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1:00 PM
@AlexRobinson Speedrunners don't care about what they play as ... as long as it's faster :p You're skipping all the skippable things anyway
 
oh yeah, like, the choice is important but not for gender reasons lol
i do love speedrunning. it makes you really think about games differently
 
I prefer it when a game doesn't insist that you are one of two characters (or a few variations), like pokémon does. I think Dishonored 2 does this really well. At some point in the game, it pauses and you get the opportunity to choose if you want to continue as Corvo or as Emily.
It never gets suggested that you are Corvo or Emily. You just control them.
 
@Belle Wait, that example is exactly insisting on you being one of two characters?
 
JAD
@Belle again
7 mins ago, by Imus
@Belle you mean breaking the 4th wall instead of going for immersion?
 
i want cyberpunk 2077 to release already so i can be a cyborg enby already >:)
 
1:05 PM
Aren't both options breaking the fourth wall? "Are you left or right?" or "Continue as left or right?".
 
I remember a discussion with my wife about that exact same thing, where she wondered why many men (or male identifying people) would pick a girl avatar to play "as". She identifies strongly with the character she's controlling. It's a stronger immersion into the game. My counterpoint was: Well, what if I see it as a character I'm controlling instead of what "I am"? It's more fun looking at a sexy girl in bikini shaking across my screen then always looking at a man's ass ... at least for me :p
 
JAD
Either both are and I am wondering whether the wording is such a massive difference, or they are not.
 
@Belle yeah if you are going to allow for presentation it needs to have a wide range of possible options.
 
@Imus r/egg_irl ;)
 
@AlexRobinson +10000
I can't wait for CP77!!
 
1:08 PM
is it planned to support ray tracing? i can't recall off the top of my head...
 
@AlexRobinson not sure
 
i just checked, it IS
 
I wouldn't be surprised, though
oh yay
 
time to flex my rtx 2060 in all its glory
 
JAD
@Imus That has the end at some point: I'm not running over rooftops murdering people in Rome.
 
1:09 PM
And doesn't the menu break the fourth wall already? If you get the choice immediately after the menu, during character creation or whatever, is it really an issue?
 
JAD
@Belle if the difference is just the menu, what are we talking about even?
I don't get why the distinction between controlling a character and "being" a character is such a big deal to begin with
 
its not a big deal, but its an interesting exercise in philosophy
 
@JAD Controlling a character in a binary world is a bit annoying. Being a character that you can't really identify with I would assume is harder for non-binary folks. But I can only guess :)
 
it can be, but it varies greatly from person to person
 
JAD
@Imus So how does it work with games where there is no customisation whatsoever?
 
1:14 PM
I was a bit dissapointed that the Sylvari in Guild Wars 2 required to specify a gender too ... they're plant people ... should've been non-gendered altogether to make it more interesting
@JAD Then you're playing the story of a specific person
 
If you're making an avatar for yourself, you want to feel represented by it, don't you? If on the other hand, you're just controlling the character, that doesn't matter. That character is not you.
 
JAD
Pokemon never felt to me as making an avatar tbh
 
Pokemon just should not ask the question at all :p
Like most games don't
 
JAD
Might as well have played as Ash and nothing would be different
 
in pokemon you are't making an avatar, atleast not until gen 7 when there was basic customisation
idk about gen6, but certainly gen 5 and below was boy or girl
 
1:16 PM
Yet they ask you what your name is and if you're a boy or a girl.
 
"would you like to play as a boy or a girl" would probably have been better?
 
@Tinkeringbell No, less immersive :p
 
But yeah, for some games, binary stuff can be a bit of a problem, I guess...
 
@Tinkeringbell "neither please"
 
@AlexRobinson Okay, then you play as a ditto :P
 
1:18 PM
@Tinkeringbell they said "neither" not "both" :p
 
Or a Pikachu. That'd be fun. To be able to pick 'neither', and then be assigned a Pikachu :)
 
@Tinkeringbell i see this as an absolute win
 
@Tinkeringbell I think it would have. Or no text at all, just a visible selection and a name box.
 
