This Is Fine

12:56 AM

Michigan pharmacist refuses medicine to woman having miscarriage: freep.com/story/news/2018/10/17/…

user15026

@Wipqozn fine, he didn't want to, that's shitty enough but the fact he refused to send it elsewhere is just wtf is wrong with you

GodEmperorDune

2:27 AM

Summary of California State ballot measures, in haiku form.

Tweeted by Delafina777 on October 18, 2018 at 2:25 AM

user15026

@GodEmperorDune NIce peotry although the kidney dialysis one makes me sad that it has to be a thing

Unionhawk

Can't #endpoverty without ending capitalism! http://tnvge.co/lwwzyPr

Tweeted by TeenVogue on October 17, 2018 at 7:25 PM

teen vogue join dsa

GodEmperorDune

2:49 AM

@Ash yes

Tim Stone

3:06 AM

lol we are out of ideas https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/property-brothers-series-fox-1202982848/

Tweeted by HayesBrown on October 18, 2018 at 2:59 AM

shrugs and sighs

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone look the property brothers are fun to watch

Tim Stone

Yeah but as a scripted comedy show?

Like, more so than the reality show

This is the final column by Jamal Khashoggi, published tonight online and in Friday's print editions of the Post --@washingtonpost. We mourn the loss of his voice and cherish his courage to make that voice heard. https://wapo.st/2ymItKx

Tweeted by danbalz on October 18, 2018 at 3:06 AM

GodEmperorDune

wait are they in it or just producing?

Tim Stone

They're writing and producing, apparently? The show is basically a comedy about them without them directly

Oh, I heard mention of the new WH counsel but I didn't realise McGahn was definitely gone

Donald McGahn departed as White House counsel on Wednesday, ending a tumultuous 21-month tenure where he spearheaded some of President Trump’s most significant political accomplishments. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/us/politics/don-mcgahn-leaves-trump-administration.html

Tweeted by Eugene_Scott on October 17, 2018 at 11:39 PM

Tim Stone

3:36 AM

Prosecutors jail people for the tiniest infractions, but they’re contemptuous of the idea that they themselves might be held accountable for even the most breathtaking legal, ethical violations. https://www.courthousenews.com/ny-prosecutors-sue-to-stop-misconduct-watchdog/

Tweeted by davidminpdx on October 17, 2018 at 10:47 PM

Keith Ellison's divorce records were unsealed after a lawsuit from the Star Tribune and a conservative website. There was no allegation of domestic violence against Ellison in it. His ex-wife Kim is very upset over it and has released a lengthy statement on it:

Tweeted by KFILE on October 17, 2018 at 11:29 PM

I dunno re end of claims but it's pretty shitty they forced it to be made public when she said what they thought was there wasn't!

Steve Penny, former chief executive and president of U.S.A. Gymnastics, has been indicted on felony charges of evidence tampering in Walker County, Texas. He allegedly removed documents related to Larry Nassar's activities at the Karolyi ranch, the national team training center.

Tweeted by JulietMacur on October 18, 2018 at 3:42 AM

Unionhawk

4:21 AM

@TimStone this is why I'm just going to write in like, Jimmy McGill for Ohio attorney general; they're both like "the prosecutor for attorney general" which no

Mad Scientist

6:12 AM

@TimStone privacy law is really weird in the US, there's no way something like this would be possible in Germany.

Tim Stone

1:28 PM

BREAKING: I can confirm that Kandahar's police chief, governor, and intelligence chief have all been killed. This is a huge blow. #Afghanistan

Tweeted by FrudBezhan on October 18, 2018 at 12:42 PM

Damn :/

Wipqozn

2:03 PM

Trump threatens to summon military to close U.S.-Mexico border, upend trade deal in response to migrant caravan: washingtonpost.com/politics/…

SaintWacko

2:28 PM

@Wipqozn Oh good, so this is how the war starts

Wipqozn

@SaintWacko But actually

Tim Stone

2:43 PM

> Eric Trump: Trump Org has "zero investments" in Russia or Saudi Arabia

Okay but that's demonstrably untrue my dude?

