The Awkward Silence

apaul

3:10 AM

The state of the union is... Nationalistic and sad.

Catija

I"m watching Emma instead. I don't need to listen to that.

apaul

@Catija Ya, I think I'll switch back to Fear the Walking Dead... Oddly more upbeat and there's some brains out to use.

thesecretmaster

3:41 AM

!!/alive ips

IPS Comment Bot

I'm alive and well :)

thesecretmaster

Sorry for the disturbance y'all, just had to check a thing.

D.Hutchinson

4:04 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 where's Kenorb?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Why are you asking me this in here?

D.Hutchinson

Oh, true

wrong room

SmokeDetector

4:41 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: How to find out how my father would like us to decide for him with regard to medical treatment? by Bridget on interpersonal.SE (@Tinkeringbell)

A J

5:04 AM

@SmokeDetector Someone upvoted this spam. O.o

Extroverted Main Man

0

Q: Politely telling someone a claim they “shared” is false

I’m a chemistry major and I’m not always right (I hope the Title doesn’t imply I know everything, feel free to edit the title to something more fit.) My question is similar to this except the person is usually not passionate about it. I have friends who post things about vaccines causing autism,...

A J

Is an answer or simply R/A?

A J

5:52 AM

@Ash o/

user15026

6:05 AM

Heya

A J

What's up?

Need opinion

user15026

6:24 AM

@AJ not much, reading when I should be sleeping (started a new fantasy novel tonight that is entertaining me)

user15026

You?

Magisch

7:06 AM

morning

Tinkeringbell

7:21 AM

@Magisch hello!

Anyone here know if it's possible to assert a certain format of a filename e.g. with SonarQube or Jenkins?

JAD

do you mean that every file created follows a certain format?

Tinkeringbell

Yeah....

We're using flyway and those have to have at least the right amount of numbers otherwise the files will be executed out of order... :/

So if someone forgets e.g. a number, that file will end up on top and cause errors...

JAD

sounds like something you want to check in a commit hook

Tinkeringbell

Now, they want me to write some documentation on 'how to act when that happens'... while I was being taught that 'there's an easy way to do that, that's what we have a buildserver for'.

@JAD Thanks, I'll start the googling from there :)

JAD

I'm assuming that these file formats have something to do with code files at least

or is it that the code is producing files that should follow a format?

Tinkeringbell

7:36 AM

@JAD No, the file formats are for .sql files.. :)

That we handcraft :)

JAD

and I assume commit into some version control system

Tinkeringbell

@JAD No, we use a usb stick to share stuff :)

JAD

@Tinkeringbell hmm, that might be trickier

Tinkeringbell

(The project is on github) :P

JAD

maybe a sticky note?

2

Q: Git hook to reject commits where files contain a specific string

I am using Guard with Rspec; I use focus: true to force it run only tests I am working on. But sometimes I forget to remove focus: true and it is causing distraction for my future self and people I work with. I want to make a git hook that would check the spec folder to make sure there is no foc...

git

maybe that's a place to start

Tinkeringbell

7:39 AM

I'll see... :) Thank you!

D.Hutchinson

Hi @Tinkeringbell :)

Magisch

7:57 AM

@Tinkeringbell o_O?

Extroverted Main Man

8:09 AM

0

Q: Asking a girl whether she would like to dance with me

When I'm at a club and see a girl dancing and having a good time and doesn't obviously seem to be paired off with anyone else, i.e. she may not have a "date" for the night or a significant other, how could I ask her whether she would like to dance with me? For context, the music in the club is u...

conversations united-states dances

Mithrandir

@Ash What's the title?

A J

8:39 AM

2nd user to get Electorate Badge. \o/

Tinkeringbell

@AJ Who's the first?

A J

NVZ

Tinkeringbell

I need another 322 votes I think ;)

How many total votes do you have?

A J

949 till now

@Tinkeringbell You should really vote.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch That's the kind of stuff you can enforce, you don't need to write rules on how to handle stuff when it goes wrong if you make 'going wrong' impossible :)

@D.Hutchinson Morning

@AJ Yeah, I'm behind on voting, I know...

A J

8:49 AM

@Tinkeringbell wanna go through? ;)

Tinkeringbell

@AJ Not going to do that. That's cheating.

A J

I missed a lot of stuff in Aug-Sept and December. So, I am going through them.

