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Q: Partner stops me after I finish

tempWhenever we are intimate, my partner never lets me pleasure them. If I try to continue after I'm done, they just shoot me down with something like "it's OK," or "you don't need to,", or "don't worry about it." At first I thought they might be shy about it since there are other people at my home,...

 
 
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4:32 AM
I love the smell of coffee HNQ comments cleanup in the morning
 
 
2 hours later…
6:16 AM
I wonder how that smells, tho '^.^
 
JAD
6:28 AM
@dhein like coffee
 
6:39 AM
satisfaction, excitement and peace... like coffee :p
 
I'd swap excitement for boredom
I need more boredom in my life
 
How selfish it is then to not share the cleanup :P
 
@EmC i know :D
 
JAD
@dhein who said it isn't shared? Go flag!
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@JourneymanGeek Boredom yay :)
 
6:52 AM
Boredom allows you to stimulate your creativity. We could all use being bored a bit more.
 
Oh dear, I just realize that, according to planning, the MSE flooding is for today 😱 Go hide people, the reactions to this new CoC are gonna be ugly !
 
Hmm, I kinda suspect they might push it off. I hope they do, at any rate.
 
@JAD Uhhh still some coffee left for me? x)
@user58 acknowledged :P
@Ælis MSE flooding? CoC?
 
@user58 Yeah, I too hope that they won't push it if it isn't ready
 
Last I saw, it definitely wasn't ready, so...
 
6:56 AM
@dhein Remember the dumpsterfire that Tink told you about? Well, the new Code of Conduct is linked to that
@user58 I'm afraid they will still push it. I mean, it's been something like a month since they talked to you mod about it, right? If they feel things aren't moving forward anymore, well... :/
 
@Ælis Ah, so it is related to the license change to CC BY 4.0? That topic hit me at work a few days before I went on vacation. Thats why I asked Tink when she mentioned it if it is related to some sort of policys. ^^
 
JAD
@dhein not at all
 
@Ælis A week or so since we got the text for feedback. Less.
 
JAD
the posted schedule said this monday right?
 
@user58 Oh, I though they had already gave you another version a month ago and that the version of this monday was an "almost ready maybe" update of this old version
 
7:08 AM
@dhein No
Its a clarification of what's there
 
JAD
@Ælis that's what I understood too. Although I don't think much was said on whether the two versions that were/would be shared had much or any changes made to them in between
 
Nope
I actually need to check if the version released publically is a RFCish one or mostly final
ah final
 
Morning!
 
Time for coffee :D
 
7:23 AM
@Tinkeringbell Ava took already all the coffe for them self :O
And morning x)
 
@user58 no it doesn't
I'm gonna nitpick at your definition
 
7:39 AM
@dhein Oh, ava shares :P But it's mod-only coffee XD
 
upset
 
I don't think Smokedetector takes commands in here, but if you go to the Tavern or Charcoal HQ, it can give you coffee ;)
 
7:57 AM
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Q: Why am I not included?

Alex SmithMy friends are going to Disneyland with their online friend but I'm wasn't invited even though I have a pass and know a lot about their friend. There's three of them so why didn't they invite me to make it an even number for like rides and stuff. One of my friends seems to be interested in the gu...

 
@Tinkeringbell Nah now I am already upset and want to stay upset just for the sake of being upset xP
 
@Tinkeringbell , you mistyped on the comment, it's alex :p
 
 
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9:06 AM
@CaldeiraG Shhh :P Fixed it, thanks!
 
@Tinkeringbell You're welcome :p
oh crap, both my cat pictures have 3 stars :D
 
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Hey, I answer this old IPS meta question last night and I'm a bit afraid it would go unnoticed so, here you go (note that I don't mind people not upvoting because they think the answer isn't useful, but the idea of it not been seen at all doesn't sit well with me):
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A: When is an answer 'not an answer'?

ÆlisHere is what happens when you flag something as "Not an Answer": It goes through the Low-Quality Posts review queue. The community reviews it. Depending on the result of the review, the answer is deleted or not. Now, if you flag something using a custom mod flag: It doesn't go through the r...

 
9:43 AM
For those interested, I edited my question in the sandbox and believe it's much more on-topic now. I would still enjoy some feedback to make sure it's now good to go :)
 
@Ælis You have a typo on quality criteria :p
 
@CaldeiraG Fixed, thanks :)
 
9:59 AM
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Q: How do I deal with severe anxiety?

