The Awkward Silence

Magisch

06:05

morning

Henders

08:01

@AJ Am I?

A J

@Henders Your fishes.

Henders

Ah, yeah. No time yesterday unfortunately.

Extroverted Main Man

08:17

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Q: Can somebody give me some advice on this long distance relationship?

I am in a long distance relationship, it is happy and there is a lot of love there, I am very grateful for that, I do have a small problem and am looking for any advice on what to do. Her and I have been together for 6 months officially (one year unofficial but exclusive) and have never gone mo...

Cashbee

12:11

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Extroverted Main Man

13:17

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Q: How can I get someone's attention who is listening to music without being rude?

At work a few weeks ago, a coworker was listening to music with her earphones in, and I needed to ask her a question because a piece of code I was writing was not working and she often helps me debug things. I pulled her earphones out of her ear and she looked at me really angrily for doing that,...

coworkers

IPS Comment Bot

I understand the point of it, what I'm curious about is how you bring up the "proof" without seeming defensive or arrogant? Personally I have no idea how I'd interject that into the conversation naturally, which is why I asked if you had an example. — Em C 1 min ago

#15045 Em C (7318 rep) | A: How to avoid participating in a team-building trip without causing bad feelings for coworkers? (score: 1) | posted 3 hours ago by Astralbee (13295 rep)

Matched regex(es) ["experimental(@mith)"]

Tinkeringbell

13:36

Okay, this is going nowhere constructive.

We're not going to have that discussion this way and in here.

Cascabel

beat me to it!

There are reasonable things to discuss on those topics but ranting back and forth isn't exactly a discussion.

Tinkeringbell

@Cascabel Took me long enough...

Cascabel

Let's drop it for now; it's not a discussion to have with folks too worked up. (and that includes dropping the meta "talking about how we can't talk about it" conversation)

2

I gotta run in just a minute, unfortunately, have a good morning/day y'all.

Tinkeringbell

@Cascabel You too, nice <whatever timezone you're in> :)

doppelgreener

14:11

Please ensure this chat is maintained as a constructive place for discussion about the site itself and with fellow members. Complaints about behaviour should be actioned constructively on Interpersonal Meta. This chat shouldn't be a space for rants, hatchet-grinding, nor directly disparaging other members of the community (non-diamonds or diamonds alike). There's been several kicks, trashings, deletions and I've had to issue a couple of suspensions over the past day and that's unfortunate.

Please maintain the space as friendly and welcoming and be respectful to your fellow members and their efforts.

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(That might not always be the case, and isn't the case for all chats, but right now I gather we're trying to do Not That here after a lot of That)

IPS Comment Bot

14:31

Could not agree more with everything said. But here's an improvement suggestion: apologize for the past approaches. She might still be bugged out by them (I would be). — Cashbee 10 secs ago

#15047 Cashbee (3308 rep) | A: How can I get a coworker's attention who is listening to music without being rude? (score: 15) | posted 1 hours ago by user3399 (2228 rep) | edited 12 minutes ago by OldPadawan (11510 rep)

Matched regex(es) ["chatty"]

Extroverted Main Man

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Q: How to introduce yourself to a friend of a friend?

The other day I went to an event which I'd agreed to go to with a friend of mine. She came with her Mum, who I knew, and one other person, who I'd never met before. Since there were no introductions extended to me, I didn't know what to do and basically ignored this other person, as I'm rather in...

friends introductions

Cashbee

@sphennings was there a ninja edit that I'm not aware of, or do you think the last sentence is not enough? interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/15052/…

sphennings

@Cashbee I don't think that sentence is enough.

Ideally I'd like to see an edit that provide some explanation for why this will work. Not just "do this, you'll get this response"

Cashbee

14:46

@sphennings I see how it is a little scarce, but at least they do have some amount of explanation to their approach. Your rather harsh comment could scare that user off

sphennings

@Cashbee Can you suggest a better way of wording my comment?

Cashbee

@sphennings give me a minute ;)

sphennings

@Cashbee Sure thing. I've found that this formulation is relatively successful in getting newer users to edit their posts, but I'm always open to suggestions to improve it.

IPS Comment Bot

People that say that sneezing is impolite are not to be listened to. It's an important function of your body. Suppressing it is unhealthy and can lead to internal injuries and it is so much more annoying to hear five suppressed sneezes than two real ones. Farting and burping are different due to smelly gasses. — Steffen Winkler 12 secs ago

#5423 Steffen Winkler (101 rep) | A: How to communicate to my co-workers that they don't have to say "bless you" when I sneeze? (score: 20) | posted 226 days ago by OldPadawan (11510 rep) | edited 226 days ago by OldPadawan (11510 rep)

Matched regex(es) ["+1"]

Cashbee

@sphennings oh in that case i will not argue against successful experience. Then i will just say that maybe putting a question mark in the end, and saying "could" instead of "can" could make a difference

also IIRC you're native english, while I'm not 😉

sphennings

14:54

@Cashbee I know plenty of non native speakers who have a better grasp of the language than the average native.