@AlexRobinson Thought you might :)
(If I ever get the jokes wrong, lemme know :) )
 
@AlexRobinson Time travel!
 
1:18 PM
lets be honest. who doesn't want irl character customisation
 
I mean... it (sorta) exists, just ridiculously expensive...
Plastic surgery and the like.
 
JAD
Not to the point of Dark Souls character creation
lol
 
@AlexRobinson you mean selecting what your children will look like? Plenty of people are strongly opposed to doing that :p
 
JAD
(and I hope nobody ever looks like that)
 
Some people have, for instance, gotten surgery to make ears pointed.
 
1:20 PM
Just think for a moment about how Sims does it. You can create a character. You can make it represent you, name it after you, you can create your whole family or you can create a fictional character. At no point it is ever suggested that the character is you or is not you.
 
@Imus not quite infact
 
@Belle True, but you're not really playing AS that character. The whole game is about you telling your character(s) what to do, not really doing it yourself
Different kind of immersion in the first place :)
 
@Mithical Does piercing ears count to?
 
@Imus i'd disagree. you can be yourself in the sims if thats what you desire. you can be someone else, its open ended and entirely up to the user
 
That's a bit less of a drastic modification ;)
 
JAD
1:22 PM
@AlexRobinson most games are like that though
 
@JAD fair enough
 
@JAD i think thats a hard generalisation to defend. certainly in most of the games i play its "you are X character"
 
@JAD I disagree. There are a lot of games where you are playing you, even though you looks or feels nothing like you.
 
JAD
@AlexRobinson I think it's kinda in the definition of role-playing games that you don't necessarily play yourself
I mean, you can. But you don't necessarily have to.
 
i think given how diverse video games are, it doesn't hold up as a generalisation so well
 
1:25 PM
@JAD That would be okay, if you get the choice of playing as someone else, even someone you made up on the spot.
 
square enix games are all about playing through someone else's story as if it were a book
and i love doing that
 
JAD
@Mithical The game has a random face option which iterates on itself if you spam click it. It slowly but surely drifts towards more and more deformed faces
Ok, I think we are discussing way too broadly without any specifics. Take an rpg as skyrim. It has extensive character creation options, with the possibility to name characters after yourself. That doesn't mean it's the only way to play the game.
 
@JAD Absolutely. The npc asks "who are you?" to your character, it's not the game asking the player.
 
JAD
Take Pokémon: you're playing some random kid, and you get to pick a name and sex for it.
 
@Belle isn't that how most games do it? :o
 
JAD
1:28 PM
(Prof. Oak wisely doesn't assume gender)
 
@Imus Far from, unfortunately. Many games actually ask the player who they are.
 
oh yay we've looped back to pokemon
@Belle my name is A and my goal is to beat pokemon faster than ever before
 
@Belle Only depends on how you're reading the character creation menu's :p
 
JAD
@Belle I don't see how there's a difference between asking the character their name or asking the player what the character's name is. All the latter leads to is the character using that input to tell their name to people
It's splitting hairs and ends up with a character is a name given by the player.
 
@JAD There's no difference between those. There is a difference between asking what the character's name is and what the player's name is.
 
1:31 PM
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Q: What should be the minimum time frame a bad answer gets to live?

MinixI recently answered a question for the first time on this SE. It received one comment about sharing the source of my opinion and the typical copy and paste "welcome" comment. Less than a day later, it got deleted. Even though I've been reading this SE for quite a while, I never heard of the "ba...

 
Celeste handles this really well
you have a "character name" and then if you get into cutscenes, the game asks you if you want to use your name and it makes parts of the journey feel really really personal - without displaying your name on the savefile
 
@IntrovertedMetaMan AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE
 
@avazula pewpew
 
pewpew!
 
I'm considering changing my username to pewpew /s
 
1:35 PM
boo remove the /s
become pew pew
 
@AlexRobinson That choice sounds really nice :)
 
@Belle mhm! its a fantastic game that i believe is free on the epic games store or like £10 on steam, and one of my favourites ever.
 
@AlexRobinson I think it was free for a week on epic games
 
unrelated note: does anyone know any good breathing exercises. i need to calm down because a supplier has left me enraged
 
during one of their weekly actions
probably not anymore now :)
 
1:47 PM
@AlexRobinson Oh, I can help... breathe in!
 