Tinkeringbell

I'll just take stuff as it comes up ;)

Upvotes for the really good stuff

downvotes for the particular bad stuff.

A J

That badge counts both votes

Tinkeringbell

@AJ I know... Just saying that I am picky and often just neutral ;)

A J

8:53 AM

oh

Mithrandir

9:09 AM

Yeah, same here...

...except I'm very stingy with my upvotes.

A J

ok

63

Q: A visa to visit the island that switches countries every six months?

So the island of Faisans is in France/Spain. Yes, both. For six months of the year, from February 1 to 31 July, it's under Spanish rule - and for the following six months - it's under French control. So my question - do you need a Spanish visa during the 'Spanish time' and a French visa during ...

visas france spain faisans

LOL

JAD

isn't that question mostly moot because of Schengen?

A J

yep

Tinkeringbell

@JAD And it's apparently an unvisitable island too :P

A J

If no one can visit, then a bench seen on the photo is literally most pointless bench in Europe. — Mołot yesterday

Mithrandir

9:34 AM

del-pls, flag-pls | VLQ / NaA (non-IPS answer) | Co-tenants set up an inflatable pool outside my window. It's now breeding bugs. What can I do?

(my flag was disputed)

Extroverted Main Man

10:07 AM

0

Q: How to communicate with an 8 year long online friend?

Background: i am male, 20 years old friend is male, 18 years old Let's call my friend Dean, we know each other for nearly 8 years now and have played together on PlayStation pretty much every week since then. We laugh a lot, have the same taste in music, like games and memes. We write each o...

friends socializing online-relationships

IPS Comment Bot

10:22 AM

Oh yeah i have some Dean-typical things i could use to 'shit' on him a little bit - we often do this without getting offended. Music-wise it is a bit more difficult. Although it would be great we live in Austria and the music we listen to is mostly non-mainstream american hip hop :/ — hopsinat 14 secs ago

#9843 hopsinat (193 rep) | A: How to communicate with an 8 year long online friend? (score: 1) | posted 9 minutes ago by Markino (2865 rep)

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apaul

12:07 PM

Morning folks

Tinkeringbell

Morning! I just posted a research question, let's see what it does ;)

I changed the title ;)

0

Q: Is there any research showing whether sandwich feedbacks are more effective than other forms of feedback?

So, I've been taught to 'sandwich feedback'. For those that are unfamiliar with the term, it means you start and end with giving compliments, and put the feedback in between those compliments. For me, this feels very unnatural though and fake though. My gut feeling tells me it's unfair to make ...

academic-research feedback-methods

Tinkeringbell

12:31 PM

Ugh, the hypocrisy of some people :/

Mithrandir

Interesting question.

tosses an extra-rare upvote at it

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir If you could also upvote my comment so it stays visible that would be nice :)

I expect more comments :P

JAD

@Tinkeringbell akronchildrens.org/cms/resource_library/files/fb9415c71caa5602/…

Tinkeringbell

@JAD Read it, summarize it and make an answer :P

Btw, that doesn't specifically mention sandwiching does it?

JAD

hmm, found another paper, specifically on the effectiveness

@Tinkeringbell it's in image format, so no searching D:

Tinkeringbell

12:43 PM

'although this technique is often used, other techniques encourage self-reflection and MAY BE more effective and engaging

No hard claim either...

IPS Comment Bot

It is also colloquially known as the 'shit sandwich'. Have you tried Googling this term? — Astralbee 17 secs ago

#9847 Astralbee (4544 rep) | Q: Is there any research showing whether sandwich feedbacks are more effective than other forms of feedback? (score: 1) | posted 34 minutes ago by Tinkeringbell (12717 rep) | edited 19 minutes ago by Tinkeringbell (12717 rep)

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Tinkeringbell

^ They just don't give up, do they? I'm not going to answer that one, I'm looking for REsearch not GOOGLEsearch

JAD

google scholar generally is research

Tinkeringbell

@JAD let's just pretend I don't know that! :P Really, the answer I wrote encouraging research questions got a nice amount of upvotes... Should I then only ask questions for which the research still needs to be done? :P

(I just basically turned my question into a list type question :/ )

JAD

12:59 PM

not sure why the answer was downvoted though :S

Tinkeringbell

@JAD I think I have a hater, and they're just being nasty to you too for answering my question :)

Btw, I just spent almost the entire day trying to implement the regex filename stuff into SonarQube (you can make a rule for that), only to find out that we need a commercial plugin we're not going to get if we want to scan anything else than some default packages :/

Really, I consulted the co-worker and they were very anti git hook this morning and now that SonarQube doesn't work they're suddenly all for it ... they're being confusing! :)

JAD

xd

Tinkeringbell

morning?! @sphennings

JAD

I'm not familiar with SonarQube, like if it's real-time or not

Tinkeringbell

@JAD We have it running. It executes everytime Jenkins finishes a PR build and uploads some code quality feedback to GitHub

Or something like that. It's not like I know how it works either, I only learned Java not all this operations stuff.

