This Is Fine

user15026

12:33 AM

Augh. This so not the right solution. bbc.com/news/amp/newsbeat-43499045

GodEmperorDune

1:15 AM

Computer science faces an ethics crisis. The Cambridge Analytica scandal proves it.

quartata

I mean

I think it's pretty simple

don't make a business where hiring hookers for political candidates is standard practice

that's not exclusive to CS

GodEmperorDune

this is not about the "let's make things for blackmail" it's about the "let's make a personal bubble of fake news in just the right way to make subjects do what we want"

here is another thing about weaponizing natural language processing

> In a capitalist democracy, these tools are most valuable for selling things and influencing votes, but in repressive regimes they could be useful for figuring out who needs to be silenced, amplified, frightened, or blackmailed.

murgatroid99

I don't really understand the point of that article

> I hope my research does good. But once it is published — and academics need to publish — I have no control over what happens next.

That seems like a good summary, and I don't see that there's anything we can or should do about that

It turns out that bad people can use powerful tools to do bad things

user15026

That doesn't mean we shouldn't...y'know, try to prevent that from happening

GodEmperorDune

maybe don't make the one ring then

user15026

1:30 AM

like...we didn't just go "oh no anyone can make bombs oh well bad people will be bad"

GodEmperorDune

i feel yonatan zunger's op ed is better because it is more specific about what to do

actually think about what happens when the powerful tool gets put in the hands of someone malicious

put in more safeguards or don't build the thing at all

get input from people with wide variety of perspectives because the thing may seem perfectly safe from one side but horrifying to another group

murgatroid99

You can't put safeguards in an algorithm or technique

GodEmperorDune

then don't develop it

quartata

you can in an API. re NLP: twitter's api is so restrictive with what you can fetch from a user (limited to a certain number of their latest tweets for instance) that it's actually almost useless for any large scale NLP, malicious or not. I think facebook's API is just uniquely bad really

murgatroid99

Bombs are inherently destructive things. Language processing algorithms are not

A better analogy would be "we shouldn't study nuclear power because someone might make a bomb out of it"

GodEmperorDune

1:37 AM

@murgatroid99 dynamite was created to save lives by excavating mountains with less manual intervention

quartata

pretty sure everyone knew facebook's graph API was a shithouse of potential problems, even the name is a tipoff

Yuuki

Also, some of the biggest explosions have occurred at fertilizer manufacturing plants.

quartata

graph as in graph theory of course

murgatroid99

Do you think we'd be better off without dynamite, or fertilizer?

GodEmperorDune

that's an impossible question to answer

Yuuki

1:39 AM

@murgatroid99 One, depends on the kind of fertilizer. Two, I think fertilizer plants are heavily regulated, moreso than most manufacturing facilities.

Also, dynamite is heavily regulated.

So what you’re saying is that we need to put heavy regulations on applications that use things like natural language processing?

quartata

NLP is really not the problem

Memor-X

JUST IN: Trump considered firing Kelly and serving as his own chief of staff: report http://hill.cm/78I40wd

Tweeted by thehill on March 23, 2018 at 12:37 AM

quartata

It's where they're getting the data from

Memor-X

can he do that?

GodEmperorDune

@quartata the internet

Yuuki

1:43 AM

@quartata Natural language processing doesn’t enforce a police state, people enforce a police state?

GodEmperorDune

@Memor-X its phenomenally stupid but there is no rule that says positions have to be filled

@quartata its not just NLP

quartata

look the thing is that facebook's API that literally means you only need access to a few to get everyone's data because of the friends thing. it's like an infection

GodEmperorDune

its stuff like facial recognition to spot unmasked dissidents in a crowd that also happens to unlock your phone

murgatroid99

But we're talking about technological advancements. It wasn't the construction of atom bombs that he's talking about, it's the discovery of the fundamental principles underlying it's functioning that can actually be blamed on physics

quartata

@GodEmperorDune this also is the effect of either malicious or lax oversight on the part of these companies

at least the unlock your phone part

murgatroid99

1:45 AM

Should we not have studied subatomic forces to avoid the possibility of someone weaponizing the knowledge?

user15026

....are you really arguing that we shouldn't do anything about the data gathering?

user15026

Is that really what's happening here?