SaintWacko

@TimStone Lol

puzzlepiece87

@TimStone Lying liars gonna lie

Tim Stone

Like the Saudis literally bought a floor of your building, that is itself an investment because if they move out you don't get cash

GodEmperorDune

2:56 PM

@TimStone but technically that investment is in the US by the saudis, not "in saudi arabia"

Tim Stone

Yeah, but like 🙄

You're right that's what they're trying to do even though literally no one was claiming that, of course, lol

GodEmperorDune

the trumps are all about moving goalposts

gotta give something for supporters to use to yell at libs online

Tim Stone

It's why Jr lifts

Unionhawk

#Break: The NYT election needle is coming back, baby! https://www.cjr.org/special_report/2018-midterms-forecasts-538-cnn-times-needle.php/

Tweeted by DavidUberti on October 18, 2018 at 1:23 PM

no

Tim Stone

YESSSSS

Unionhawk

2:58 PM

do not

@TimStone .@FBI

GodEmperorDune

is he gonna do another "stealing candy from a baby is socialism" post this year?

Tim Stone

lol

@Unionhawk I am the feds

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk literally a needle for @TimStone's veins

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune I mean, we can work this analogy a bit

If Jr. is a baby and his money is candy, then yes

BOOM RT IF YOU AGREE

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk eat the rich like kids eat candy? RT

Tim Stone

3:00 PM

yesterday, by GodEmperorDune

Teen baked her grandfather's ashes into sugar cookies and brought them to school, police say https://lat.ms/2PDGbNI

Tweeted by LANow on October 17, 2018 at 3:00 AM

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone @ashleyfeinberg had a good take on this yesterday

Tim Stone

Millennials will kill the boomers, and then the next generation will eat them

Unionhawk

I have bad news about generation X, and the latest supreme court justice, and the broad conclusions we are required by law to draw because of this intersection

Tim Stone

Beer is commonly used in cooking it's okay

Unionhawk

(generations are bullshit, but also gen z will be the righteous cleansing wave that kills all of us)

puzzlepiece87

3:19 PM

@TimStone @GodEmperorDune @Unionhawk Great work on everything above, thank you for bringing cheer to my morning

I needed it after getting into it with an NPC memer. Poor life choice by me, I know.

Unionhawk

You might be able to tag in a @NoraReed honeybot then mute the thread but idk

Those idiots are a new genre of "engages with honeybots"

Previously mainly seen in the Online Atheist category of poster

I don't actually know the mechanics of @christianmom18 though, carol might not respond to being tagged in

puzzlepiece87

3:35 PM

Ha thanks, but it was on Discord, not Twitter. It was a voluntary exchange with someone that plays the same mobile game as me. I'm not a hellsite user thankfully so I don't need to tag in bots to do my dirty work xD

As I've gotten older I've thankfully mostly gotten over arguing with randoms on the internet (which is good for my happiness levels), but if it's someone I know I sometimes will still go a few rounds.

Wipqozn

Newspeak

Newspeak is the language of Oceania, a fictional totalitarian state and the setting of George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the novel, the ruling Party of Oceania created the language to meet the ideological requirements of English Socialism (Ingsoc). Newspeak is a controlled language, of restricted grammar and limited vocabulary, meant to limit the freedom of thought—personal identity, self-expression, free will—that ideologically threatens the régime of Big Brother and the Party, who thus criminalized such concepts as thoughtcrime, contradictions of Ingsoc orthodoxy.In "The Principles...