@Imus ah that'd be it
@Tinkeringbell go on lol
 
JAD
@AlexRobinson and hurry!
 
@AlexRobinson breath in through your nose ... hold for at least 1 second ... breath out through your mouth for 3 (or more) seconds
repeat until calm
 
@AlexRobinson Oh, just stick with that for a minute or two, and the rage will be gone! :P
 
JAD
@Tinkeringbell Try breathing out in the meantime too
 
1:48 PM
if you cannot breath out for at least 3 seconds, make sure to breath in deeper first
 
ty all ^^
 
@JAD No, their whole point was to not breath out. When you pass out you're calm again :p
 
JAD
gotcha
 
In case someone is struggling with the mixed signals: Yes, we do like Alex!
 
JAD
forever calm
 
1:50 PM
@JAD not really forever ... your body starts breathing on it's own again after you pass out
at some point you wake up again, and probably be panicked soon after once you realise what's happened
 
JAD
@Imus unless it doesn't
 
Whoa, half of chat got new avatars
 
@Rainbacon don't be mean! Only three people did! :p
 
Only two...
 
Hate me if you must, but I like asmr videos to calm me down. (the rain or calming whispers kind are best imo)
 
1:50 PM
Also, hiya
 
Three?
Who's the third?
Did I miss something while I got a haircut?
 
@Belle THANK YOU! I'm not the only weirdo
@Tinkeringbell @AJ did :)
 
@avazula Ohhh!
 
@avazula @Belle I like them too
 
@Tinkeringbell also: you got a haircut?! :D
 
1:51 PM
Yep, I missed something :)
@avazula Just to make all the ends the same length again, I hadn't been for almost two years so it was a bit uneven ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell I can relate to that :p
 
I got compliments for my haircare though... (washing twice a week, conditioner once a month ... didn't tell her that :P). No dead/split ends, just uneven :D
 
@avazula Oh, I hadn't even seen AJ's new avatar
 
@Rainbacon btw, are you a sleep walker? Some people in here were convinced of that earlier ;)
 
I used to when I was little, why were people convinced of this?
 
1:57 PM
@Rainbacon Blame @mith :P
 
asmr is great, but i prefer to listen to it when i'm in a safe comfy place at home, not my office
 
You popped in here at what was like 5AM in NYC?
 
@AlexRobinson I actually listen to asmr in the office and I have no shame ;)
 
@Belle me too!
 
Hmm, maybe my computer woke up from sleep?
 
1:58 PM
i like to associate asmr with being relaxed which is why i dont
 
JAD
4 hours ago, by avazula
wth is Rain doing here at this time?
 
low key tryna pavlov myself
 
@JAD hey! that's not nice to denounce me! :p
 
I don't think being relaxed at work is a bad thing
 
JAD
@avazula I was trying to find a timestamp
 
2:00 PM
@avazula Almost 5am exactly. Nice timezoning!
 
I usually go for videos at home though, and white noise on spotify (like rain) in the office.
 
It was 5:01 NYC time, and I was definitely asleep
 
sleeping/studying music usually :) Currently studio ghibli piano songs
 
i listen to music at work, i listen to music everywhere
 
@Rainbacon I guessed? Darn, that was unexpected
 
2:07 PM
Woop, my cosplay pattern arrived. Time to have a look :D
 
@Belle pics or it didn't happen ;)
 
@Belle ever heard about Tide? That's a nice app in which you can create a relaxing melody based on white-noise-like sounds
 
@AlexRobinson In a box, with a fox...
 
@avazula Nope. Downloading now.
 