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 it’s not like a layperson can assemble an atomic bomb by interpreting the principles

quartata

no, I'm saying the way they gather the data was bad

GodEmperorDune

It requires a specialist in the field

user15026

1:48 AM

@quartata Sorry, that was more @murgatroid99 than you, I should've linked the reply

quartata

regulation needs to happen at the API level, like most companies do

once they have the data they can do whatever they want to it, you can't ban that sort of thing

GodEmperorDune

This is about eliminating the “I didn’t know they would use it in bad ways” by the specialist

quartata

they should never have gotten the data in the first place

period

GodEmperorDune

@quartata you can scrape any public page on the internet you want

user15026

The problem is most things go "oh i need data x for y" and you go "oh that makes sense"

user15026

1:50 AM

even though they're....taking a fuckload more than that and using it for way more than just thing y"

quartata

@GodEmperorDune APIs exist because scraping pages is an excellent way to get yourself ratel imitted into infinity

It's the only way to handle data at that scale

The problem is that you only need the consent of a few to get everyone's data

that's what Facebook did wrong, and frankly I'm sure it wasn't accidental when they designed it

user15026

@quartata I think it's that and not being clear about what happens with the data and precisely what it is going to be used for

GodEmperorDune

facebook is not the only party with blame here

user15026

like I do a psych study, they tell me what they're gathering, what they're doing with it, when they will destroy it, all of that

GodEmperorDune

facebook messed up by making an API that could be used for bad things

murgatroid99

1:52 AM

That article wasn't about data collection. It was about natural language processing, an active areas of computer science research

user15026

@murgatroid99 the NLP is based on the data gathered though

GodEmperorDune

the programmer at cambridge analytica made the weapon

quartata

blaming NLP here is akin to blaming sorting a list of social security numbers after you broke into the IRS

murgatroid99

NLP can be based on all sorts of things. It's an academic topic

GodEmperorDune

the entire point is "you were so focused on whether you COULD you didn't stop to think if you SHOULD'

quartata

1:54 AM

The difference is that facebook wanted people to use their API this way

the whole concept is traversing a massive graph

I like to believe most other companies with lax backoffs or the occasional permission fuckup at their core don't really want people to use their API that way

for Facebook it was undeniably a selling point

user15026

All this teaches me is the assumption that just about anything is going to use my data

user15026

like I know everyone is liek FACEBOOK BE EVIL

user15026

but like...a lot of things have that same data

user15026

how long til we find out more issues like this

user15026

(aka trust nothing)

ToxicFrog

1:57 AM

Yeah, but there's a difference-in-kind between giving your information to something that will use it, and giving your information to something that will share it with random third parties without telling you and then say "oh yeah you should probably delete that someday" and then forget about it for two years

user15026

(Although I am amused that everyone is now data mining their FB zips and are all like OMG I didn't know they had all this and I could get it! I've had mine for a couple months because wheeeee immigration)

quartata

incidentally if Cambridge Analytica was UK based I wonder why EU privacy laws didn't help out

user15026

@ToxicFrog well yes but how do I know which ones are which?

ToxicFrog

@Ash poinbt

quartata

@ToxicFrog or have your data taken because your friend installed a stupid app

user15026

1:58 AM

How do I know and trust that other places are not doing this same thing

ToxicFrog

@quartata the privacy laws don't stop companies from doing this, they provide a mechanism to crush them when they do

user15026

I mean yes I know, people want to make FB the only villain but they're far from the only thing that asks for data like this

ToxicFrog

I suspect FB and CA are going to have an exceptionally bad year

user15026

Like...think of all the games you install on your phone that ask for all sorts of permissions

user15026

(for whatever value of maybe not actually you but other people you)

ToxicFrog

1:59 AM

nods

quartata

Right but you're consenting to those. These people didn't even get to consent

user15026

And how many go "log into all your social media because HIGH SCORES and PLAYING WITH FRIENDS"

quartata

That's why it's on a different scale in my opinion

ToxicFrog

My approach is to answer "no, fuck off" and if the app doesn't work when I do that maybe I didn't want it that much after all

user15026

@quartata I don't think it's clear consent

user15026

2:00 AM

Like you don't know exactly what you're giving and exactly how it will be used

user15026

(and moreover, what will happen to it when you delete the app, which in a way is revoking consent for thme to have the data)

user15026

I think that FB and CA do have a lot to answer for

user15026

but I think they're just the loudest emblem of what is a pretty large problem overall because, well.

