should be allowed to write articles instead of holding votes to reopen the government
 
4:52 PM
@MadScientist editorials.... on the op-ed page
Aren't those one and the same?
 
Also Bari Weiss and Meghan McArdle and co are just...they're just bad. We should not be paying them and not paying these other people
 
If chuck schumer really wants to prove that he's not spineless, why does he not simply turn mitch mcconnell onto his back, rendering him immobile, until he agrees
 
Now that Joe Manchin has predictably forsaken us and will clearly not engage in fisticuffs I will accept this as the appropriate plan B
 
An op-ed, short for "opposite the editorial page" or "opinion editorial", is a written prose piece typically published by a newspaper or magazine which expresses the opinion of an author usually not affiliated with the publication's editorial board. Op-eds are different from both editorials (opinion pieces submitted by editorial board members) and letters to the editor (opinion pieces submitted by readers). == Origin == The direct ancestor to the modern op-ed page was created in 1921 by Herbert Bayard Swope of The New York Evening World. When Swope took over as editor in 1920, he realized that...
 
Op-eds are one of those things that sound good in theory but then they devolve into something horrible because people didn't understand necessary constraints. Kinda like FPTP voting back in the 1700s.
 
4:58 PM
so, opinion pieces by staff vs opinion pieces by outside parties, then? I didn't get the impression that the Huffpo tweet was slicing that finely; sounds like the entire section of the website was being eliminated
 
@MadScientist Editorials are often found in the Opinion section of a newspaper, because there usually isn't an Editorial section (either at all or in addition to an opinion section).
 
I'm actually surprised that they're cutting the Opinions section given that clickbait is what drives revenue (not claiming that HuffPost is an egregious example of this by any means stares directly at The Hill)
 
@TimStone Yep
 
House GOP Chair @RepLizCheney: It is time for the Democratic Party to have an intervention with the Speaker and do what’s right for their party and institution and country
Bold move suggesting that the House Speaker should [redacted by lawyer instruction]
 
@TimStone What's the right thing to do?
 
5:05 PM
@MBraedley capitulate to their demands 100%
obviously
 
Ahh, makes sense
 
and then do it again when they pull this shit again in 6 months
 
@TimStone counteroffers in Civilization Actually how about you give me all of your cities and rare resources and money for 1 gold?
 
i am going to kill 1 hostage every hour until you let me kill this specific other group of hostages
 
Good segment from Joy Reid on The Last Word last night on whether the Democrats should "give in" on this money:
"The money that Congress has been given by us is not... a binky, it's not there to just make Donald Trump behave." @JoyAnnReid discusses the shutdown with @Lawrence #lastword #msnbc https://t.co/azRT54Ylg1
 
5:12 PM
@TimStone Incidentally, NPR keeps having Republican representatives on during the drive home and this has been their main point. I have not yet heard from a single Democrat during that time on the radio. Nice job on that fair reporting, guys.
 
@Yuuki I've stopped listening to NPR politics podcasts. Too much "sports sideline analysis"-style, without actually evaluating the claims of either side. Chest deep in "both-sidesism"
 
A man cited his virginity as reason he planned to kill ‘as many girls’ as he could, police say #incel https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2019/01/22/man-cited-his-virginity-reason-he-planned-kill-many-girls-he-could-police-say/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.e5b071095450
 
"Sure, Trump wants to put kids in cages, but aren't you concerned that the Democrats haven't quite worked out the 7th significant digit of their proposed budget ideas yet?"
 
My understanding is that the Florida bank shooter yesterday also targeted women specifically?
 
5:18 PM
CBS poll echoing the same
 
@BradC I'd say something about the "border situation" but then I realized that both crises are problems of the administration's own making. Literally solvable with "don't be a jerk".
 
