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3:00 AM
either way I'd like to guess
 
Guess: Words must alternate between vowels (including y) and consonants, with vowels in alphabetic order (and I guess be at least 4 letters in length, and start with a consonant)
 
If a proposed rule contains both the essential and the inessential, is it correct?
 
It is correct iff you can't find a counter-example
 
3:03 AM
@Rubio if you can't come up with a counterexample, it's good
 
oh no
 
@Rubio No. Counterexamples are where the rules disagree, whether it's "actual rule says true but yours says false" or vice versa.
 
I've guffed it
 
oh
you can take it back
type "take back" quickly
 
take back what, my guess?
 
3:04 AM
yeah
 
Ok so if I give a counterexample, then that contradicts the proposal?
 
Yes.
 
um, he apparently messed up his guess
 
no it's ok
I guessed what I meant to guess
 
Aunt is true
 
3:04 AM
ok then good
 
but I can tell it's pretty clearly wrong
I'm just dumb, I think I know the rule now
it's back to deus
 
Sid
Can't you guess twice?
 
I'm out of stones
 
Mondo: Strength
 
guess false
 
3:06 AM
guess false
 
guess false
 
Sid
Guess false
 
guess false
 
wow, pretty unanimous
 
guess false
 
3:07 AM
this kind of works better when simultaneous
 
Strength is false
 
yeah, it definitely works better simultaneously
okay, I'll guess the rule
 
True
====
Jane
James
Mary
names
Carol
Aunt

False
=====
Dog
A
June
Jamie
God
Grass
Xyzzy
John
Strength
I might have missed one
 
(@Wen1now if you ever return please say something)
 
count me out for now, I'm must leave
o/
 
3:07 AM
I have 2 guessing stones: 🔮🔮
 
\o
 
@ConorO'Brien that's Zzyzx
 
close enough
(also someone please guess "Syzygy")
 
Rule: A koan has the Buddha-nature iff it has at least two vowels, and all vowels are distinct and alphabetically sorted.
 
Sid
3:08 AM
@notjagan john is false too
 
yup, that was my guess
 
Deusovi is correct ✔
 
nice
 
DAMNIT THAT WAS MY GUESS ;_;
 
anyone mind if I go next?
 
3:09 AM
I overthought it
you deserve it
 
;_; if only I did not miss my turn
 
I'd like to play next game
 
alright, give me a second to think of something
 
I propose winner -> defender, like in Contact
 
why didn't it make the ping sound louder ;_;
 
3:10 AM
I like this game, i think. I have to drop for now, though - back later, if still going
 
@JohnDvorak sure, but like in Contact, that would just be our fallback rule for if we all have roughly the same level of want-to-go-ness
 
(nothing wrong with passing it off to someone else if you don't want to, or asking for it if you do)
 
yay
 
(just a second, trying to figure out which of the rules I have in mind would work best)
Alright, here we go:
A valid koan is a 3x3 grid made up of Xs and Os. (For easy typing, you can read the rows off and put slashes between them. You can also use shift+enter.)
Has the Buddha-nature:
OXO
XXO
XOO

Does not:
XXO
XOO
OOO
 
3:17 AM
can I go first?
 
can I go second?
 
should I just go ahead and randomize turn order?
 
third
 
if not, I'd take fourth
 
Or that, shuffle please
 
3:17 AM
randomising sounds best, but only if others are happy
 
I have a guess
 
Or, we could shuffle by typing o/ at the same time
 
Sid
I am out. Low battery...
 
cya
 
mondo:
XXO
XOX
OXX
 
3:18 AM
guess true
 
guess false
 
guess true
 
guess false
 
guess true?
 
is that everyone?
 
3:19 AM
If I am playing correctly
 
I was going to shuffle but it's probably too late
 
@notjagan yep, take the calling order with Mic as fifth
 
can I change my guess? not based on others
 
I don't think so
 
:P
 
3:20 AM
if the others say it's okay - I don't want to say anything that might indicate the answer yet
 
alright, so the order is: Destructible Lemon, boboquack, John Dvorak, notjagan, micsthepick
 
I guess not then
the answer is TRUE. John, Jagan, and Mics have a guessing stone.
 
(shall just be spectating this one)
 
hmm dang
 
cool
 
3:21 AM
this is not what I expected
 
I think I might already have a guess
 
Is there a link with the rules
 
A link?
 
webpage
 
oh, not yet
 
3:22 AM
Master:
OOO
XXX
OOO
 
@Sp3000 you can still join
 
False.
 
True
 
(the koan does not have the Buddha-nature, I mean. Sp can still join)
 
:D
 
3:23 AM
Master: OOX/OXO/XXO
 
I get the general game but there seems to be a few formalities added, hence spectating this one :)
 
@JohnDvorak True.
 
Let me guess:
exactly one winning tic-tac-toe line
 
:(
 
Counterexample:

OXO
XOX
OXO is true.
 
3:25 AM
hmm...
 
ooh
 
I think I've got it
 
oh hm
 
wait nevermind I confused myself
don't mind me
 
3:27 AM
Mondo:

XOO
OOX
XOX
 
lucky I didn't say it yet :P
 
true
 
guess true
 
true
 
guess true
 
3:28 AM
@micsthepick?
 
guess true
what does master and mondo signify?
 