user15026

I think separating FB/CA and going "well this is bad but they did infintely more bad" kinda detracts from the real discussion of "how do we make sure people are using only the data we want to share for only the things we are sharing it for"

GodEmperorDune

i think i'm safe from most facebook stuff because i quit it long back and maintain fake profiles for when games request access

user15026

2:03 AM

I've locked down enough of my FB based on my zip that they have....pretty much what I expect them to have, and surprisingly, nothing more

GodEmperorDune

we'll see what comes up in this zip

user15026

(like they have a few more phone numbers than I expected but the ones they have are all from an old phone before I got wise about privacy bits)

user15026

(I am also amused by whats not there - there are FB messenger conversations missing (all from people I've since blocked for reasons liek abusive exes))

GodEmperorDune

damn a lot of companies have my info

quartata

i have never used facebook a day in my life, so perhaps I'm not as enraged as I should be due to lack of personal investment

IRC was my vice of choice

Memor-X

2:09 AM

i used to use it but stopped. now i just use it for Game of Dice since one of their updates forced you to use Facebook to get into the game

quartata

ugh

why do games do that

if its just for auth there's plenty of other providers

Memor-X

also i don't put any real iding info on there anyway

quartata

like uhhhhh google

Unionhawk

2:48 AM

Hundreds of Kentucky teachers are fighting pension cuts—and they might win https://trib.al/4mIov0B

Tweeted by splinter_news on March 23, 2018 at 2:48 AM

Memor-X

Trump's advice to his younger self: "Don't run for president" http://hill.cm/IMf1eWG

Tweeted by thehill on March 23, 2018 at 2:19 AM

quick, someone invent a time machine

Unionhawk

my lukewarm Facebook take is: finding ways to monetize personal information is always bad and therefore Facebook is bad but it's also unfortunately convenient for organizing work and is basically what we use exclusively for local dsa

quartata

3:04 AM

have you considered getting dsa to use discord

(only about 60% joking)

Unionhawk

We have

Facebook is one of the best ways to promote and organize public events online

quartata

Ohh you mean for that sort of thing

Unionhawk

So I don't think we're going to be moving away from it

Though we have talked about moving away from messenger

quartata

I thought you meant for like internals

Unionhawk

I mean both

quartata

3:08 AM

Although I thought the various chapters used mostly Twitter

guess that hasn't got all the fancy location stuff huh

GodEmperorDune

i have unfriended everyone and deactivated my facebook

(easy for me because i don't use it for anything anyway)

user15026

3:47 AM

I will keep my Facebook because I use it for a damn lot of things.

user15026

And people can vilify that as they like. shrug

GodEmperorDune

@Ash nah im not gonna soapbox

all the people in my life that i would NEED facebook to keep in touch with my wife does through facebook

so i can delete mine because she uses hers

user15026

That works :)

Memor-X

4:03 AM

Do I just leave money in my mailbox? How much? How much money do they need, anyway? I guess it probably depends how the economy is doing. If stocks go up, should I leave more money in my mailbox or less?

GodEmperorDune

4:59 AM

ugh wtf

Driver plows through crowd outside Houston gay bar and kills 25-year-old nurse - More at: https://queer.to/2GePwtH

Tweeted by Queerty on March 23, 2018 at 4:48 AM

Yuuki

5:22 AM

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Memor-X

sometimes it's hard to think of why it's worth being in this world anymore.......and then i look at pugs and remember that despite the amount of shit we have some nice things

Kevin van der Velden

8:51 AM

@Memor-X I mean, except for the fact that we've basically mutated a breed of dogs so their entire existence is pain. Sure!

They're cute so who cares

It's Fine. This Is Fine

GodEmperorDune

@KevinvanderVelden properly bred pugs don't have such health problems

Kevin van der Velden

Properly bred pugs don't have wrinkles great for catching infections, breathing problems, eyes only barely held on by the fact that their face is so compressed, etc?

GodEmperorDune

@KevinvanderVelden yeah none of those lead to "existence is pain"

wrinkles need cleaning

anyway you can take your pug hate and go in the sea

Kevin van der Velden

I'm going to continue hating on all things we've bred for cuteness that have as a consequence of that breeding gained health issues

fredley

9:28 AM

Yuuki

1:47 PM

> Love popping spots AND eating dumplings? Combine the two with exploding soup dumplings at Dumplings Legend.

wat

Did you just compare xiaolongbao to pimples?