JUST IN: President Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen has been subpoenaed to testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee in mid-February, according to a source close to Cohen https://cnn.it/2G2hIjh
so no longer a "voluntary interview"
 
This is the Senate Intelligence Committee too and not the Dems in the House, it will be interesting to see what Burr does now that he doesn't have Nunes running a circus in the House as a distraction
 
5:38 PM
@TimStone True. The prior scheduled appearance (that he recently attempted to cancel/postpone) was in front of the House Oversight Committee
 
Me: “That’s not volunteering if you’re forced to work without pay and if you don’t show up you lose your job. That’s not what volunteering means.” Kudlow: “You know what? I’m not even gonna go there. You know what I’m saying, it’s very clear.”
Narrator: It was clear, to be fair, that he was just saying bullshit
Actual volunteering during a shutdown is illegal, as a reminder
 
5:56 PM
I can't help but wonder if we're heading for something like a general strike (a strike of all laborers in all professions), which hasn't happened in the US in over 70 years
The Oakland general strike took place on December 3, 1946, in Oakland, California. The strike followed an earlier strike by 400 female employees of Hastings and Kahn’s, who had walked out in the fall of 1946 because of the resistance Oakland’s retail merchants had to unionization. == Attempts to Organize Kahn's and Hastings == Attempts to organize the Oakland department stores of Kahn's and Hastings began in the summer of 1946 by Al Kidder, a war veteran who had recently returned home. Kidder was working in the shoe department at Kahn's in 1946. His mother had been working in the Kahn's "ready...
I can see that
 
@TimStone Honestly I'm starting to seriously think that the only way this will end is if the US population storm Washington with the aim to overthrow the government.
 
@BradC Ha! We can't even get general support for unions as a thing.
 
Because there's no end in sight to this outside of the next federal election, but by there's no way the populace will let it go on that long
 
@Wipqozn I'm definitely a solid "we'll see" on that. The shutdown is affecting large numbers of relatively powerless people but not large portions of the population overall. It would have been a different story if people couldn't get their tax returns or something like that.
I'm definitely not confident that the care level about the shutdown is going to exceed mild exasperation.
 
@puzzlepiece87 I do not believe the IRS will be able to process tax returns, despite administration assurances
 
6:06 PM
In opposition, the American electoral history of not giving a fig about shutdowns come election time
 
Tax returns could very well be the "but this impacts ME" moment
 
@BradC No sorry
Trump has already declared like a dozen new groups exempt simply due to lobbyist request
There is no chance that Trump declares the IRS people needed exempt, and then a Democrat takes him to court saying it's actually illegal for those people to work
No chance they're going to send a message to the general population saying they can't have their tax returns
 
@puzzlepiece87 I know he's trying that, but its unclear whether that effort will be successful. Remember that those he declares "essential" are being forced back to work, but still without their own pay
 
@BradC The government cracks down hard when government workers strike.
Reagan literally fired all of the air traffic controllers.
 
@Yuuki there are ways to slowdown without striking
and ultimately workers can just quit
 
6:10 PM
the labor movement as it exists now is... weak
 
@puzzlepiece87 That's pretty depressing
 
unfortunately
 
it's not a good option, but it is an available one
 
@GodEmperorDune I think that's one of the bigger risks here; that dedicated civil servants will move on and get a job in the private sector
 
it doesn't help that we don't have any kind of labor party
 
6:11 PM
And even after a shutdown ends, the federal workforce will be without its best workers
 
@puzzlepiece87 only counterpoint i have is that this time MIGHT be different in that people are paying more attention to politics and this has gone on longer than any previous shutdown
 
@BradC If I had to bet on what causes more immediate pressure then tax returns, I'd bet on major delays at LaGuardia and Atlanta due to TSA shortages.
 
@BradC for certain conservatives this is a feature and not a bug
 
@GodEmperorDune Countercounter 2 years until 2020.
 
@GodEmperorDune I know; which is why repubs have more leverage when it comes to shutdowns; they literally LIKE it that things break
 
6:13 PM
As much as I dislike TSA, they are not the types that can afford to miss paychecks. In addition to that, TSA is new enough and a shitty enough job you don't have a large portion of the workforce with a government pension coming in the foreseeable future.
 
