Development of Cthulhu

Mr. Xcoder

13:44

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well, It will not have imp printing, for structural reasons

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder up to you, but there's no reason not to make it more competitive in code golf

Mr. Xcoder

Inspired by C++, « is output everything till the end of the program, » is input. You can read more on I/O stuff here

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder yeah I read it already. It sounds good!

Mr. Xcoder

It will have lots, lots of numerical constants, because it's number-manipulation

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder one for every number up to 1000? :P

Mr. Xcoder

13:47

@cairdcoinheringaahing Let's move to chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/62363/development-of-cthulhu, we're off-topic

Hi

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder hi

Mr. Xcoder

No, not for every number up to 100000

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder It has a custom code page right?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Will use SBCS I think

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not yet

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder heh people actually care about that :)

mind if I move the messages there then?

caird coinheringaahing

13:48

@Mr.Xcoder you could have like a numerical literal

Mr. Xcoder

It will have constants for 0,1,2,3,5,10,20, 25, 50, 75, 100, 500, 1000, 1M (at least those for now)

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Erik asked you something in Hypertraining

Mr. Xcoder

Now, what shall we talk about next?

@cairdcoinheringaahing He's here

@EriktheOutgolfer No

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder yeah but its about moving messages

Erik the Outgolfer

ok then

Mr. Xcoder

13:49

@cairdcoinheringaahing Read again

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder beat me to it :P

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer I mean, I don't mind. Please move them.

(Misunderstanding)

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder could you add a link to Cthulhu in the room description?

Erik the Outgolfer

← 13 messages moved from Jelly Hypertraining

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Good idea

room topic changed to Development of Cthulhu : Room for the development of Cthulhu [code-golf]

room topic changed to Development of Cthulhu : Room for the development of Cthulhu (github.com/Mr-Xcoder/Cthulhu) [code-golf]

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ask me something about CThulhu

caird coinheringaahing

13:52

@Mr.Xcoder hold on, I'm reading the docs

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Sure, after that

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder given that its about numbers, wouldn't it make sense to have complex numbers as a type?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes, I think I'll incorporate them into floats :)

As you can tell, the docs are incomplete

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder yeah :P Just a quick question, why prefix notation? Postfix is easier to implement

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Make sure to be on this branch: github.com/Mr-Xcoder/Cthulhu/tree/Readme.md-edits (Readme.md-edits)

caird coinheringaahing

13:55

@Mr.Xcoder on it already

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Easier?

IDK, maybe I'll change prefix

Or maybe not

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder for parsing and argument referencing. Is it stack based?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing It uses attrdicts as Jelly, so I haven't decided yet

It will probably be stack based or tacit

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder have fun with tacit. Don't take any of my advice for language design, but tacit kills making it about 5 times more than learning it

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing I think it will be stack-based anyway

brb getting water

caird coinheringaahing

13:59

@Mr.Xcoder this was my one and only attempt at tacit programming language design, and its so basic that its worse than bra*nfuck

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Won't be tacit, it's too hard

@cairdcoinheringaahing Any other Qs on Cthulhu?

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder yeah, why did you code the is_fibonacci function that way? Code Review would murder you :P

Mr. Xcoder

Oh, It will have built-ins for: primes, fibonacci stuff, math constants (e, pi, phi,...)

@cairdcoinheringaahing I didn't yet push the improved version

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder oh, ok. Are the characters all ones that you can type on a mac?

Mr. Xcoder

BTW, that's very efficient

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not all. There will be a couple of exceptions

caird coinheringaahing

14:06

@Mr.Xcoder I've pretty much run out of questions :P except, is it going to be on TIO when its done?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing If Dennis is willing to put it on TIO, it will be

@cairdcoinheringaahing ╪ will be 4-way palindromization (not on mac keyboard)

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder how does that work? and what is that?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing For example:

abcd

dcbaabcd

2 way palindromization ^

and 4 way will be used for multiline:

abcd

dcbaabcd
dcbaabcd

totallyhuman

in Jelly Hypertraining, 24 secs ago, by totallyhuman

there's a space in the name ಠ_ಠ

at the end

Mr. Xcoder

Not my fault

totallyhuman

14:11

so the name of the room is "Development of Cthulhu "

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman that's the only reason you're here right?

totallyhuman

mostly yes

Mr. Xcoder

room topic changed to Development of Cthulhu: Room for the development of Cthulhu (github.com/Mr-Xcoder/Cthulhu) [code-golf]

totallyhuman

:P

Mr. Xcoder

@totallyhuman Thanks

@cairdcoinheringaahing My personal favourite will be ⤡. It will switch something that I won't yet reveal (because I don't know if I am capable of implementing it)

caird coinheringaahing

14:13

@Mr.Xcoder if you can't, I'd be willing to help

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hopefully it will be competitive in number Challenges

@cairdcoinheringaahing I ping you if I am stuck

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder I would've thought that this would be 4 way palindromization

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Now, I want to compare Jelly and Cthulhu in a couple of CMCs.

