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5:59 AM
mornin everyone !
 
 
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7:06 AM
Morning!
 
I was wondering if any of you has any tips
we have a relative that often goes on inconsistent speech logic, that shows signs of mild delirium, that got previously interned in a psychiatric hospital but generally haven't been treated well and is not willing to go to psychiatry again. We fear the situation might get worse but at the same time, we are kind of waiting it before calling emergency.
It remember me the movie Melancholia where apocalypse is closing on for eternity and we are just helpless and just wait for impact. We'd be glad if anybody have an idea...
I'm not sure what to expect as advice anyway. I maybe just needed to rant about how awful it feels at times
 
Ael
7:29 AM
@ArthurHv This sounds like a difficult situation. When you have lost faith in the medical system, choosing to willingly go see a doctor is both terrifying and exhausting. I completely understand why your relative wouldn't want to go see a doctor anymore. That being said, maybe consulting a private psychiatrist (that your relative choose) or a psychologist or even a regular doctor that your relative trust (enough) would be an option?
Anyway, if your relative need to be hospitalized again it would probably be best to not send them to the same hospital where they have been treated poorly
Also, a very important thing is to make sure that your relative knows that it's okay to "dump" a doctor at any time and without any explanation and go see another doctor instead. There is nothing wrong with doing that
 
I agree but public hospitals usually work by sector, unless she moves sector she will land the same place (hopefully they will handle her case with more care the second time). We could maybe "trick" her into seeing a generalist but not a private psychiatrist of any kind. Especially because of delirium she can be a bit paranoid
Anyway, I thank you for the suggestion, I might try to convince her to see a doctor if she complains about some health problem
hoping the doctor will detect something in the short time she is consulting
 
Ael
@ArthurHv If she is already paranoid, tricking might probably be a VERY bad idea. She will lose faith in you and if she doesn't trust you it will make it that much harder for you to help her
 
I actually agree. Which is why I would rather convince her but it's very hard also
It's also the reason we don't want to call emergency too early
she could pretend to be well, and cut all contact with us for the future.
 
Ael
I think that the first thing you should ask is: "Is she unhappy with how she is?". If yes, then you might be able to convince her that doing something about it would be a good thing. This "something" doesn't necessarily have to be "seeing a doctor". It can just be for her to join a Facebook group with people going through the same thing and asking for advice in this group.
My point is: you shouldn't tell her how to "fix" herself/improve her life. However, brainstorming with her might be an option
Though you have to make sure she is okay with the brainstorming part. I do hate it when people act like they know better what is good for me
 
7:46 AM
She will deny any kind of problem. She rather believe everybody is ill but her. For example once her son made a remark about her speaking to herself in public. She shouted at him. We are quite concerned by the fact she is not always able to distinguish facts from her own imagination.
In absence of will from her to seek help of any kind, I'm afraid we're back to helpless waiting.
 
Ael
Ah yes, that could be an issue indeed. Though I do believe that she probably knows on some level that something is wrong. She probably just doesn't want other people to know that as well. But yes, that will make it very difficult for you to talk to her
I'm sorry, I don't really know how to help in that case :/
 
I'm not sure it's possible. I've turned the problem in all ways in my head myself :(
 
Ael
What I know though: in similar situations, I always had more trust toward the people who had to go through the same issues as me. You are family but you didn't go through what she is going through so it's "natural" for her not to trust you on that subject. But if she could talk to someone who had the same issues, it would probably be very good for her. Even just reading a book by someone who had to go through that would probably help her
I know that's how I finally managed to get help: after reading several things about people going through what I was going through and then getting help and getting better
 
I wish I could rewind back in a time she was more easy to reason with my own experience being bipolar
I tried to see her at the hospital as well, I wanted to support but I don't see her often enough
Well I did see her but she was under delirium
One or two times I see her more, she already stopped psychiatric help
she was ok at hospital exit, and i knew it was a trap, but it's been too difficult to warn her properly. Im angry at the doctors letting her exit without proper education on her illness. We're not even sure what she has
Oh well. enough of this. I just know I'll be there on her next trip, because I'm pretty convinced it's not too far ahead.
 
Ael
8:09 AM
@ArthurHv Unfortunately, I can't say I'm very surprised. Doctors are good when you have a temporary illness (like the flu) but you soon discover that they are very not good with all the other kind of illness (mental illness and chronic illness)
As for the fact you are not sure what she has, you should probably do what all people with undiagnosed chronic illness do: read a lot in order to self educate yourself
I won't lie, it will be difficult. But it's always worth it to know more about various illness
 
It looks like bipolarity, but it doesn't usually get discovered so late. Bipolarity frequently provokes outburst in your 20s and she's in her 40s. That aside, she has all the symptoms. I suspect it could have been revealed or triggered by drug consumption
Ill try to gather a few information on that, could be useful
 
 
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1:00 PM
hi
 
good afternoon!
 
A J
1:27 PM
Evening!
 
 
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5:29 PM
This answer could be improved with a concrete example of what you mean by "breaking rapport" and how to apply it in OP's specific situation. You have listed a technique here, but essentially just said "google it/read this article", which means this answer doesn't really stand on its own. — Tesset 27 secs ago
 
 
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7:58 PM
Why is this so silent there, it's Monday normal non-boring day, why is this quiet? ;_;
 
Ael
@lila It wasn't that quite this morning but yeah, it was an overall quite day
 
I was offline all day
 
@Ael Haha okay sorry you're right, I said hi in the afternoon and recently I returned home from shopping, I just saw only 2 non-robot messages after my "hi", I completely forgot about all that activity in the morning :D
 
@IPSCommentBot tp
 
 
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What does it mean that people reply "tp" to the bot sometimes, why do people do this? I see the bot counts this, but I don't get it, what does tps and fps mean?
I mean I see what the bot replies but it makes no sense to me.
 

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