I've constantly got Spotify playing, even if I'm not actively listening (although I often am), because the more streams = more payment to the artists
(that was a decision I made after seeing how little they get paid per stream)
 
2:15 PM
@Mithical How little do they get paid per stream?
 
god, this one song just came on and it gives me literal chills every time...
 
between 0.003 and 0.006 USD
IIRC
 
That's more than I was expecting, but certainly less than they deserve
 
anyway, y'all can listen along if you want ;)
 
i love spotify listening parties... its just a shame i can't actually install spotify on my work laptop :/
 
2:19 PM
@AlexRobinson That is a shame
 
i wanted to get driver booster + a few optimisation programs a while back but it turns out they don't want us installing anything... which does kinda make sense, but still
 
That's one of the perks of being a developer, we have to install so much stuff, that they usually just give us admin access to the machines (IMO everyone should have admin access over their computer, but maybe I'm too trusting)
 
@Rainbacon are you "rainbacon" on Spotify as well? :)
 
Yes I am
Did you find me?
 
yes
found you before I asked :P
 
2:23 PM
@Mod ppls, does this sound right for what you can do once you've edited your deleted answer?
> Once you feel the answer is up to spec, you can A. flag the answer as custom and leave a message for the moderators letting them know you think it's in a state to be undeleted. B. Hop into chat with us and mention you've fixed up a deleted answer and you want some eyes/opinions on it. Or C. You can write a meta post for clarification if you feel nothing's been done.
 
@Rainbacon i am a relatively tech savvy person and know to not download bad stuff... some people still have windows 7 and have no idea how to do relatively basic stuff...
 
Am I missing something there?
 
@scohe001 Nope!
 
i'd mention that A or B are encouraged over C
 
@scohe001 I don't know, I've never had an answer undeleted
 
2:24 PM
Awesome, thanks!
 
Perhaps, the difference between mod-deleted (needs a mod to undelete too) and community deleted (can be undeleted after editing by yourself, but most people don't know that and I don't want to tell everyone actually now that I think about it :P )
 
i didn't know there was a difference tbh
 
> Normally, if your deleted post is not self-deleted, you can't undelete it yourself (though you'll be able to vote to undelete as long as a moderator didn't delete it). An exception is if an answer is deleted from Low Quality review queue by "Recommend Deletion" reviews, without three trusted users voting to delete, then it can be undeleted by the author.
 
Yea, I didn't want to go too far into the nuances of deletion :p
 
Mod deleted needs a moderator to undelete. Three delete votes need three undelete votes. Deleted via review with six "recommend deletion" reviews is the only one that can be undeleted by yourself.
D'ARVIT I KEEP GETTING NINJA'D
 
2:28 PM
@Mithical :52788671 buy yourself a quicker gun in the West?
 
;)
 
@scohe001 50 shades of moderation
 
Oh gosh. I'm seeing the TL in a whole new light O_O
 
"Rule #1 of TL ..."
(not a fan :p)
 
@scohe001 the gig's up
 
I misread that as "narcolepsy" at first and got confused
 
i read that website name as narcolepsy.com
@Mithical !!! snap
 
bwahahahaha
 
lol
Hi @mith (2x)
 
@Belle Oi! I didn't do it! Honest! :P
 
2:37 PM
nargaaoki.com/costumes/tyrande has some pictures of the original design
 
It is Christmas?
title missing
 
@Mithical Squints o/ Hi @Mith!
 
i mean... its not wrong
 
hey @Mith, what's up
 
Hey @Mith :) I heard you were only a myth but here you are
 
2:38 PM
@Mithical ohh name change! nice!
Nice new pic too
 
Who has a new pic?
 
Thanks.
 
I like your new pic too @Belle
 
@Mithical Past few weeks have been pretty disastrous but well, that's life I guess :/ Next year can only be better :)
 
@AGirlHasNoName Thanks. @AJ also has a new pic. We did this to confuse @Ælis.
 
2:40 PM
ohh poor @Ælis
 
What about you @Mith?
 
Correction: Belle and AJ did it to confuse Ælis. I did not. :)
 
how do people get by without adblock
 
@AGirlHasNoName Yeah, people aren't nice with me :'(
:p
 
@Mithical True
 
2:41 PM
@Mithrandir24601 I am extremely busy :(
 
Ill keep my pic the same for a while so that at least one person doesn't change. (I can't imagine @Tink being anything but a parrot either)
 
@AlexRobinson Yeah, no idea
@Mithical Ah, it's just going to get busy, most likely :/
 
@AGirlHasNoName Oooh, it just now occurred to me that Mith changed their name too :o
 
Yeh I didn't notice at first until @Mith showed up and commented on it.
 
