Guess true

true

(1099511627776, 32768, 32) is false

ASCII, you have 1 stone, guess or pass

Pass

ff's turn

GUESS: (6,3,9) mondo TRUE

I think true

Guess true

(6,3,9) is true

ff, you have 2 stones, guess or pass?

Guess

sorry

formatting

wrong guess, (0,0,0) is false

you still have 1 stone

pass

BC's turn

Why is everyone afk :(

^

Oh man my brain is already working through a Shiro for this room

Guess: (2, 11, 17) is TRUE

FALSE

I don't think having turns works too well in a chat game, maybe we can rework that

Guess false

@ffao well we can always do contact style multiple mondo

@feelinferrety as in Shiro and Sora Shiro?

@ASCII-only As in the bot we have for Codenames

There's a bot for codenames?

But I'm thinking of a userscript for the chart games

Not sure if it's a good idea

@feelinferrety why's it called Shiro

~shrug~ Ask ffao

They know more about it than I do

@ASCII-only cries in a corner

Hi @Shiro

@Shiro I knew it

enters Codenames and answers with "Blank" pun

Anyway @ffao how does my guess look

Wait that won't work

um, I kinda forgot

Oh well

(2, 11, 17) is false

Well ima pass then

ASCII's turn

I completely missed your guess o_O

Yay more stones

wow, 38 notifications

people sure like to ping me

0, 0, 0 is tripping me up

....wait? ffao is here. Who is controlling Shiro? :o

@Shiro aren't you supposed to be playing four accounts right now

@Sid Probably ffao in another browser or incognito window

@Shiro Pls help me solve this Zendo

:| I really need to start thinking

@Shiro you're not helping, at least tell me when season 2 is coming out :P

Oh yeah I had a guess way before oops

(50, 8, 200) mondo true

@ASCII-only I wish I knew :/

@Shiro Reddit somewhere says never IIRC

they might be right. I hope not.

Guess TRUE

Legal reasons apparently

ffao did you lose your password or something?

guess FALSE

(50, 8, 200) is true

Well now I don't know what to believe

ASCII, you have 4 stones

HRMMM

I should uh.... I should probably be writing all of these down

Oh yay I guess (a, b, ab/2)

I know what I'm doing during downtime at gencon.... github awaaaayyyyy

wrong guess, (4, 6, 12) is false

Pass

ffao, can you post a list of true/false koans thus far?

I haven't been keeping track of them either

TRUE

(8 4 6)
(6 3 9)
(50 8 200)

FALSE

(7 8 9)
(11 12 13)
(4 6 8)
(1099511627776 32768 32)
(0 0 0)
(4 6 12)
(2 11 17)

BC for the win!

If anyone wants I can write a userscript

I wanna....

Oh duh

@feelinferrety ?

First true is (8,4,16)

@ASCII-only (0,0,0) obeys that ಠ_ಠ

true, I guess I could have used that as a counterexample

@feelinferrety UGH

I'm bad at reading and/or typing

@BusinessCat fix iiiiit

Too late

BAH

IDK... (3,10,12) mondo FALSE

Guess false

False

(3,10,12) is false

I think I have a stone or two

3

GUESS (a, b<a, c>a,b)

I think ffao has enslaved Shiro as a random zendo generator these zendo can't just apart from nowhere [end random message]

wrong guess, (30, 10, 20) is true

TRUE

(8 4 16)
(6 3 9)
(50 8 200)
(30 10 20)

FALSE

(7 8 9)
(11 12 13)
(4 6 8)
(1099511627776 32768 32)
(0 0 0)
(4 6 12)
(2 11 17)
(3 10 12)

BC has 3 stones, ASCII has 4, and you still have 2

@feelinferrety ctrl + k

@feelinferrety do you want to guess again

PASS

@ASCII-only oh hey. I was like, "I'm on a Mac, nothing is 'ctrl'" but hey there it is. TY.

Oh jeez...

@feelinferrety on Macs ctrl normally is command

@ASCII-only I know. But that did nothing. It really was control.

Damn (0 0 0) throwing me off

@feelinferrety O_o why, stack exchange

@BusinessCat I've got a guess :P although it's a terrible one

I had one, but it fails for (0,0,0) being false

(3, 4, 8), mondo, FALSE

FALSE

Guess false

(3,4,8) is false

Oh wait my new guess failed for a different case ಠ_ಠ

Pass

Mondo (30, 20, 10) false

Pass in advance

I wonder why you're even trying to get stones if you're not using them :P

TRUE

I don't have the slightest idea

I swhy

I'll say TRUE

@BusinessCat Same~~~

@ffao saving them up

(30, 20, 10) is false

I need to collect evidence first

What ASCII has confirmed is that order IS important

proceeds to re-guess every permutation of false guesses

ASCII passed, I believe, so it's ff's turn

@feelinferrety :| I just assumed order was important because it looked like it was

(30, 3, 40) mondo TRUE

Guess false

we could just toss out some "master" statements now to hurry along data collection

@ffao every time I read that I think ff is an abbreviation for your username not feelinferrety's lol

@feelinferrety but stones :P

I don't know how else to abbreviate it though D:

@ASCII-only HOARDER.