JAD

1:06 PM

Hmm, I never worked on big projects, so idk either

Tinkeringbell

I'll figure it out eventually ;)

I have a first close vote ;)

Jefromi

@Tinkeringbell fwiw, I know people who are incredibly good at the sandwich technique to the point that it feels totally natural. It's just anecdotal, of course, but I think the technique can feel forced and ineffective, as you described, but it can also feel genuine and be quite effective.

Tinkeringbell

@Jefromi Yeah, but knowing makes you suspicious ;) At least for me, if someone gives me sandwiched feedback, no matter how natural it may be, when I reflect on it later on, I always start to doubt how genuine the compliments were or whether they where just there because the sandwich needed bread ;)

JAD

Hmm, my personal guess is that it's not as much about the formatting (sandwich or not) but more about the other factors, like the exact criticism, the mood of the people involved, etc.

Jefromi

That's the thing, though, I'm saying if they're good at it they really give genuine compliments that even afterwards seem real, and you end up with the impression that they really do see both good things and things to improve.

Tinkeringbell

1:13 PM

@Jefromi Ah, so I just don't know the right people ;) I'll try and find someone that can do that, and ask them to teach me :)

JAD

@Tinkeringbell or you are too suspicious :p

honestly, accepting compliments is a skill too

Tinkeringbell

@JAD I admit that I don't score very high on that one ;) I can do it, but like I said, sometimes it just feels like people are faking them...

Jefromi

Both seem true: giving criticism and compliments well is a rare skill, and avoiding defensiveness and trusting others' compliments is too.

JAD

hmm, I have similar problems though

Tinkeringbell

@JAD upvotes are easier to accept than compliments? :P

JAD

1:16 PM

Few weeks ago I got some feedback which made me raise my eyebrows. It was positive, but I didn't really feel like I was doing that good to warrant that though.

Then again, it came accompanied with a big raise, so I guess it was genuine

Tinkeringbell

I'm interested to see whether the close-votes will pile on... starts to prepare a nasty meta post! grin and maniacal laugh

@JAD Nice :)

JAD

@Tinkeringbell upvotes are always welcome

Tinkeringbell

That's often a good indication that they're not just looking for something good to say indeed ;)

JAD

@Tinkeringbell best response to positive feedback: "Oh just shut up and give me money"

Tinkeringbell

@JAD Unless people are actually giving you feedback that means you have to improve :P

JAD

1:18 PM

there fixed it

Jefromi

This may or may not help, but one way to look at it is as giving a full assessment, rather than just what you want changed. I know that's not always possible, sometimes an experience is entirely negative. But sometimes it's actually more accurate to give the compliments. "I liked these two dishes, but not this one." versus "I didn't like this dish."

Tinkeringbell

@Jefromi Telling people you didn't like their food is impolite either way ;) I get the point though, and I think I'm mainly struggling with the fact that I know very well what I don't like vs. I can't often point out what I do like

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected: I terminated a 2-year friendship because of an insult, was that the right decision? by Private on interpersonal.SE (@Tinkeringbell)

Tinkeringbell

@SmokeDetector Oh damn... I always forget to write comments first and vote later... now it's deleted without feedback :/

Jefromi

@Tinkeringbell yeah, it's tough, for sure - both in the sense of stepping back enough to stop focusing on the beginner, and in the sense of actually identifying the positive instead of taking it for granted.

A J

1:33 PM

Time to leave from office and see Lunar Eclipse if visible. \o/

Tinkeringbell

@AJ Oh yeah, you're having a blood moon over there aren't you?

No moon visible here, it's been raining the entire day

A J

I am not sure, but let's see

It's evening now.