And did you just suggest popping the bao and letting all the broth run out?

dafuq is wrong with you

hrrrrrrrrrrrrk

This is exactly why diversity hiring is a thing.

If they had talked a single Chinese person during the making of the video, none of this would've happened.

GnomeSlice

@Yuuki EW

Yuuki

2:02 PM

Seriously, what the hell.

Tim Stone

Trump is threatening to veto the omnibus bill after Paul Ryan said on camera yesterday that Trump definitely supported it and there were no two ways about it

GnomeSlice

theepochtimes.com/the-illusion-of-free-trade-2_2464265.html

Yuuki

No sensible person eats xiaolongbao like that.

@GnomeSlice You're missing a .

That works too.

GnomeSlice

Yeah

Free trade piece

Yuuki

> diktat

... do they mean "dictate"?

GnomeSlice

2:05 PM

Yeah I was actually just about to ask if anyone knew that term

I don't think so though

dik·tat
dikˈtät/Submit
noun
an order or decree imposed by someone in power without popular consent.
"a diktat from the Bundestag

Huh

Yuuki

Or they could just use "order" or "decree".

Plus, free trade does not mean "trade without government intervention".

Unionhawk

gotta sound erudite

GnomeSlice

Meh, it's a cool word. If I knew cool words like that I'd wanna use them too

@Yuuki hm, when people talk about free markets with bitcoins and shit that's what they mean too I thought. No govt

Yuuki

It means trade without government restricting imports/exports. There's a subtle difference but the key factor is actual free trade doesn't care about subsidies.

GnomeSlice

I'm also not familiar with the 'fiat currency' term

Yuuki

2:08 PM

@GnomeSlice Fiat currency is currency that is not backed by a commodity.

GnomeSlice

Uhh

Yuuki

Which is basically every current currency in existence.

Even Bitcoin.

GnomeSlice

Oh okay

Yuuki

Currency used to be backed by commodities. You could go to the bank and trade one dollar for X amount of gold.

GnomeSlice

Ah right that's what I thought you meant

Tim Stone

2:10 PM

Ex-Trump lawyer: Trump approved my statement calling for end of Mueller probe http://hill.cm/Xsumgkv

Tweeted by thehill on March 23, 2018 at 2:10 PM

lol

Yuuki

Some people have a hard-on for non-fiat currency because they have some weird notion of utilitarian value.

But the problem with commodity-backed currency is that due to its nature of being tied to a commodity, sudden changes in the supply of said commodity reverberate throughout the monetary system.

Say, for example, the US was still on the gold standard. If China suddenly discovers a giant lode of gold or they invent a technology that massively increases the efficiency of extracting gold, the value of the US dollar could collapse overnight.

Fiat currency has its own problems, but one of the advantages is that the government has more control over its own monetary policy than with a commodity-backed currency.

Unionhawk

OK teachers union is expected to present their counter offer funding plan today

deadline: april 2

Yuuki

Actually, Bitcoin is probably not a fiat currency in that it is so far not a currency.

Rather than being backed by a commodity, it currently is the commodity.

Unionhawk

it's backed by numberwang

Yuuki

> However, if the people complaining right now had been truly interested in free trade and not just in collecting their own spoils, they would have long ago called on China to lower their average tariff rates and the European Union to stop their massive subsidies for agricultural products.

This line completely ignores the fact that the US has its own massive agricultural subsidies.

In fact, every country has massive agricultural subsidies.

It is, in fact, very dumb policy to not have massive agricultural subsidies.

GnomeSlice

2:19 PM

I honestly just assumed that was accurate cause I didn't know anything about it

My bad

Yuuki

Explanation: for the reasons mentioned in the article, if you don't have agricultural subsidies, agricultural producers will either go out of business or go abroad. Which threatens the security of your domestic food supply.

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk woo

Baquet also defended Bret Stephens, saying he "is not a climate change denier": "He is pushing back against those who think climate change should dominate all thought about regulation...whether you agree with him or not, that is a provocative point." https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/976827826979655683

Tweeted by maxwelltani on March 22, 2018 at 2:28 PM

Yuuki

If the US didn't have agricultural subsidies, most of food production would go to Mexico, Europe, Asia, etc.

Tim Stone

"Should we do anything about boiling to death and being swallowed by the sea? PERHAPS NOT!"