Unionhawk

peak news tho

:thonk:\

Tim Stone

Mnuchin announces he is pulling out of the Saudi investor summit https://twitter.com/stevenmnuchin1/status/1052944784355205120

Tweeted by jmhansler on October 18, 2018 at 3:32 PM

Oh for the love of god

> Trump starts leaving postal union in latest anti-China move

Ahh, the simplicity of flat-rate international post. But what if we didn't do that? taps head

puzzlepiece87

3:52 PM

@TimStone (I know the headline literally says postal union but, to anyone wondering, it's a treaty group. Trump is not leaving the labor union of US postal workers)

Tim Stone

Yeah, the naming is bad

Unionhawk

NALC is cool as hell to be clear

they rented their union hall to local socialist alternative for a fundraiser/party

SaintWacko

@TimStone Goddamnit wapo

Unionhawk

for like, $175

SaintWacko

Stop blocking me from accessing articles

Tim Stone

3:54 PM

tbf the article is pretty short and is basically just my quip

So you're not missing out

They want to renegotiate the flat-rate agreement or they'll pull out and then shipping overseas will just be ????

puzzlepiece87

@SaintWacko I'm not sure how much control you have or want to take over your current browser, but blocking can be helpful for getting around paywalls.

Like, I can't control my work browser, but I have Firefox with ABP, Privacy Badger, and NoScript on my phone and that helps a lot.

WaPo still sometimes gets me based upon fingerprinting, but not often, and it's awesome for getting around walls on other sites.

Mad Scientist

incognito mode works reliably for me

puzzlepiece87

4:14 PM

@MadScientist Good tip and much easier! (Though I never use incognito mode myself because it disables add-ons)

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone are we not going to be able to send/receive international mail now

@SaintWacko incognito mode

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune the democrats want open borders for mail

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk how else can i mail order nukes in weed bales?

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune If they don't renegotiate presumably we would still be able to just at the rate de jour? Which would be confusing and problematic for anyone who does it with remote regularity I assume

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune right? "I was saying boo-urns"

GodEmperorDune

4:19 PM

@TimStone force everyone to use private carriers to own the libs

Tim Stone

I tried shipping internationally with UPS once and whew

USPS all the way

Think it was like 3x more expensive with the private carrier? And it got there in the same amount of time they would have promised me, ultimately

Unionhawk

@TimStone sure the free market makes things less expensive and more efficient in theory, but in practice,

Tim Stone

Look it's just economies of scale and the individual consumer is the scale of their middle finger alright

Tim Stone

4:34 PM

Added to recent closure of PLO mission in Washington, it cements new reality of US w/ NO direct, bilateral relationship with Palestinians - any/all relations will now be wholly-owned subsidiary of US-Israel ties. Completing the roll-back of relations to pre-Madrid era. https://twitter.com/joshruebner/status/1052953821243162624

Tweeted by LaraFriedmanDC on October 18, 2018 at 4:33 PM

(Trump administration is "consolidating" the US Consulate General with the Embassy following the move)

TN cops staged masked raids on 23 stores, shutting them down for days, seizing cash and equipment, and charging owners with drug distribution, other felonies. And then they realized the stores had done nothing wrong. (via @Scot_Blog) https://www.newschannel5.com/news/lawsuit-filed-following-operation-candy-crush

Tweeted by radleybalko on October 18, 2018 at 4:39 PM

> Operation Candy Crush closed down nearly two dozen businesses in Rutherford County after officials said they were selling CBD-based products.

lol operation candy crush

Unionhawk

the cops

Tim Stone

> Uber Driver May Drive Uber IPO

> Mr. Grimes, Morgan Stanley’s top technology banker, has moonlighted for years as a driver for the ride-hailing service, according to people familiar with the matter

🤔 All that to secure a deal?

I'm glad to see Jason Chaffetz has wised up since bailing on Congr...oh, hold on a moment, I'm being informed that he has, in fact, not

Yuuki

4:54 PM

@TimStone PLAY STUPID GAMES, WIN STUPID PRIZES, ELIZABETH WARREN

Tim Stone

Imagine goading Elizabeth Warren into making such a stupid move and then going "Ah but what if we went too far?"

user15026

@TimStone I literally recoiled and was like "fuck" when I opened this

Tim Stone

Sorry, I should have added a content warning

user15026

It's all good, I was just like "oh that's a lot of asshole behaviour in such a small space"

Tim Stone

So much

Not that it's surprising for him but just like, how do these people exist?