JAD

@Jefromi trouble is that people will still focus on the negative feedback :/

@Tinkeringbell it's not gonna be visible here anyways

not if it was clear skies either

by the time the moon rises here the eclipse will have passed

Tinkeringbell

@JAD No moon... weren't we supposed to have a blue supermoon?

I didn't say we were going to have a bloodmoon ;)

JAD

that part yes, but the eclipse won't be visible here

Tinkeringbell

1:35 PM

@JAD I knew that :D

JAD

so @AJ tell us whether the moon becomes purple if you mix blue and red

A J

what?

Jefromi

@JAD see above about some people being good at it (making it clear it's their real overall view)

it's visible here! and fortunately just far enough south to see from my patio so I didn't have to really go out

Tinkeringbell

1:55 PM

@Jefromi Nice :)

Enjoy!

IPS Comment Bot

Not an answer, but something to consider: are your partner's standards for ascertaining whether a chore "needs" doing lower than yours? Are they, for example, happy to let washing pile up in the sink until they run out of clean cutlery? I mention this because it's a common root cause for this behaviour and, if so, a key part of your approach to this problem ought to be helping them understand that your standards are higher, and that's part of the reason for your dissatisfaction. — Bob Tway 58 secs ago

#9765 Bob Tway (1022 rep) | Q: How to ask my partner not to postpone chores? (score: 21) | posted 30 hours ago by clueless (693 rep) | edited 23 hours ago by clueless (693 rep)

Extroverted Main Man

3

Q: How can I convincingly communicate to a friend that I don't have a mobile number?

I really don't have a mobile number because of several negative experiences with mobile phones when I used to be a high-ranking public health official in city administration for a 2 year period in 2010-12. I am not active on any social media except Stack Exchange which is apparently not a social ...

socializing

IPS Comment Bot

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Tinkeringbell

NAA? interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/9857/1599

A J

No moon here. Did lunar eclipse consumed it all or it didn't rise here? O.o

Mithrandir

2:01 PM

@Tinkeringbell yeah

JAD

@Tinkeringbell I don't think it's a bad frame challenge tbh

Tinkeringbell

@JAD Of what? It's basically saying 'I couldn't find any evidence either!'

JAD

that it is a really hard thing to scientifically study

that's slightly stronger than "I couldn't find anything"

Tinkeringbell

@JAD At most, it then is a comment to the comments there, that this can't be solved with a quick google search!

Btw, I'm asking for comparisons to other feedback methods in the question, not for the standalone effectiveness of sandwhiching (which the answer seems to suggest)

JAD

@Tinkeringbell your question is "Is there..." which could plausibly be answered with no

Tinkeringbell

2:07 PM

It's basically arguiing on the definition of 'effective' which is something a good study will have defined before comparing stuff

And then it's assuming a question that isn't there.

JAD

@Tinkeringbell ok, so if study A has definition foo for effectiveness, and has as outcomes that sandwiching is good, and study B has definition bar, and turns out negative. How are you going to reach your conclusion?

IPS Comment Bot

It seems like some of the answers are not ideal because of your cultural context, perhaps you should add a location tag? — Em C 31 secs ago

#9852 Em C (4936 rep) | Q: How can I convincingly communicate to a friend that I don't have a mobile number? (score: 3) | posted 29 minutes ago by English Student (6249 rep) | edited 20 minutes ago by English Student (6249 rep)

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Tinkeringbell

@JAD By comparing them to each other and to other methods of feedback and then saying 'well, I want to reach this so...'

If you can find evidence that tells me sandwiches are good for A

and someone else posts but they are bad for achieving B

you're still both right... but at least know we know why

Introverted Meta Man.

2:23 PM

0

Q: Is the "communication" tag not allowed; and if so, why?

How can I convincingly communicate to a friend that I don't have a mobile number? While posting this question just now on the main site, I tried to add the "communication" tag but both the mobile site and the desktop site (which allows creation of new tags) says that the "communication" tag is n...

discussion tags

A J

Finally saw lunar eclipse. It's red moon. @JAD

Extroverted Main Man

2:45 PM

1

Q: How should I continue to have contact with this girl online?