Whereas Dems actually want the government to work well
Such a novel concept :rolleyes:
 
Unlike for example the FBI
 
i mean we have the air traffic controllers union saying that this thing is unsustainable, even without striking it is going to fuck up air travel
 
@GodEmperorDune That one is too easy to divert blame though. I bet most people with delayed planes or whatever will blame the airlines or airport or whatever.
 
tired and overworked people make mistakes and crashes make news
 
6:15 PM
However security gates simply being closed due to lack of available workers and 2-3 hour long lines to get in will bring unavoidable blame.
@GodEmperorDune True and hopefully that doesn't happen but they also aren't keeping up the same schedules as before.
They're spacing things out more and other sane compromises.
It's a more complicated blame situation that I don't have confidence Joe Public will be able to navigate, basically.
Joe Public is certainly not paying attention to air traffic controller union president statements
 
God forbid this shutdown last until spring break.
 
Noooooo America wtf
Absolutely enraging
@BradC Thanks for sharing this...
 
> Defendant was sentenced to an indeterminate period of incarceration of 4 to 8 years. We reduce this sentence, in the interest of justice, to an indeterminate period of incarceration of 3 to 6 years.
 
relatedly:
ok how is CHRIS CUOMO giving a better response to the “BUT VENEZUELA!” people than like 90% of progressives and even many Democratic Socialists https://t.co/PruGNoog9H
(he goes in on eliminating poverty as a crime prevention method, in part)
CMON STEVE
 
6:26 PM
@Unionhawk Yep, lol. "CMON STEVE"
Great arguments, actually. "Hunger is 100% preventable" "How??" "You give people food, stupid! CMON STEVE"
 
6:43 PM
@Unionhawk Chris Cuomo is a land of many contrasts, huh
 
@TimStone I don't understand
because yeah he's normally standard center-right CNN guy
like literally every other CNN guy
 
Yeah I just meant he said something stupid like last week but then he's here with this and it's like how come this isn't your default mode
 
he probably said something stupid yesterday
the man has a weekdays show
 
@Unionhawk The latest heat he got was a couple days ago he tweeted something about the "new birther" attacks against Sen Kamala Harris, something about "requiring proof"
 
Ahhh right that's what it was
I knew there was something
 
6:49 PM
I agree with all of this. The tweet was meant to put onus on accuser. Not Harris. That is the lesson of birtherism. Deleting original tweet to make this clear. Apologies. https://twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1087765160238989315
 
7:30 PM
.@SenatorBennet responds to @Sentedcruz: "These crocodile tears that the Senator from Texas is crying for first responders are too hard for me to take." https://t.co/g4FBxdfiGY
 
Regarding whether federal tax returns will get processed during the shutdown:
 
@TimStone Bennet is pissed here
 
> The IRS is facing tax season amid the shutdown with new rules that could complicate filing for millions of Americans — and a potential shortage of workers to handle the returns — raising the possibility of refund delays and angry taxpayers.
 
I'm not quite sure why we still owe taxes for the time the government is shut down
 
@SaintWacko Lol, you're welcome to try that approach during your inevitable audit. Good luck :)
> Abstinence-only proponent Valerie Huber will move to a new position in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Global Affairs, worrying reproductive health advocates and experts who believe she could push her agenda into the global arena. ...She previously served as senior policy advisor for the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health.
> An unnamed department official told Politico that Huber is 'expected to strip references to sexual and reproductive health as well as sex education from the agency's global health documents,' and advocates say that move would have widespread repercussions.
 