Cashbee

@sphennings that's true but you don't strike me as the average native

sphennings

@Cashbee Thanks. :)

IPS Comment Bot

15:14

I have to say, I agree with @DmitryGrigoryev somewhat. This answer is about the legal and procedural aspects of maternity in the workplace. It doesn't focus on the best way to finesse the situation with the Boss. While good advice, If the OP wanted Legal or HR advice there are other sites for that. What is the polite way to inform said Boss and keep them "on-side" (no assumptions about illegal and inappropriate response?) I suspect the pregnancy is not as secret as the OP thinks and early disclosure is best, purely from an IPS perspective but, that is not what you say. — Jodrell 58 secs ago

#15028 Jodrell (101 rep) | A: How to tell boss about pregnancy? (score: 28) | posted 33 hours ago by StephenG (5303 rep)

Matched regex(es) ["chatty"]

Em C

17:10

anyone else seeing this? or is it just me?

user15026

I can't repro (using desktop Chrome)

sphennings

I'm not seeing it.

Chrome Linux

Em C

dang

it's probably IT here, then

if it stays this will put a severe damper on my SE participation :'(

hmm, it appears to be a problem with the jquery load... surely they wouldn't block that...

Introverted Meta Man.

17:31

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Q: Don't kill the messenger; take it to meta

It seems we've been dealing with some backlash surrounding the enforcement of the back-it-up policy, (among other things.) I'd like to remind everyone that there's already a process available for challenging policies that they disagree with and it's nothing new: Take it to meta. If you find yo...

discussion moderation policy

Extroverted Main Man

18:17

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Q: How to model argument as less subjective

As a topic for an open ended presentation project I chose to parallel the evolution of my introspection and show how I resolved the misunderstandings with ideas similar to those made by Heidegger in “Being and Time”, but as much as I try to incorporate a less philosophy heavy presentation it’s ha...

school religion speaking

Em C

hooray, it magically fixed itself! I'm considering that my reward for the frustrating meeting I just sat through :P

Tinkeringbell

@EmC That bad huh?

user15026

@EmC Glad it sorted itself out :)

Em C

@Tinkeringbell "due to recent security incidents.." sigh

Tinkeringbell

@EmC Ah, nice. Security. I'm going to work for a new client, which means I'll have to have a new laptop because the one my company provides won't allow me to access their environment and vice-versa

Em C

18:24

my favorite part was that we aren't supposed to install software that's not on their approved list. but we also can't actually look at the list ourselves, we have to call IT to check if it's on the list. >:(

Tinkeringbell

Which means I have to start up a laptop I don't use every 3 months for updates and password changes, otherwise I'll get angry e-mails that my security isn't up to date and I'll be a security risk...

user15026

@EmC That's rather frustrating and time consuming :/

Em C

@Tinkeringbell ugh, similar stuff here, it sucks

Tinkeringbell

@EmC Ah. Our company at least made the list public, sad thing is most of it isn't the best software for the job from time to time

Em C

yeah, with ours they have to approve version-by-version, so you're stuck using old versions until they add the new one to the list

Tinkeringbell

18:27

@EmC Ugh! Yours is definitely worse :P

You win this round ;)

Em C

haha :P mostly I've gotten my workstation to a livable state

the guy who presented was talking in very general terms and then people started asking real questions like "so what about hardware drivers? or plugins" and you could tell he wasn't really prepared for us, lol

Tinkeringbell

@EmC Oooh... that reminds me of some talks I was given :P Also, I can imagine his pain :)

Em C

@Tinkeringbell haha :) I just stayed quiet, no need to draw attention to my "creative setup" as the manager put it :P

sphennings

My manager actively encouraged me to install a different OS on my laptop from the one installed on it by IT.

As long as I don't come running to IT when I break something IT official policy is that they don't care.

Em C

nice :)

user15026

18:40

We don't really have formal IT at my work, we're too small for that

sphennings

You have my sympathies. I quite like being able to check out new software packages as needed.

user15026

Sometimes that's frustrating, sometimes that's a blessing

Em C

the local IT guys here are nice, fortunately. one of my coworkers has to work with them a lot, so we're all friendly :)

sphennings

My partner has a policy of making sure to drop off some cookies with the IT department whenever they've baked some. It's always good to keep IT and payroll happy.

Em C

aw, that's nice. those are two groups of people you don't want to get on the bad side of :P

Tinkeringbell

18:48

@sphennings Could IPS moderators be added to that list too? :)

sphennings

@Tinkeringbell They're not on IPS so they have less of an incentive to bake cookies for you. I don't know how cookies hold up to international shipping.