@AGirlHasNoName I remember back when Tink was a giraffe
 
2:44 PM
I think Tink was a different parrot before too. With more blue.
 
@Rainbacon She was? That doesn't sound like her at all...
 
@Belle darn that's cool
 
@Belle as long as it was a parrot
 
@Belle Yep, I still have that one on Twitter.
 
@AGirlHasNoName It used to indeed
 
2:45 PM
Yeah, I think there were maybe 2 different giraffe pics before she evolved into a parrot
 
Sorry @Tink :p
 
@Rainbacon what a brilliant phrase to have with no context
 
@Rainbacon Ehh, I think I started with me holding the edge of a broken laptop screen in front of my face, there were orange tulips and a snowy branch, and the giraffe. But only 1 giraffe, I think.
@avazula No worries!
 
I thought you changed the giraffe. I remember getting confused a lot because the broad color scheme of the giraffe picture was similar to @Mithrandir24601s picture and it was hard to tell them apart in chat because they are so small
 
@Rainbacon r/BrandNewSentence
 
2:49 PM
@Belle i see another person of cultute :D
 
3:28 PM
@AlexRobinson I'm not sure if I'd say culture, but definitely a culture :P
 
3:39 PM
but all redditors are intelligent, thoughtful and have a high IQ /s
 
3:56 PM
Interesting, we've had 2 different questions get bumped out of HNQ by hotter questions on our site this week. I'm not sure if that's happened since we got back on HNQ
 
TIME TO GET MORE HNQ
 
@avazula ooh do you download them at the same place you download more RAM?
 
@scohe001 This is 2019, obviously you buy them on Amazon
 
@scohe001 nah, I use those from the shady place where I mine my bitcoins instead
 
Ahh I should've known Bezos had the monopoly on them
@avazula lol hey it's not shady if it works, right? :p
 
4:04 PM
@scohe001 tell that to the police :D
 
:p
 
After living with a pig for 6 months, I feel I have a better understanding of them. I should be fine :p
 
@scohe001 police or an actual 4 legged pink tasty thing
 
Well there is an officer that lives a few doors down from me who stops and talks with me and takes pictures when I'm walking my pig around the block...so both?
 
4:12 PM
@scohe001 Fun fact, in Netherlands, if you're walking your pig, you're considered a driver and must obey the same rules as cars and bicycles, while if you'd be walking your dog, you're a pedestrian.
 
@Belle Wait what?
 
@Rainbacon It also means other drivers must give way to you if you come from the right, while if you were walking your dog, they wouldn't have to.
 
"famous for having the longest place name in an English-speaking country" - Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoro‌​nukupokaiwhenuakitan‌​atahu would like to have a word with you. — user253751 22 hours ago
Lol ;p
 
What on earth. Are you telling me I have less rights in the US with my pig??
 
cue Scohe opting to move to NL
 
4:28 PM
 
@Belle I think that title may be better written as "Falsehoods Business Analysts believe about addresses." I just write whatever business rules I'm given ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@scohe001 Haha true. I often encounter forms that demand a county. We do not have counties here :(. The site gives an extreme example. Singapore, Singapore, Singapore. Country, county, city.
 
Lol I like that
 
4:43 PM
Some 3 decades ago, my parents actually received a letter addressed to "[father's first name] and [mother's first name], [hometown]". It got a tad delayed, but it arrived in the end. They did live in a town with only about 3000 people living in it, though. And they were born there.
 
Up until I moved this summer I lived in New York City, which is in New York county in the US state of New York
 
5:05 PM
weird, its a relatively high rep user who posted the comment
 
Meh. Judge the content, not the user
 
@AlexRobinson Never heard of them before. They probably aren't that many active
 
for sure. its just surprising - you'd expect a more experienced user to know what makes an acceptable comment much more than a 101 rep user with a referral bonus
 
@AlexRobinson Well, this user isn't that much "high rep" and some of our very high rep user purposely avoid respecting the rules. So, I'm not that surprise
 
5:34 PM
@Belle Wow... it's offline now...
(Just wanted to link it to someone... gone!)
 