7:36 PM
@fredley Goddammit, why do you have to have Brexit going on right now, I'd totally be up for rejoining the Union.
Empire?
:shrugs:
 
7:49 PM
> If Marie Kondo is the high priestess of burned-out Millennials, Fyre Festival was their summer solstice. In 2017, a large adult grifter named Billy McFarland
"large adult grifter" heh
 
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@puzzlepiece87 I don't understand what Marie Kondo has to do with this even as a weird "look at me makin' metaphors", also, wtf does that mean, "Fyre Festival was their summer solstice" like all of those words don't make ANY SENSE>
 
@Ash I think she was the one that held some seminars and advertised them with certain things that didn't happen
 
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8:06 PM
@SaintWacko Marie Kondo is the tidying up lady with the Netflix special
 
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If you're talking about the Instagram influencer with the book deal and the salads and the mason jars and the workships and all that, completely different person
 
Yep. I think its just a reference to her "unclutter your life" cleaning series on Netflix, with the "if it doesn't bring you joy" meme, that the middle-class, middle-age set seem to be fawning over
 
@Ash Oh. Yeah, that's who I was thinking of
No idea, then
 
Oh sorry y'all
 
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Right, but what does that have to do with Fyre Fest and how do you connect all that with high priestesses and summer solsitces like what are tehy trying to actually say
 
8:08 PM
Dunno. Where is that quote from?
 
I just thought it was a fun sentence that included very TIF-like phrase "large adult grifter"
 
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@puzzlepiece87 haha fair, I just am like "your metaphors are bad and you should feel bad"
 
Here's the source:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/01/marie-kondo-fyre-fraud-and-tvs-millennial-burnout/580753/
 
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(It does remind me of the "large adult son" references)
 
It's about the millenials basically so it has high amounts of bullshit as all generational articles do, but it was talking about performative living and burnout basically.
It was linking burnout, worrying about spatial cleanliness to show success, and needing public images of the happy life you're living to share with others
 
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8:11 PM
Yeah, reading the article and I don't hate it as a thing, it makes some reasonable points, but that whole sentence (that I understand now was them trying to tie two very disparate things together to prove a point about millennial burnout) is garbage
 
Well, both the cleaning show and the Fyre Fest documentary are trending on Netflix at the moment
 
It makes sense all together though whether it's BS or not is up to you
 
So that's probably the initial connection, in the mind of the author
 
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It was a poor attempt to be like "this thing is liek this thing" that could've been worded with a lot less silliness and stupid metaphor :P
 
@Ash Indeed it was a very large reach of a transition sentence xD 100% agree
 
8:12 PM
@puzzlepiece87 To be honest, that's not really a millennial thing. I personally don't, but I've heard stories of other people whose grandparents had a set of chinaware that they would never use.
 
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Because it's a fair point, about how all it works together to show off the whole like....us living in this public eye to feel successful and happy but it was just a silly way to transition :P
 
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@Yuuki My mom has so much of that
 
@Yuuki My parents had china they got as a wedding present that sat in a display cabinet for 30 years
 
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whereas for me I am like NO I DONT WANT ANY OF THIS CRAP AAAAAA like I really resent the "someone you know owned it so now you should" thign
 
Yep, it's for storing in a display cabinet for everyone to look at and marvel over and "this diningware has been passed down my family for generations even though it isn't really diningware because nobody's ever used them for dining".
 
8:14 PM
I am fortunate in that I am not burdened with any familial expectations like that AND we've severely downplayed gift-giving.
Mrs. Puzzle really appreciates receiving gifts so I make sure to surprise her at appropriate points but for everyone else I make sure to get stuff they actually want or need by asking them.
 
My parents and I are first-generation immigrants so everything that's heritable is back in China, thank god.
 
(Unless there's a blindingly obvious sentimental choice)
I have lots of stuff from my parents and grandparents but it was all stuff I chose to keep when my grandparents passed away or that my parents gave me while growing up that I chose to keep. I'm fortunate. I'm very lucky to have had a dresser, bookcase, some chairs, some decorative items to start out with.
 
If I ever pass stuff down to my kids, it'll be things that you can pack into a box or carry on you.
Furniture feels like it just ties people down.
 