Tinkeringbell

@sphennings Pretty well, if packed right :) I received some for a secret santa last year :)

sphennings

I have a feeling they'd tell me to bake my own damn cookies if I asked them. :p

Which is reminding me that it's been years since I've baked anything.

user15026

19:05

@sphennings You should fix this, cookies are tasty :D

Tinkeringbell

@Ash I must admit, I can't remember the last time I made them either :P

I guess that'll be a summer holiday project too :D

sphennings

@Ash They are. I tend to prefer savory over sweat though. If I was going to bake something some American style biscuits would be my first choice.

user15026

the last thing I made was brownies I think

user15026

@sphennings This reminds me I have the stuff for cheddar garlic biscuits :D

sphennings

@Ash Those sound yummy.

Tinkeringbell

19:08

@Ash Wait... cheese and garlic cookies?

I guess the only thing they sell here is sweet cookies :P

Catija

@Tinkeringbell "Biscuits" in the US (Canada?) are more like scones.

Tinkeringbell

Goes to google scones

Catija

^^^ Biscuits.

Tinkeringbell

@Catija That looks very unfamiliar

Reminds me a bit of Soesjes, but this seems solid? No cream filling?

Catija

They're savory. delicious.

Tinkeringbell

19:10

@Catija Guess scones are added to the holiday list as well

I need more holiday :P

Catija

Those look like more of a pastry base?

Well, "scones" can be either sweet or savory. Biscuits are pretty much always savory.

sphennings

@Tinkeringbell They're solid all the way through. Savory scone is the closest translation into British English.

Tinkeringbell

I really eat to much 'boring' food :P

Catija

Depends, I guess. I love biscuits but they're pretty "boring". Especially in the South where they're practically a staple and are sold in pop tubes to bake at home.

Sid

do you mean biscuits as cookies?

Catija

19:18

:sigh: Nope! Biscuits in the US aren't cookies.

Sid

One of US or UK calls cookies as biscuits(or the other way round). I never know which one

Mithrandir24601

@Catija ... O.o ... Then, what does an (American English) scone look like?

Catija

The US calls biscuits the first image I posted above... Cookies are the flat things that are sweet and delicious.

@Mithrandir24601 Same as British ones... It's just easier to describe a biscuit as a "scone" when people may have heard what a scone is.

sphennings

@Mithrandir24601 An American scone is normally denser than a biscuit. Our scones are often cut into triangles while our biscuits are either rounds or blobs in the case of "drop biscuits".

Magisch

@Catija I wonder, what do you eat them with

Tinkeringbell

19:22

A Dutch biscuitje:

Magisch

Or are they literally just salty muffins?

Do they ... contain anything spicy?

Mithrandir24601

@Tinkeringbell That's not a Dutch biscuit! That's a rich tea biscuit - a staple part of the English diet!

@sphennings ::is confused::

sphennings

@Mithrandir24601 American scones may also be sweet while our biscuits aren't.

Catija

@Magisch Butter/jam. Slice them in half, slather them with butter, devour... alternately, cut them in half, top with things like sausage and gravy, eat open-faced with a fork.... alternately, cut them in half, put things inside like sausage and egg and eat like a sandwich.

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir24601 Well, that's what's known in The Netherlands as a biscuit, and is a symbol of stingyness :P

Catija

19:23

Tinkeringbell

It's also an ingredient of a no-bake chocolate cake, which is the only form in which I eat them

Magisch

So like some sort of bun?

Catija

Tinkeringbell

@Catija That's just a way of making mini hamburgers :P

sphennings

@Magisch Muffins are more cakelike.

Magisch

19:24

Looks all delicious

and I can't eat any of it :P

Catija

@Magisch They're very bready... the ones I make are like... three ingredients... flour, leavening, cream, salt.

Mithrandir24601

@Catija That looks similar to what I know as a muffin

sphennings

@Magisch Why not?

Magisch

lactose intolerant & some sort of allergic reaction to most types of meat

Where allergic reaction == violent stomach cramps

Mithrandir24601

@Catija That's another thing I don't get: what's leavening?

sphennings

19:25

I really want to give all of you the same biscuit recipe since it's so simple and hear your opinions after cooking it.

Magisch

I can eat dairy with some tablets but it's still not ideal

Catija

@Mithrandir24601 That's what we'd call an "English muffin". :P But they're different. They are griddled to cook them (on a stove) and have a different sort of leavener that causes the bubbles to form... these are baked in the oven.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Weren't you also not eating carbs? :P

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell Yes

well, few carbs

My diet is weird and complicated

Catija

@Mithrandir24601 Baking powder/baking soda/yeast... the first two are "chemical leaveners" yeast is a mechanical one.

Magisch

19:26

and often times entirely fueled by what's reduced at the grocer that day

Catija

Raising powder? I guess?

sphennings

@Mithrandir24601 Leavening is anything that will add co2 to a dough to make it rise.