Context All conversations I had with her are trough text messages, games and on occasion trough calls. We know each other for 3 years, with a big pause in between of 1.5 year (that ended last summer). We can actually talk about everything (not going into details) however since new years eve our...

conversations politeness online-interaction

IPS Comment Bot

3:26 PM

@Astralbee If you feel that a question should be closed then you shouldn't be answering it. A lack of research on something doesn't make it off topic for this site. It just means that the answer to the question is "no". — sphennings 2 mins ago

#9847 sphennings (1159 rep) | Q: Is there any research showing whether sandwich feedbacks are more effective than other forms of feedback? (score: 2) | posted 3 hours ago by Tinkeringbell (12737 rep) | edited 2 hours ago by Tinkeringbell (12737 rep)

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apaul

4:06 PM

Awkward...

Tinkeringbell

@apaul Meh..

apaul

@Tinkeringbell Meh? Meh!

Tinkeringbell

@apaul heh..

Sid

4:19 PM

@ExtrovertedMainMan Hmm. Sounds like the OP is in love but doesn't want to admit it....

Extroverted Main Man

4:35 PM

0

Q: Training a Colleague. How can I get her to put her phone away?

I’m trying to figure out if a colleague can improve her work quality by getting more soecialized training, or if she’s distracted by her phone. I don’t know how to tactfully handle this. My boss as directed me to train a coworker on a technical procedure in a GIS database. We have a shortage of ...

work-environment

apaul

@ExtrovertedMainMan Primarily opinion based...

apaul

4:53 PM

Ughhh really wish people would stop upvoting and answering poor quality questions...

sphennings

@apaul I know the feeling.

apaul

Seriously... A question with 3 comments pointing to the fact that the question was a poor fit, with 3 close votes, still scores +3 -1

sphennings

5:11 PM

I'm more miffed by the backlash to the question asking if there was research about the efficacy of a particular feedback technique.

Catija

@sphennings This is something we're going to really have to fight for. People will balk at them over and over until they start becoming a bigger part of the site... which they should. I'd much rather see that sort of question than "how do I tell my ____ that I ___ without getting ___".

Tinkeringbell

5:26 PM

@Catija I'm willing to take the backlash a few more times ;)

Catija

:D Good. I took it once already and I'm still burning :P

Tinkeringbell

@Catija meh.

Now there's regular nice people here so I'm not too afraid

I can spare the rep too :P

Soo.. if anyone has any good ideas?

I was thinking something historical next :)

sphennings

@Catija Those questions are boring they are all answered "You can't make them change. You can express your feelings by saying ___ to your ___."

Catija

@sphennings Yep.

JAD

@sphennings hehe, that might imply that we should start duping any such question :p

sphennings

5:35 PM

@JAD don't tempt me.

Catija

I'm pretty much convinced that, eventually, this site may take a major shift in scope... these "popcorn" questions will get boring to the users of the site and we'll make them more and more restricted in how to ask/answer them and what's required etc...

Tinkeringbell

5:46 PM

@JAD I've been seriously considering that too sometimes

@Catija yeah... It's one of those things that has me wondering sometimes too. If the site's going to fail, that's certainly one of the big things it may fail on..

apaul

6:13 PM

Hmm...

Tinkeringbell

@apaul I sense a distraction?

Extroverted Main Man

-1

Q: How to make my Eharmony Profile look good

So I'm trying to make my eHarmony account look good but I want to voice that I am patriotic nerd. I love all things nerdom, and I love the US. But I don't want to voice it like I'm this flag touting 'Murican who just happens to know more about Star Wars then is even necessary. And I think the way...

united-states relationships

Tinkeringbell

Or a different opinion ;)

apaul

@Tinkeringbell That, but I'm about to start a meeting so I'll have to start fires later.

IPS Comment Bot

You need to give us more detail on what you're trying to convey to others. "Good" is very subjective, and can be different from person to person. Better questions might be, "how can I express my 'nerdier' interests without turning off potential partners" or something of the sort. — Jess K. 1 min ago

#9881 Jess K. (7612 rep) | Q: How to make my Eharmony Profile look good (score: -3) | posted 20 minutes ago by Chancellor Purvis (1 rep)

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Anne Daunted

6:29 PM

5

Q: Is there any research showing whether sandwich feedbacks are more effective than other forms of feedback?

So, I've been taught to 'sandwich feedback'. For those that are unfamiliar with the term, it means you start and end with giving compliments, and put the feedback in between those compliments. For me, this feels very unnatural though and fake though. My gut feeling tells me it's weird to give c...

academic-research feedback-methods

4 close votes as off topic

honestly?

sphennings

@AnneDaunted We were just commenting on that.