Yuuki

5:00 PM

... I suppose my last comment is rather victim blaming.

Tim Stone

Eh she should have known better in this case because her pursuing this was unfair to native tribes too

Like these people should stop being horrible but indulging them is very bad too

Unionhawk

Yeah her doing the thing caused harm since courts want to legitimize dna as a Thing in this realm

With some recent Texas case I think

Tim Stone

DEVELOPING: General Dynamics facility in Portsmouth on lockdown due to 'incident' involving Navy personnel, spokesperson says https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/portsmouth/general-dynamics-in-portsmouth-on-lockdown-due-to-incident-/1533443203

Tweeted by WAVY_News on October 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM

Unionhawk

JUST IN: ACLU files lawsuit against Hamilton County judge who issued order to clear homeless camps http://bit.ly/2PbHypG

Tweeted by WCPO on October 18, 2018 at 5:04 PM

thabk you for using my $20 in a productive manner

or at least a non-harmful manner

Tim Stone

@TimStone Supposedly no shots fired and maybe not even a suspect so not sure "active" shooter is the right term but yay how it's just like "Well it could easily have been"

Can I get “All kinds of nope!!” For 1000 Alex?! 🤨

Tweeted by jaysonstreet on October 18, 2018 at 12:28 AM

Oh wow, it's even more absurd than I expected

"Okay stand in this very specific spot and then wait for the gate agent anyway, a much more efficient and certainly non-intrusive way than them scanning your ticket"

Unionhawk

5:11 PM

mobile boarding is a thing anyway

user15026

@TimStone so if I have to wait for a gate agent, why not just do it the other way

user15026

Like...why do this other than to let you randomly gather data

user15026

as I assume that's the true purpose

Unionhawk

and if your phone dies then talk to the gate agent for a boarding pass

Tim Stone

I don't even know! They claimed it was going to be faster which already seemed unnecessary but I don't see how it could even be that

murgatroid99

5:17 PM

@TimStone I can see the benefit of this. It's simpler from the traveler's point of view

Tim Stone

I don't see how though?

If you have to get the okay from the gate agent it's literally less direct than them handing you back the boarding pass stub

murgatroid99

In one case, you need to make sure you have a boarding pass at the gate. In the other case, you don't

Tim Stone

You still have to have the boarding pass to begin with though, so

Because you have to clear security

murgatroid99

Maybe this is a test for loosening that restriction at security too

Unionhawk

Yeah honestly "is it easy to verify whether or not you are allowed to board an airplane" is a solved problem

And if you don't want a piece of paper in your hand, most airlines have an app!

Tim Stone

5:20 PM

Also you'd have to remember your seat number?

Unionhawk

This just seems like it would be prone to problems

Tim Stone

(since this is Delta and not South West)

murgatroid99

Yeah, I'm not actually sure about the seat number problem

Unionhawk

Just make every airline board like southwest tbh

Tim Stone

I refuse, assigned seats are a gift from the heavens and everywhere including movie theatres should have them

Unionhawk

5:22 PM

said the frequent single traveler who could not give any less of a shit

Tim Stone

That way you don't waste money on shitty seats

Unionhawk

other than the occasional A boarding group purchase

murgatroid99

Other than that, though, I don't really see the downside here. Working facial recognition means that they already have a picture of your face. What data could they possibly be collecting here that they don't already have?

Unionhawk

The thing is they don't currently have a picture of my face

Under the previous system

Tim Stone

In the rollout at Dulles which oddly enough does not involve Delta, supposedly the pictures get removed after 12 hours

Unionhawk

5:23 PM

What do they do, take the picture at ticketing?

Tim Stone

So I'm like only kinda worried from that perspective? It just seems like an unnecessary use of technology while e.g. the planet is burning

Unionhawk

and then verify that you are the same person when you get to the gate?