@Yuuki shakes fist angrily COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORN

Yuuki

And if the US elected a president that threatens relations with all of those countries (hmmm), then they run the danger of having their food supply cut.

@GnomeSlice It's not inaccurate (except in a few glaring instances), it just leaves out a lot of information that doesn't support its narrative and is thus intentionally misleading.

Side note, it's very problematic to refer to tariffs in the average because they can vary wildly depending on the product.

Wipqozn

2:29 PM

A Mississippi girl has died after her brother allegedly shot her in the head because she wouldn't hand over the controller of a video game.

hoooly fuck

This is terrible

and you must now all share my pain

Are guns required to be locked up and unloaded in the states?

I know that's how it works in canada

Unionhawk

lol

Wipqozn

To prevent...well, exactly this

@Unionhawk So no, great

Unionhawk

ayy

gregory conte (director of operations at spencey's National Policy Institute) is being charged with felony resitsing and obstructing police

which like, if it was anyone else I'd be against, however

Yuuki

@Wipqozn As always, depends on the state.

Mississippi is likely one of the states where it's not a requirement.

Unionhawk

"likely"

Yuuki

2:38 PM

Actually, I'm not entirely sure whether any state requires secure gun storage. They either have very strong restrictions on gun possession (California, New York, etc.) or they don't have care what you do with guns at all.

Granted, I live in Texas where you could literally duct tape a gun to your head and walk around.

SaintWacko

@Wipqozn Geez, I can't believe video games cause such violence. We should really ban video games

Yuuki

3:02 PM

> The superintendent of the Blue Mountain School District is in the spotlight after telling lawmakers in Harrisburg his students protect themselves against potential school shooters with rocks.

> “Every classroom has been equipped with a five-gallon bucket of river stone. If an armed intruder attempts to gain entrance into any of our classrooms, they will face a classroom full students armed with rocks and they will be stoned,” said Dr. David Helsel.

Okay. One, that's dumb as hell. Two, this guy has a Ph. D?

Unionhawk

at least it's not a M.D

puzzlepiece87

@quartata I'm with @murgatroid99 and @quartata on NLP, and I think whether we'd be better off without fertilizer or dynamite is a question we can give a best guess to for sure.

@Ash I didn't hear that.

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 It's a kind of a false dichotomy to think we either have fertilizer/dynamite/NLP or we don't.

Like I mentioned, fertilizer and dynamite are heavily regulated.

Unionhawk

I mean we just have a new textbook information ethics discussion now really

just like we have a new engineering ethics example this year

puzzlepiece87

@ToxicFrog Only because they don't include enough liability. Sufficient liability/jail time would be a deterrent.

@Yuuki Right, but that was the point that that GodEmperorDune was raising with the linked article.

So that's the one I was agreeing with them on.

But I agree regulation is a great mechanism to help with the situation.

@ToxicFrog @Ash And since they've implemented modular permissions permission requests have gone WAY down. I've been very pleased! It's been a wonderfully positive effect.

@Ash They've worked very hard to make it much clearer.

Of course there is still room to improve, but it's not a stagnant or deteriorating issue.

@Ash Well said. Thank goodness for the EU's leadership on that front.

user15026

3:15 PM

@puzzlepiece87 some things have but not nearly as clear as they should be

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 I actually haven't noticed that myself

puzzlepiece87

@quartata Did you see StackExchange is dropping support for OpenID?

@Ash My data is anecdotal.

@Ash Always room for improvement but leaps and bounds over 3 years ago.

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 I figured, I am saying my anecdotal does not match

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 well yes, but enough lack of explanation and clarity that a lot of people are finding FB has way more on them than they thought. And I suspect people have given their phones way more data than they expect in terms of allowing various app permissions

puzzlepiece87

@Ash Cool. Yeah, your experience could be right.

@Ash Brainstorming potential solutions, maybe phones could do a "Hey, did you know I/this app know this about you?" screen every year or so, and then if you don't like it it can give advice.

"Go to this settings/apps/permissions screen and revoke"

user15026

3:21 PM

That would be helpful because I think people really don't understand what they're doing

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk Have you considered how much you would pay for which online services in the absence of monetizing personal information? I have a bit but not enough to have a budget for it.

@KevinvanderVelden Me too, plus thoroughbred horses (speed v cuteness).

Unionhawk

serving ads without selling out users is A Thing

so

probably exactly the same as I do now

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 being clear about how they're doing it would help.