I'll plan on asking them with no obligations
I didn't move between cities many times so I was happy to not have Ikea of the year, especially because I'm a large person who would probably make quick matchsticks out of Ikea furniture.
It was nice being able to hang on to some of the stuff that's still in great shape and has good memories with it. But I was lucky I didn't need to move all around to find a job.
 
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My maternal family is the opposite
 
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8:25 PM
They loooooove giving me stuff because "it was <x relative's>"
 
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so I have to come up with creative reasons not to take it
 
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(my current place being REALLY DAMN SMALL has helped)
 
Yeah, I'm trying to not hang on to so much stuff
 
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I know WorldEngineer doesn't have a lot of stuff really that he will be bringing up here when he can, which is good in a way because I am like trying to get rid of as much of my stuff as I can to make room for him.
 
8:46 PM
Looks like I'm not the only one to come up with the idea of a general strike to end the shutdown:
 
Good luck to them with that
I'm glad the idea exists but I give it 0% chance of success right this moment in America
Even if America was more union-friendly, with X% of people in America living paycheck to paycheck, it's just incredibly unlikely we can get significant numbers of people to stop working for something that's not affecting comparatively many.
We couldn't even get it for Obamacare repeal
 
Especially for the aviation industry. I wish them good luck but I'm sure 1981 is a pretty damn big shadow hanging over everyone.
 
@Yuuki It blows my mind that firing all those people was a successful move :(
 
9:06 PM
Schumer, on the Senate floor: "Leader McConnell has requested I go to his office."
...k?
 
thanks for keeping us updated chuck
 
lol
 
He's the Senate Majority Leader not the principal
Who could have predicted that Jared Kushner's plan wouldn't work, except literally everybody who isn't Jared Kushner or Mike Pence. https://bit.ly/2sItRBQ
lmfao
I refuse to believe that anyone but everyone in the White House thought that would work
 
guys 54 or 55 is not an overwhelming vote
(that's full hold on Rs, Manchin, Jones, Sinema, Menendez on Ds)
wait they have 53 now don't they
 
I'm not sure on the counts but Schumer's bill got more votes?
 
9:11 PM
lmao
 
Which is just like the most epic of self-owns here
 
his was just, "previous funding is continued through some time" right
 
Yeah, it's just a short-term CR, like until the end of February or something
50-47 for the GOP bill, 52-44 for the Dem bill
Republican bill had Tom Cotton and Mike Lee as holdouts for some reason, maybe it wasn't evil enough idk
Dem bill had Alexander, Collins, Gardner, Isakson, Murkowski, and Romney defect
 
check this out: whereas when people sign up to work for the federal government they expect a regular paycheck and whereas it is illegal to force people to work without pay be it therefore resolved federal employees shall be fully funded at no less than current levels indefinitely. Bam I am a legislator now.
that's how this works
you just declare yourself as elected and then the hill says there was an election that you won
 
Border patrol shares video showing migrants climbing over border wall with ladder http://hill.cm/YBcZ01C
🤔
Sen Lindsey Graham R-SC saying he just spoke on the phone with the President and floated a 3-week CR to President Trump
...k
(that was Schumer's bill both these men are dumb as hell)
100% they're going to turn around and have a Republican introduce it so they can claim victory because everything is just monumentally pointless
Trump tariffs reduce Ford UAW workers' profit-sharing checks by $750-$1850 each https://news.yahoo.com/trump-tariffs-reduce-ford-uaw-185503406.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=tw via @YahooNews
 
9:24 PM
@TimStone that.... would be idiotic, but if Trump's stupid enough to fall for it, then what the hell, I'll take it
But we'd better be 100% sure there are no poison pills in it
(page 92, paragraph 3, "Asylum seekers must go home and wait there for us to create a new process by which they can seek asylum from their home country")
 
“Leader Mitch McConnell and Senator Chuck Schumer are meeting now to see whether or not they can work out of the deadlock. As was made clear to Senator Lindsay Graham, the 3 week CR would only work if there is a large down payment on the wall,” says @PressSec
lol holy hell
 
@Unionhawk Ah just like how @TimStone is president now. I look forward to seeing you two work together.
 