Magisch

so like baking soda?

sphennings

@Magisch Yes.

Catija

@Magisch are you ignoring me?

:P

Magisch

19:27

raising powder = baking soda?

my english isn't so good

Catija

@Magisch Yeah, I don't know... I pulled that word out of my brain somewhere and I think it's an old term for... something. begoodorganics.com/products/raising-powder

sphennings

I've never heard it called rising power before but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the term in another dialect.

Mithrandir24601

@Catija I'm happy with that :)

@Catija Ahh, so it's not the name of a specific ingredient... Makes more sense now

Magisch

RAISE YOUR BISCUITS ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ

Raise them!

Catija

Yes! It's a classification of ingredient.

Magisch

19:30

Wait

you specifically mentioned baking powder

and I skimmed the entry only

Catija

If I ask someone "how is it leavened", I expect to hear whether it uses yeast or baking soda or baking powder or eggs... etc.

Magisch

I never heard the phrase leavening before

Catija

I think a lot of people don't know it... I just happen to bake a lot.

FreezePhoenix

hello

sphennings

It's an uncommon term outside of technical discussions of baking and certain religious foods.

Mithrandir24601

19:35

We learned about things like unleavened bread in school before - we'd just normally use 'leavening' as an adjective and not a noun :P

sphennings

Because of the peculiarities of English leavening is anything used to leaven.

Catija

Air is a form of leavening. :P

(usually in the form of whipped egg whites)

Magisch

19:50

(unrelated I guess)

FreezePhoenix

@Magisch ... long time no see. You probably don't know be, but I know you.

Catija

Sandcat?

Magisch

Yeah sand cat

Tinkeringbell

Why the sand cat?

It's cute :)

FreezePhoenix

@Magisch why no smiley face anymore?

Magisch

19:52

in my opinion, anyone can use a sand cat

Tinkeringbell

If we're posting unrelated things:

My Triceratops so far. Guess I'm almost done until I have time to pick up some safety eyes

Magisch

That looks like a multiseasonal bulbasaur

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FreezePhoenix

@Tinkeringbell 0_0 thats what you were crocheting?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Hahaha LOL :D That's a nice description. The official term for it is 'scrap yarn' or 'stash buster' I believe :P

@FreezePhoenix That's what I'm working on now. I'm always working on something, I hope to have this finished at the end of this weekend.

FreezePhoenix

@Magisch hows RLemon doing?

Sid

19:55

My mom thinks I am spending too much time with my laptop. :(

user15026

20:16

@Tinkeringbell This is excellent

Tinkeringbell

20:26

@Ash Thanks :D I'll post a pic somewhere when it's done... I need a Work in Progress room :P

FreezePhoenix

@Tinkeringbell chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/75397/raphiels-playground Will now include "polite conversation"

user15026

@Tinkeringbell I like seeing your pictures of your stuff, it's always so neat :)

Tinkeringbell

@Ash Well, there might very well be a hiatus soon. I have pirated some patterns that I need to sort ;)

Might take me a few weeks, instead of crocheting :P

sphennings

20:51

This question seems to invite low quality answers. I've had to tell people that we need answers saying more than "Do this" 4 different times today.

scohe001

@sphennings looks like two of them only just joined IPS today and the other two only started posting today. Probably not much we can do with one-off users like that

sphennings

@scohe001 I know. I'm just frustrated is all.

Mithrandir

I've now had this splinter stuck in there for 31 hours. None of the usual methods are working :(

scohe001

@sphennings ahh I feel your pain. At least they’re getting cleaned up pretty well. I’d pitch in with a delete vote if I could :)

TheTinyMan

21:06

Hi everyone! :-)

sphennings

@scohe001 I'd much rather see an edit rather than need them to be cleaned up.

The thing is that they all provided an good enough answer they just needed to provide some supporting arguments.

ArtOfCode

21:53

@Mithrandir needle?

spiral succulent

havent been around in awhile, hi yall

TheTinyMan

Hiya!

spiral succulent

changing comment button to 'suggest an improvement' is awweeesooomme

hearing about it, it doesnt sound like a big change (i think it was being discussed last time I was hanging out here) but i experienced it in action and it caused me to re-evaluate what I was about to write each time I moved my mouse over it

TheTinyMan

I've accidentally submitted a bunch of comments as answers because I saw a text field where my autopilot-brain thought "comment" behavior should be, and it didn't see a "comment" button. xD

spiral succulent

haha, i guess thats a potential side effect of the change

TheTinyMan

22:01

It's still probably a more effective design, since it's being designed for people who are newer to the site and don't have the muscle-memory that I do

spiral succulent

its amazing the way our brains subconciously interact with UI elements, especially one's we are used to

TheTinyMan

yep

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