Unionhawk

which incidentally is like... $45 annually for YNAB, $9.98 monthly for twitch subs, $5 monthly for a patreon sub

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki ~~It is?~~ Ah you explained in the very next line.

Unionhawk

3:29 PM

if your business model requires selling your users, your business model is broken. I do not believe Facebook's business model requires these things, but making absurd amounts of money does

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 You absolutely absolutely want to have domestic agricultural production.

Unionhawk

and my position on making absurd amounts of money is already clear

puzzlepiece87

But everyone's doing it, right? I don't know, I guess maybe I'd be okay if I had a certain number of options.

Unionhawk

no ethical consumption~

quartata

@puzzlepiece87 yes I did

I'm part of the select group that is actually affected

puzzlepiece87

3:32 PM

@Unionhawk You're probably right though I guess I'd have to see more evidence to be convinced of that. I think a lot of sites struggle under that model.

But I guess most of the sites I am thinking about are news sites.

StackExchange is one of the few sites I can think of that seems to do okay without relentlessly selling user personal information and/or turning a blind eye to malware/truly obnoxious ads.

Unionhawk

Twitter costs zero dollars and only has basic info on me

They're making the world a worse place in other ways but

puzzlepiece87

They're also on deathwatch.

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn wat game tho

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 Wait, Twitter is Mandalorians?

puzzlepiece87

@quartata ~~Which comment/topic is this in reply to?~~ Stackexchange OpenID

Yuuki

3:37 PM

@puzzlepiece87 Probably the "did you see SE is dropping OpenID" one.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki It would explain a lot.

@Yuuki Ah thank you.

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune Probably Tetris, the most devilish of games

@Yuuki In todays edition of loving your guns more than your children...

GodEmperorDune

Trump calls community colleges “vocational schools” for people who lack the intelligence to “be a student.” https://twitter.com/scottjaschik/status/977156590263570432

Tweeted by studentactivism on March 23, 2018 at 12:21 PM

I don’t even

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Thinking about the agricultural subsidies now, if we're so concerned about food security that having multiple other nation options is not enough, I'd probably want the food security/non-profit portion of agricultural production to be a utility.

Yes, I am generally pro-government for essential services, why do you ask? :P

user15026

@GodEmperorDune wonderful

GodEmperorDune

3:47 PM

In sum, on the Iran hacks: * Multiple Trump admin members want war with Iran * Trump wants to use nuclear weapons * Yesterday Trump hired Bolton, who wants both war with Iran and pre-emptive nuke strikes * Pentagon now says the US can use nukes in response to major cyberattacks

Tweeted by sarahkendzior on March 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM in reply to sarahkendzior

:/

Yuuki

wew

puzzlepiece87

Now would be a great time for Congress to summon some intestinal fortitude and assert their sole right to war powers.

Never gonna happen but screams into void

GodEmperorDune

@puzzlepiece87 to be ultra cynical, does it matter if congress declares war or not after trump drops nukes?

Yuuki

wtf is this McD's ad?

This guy mentions buying a console for his kid and then the narrator replies with "isn't your kid 5 months old?". "How do you know that?" "I just do."

Unionhawk

4:07 PM

Facebook told him

For $5

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune I mean, I'm sure if Congress had any guts at all they could make such a situation that nukes would never be able to be dropped in the first place.

For example, one law that makes dropping a nuke without explicit declaration of war by Congress a war crime for the dropper and any approving commanders, and another that would trigger immediate impeachment proceedings for the same.

Yuuki

4:24 PM

@puzzlepiece87 What about when we accidentally drop nukes on our own country?

Or when we accidentally transport nuclear warheads to another country and then just leave them on the tarmac for 72 hours?

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Now I'm convinced we need this law even more :P

> 47 percent of registered voters either somewhat or strongly favor the death penalty for large-scale drug trafficking, according to a Morning Consult poll. And 29 percent favor it for local drug dealing.

No stop America. Stop.

Yuuki

> "Look at me, I am the Duterte now." - Trump, probably

Mad Scientist

News conference at the White House concerning the Omnibus Spending Bill. 1:00 P.M.

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on March 23, 2018 at 4:32 PM

That sounds a bit like he might actually veto it

Now, if the government is in shutdown, can he still nuke North Korea?

puzzlepiece87

@MadScientist "Can a bad thing happen post-2016?" (Yes, I know you weren't seriously asking, I'm just putting another layer on your pyramid of grim.)