Anne Daunted

At least, if it gets closed, we know who doesn't know what this site is about.

sphennings

@AnneDaunted That's a rather adversarial stance to take. There was conversation in the comments of that question before it was cleaned up. I'm pretty sure at least one close vote was retracted.

Anne Daunted

We shouldn't expect people who cast close (or reopen) votes to know the scope of the site, or at least educate themselves?

@sphennings When this question was wrongfully closed as off topic

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Q: Why was question 9645 closed as off topic? ("Why does a man pay for the first date with a woman?")

The question Why does a man pay for the first date with a woman? was closed as off-topic. First I will quote the latest meta post about the contents of the "On Topic" help pages: Questions about the following subjects are on topic for this site: [...] the written and unwritten - b...

discussion specific-question

none of the close voters felt the need to explain why

I got still two very useful answers. But not from close voters

sphennings

interpersonal.stackexchange.com/posts/9645/revisions

It's been closed 3 times

Anne Daunted

6:40 PM

yes, I know

sphennings

@AnneDaunted We should expect people who participate in community moderation to understand the rules and conventions of the site. Otherwise what is the point for having them.

Anne Daunted

Yes, that's my stance

Magisch

7:02 PM

@AnneDaunted Keep in mind that the topical focus of this isn't set in stone still

even on SO you get these kinds of disagreements from time to time and that site had 7 years to develop its focus

Tinkeringbell

7:21 PM

@AnneDaunted I'll survive ;)

But I understand the frustration very well...

Tinkeringbell

7:41 PM

@apaul Are you going to do it before my bedtime?

Or will I have a nice novel to read tomorrow morning :)

Extroverted Main Man

8:18 PM

0

Q: Discussing going to a psychiatrist

Background I'm a 22 year old male who had quite a rough past, however I will stick to what I think is important to the question. Around my 16 I stopped going to my dad and seeing him altogether(still the case now). This is a big event that happened. My mother helped me getting out of the situa...

conversations family politeness

apaul

9:07 PM

Nope.

sphennings

?

Mithrandir

@Magisch 10, no?

Extroverted Main Man

9:28 PM

1

Q: Means of expressing sympathy and understanding without saying "I know"

Recently I have been in a position where a friend of mine has been going through difficult times and has come to me as a shoulder to cry on and/or for emotional support. During these times I find myself saying "I know" a lot in response to their statements. Specifically, these are statements abou...

conversations friends misunderstandings

apaul

11:18 PM

@Tinkeringbell I was pretty much thinking that the academic questions aren't much better... They usually boil down to a "Let me Google that for you" and worse, when there aren't solid studies on the subject "Let me Google and stretch what I find to make it sound like science."

Catija

@apaul Well, congrats, you've just described most of SE.

Some people don't know how to read academic works... having someone "dumb it down" for them or rephrase it can help.

Some people don't have access to them... which is another thing.

apaul

@Catija So... The whole thing is pointless then?

Catija

@apaul As is life.

apaul

@Catija As long as we're all on the same page ;)

Sorry, having an F it kind of day. The stupid boss has systematically pissed everyone on the staff off and alienated one of our best clients. I'm struggling to play nice...

@Catija ... And with uncanny timing... interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/9696/…

Catija

11:34 PM

@apaul Ouch. :/

Do you have any contact with the upper boss lady?

apaul

@Catija already rolled stupid boss under the bus.

Catija

Good job!

I suppose boss lady still isn't regretting her choice to give stupid boss the job?

apaul

So... Do I really have to play nice? 😈

@Catija I think she's been regretting it for a while, yet to do much about it though.

Catija

"Have to"... no. You never "have to" do anything... You just have to be cognizant of the repercussions of your actions.

But, do keep in mind that you are somewhat reluctant to accept that advice sent your way is ... fair?

apaul

@Catija Fair?

Really?

Catija

11:39 PM

@apaul I seem to remember a discussion about burying the lede.

apaul

@Catija Depends on what you consider to be the important part of the answer. The specific question was more or less an XY problem, the surrounding info would be more valuable in that case.

Catija

I'm not trying to get into an argument... just to make a point.

apaul

Then again... What would I know about the subject...

Catija

I haven't actually read the answer or comment, ... not really thinking super clearly right now.

apaul

@Catija I know. Had anyone, literally anyone, else said it, I probably wouldn't be bothered, but considering the source...

Catija

11:46 PM

Yeah, I figured.

sphennings