You're all correct.
@micsthepick master: "tell me the answer". mondo: "everyone guesses and gets a chance at guessing stones"
 
and you use a guessing stone to get an attempt at guessing the rule?
 
yes, you do that at the end of your turn
 
Guess: Exactly one tile can be toggled (O to X, vice versa) in order for exactly two winning tic-tac-toe lines to be on the board
sorry
 
3:29 AM
ugh
 
wait bad wording
 
oops forgot shift
 
there we go
 
wowee is this an overcomplication guess
 
@Deusovi ?
 
3:30 AM
master:
XXX
OOO
OXO
 
hold on mics
 
@micsthepick notjagan is guessing
 
sorry
I missed that
 
wait a minute, I have to go.
 
(What's the advantage of choosing master over mondo then?)
 
3:30 AM
so bye
 
cya
 
Counterexample:

OOX
OOX
OOX

is false (even though you could toggle anything in the left column and make there two winning tic-tac-toe lines)
 
@Sp3000 Noone gets stones
 
@Sp3000 not giving everyone a million guessing stones
 
@Sp3000 if you guess wrong, you may let other people stockpile stones
you can use multiple on your turn if you want
 
3:31 AM
oh another guess then
 
okay, you have one stone left
 
anyway, I'm just gonna make a parting comment
 
Guess: Exactly one tile can be toggled (O to X, vice versa) in order for exactly two winning tic-tac-toe lines to be on the board for the same tile type (O or X) as what was toggled to
 
I was actually pretty sure it was just going to be if it was a valid tic tac toe game
 
So... Is the goal for you alone to be the correct guesser or is this a group collab defend/attack thing like Contact?
 
3:32 AM
crap
don't answer that yet
I'm really bad at this, I forgot something
 
anyway bye
 
@Sp3000 You win by guessing the rule.
 
there we go
 
So there's a competitive part where you don't want others to win, right
 
counterexample:

OOO
OXO
OOO is true.
 
3:33 AM
ohhh
 
O-0
 
You've used up all your guessing stones. @micsthepick, you're up.
 
I say "ohhh" but I still have no clue what's happening
 
grr
4 mins ago, by micsthepick
master:
XXX
OOO
OXO
 
Ah.
That's true.
@DestructibleLemon, you're up.
Oh, he left.
@boboquack, you're up then.
 
3:36 AM
Did I not get a chance to guess?
 
it was true
 
Oh, you can.
Go on.
 
oh for the rule
 
if you have a stone
 
Mics has two.
 
3:37 AM
the pattern fails at the latest counterexample, so no guess for me anyway
 
Alright. @boboquack, you here?
If not, I guess it's @JohnDvorak's turn, and we're down to three players besides me.
 
If so...
Master: XXX/XXX/XXX
 
False.
 
I'm here
sorry
 
Oh
alright, you're after John now
 
3:39 AM
also I just realized that the counterexample provided to my second rule didn't work
 
and unless John wants to guess, you're up
 
pass
 
7 mins ago, by Deusovi
counterexample:

OOO
OXO
OOO is true.
 
@notjagan It didn't? Seemed to work to me. You can't do the toggle to get exactly two tic-tac-toe wins of any type, but it's true according to my rule.
 
you get four wins with O's because of diagonals
 
3:40 AM
@Deusovi you can toggle a corner
 
@JohnDvorak Ah, right. Well, that doesn't work for the type you toggled it to, which was part of his rule.
 
oh oops, I misinterpreted the counterexample as something that doesn't follow your rule that follows mine
 
Nope, that one's the other way around
 
I didn't really read the "is true" part
 
anyway, @boboquack, you're up
 
3:42 AM
actually, unpass if I may
May I guess?
 
I'd like this game to have some semblance of organization. But fine, since Bobo hasn't responded
 
There is at least one non-monotonous row (OXO or XOX)
 
Counterexample:

OXO
OXO
OXO is false.
 
out of stones
 
Alright, now it's @Boboquack's turn. If he shows up.
 
3:45 AM
I read the ping, but also saw Jan's thing
 
ah, alright
 
Mondo
OOO
XOX
OXO
Guess false
 
false
 
false
 
True
 
3:46 AM
and mics is the only one who gets a guessing stone! it was true
 
wow
 
Bobo, you have one stone. Want to guess?
 
Hmm
That ruined my previous guess
Pass
 
I have so many stones but so little valid patterns
 
@notjagan?
 
3:48 AM
hmm
Master
oops
Master: XXX/XOX/XXX
 
True.
 
no guesses for me
 
@mics?
 
mondo:
OOO
OOO
OOO
(False)
 
false
 
3:51 AM
false
 
@boboquack?
 
true
 
It's false.
 
cool, I have another stone to fruitlessly throw at a wall
 
Would you like to throw it at said wall now or wait until later?
 
3:53 AM
am I allowed to guess as soon as I receive a stone, or does it have to be my turn?
 
Has to be your turn. But luckily, it's the end of your turn right now.
 
wait, it's the end of mics's turn
 
oh wait
yeah, whoops
@micsthepick, would you like to throw your stone at the aforementioned wall?
 
pass
 
alright. @JohnDvorak?
 
3:54 AM
Master XXX/XOO/OOO
 
False.
Guess?
 
pass
 
@boboquack?
 
hmm
thinking
sorry
Mondo:
OOX
OXX
XXX
guess false
 
true
 
3:57 AM
@JohnDvorak, @notjagan, @micsthepick?
...Hello?
 
Hi!
 
@JohnDvorak? @micsthepick? You there?
 
Sid
Hm.. this game seems to be stretching
 
sorry, router dying
guess false
 
@Sid People are being slow to respond.
 

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