@AlexRobinson That user posted an answer about a month ago. Before that their last answer on the site was over a year and a half ago. Looking at the activity tab on their profile shows that they only have 34 "actions" taken (includes receiving badges) over the life of their account here.
 
 
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Q: how to get a real date on a photo that was sent to you as current

pistolpeteMy GF recently sent me digital photo's of her on a weekend vacation with her GF's, i'm not so sure they are current photo's. Is there a way to tell what date the photo's were taken? She has an I phone, mine is an android thanks

 
@ExtrovertedMainMan Metadata data :p but if you need to check that, it means that the relationship is not gonna last :(
 
8:49 PM
Would anyone happen to know why this post has a historical lock (beyond just the text of the historical lock notice)
 
@Rainbacon ava's comment? :)
 
Ah, I didn't see that comment. Hmm, might have to make a meta about that
I'm not convinced that question falls under "pick up" in the same sense of the less than ethical subculture does
 
For this one? Look at the OPs account too and see if you really want to after that ;)
Want to spend effort on such a user's question ;)
 
Oh, yeah, I'm well aware of who wrote the question and when they will be able to see it. But also something something judge the question not the user
 
@Rainbacon "judge content not users" is the rule for us pleebs. The mods live by different rules :p
 
9:04 PM
@Rainbacon Ah well, it was flagged and knowing who posted it made it easier to see those less ethical subculture notes (there were a load of questions about different 'girlfriends' and 'speaking to girls' at the time by that user )... So the flag was handled but the post kept for historical significance
 
Judging content within its context seems reasonable.
 
I might've deleted it :P
 
it's a good answer though.
 
*shudders* yuck, that guy
 
I must be missing some context on him? I remember that he used to be a chat regular, and the few of his questions that are still up, and I remember seeing a few comments on meta that earned him a shorter suspension, but I don't remember anything that would make me shudder as Mith just did.
 
9:19 PM
Wait Mith, you're a Mith again!!
 
@scohe001 No, that's actually just a mith you heard
 
Huh, kinda mithsterious that my eyes see "Mith" now then :p
 
Mithed me?
 
Yes! You better not change it again anytime soon, mithter.
 
*tips cap* aye aye
o7
 
9:25 PM
Why does everyone have a lithp now? Did I mith thomething?
 
@El'endiaStarman Nope, nothing to see here. Carry on thitithen
 
oh that'th good
 
9:54 PM
Random question with nothing to do about anything, but can one of you open this SO link and tell me if the question overflows into the HNQ list?
 
I don't think human minds work the way you describe. If belief in a diety was indeed a fundamental truth in religious peoples' minds, they would never deconvert; and yet they often do. — seed 2 mins ago
#7907 seed (101 rep) | A: How to tell someone believing in pseudoscience & conspiracy theories is wrong without making them feel stupid/upset? (score: 10) | posted 723 days ago by trr (746 rep) | Toxicity 0.0 | Comment on inactive post | tps/fps: 0/0
 
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Q: Strange overlapping post-layout and sidebar

GammaGamesI've noticed this issue on a handful of other communities, but making the browser window narrow (mine is 1080x960) makes the .post-layout and #sidebar elements overlap. Maybe something to do with the grid CSS? The #mainbar element seems to be the correct width and changing the .post-layout's over...

 
Dang. I was already writing up my own report. Thanks @Mith!
 
np
 
10:45 PM
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Q: How does one best respond to being called self-righteous?

Betterthan KworaThere was a recent argument among close friends involving disagreement about how to handle a bundle of intertwined situations that have come up. One friend ("John") alleged that I and others are behaving self-righteously. This bothers me, because we're all Christians of one sort or another, and a...

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Q: How do I tactfully leave my current job working for a friend

Viking ChildrenI've been working with a friend of mine building and maintaining websites for clients for the past 2 years or so. When I started there was another employee who was a good developer with knowledge of php and current javascript frameworks, but he has since graduated and taken another job offer. My ...

 
10:59 PM
@ExtrovertedMainMan ohh I can probably answer that one.
 
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