@TimStone I don't really understand the last part there
 
It's basically the same as the original deal he declined except now he'll only open the government for three weeks and will...demand something else next time?
I actually don't know because it's really dumb
 
Yeah, that doesn't make sense. A CR, by definition, has no changes from prior budget
 
9:37 PM
I guess maybe he's suggesting that they agree upfront to an amount of funding they'd later give, or something?
But he's just offering increasingly less palatable deals
Ah, well
 
I think it was a twitter thread (meaning I'd never find it again), but saw a great discussion about how the "wall project" makes no sense.
not in the normal "it wouldn't work" way, but in a "you have no f'ing idea what you're talking about" way:
They have no actual design, just vague prototypes
No ecological studies have been done (required by law)
 
@BradC aren't a bunch of tweets enough?
 
No plan for obtaining land. Just like, a million actual practical things that people who don't work in that area wouldn't know.
If I remember right, this person was estimating it'd take, like 100billion to even get STARTED with the project, before a single (brick? panel? slat? section?) could be built
 
Everything Trump does is pure PR, there is no substance
 
@MadScientist Yep.
 
9:47 PM
.@SenTomCotton on his opposition to Trump immigration plan
Okay yeah I was right it wasn't evil enough for Tom Cotton
 
Actually it sounds like you don't give a shit about reopening the government my man
 
The early republic was absolutely bonkers.
I was thinking of this earlier but I didn't have the link handy and now I do
 
@TimStone I'm inordinately interested in the origins of those names.
 
.@SenatorIsakson on the ills of gov't shutdowns: "The first one under Bill Clinton produced Monica Lewinsky. That's how they got into all the trouble because she was an intern in the White House and idle hands are never good." 1/2
Feel uh
Feel like this anecdote is a bit off in the weeds
 
@TimStone the arkansas legislature was NOT FOOLING AROUND
holy shit
@TimStone yeah this is an extremely weird take that is probably disproven by facts but i am too lazy to research
 
10:00 PM
Some legislatures (Taiwan) still regularly have brawls too.
 
also usually the white house is extremely busy trying to end the shutdown during the shutdown so it's not even that idle?
@puzzlepiece87 the dude in britain grabbed the golden source of their power
 
Sen. Joe Manchin proposes a constitutional amendment which would prevent lawmakers and presidential staff from being paid in case of a shutdown. "I truly don't think anyone would self-inflict this much pain... no one is winning."
lol
I mean I agree with the premise but from the dude who can't even vote with his own party to not advance an accused attempted rapist to the Supreme Court the notion we're just gonna buckle up and pass a constitutional amendment is something
 
@TimStone bruh you don't need a constitutional amendment for that, you can do that with a regular law
 
@GodEmperorDune Actually, Clinton and Lewinsky did get to spend lots of time together during the shutdown (because unpaid interns weren't furloughed)
 
@TimStone I'm okay with lawmakers not getting paid (but that'll probably lend itself to other problems). I'm less okay with the staff not getting paid.
 
10:05 PM
@BradC i'll take your word for it, i never read the starr report
 
So that part of the story is true (at least in circumstance, not in blame)
 
@GodEmperorDune You might actually, especially if you didn't want them to be backpayed
 
It's still a weird take in that a chief concern about government shutdowns is the sanctity (or lack thereof) of marriage.
 
Listen to season 2 of Slow Burn podcast, it goes through the whole thing
very very very good
 
I guess it depends on interpretation
Does seem like everyone could just agree to not get paid though and who would complain?
@Yuuki Yeah but Stephen Miller is presumably being paid and this is at least partly his fault
 
10:07 PM
@TimStone Legislators who aren't independently wealthy
 
@TimStone fine, but as someone from california, putting small things in your constitution that cannot be fixed without another amendment later on is a BAD THING
 
@BradC Details, details (but yes absolutely)
 
@TimStone there are probably WH support staff who want nothing to do with this BS also hit
 
Yeah but no different than all the other people being screwed right now
 
> Monica Lewinsky had been a White House intern for about four months at the time of the shutdown. She was 22 years old. She had just been promoted to a permanent paid job in the Office of Legislative Affairs, but it hadn’t started yet. Under normal circumstances, she probably would have never come into close contact with the president. But the government shutdown brought them together.
 