Tim Stone

I assume they somehow have a partnership with TSA or something so that they do have your face, on account of requiring a federally compliant ID for any flight

Unionhawk

@TimStone I literally only care about assigned seats if I can get an exit for cheap, otherwise southwest is usually fine for me

@TimStone the TSA doesn't just have that on file though

Tim Stone

I have to pee with absurd regularity sometimes so I prefer aisle seats >_>

murgatroid99

5:25 PM

I prefer window seats so that nobody ever climbs over me

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk It does if you have a federally compliant ID, since they all require a photo?

Unionhawk

the Ohio BMV does, sure

but they're not going to scan my driver's license to get a face recognition photo

I hope

because that would be dumb as shit lol

Tim Stone

Hmmm

user15026

@murgatroid99 I also like window seats because I feel like I can make myself smaller and then no one has to worry about getting past the fat kid

Unionhawk

The best seat is a window back row exit

user15026

5:27 PM

(although really flying just makes me hella anxious anyhow so anything that adds to it is just no thank you, because fat + shunts is a BAD airplane combo)

Unionhawk

The one where there is no seat in front

Can I respond to spoken English commands and open this door? Sure

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk DHS says that they don't have a central database but REAL ID requires that states maintain a digital copy of your face in a "transferable format" and I'm not sure what the utility of that would be if it didn't make it into a central database

Unionhawk

How good is an up to 5 year old photo for facial recognition though

Tim Stone

It also says that states must let other states access their data

murgatroid99

So, you don't exactly need a centralized database, strictly speaking, just on-demand access to the various state databases

Unionhawk

5:30 PM

I'm skeptical and it all just feels like an extra step even though it obviously isn't, but a boarding pass has less room for error

Tim Stone

Ahhh

No, you have to participate in CLEAR

Unionhawk

Oh lol

The private pre-chek?

That got pretty much completely replaced by pre-chek?

lol

yes CLEAR I will pay for you to have my photo and biometric data so I can go through your padded rope line at select sporting events and select airports

Tim Stone

Ah, no

Sorry

Unionhawk

Aw, that would have been way funnier

Tim Stone

The thing at DCA is powered by CLEAR, the thing in the photo I think is CBP

Unionhawk

5:34 PM

since apparently their service costs $179 per year

Tim Stone

Having a SkyMiles account gives you special pricing on CLEAR, no worries

Unionhawk

(TSA Pre-Chek is $85 for 5 years, but can show up randomly on regular tickets)

Tim Stone

Yeah, so the CLEAR system is finger-print based and this CBP thing is facial recognition

And DHS does have a biometric database, somehow

Unionhawk

I mean I'm sure they do

They just do not have my data

Tim Stone

It's possible that this is only on international flights too which would require a passport, so REAL ID isn't even an issue there

Unionhawk

5:38 PM

Unless an agent fingerprinted me in my sleep

or some shit

knock on wood I have yet to be arrested by DHS types

Tim Stone

This setup makes marginally more sense but is far more dystopia-looking:

But much better than "Ah that gate agent actually didn't nod at you now you're under arrest and we have to evacuate the plane and put the terminal on lockdown"

Unionhawk

Oh yeah it totally won't be extremely annoying to roll a bag through there

Tim Stone

Nah, it's not that bad, they have exit gates at Philly for just "you're leaving the terminal" and they're about the same size

user15026

@TimStone What even is this how does it even

Tim Stone

After a #nuclear holocaust, we’ll go to heaven as martyrs; those who nuked us will go to hell – #Putin https://on.rt.com/9grj

Tweeted by RT_com on October 18, 2018 at 2:22 PM

Ah very reassuring thanks Russia

Unionhawk

5:45 PM

I mean probably

I think most moral analyses would assign "bad" to "killed thousands"

puzzlepiece87

@murgatroid99 laughs in American

SaintWacko

@Unionhawk Right, but remember, as long as you repent after you're good

Tim Stone

@Ash You feed it your face and if it doesn't like it the trap door opens and swallows you whole I think