TRUE

(30, 3, 40) is true

Well there goes my theory

stone tally: BC 5, ASCII 6, feelin 4

@ffao I've also been called feelin, ferret, and my personal favs are ferret nicknames like fuzzbutt and carpetshark

Makes me feel like a real scientist

um, I'll just use ferret

@feelinferrety I'd have used ferrety

RULE Guess: (a, b<a, c>b)

ding ding, ferret wins

so. I don't think I like Zendo too terribly much.

I was overcomplicating it ಠ_____ಠ

WHAT

I think if BC had asked all permutations of the failed guesses it would have been obvious fairly quickly

@feelinferrety we should do like contact style word zendo or something

hooray for the scientific method

everything followed the a>b<c, but my example of that failed, so the next "horse" as opposed to "zebra" would therefore be a>b & b<c

Ah okay

So that's what master is for

as I said there's a lot of waiting, I feel like this should be made faster somehow for chat

but I don't know exactly how this would work

Seems like the fastest strategy is data collection/experimentation, you have you controls and you subjects of interest

@ASCII-only Call it CONDO

I'll brb but I'll play more

@ffao multiple Mondos possibly

@ffao I think having a player data repo like we do for codenames would simplify the game

But I think of people just do a bunch of masters at the start it would be a lot faster

@feelinferrety ??????

yes, no point in using mondos to get stones if you're just going to hoard them anyway

@ASCII-only When you SM, you get a seed to generate a puzzle board to take notes on

master is there specifically to get a faster game

Oh hey, new game room.

So is this essentially a word-property puzzle in game form?

It needs a few kinks worked out

@Randal'Thor Numbers and sets qualify too

@feelinferrety Ooh, kinky.

Right, yes.

@ffao yeah I think that needs to be made more obvious in the rules

Wait why only triplet

I have a sample game .txt I drew up

@feelinferrety generate a puzzle board?

it doesn't have to be a triplet

when Deusovi was master he used tic-tac-toe boards

Also: I shouldn't be asking but why do some of the mods say no offsite resources

@ffao oh so anything basically

@ASCII-only Yes, when you !newgame, Shiro gives creates a seed and each SM gets a one-time secret link to a copy of the seed. They input the seed into their own window of the master board site, which generates the same board for everyone. They can mark off which words have been guessed. Shiro also uses the same seed to screenshot board pics of the current status.

how would this work here, though, the bot doesn't know what the rule is

@feelinferrety but I thought Deus says no offsite resources

@ASCII-only That rule is for looking things up. Since we're playing on the internet, everyone can basically have the answer to anything right away.

Hmm ok

Because I think the chat games would be much better on a specially designed website

@ffao I meant I would like to add an offsite tracking system much like the Codenames repo. If I am smart enough, I could also create another bot at some point.

@feelinferrety I could do that

For now, I think reposting the list of TRUE FALSE after every guess, as you were doing, is a valid alternative

not that I don't think the site is a good idea, but it needs someone to make it

@ffao I can write it, may take a while though

Gen Con is the largest tabletop-game convention in North America by both attendance and number of events

huh, TIL

I love how Wikipedia lists the first Gen Con's location as "Gary's Home"

lol

I'm actually FROM the Indy area and didn't know about the con until I moved away X'D

This year is a biggie because it's now officially larger than the Indy 500

for some definition of larger

I'm pretty sure I had heard of the Indy 500 much earlier than today

@ffao Attendees, I think?

Are you going to do another round? Or a different game perhaps?

I'd like another (different) game

looks at time I think I should have been asleep a few hours ago

sleeping time is a psychological construct

looks at blank wrist I should have gotten some work done by now

But I am here by choice :)

@feelinferrety my wrist always has a real watch on it

@ffao Is it still sunday?

Well for 23 hours 55 minutes every day

it's Monday, I slept from 4 PM to midnight yesterday

@ffao you what oh that's much better

ah, sorry, I got the times wrong lol

You should have just not slept :P

there, fixed it

@ASCII-only 4pm to midnight is not much more than 3pm to midnight...?

@feelinferrety I know lol

@ASCII-only dammit. fixed.

Ooookay, not Zendo-ing. Jumping ship on the Zendo room. I'll be in TSL.

@feelinferrety how much of a swim away is that

@ASCII-only Pretty short: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/14524/the-sphinxs-lair

:P