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's a better idea. I think I'll switch to that instead. Thanks :)

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder you're welcome!

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Willing to help with the jelly?

caird coinheringaahing

14:15

@Mr.Xcoder sure, I've got nothing else to do

Mr. Xcoder

Great. First of all: factorial of a given positive integer (start from simple)

caird coinheringaahing

Jelly, 1 byte: !

Mr. Xcoder

Cthulhu: «¡

Jelly: 1, Cthulhu: 0

CMC #2: divisors of an integer

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder ignore input and output commands though, because that's a major difference in the language, rather than the builtins

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Input will be implicit at the end :))

caird coinheringaahing

14:18

Jelly, 2 bytes: ÆD

brb, getting phone

Mr. Xcoder

Cthulhu: «D

Jelly: 1 - Cthulhu: 0

CMC #3: Prime factorization of a given integer

Cthulhu: «P

caird coinheringaahing

Jelly, 2 btes: ÆF

Mr. Xcoder

Jelly: 1 - Cthulhu: 0

caird coinheringaahing

CMC: Is it triangular?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Cthulhu: «∆

caird coinheringaahing

14:22

@Mr.Xcoder Jelly: ×8‘Æ²

Mr. Xcoder

Jelly: 1 - Cthulhu: 1

caird coinheringaahing

CMC: Even or odd?

Jelly, 1 byte: Ḃ

Mr. Xcoder

«Ø

Jelly: 2 - Cthulhu: 1

(Starred to remind what I should implement)

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder CMC: quine

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing None yet

CMC: Is it a fibonacci number?

Cthulhu: «ﬁ

caird coinheringaahing

14:25

@Mr.Xcoder very long in Jelly. Longer than 2 bytes, at least

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ok

CMC: Nth Fibonacci

Cthulhu: «ﬂ

caird coinheringaahing

Is Cthulhu also designed for sequences?

Jelly, 2 bytes: ÆḞ

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing It will have cool sequence stuff too

caird coinheringaahing

in Jelly Hypertraining, 5 hours ago, by Cows quack

CMC: given n, find the n-th term in the sequence 1 5 14 30 55 91 140 204 285 ...

Mr. Xcoder

I should make printing implicit if there's no occurrence of « in the program

caird coinheringaahing

14:27

Jelly, 3 bytes: R²S

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Cthulhu: «ß∆

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder range, square, sum?

Mr. Xcoder

I don't yet know if it is «ß∆ or «ß∆»

@cairdcoinheringaahing No

I messed it up, sorry

@cairdcoinheringaahing This is correct: «²∆

Jelly: 3 - Cthulhu: 2

caird coinheringaahing

What does ∆ do (or is going to do)?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing If it is in a function (except for print), it will return the Nth triangular number. If it is alone, it will check if a number is triangular

caird coinheringaahing

14:32

@Mr.Xcoder clever, 2 different meanings

How do you define functions?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing If I will be able to do it, it is clever

@cairdcoinheringaahing You cannot just yet

You cannot do much just yet

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder when I ask "How does this work" or "How do you" etc. it usually means when its finished

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing I would like it to be like this: F(<list of parameters>)<return stuff>

Like a lambda: F(abc)++abc

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder you could always use implicit arguments if using a stack

e.g. F(3)++ takes 3 arguments and adds them

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Of course, that's why I added ()

That's the final form: If the user has [], that means they want to name their own 1-char parameters. If not, they do F<number of args>)<a,b,c,...,alphabet[number]>

Bad grammar

caird coinheringaahing

14:38

@Mr.Xcoder what about going into uppercase as well, and have a max of 52 arguments?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Who would use 52 args in Cthulhu?

Who would use 26?

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder you never know?

Can't hurt

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing They can take it as a list with 52 elements

@cairdcoinheringaahing I will add that

@cairdcoinheringaahing Example

F[abc]++abc

@cairdcoinheringaahing F3)++abc or F3)∑p.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder one char function names?

Mr. Xcoder

Where p represents the list formed by its parameters

@cairdcoinheringaahing You mean, how to name and call them?

The function names are implicit

caird coinheringaahing

14:43

@Mr.Xcoder so does F tell the interpreter that its a function?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes. Like def in Python

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder aah, ok. I thought that F was the name of the function

@Mr.Xcoder how do you call functions then?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing You may only define up to 3 functions per program. The first one will implicitly be called $, the second one §, the third one £.

You can call them like this:

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder how about expanding but 4 => $$, 5=> $§, 6 => $£ etc?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Maybe will add that after I complete the functions in the first place

E.g: F3)∑p<blahblah>$<parameters>).

Or F2)+abF3)∑p+$1 2)§1 2 3).

This will output:

9

caird coinheringaahing

14:48

@Mr.Xcoder looks good (if not complicated)

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Unfortunately, I have to go now. See you when I... see you! Ping me here if you have questions. I'll reply as soon as I see them

Bye!

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder bye!

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Development of Cthulhu