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk This is my feeling too personally, but I get why people don't like it

@Unionhawk The best seat is anywhere at least a few rows in front of the roaring engines

@TimStone xD Tim Stone killing it up in here

puzzlepiece87

6:16 PM

New Orleans spending $1B on new airport without considering climate change

Linked article from the first, Spain spent $1B on airport and then closed it after 3 years due to economic collapse - ruin porn

Also, why is that pool still being filled/maintained? xD

user15026

@TimStone That was my assumption, too

puzzlepiece87

For now, women in the US have a new option to do safe abortion by mail

SaintWacko

8:02 PM

@puzzlepiece87 Oh, damnit

Now that this is public, Republicans are going to find a way to make it illegal

Unionhawk

Oct 9 at 17:59, by Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune if a law is unjust, one is not only right to disobey, they are obligated to

Washington Supreme Court outlaws life without parole for juvenile offenders: https://slate.trib.al/KO6mdBg

Tweeted by Slate on October 18, 2018 at 6:44 PM

cool now do everyone else smile

death by incarceration is awful

GodEmperorDune

9:42 PM

yay DSA LA finally published their voter guide

Wipqozn

Edmonton girl guide sells out of cookies in front of cannabis store on first day

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn smart cookie

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune I see what you did there, and it was worthy of @Yuuki. Well done.

@Unionhawk I didn't even realize this was a thing

puzzlepiece87

10:00 PM

@Wipqozn Agreed well played @GodEmperorDune

Memor-X

10:17 PM

@TimStone wow, those gates looks real co..........way is just in the center there

GodEmperorDune

10:50 PM

Computer Stories: A.I. Is Beginning to Assist Novelists https://nyti.ms/2QYpoVD

Tweeted by briecode on October 18, 2018 at 10:40 PM

SaintWacko

@GodEmperorDune I just got an image of the future. You're looking for a certain type of story, so you go to a website and choose some parameter, and it generates a story just for you

GodEmperorDune

i mean current state seems to be machine learning and automated suggestions of snippets

user15026

@GodEmperorDune okay how did I know this was going to be Robin Sloan related

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko Alternatively, existing targeting data is input as those parameters, and links to the generated story are posted to your social media

GodEmperorDune

most of those "lol an AI wrote this script" are either heavily edited to make sense or quite bad and using the AI thing a a gimmick for an otherwise terrible script

@murgatroid99 jeez, microtargeted copypasta

murgatroid99

10:53 PM

@GodEmperorDune I assume all of those were just written entirely by humans for the meme

user15026

@GodEmperorDune This is kinda a misrepresentation of the article, though, it's not a mass thing, it's just Robin Sloan doing a weird experiment thing as he is wont to do

GodEmperorDune

@Ash i don't know enough about robin sloan but yeah it is definitely not anywhere close to a mass thing

user15026

It's a neat article, I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned in his Primes emails but I didn't read the last couple so I might've missed it

Wipqozn

oops wrong room

user15026

@GodEmperorDune he writes interestingly weird book

Wipqozn

10:55 PM

→ 1 message moved to The Bridge

user15026

(I liked Mr. Penumbra's 24 Hour Bookstore a LOT, Sourdough was decent too)

Wipqozn

That definitely wasn't more trouble than just deleting the message and remaking it

user15026

Not at all ;)

Wipqozn

@Ash IT was certainly cooler

ToxicFrog

Oh that's where I know that name from.

user15026

11:01 PM

@ToxicFrog I know you read Mr. Penumbra, did you ever read Sourdough?

ToxicFrog

I hated Mr. Penumbra, so no.

user15026

I knew it was either you liked it or hated it

user15026

I couldn't remember anything beyond "we talked about this once when we walked from Google to my house" but that's all my brain had for me

ToxicFrog

11:16 PM

Yeah, I thought it had a promising premise but went steadily downhill and then failed to stick the landing so spectacularly it retroactively removed my enjoyment of the early parts of the book.

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