10:09 PM
If the WH chef doesn't wash their hands and gives the president food poisoning and he ends the shutdown in a fever dream then so be it
 
@TimStone except they would not get back pay, if thats the idea
 
I'm not sure if it was or not, I just meant that there might be constitutional concerns re that aspect
And possibly others
 
@BradC This honestly sounds like the hook for a terribly dry romantic comedy.
 
The part about paying Congress says it's for services rendered but also says that the amount and whatever is determined by law so idk what the intersection is there
 
the series is highly recommended (as is season 1, which is about Watergate)
Eagerly awaiting Season 3, the Impeachment and Removal of America's greatest traitor, Donald Trump
(... I can hope?)
 
user15026
10:13 PM
@Yuuki I have read romances that like...could totally have used something like this as their blurb.
 
user15026
Like it sounds totally like a bunch of romance novel blurbs.
 
> "But you're married!"
> "I have motioned for a line-item veto on this matter."
 
CNN: The White House is preparing a draft proclamation for President Donald Trump to declare a national emergency along the southern border and has identified more than $7 billion in potential funds for his signature border wall should he go that route.
We did Nazi see this coming... Internet will welcome Earth's newest nation with, sigh, a brand new .SS extension http://reg.cx/2RkK
urghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no reason to screw South Sudan but urghhhhhhhhhhhh
 
@TimStone .sos or .ssu
Heck, "Republic of South Sudan" leaves .rss as an incredibly popular option.
Oh wait, country-level TLDs are two letters.
 
10:30 PM
Yeah
 
.su?
 
For some reason it's still in use as a holdover from the Soviet Union
Also presumably why Sudan ended up with .sd
 
There aren't really a lot of available country TLDs starting with S, and the others don't really make sense
Actually, SS is the only available two letter code starting with S for which both letters appear in the name "South Sudan"
 
I assume that would be why .ss finally got through.
 
In the end, there are only so many two-letter pairs. If you keep getting new countries, eventually one has to get a letter pair that is associated with something offensive
 
10:42 PM
Yeah, it's just unfortunate you can easily use most country TLDs for decidedly...not...country...things
So not an issue with the TLD itself existing so much as the fact it's probably going to get very dumb very quickly :|
 
I think some countries have fairly locked down domain name sales. South Sudan might be able to do the same
 
Yeah, it's possible, I'm just wary
 
@murgatroid99 Given its economic situation, I doubt they'd do that though.
 
11:08 PM
NEW: Asked if she knew what was Pres. Trump referring to by "large downpayment" on wall as part of short-term compromise to end shutdown, Speaker Pelosi replies, "I don't know if he knows what he's talking about, do you?" https://abcn.ws/2FZ9xUQ https://t.co/qM7mJhOpOs
 
@TimStone that's very similar to my first reaction ;-)
 
Meanwhile Trump has implied grocery stores are giving free food to furloughed people and used the word "mortgagees" which is a real word but also just say lenders idk
So…I think you're both right
 
user15026
11:24 PM
@TimStone Well, it's not exactly for sure yet, if I udnerstand this right
 
user15026
"'s been more than six months since the conflict was finally resolved and the issue is finally on the board agenda for approval. But even now it seems ICANN still has reservations about the introduction of ".ss." The issue is on the board's main agenda, rather than its consensus agenda, meaning that there is not unanimous agreement and a discussion of the decision is expected."
 
Yeah main not consent implies to me that they have a list of things to vote Yes on at once, then things to talk about
 
@TimStone are they carding them for the cereal first tho?
 
11:46 PM
@Ash Yeah, we'll have to see
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