Yuuki

4:46 PM

@MadScientist He is the kind of person who would gather everyone to watch him veto a bill.

He probably thinks of it as a demonstration of power.

GodEmperorDune

i mean omnibus has things i don't like but vetoing it is also a dumb move

Unionhawk

5:07 PM

vetoes for the veto god

Unionhawk

6:03 PM

> Oklahoma teachers' union proposes taxes ahead of walkout
NewsOK.com
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Oklahoma's largest teachers' union is outlining a list of proposed tax increases for lawmakers to consider to avoid a statewide teacher strike. The Oklahoma Education Association presented a list Friday and criticized state lawmakers for taking a three-day weekend ahead of a ...

Tim Stone

6:27 PM

@MadScientist It's incredibly reckless but also completely humiliates Paul Ryan, so I'm torn

Mad Scientist

@TimStone he didn't veto

Tim Stone

Yeah, I see now, but he, lmfao, got angry at them for sending him something "nobody read"?

(Rand Paul sitting off to the side waving frantically)

The coal baron who sued John Oliver for making fun of him had his lawyers send a letter to the judge, claiming workers' jobs depend on his personal reputation. http://acluwv.org/bob-murray-is-at-it-again/

Tweeted by adamsteinbaugh on March 23, 2018 at 6:23 PM

Oh my god

Unionhawk

I mean, no, workers jobs depend on you not firing them lol

so I guess in some sense that's probably true

Tim Stone

Like it's not even implicit, he literally says that their jobs depend on his reputation

Unionhawk

If the court does indeed find me to be owned, then I will have no choice but to close mining operations

Yuuki

6:32 PM

I guess that makes sense if you realize that he's egotistical enough to fire his workers in a fit of rage after losing reputation.

🤔

Tim Stone

THE MEMO: Trump ready to get more aggressive with Mueller http://hill.cm/Frz06OQ

Tweeted by thehill on March 23, 2018 at 6:19 PM

lol @ the image person, damnit

murgatroid99

@Yuuki CNN is fake news, so it doesn't count when they publish real news

Tim Stone

What is politics? Children’s answers ...

Tweeted by briandavidearp on March 21, 2018 at 8:27 PM

Yuuki

@TimStone Something about gold pieces?

I'm guessing it goes "someone tells people that they will give gold pieces if you will vote for me and then the person votes for him and then asks the person for the gold pieces and does not get them".

Which is a disturbingly accurate portrayal of campaign promises.

Tim Stone

The image is just cropped by the onebox

CNN is reporting Trump’s new attorney for Mueller work is no longer convinced he is the right person for the job after a meeting yesterday. My god.

Tweeted by AdamParkhomenko on March 23, 2018 at 5:19 PM

lol, fantastic

Yuuki

6:42 PM

@TimStone I'm just imagining Trump going through literally every lawyer in the country.

Unionhawk

cantwell's lawyer is going to end up landing the position

Tim Stone

> Trump considered firing Kelly and serving as his own chief of staff

Yes, please let him attempt to do the Entirety of Government

user15026

@TimStone O.o

puzzlepiece87

I can see his schedule now

9-11 Watch TV and tweet

user15026

@TimStone The kids, they know.

puzzlepiece87

6:51 PM

11-4 Lunch and Golf

4-5 Press conference about nothing

5-7 Dinner

7-11 Call friends to complain

11-9 Insomnia

Unionhawk

there's some medium post on night in the woods that somehow read that game as trumpian propaganda and I'm just confused

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone hayley is on point

Unionhawk

this is some advanced horseshoe theory shit

GodEmperorDune

Oh, no, you're reading it right. Individual forums on Reddit are subreddits, or "subs". But that's too beta for The Donald. It's a domreddit. https://twitter.com/dmichellebz/status/977242798108872704

Tweeted by alexandraerin on March 23, 2018 at 5:58 PM in reply to alexandraerin

Tim Stone

I was confused about that but in retrospect it makes so much stupid sense

GodEmperorDune

6:55 PM

i mean its so literal

i can't even

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Newspapers today are failing because they don't have any domscriptions.

We need to increase the military budget to pay for nuclear dommarines.

user15026

@GodEmperorDune hahahahahhahaha oh my god seriously is that a thing that is real oh my god why people why