Fahad Ur Rehman KhanBefore you write something on this threat let me clarify that this post can be a trigger for some people. These are the things which happened in my past which I think caused all this anxiety; As a child, I was physically abused by my School for not completing my homework (The duration of that w...

 
10:46 AM
Just FYI, I'm now known as "BelovedFool" (after one of the most important characters in Robin Hobb's books) on MSE and other technicals sites. I'll probably change avatar over there soon, so you won't recognize me unless you know
 
11:16 AM
@Ælis You gotta lay low? What did you do? :P
 
11:42 AM
@dhein they existed
Good morning. I'm not looking forward to the reaction myself. I will not be engaging in the ending debate.
 
Hey bruglesco!
 
Morning :)
@dhein MSE can be mean.
will be mean is probably an even better phasing.
 
Yes. It will
 
12:08 PM
@dhein What the others said :) Also, I like to keep some aspect of my life separated from one another (so that a bad thing happening in one place wouldn't affect the other place) and I was starting to worry that things weren't separated enough anymore (so changing username seemed like a good first step)
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JAD
@Ælis even with different names, the accounts are easy to find through the profile, just fyi
 
@JAD Yeah, I know, just hoping that most people won't dig too much
 
JAD
fair enough
profile pic is a biiiig part in that
 
Don't worry, changing profile pic is already planned :) I just have to choose a new one first (and since I don't feel any urgency, I'll probably do it quietly tonight, when I'm at home)
 
12:31 PM
@Ælis want a new ava?
I can make something different
:p
 
@bruglesco Well, obviously they do, otherwise I would be strange texting with them :P
@Tinkeringbell So I should change my nick, better too? '^.^
@Ælis That made me more confused than it helped me. But if you don't want to go in further details, thats fine by me :)
 
@dhein Nah ;)
 
@avazula Oh dear, that really is tempting. Although, I'm afraid someone would realize that they are similar (draw by the same artist) and decide to snoop around :/ But I would also love to see what else you could draw! So, if you decide to draw something for me, I would definitively love that! But I can't promise you to wear it (However, I'm pretty sure I will have fun colorizing it if you send a picture of an uncolored version of it)
 
@Ælis There is a profile setting to hide certain sites on your network profile for regular users too...
 
@Ælis no worries, I was mostly messing around :) I could draw something though
 
12:41 PM
@Tinkeringbell MSE can be difficult ;p
Easier for some that others XD
 
JAD
@Tinkeringbell I can't reproduce that. No mod dashboard :/
 
@JAD Ah, yeah, that's special ;)
Here's a better one:
 
JAD
ah gotcha
 
@JourneymanGeek People don't change their names because sites are 'difficult' :P
 
@Tinkeringbell eh,
(I'm a bit worried people are scared of MSE >_>)
 
12:46 PM
@Tinkeringbell That's awsome, thank you!
 
@Ælis You're welcome :)
 
Also, I just receive a new ergonomic mousse for work, so my wrist won't hurt as much \o/
 
@JourneymanGeek Meh, people here don't seem to be scared. They've written some pretty awesome posts over the last few weeks there, but it's sad they are dealing with this kind of crap now.
 
@Ælis Oh, is it one of those 'upright' thingies? With the buttons on 1 side?
'cause if it is.... I find those highly annoying XD
 
12:48 PM
lol
everyone has their own preferences ;p
 
@Ælis Honestly, If someone would be that invested into finding your identity, before they will figure any similaritys, leading to the same drawer of your to be ava and your current still ava... Than before they draw all these conclusions they were multiple times on your profile and knew anyways. So no need to resist that temptation :)
 
@Tinkeringbell It is, I would probably need some time to adjust, but I'm existed none the less :D
 
@Tinkeringbell Annoying to get used to, but ergonomically without doubt more healthy x)
 
@Ælis They are very fancy! And I hope you really do have less trouble with your wrists from now on :)
@dhein Oh sure. I don't use the mouse that much though, so I have a small keyboard and gaming mouse for work use, and that's it.
 
@Ælis I am using one at work for around a year now. still not 100% used to it precision wise. But on the other hand (no pun intended) I clearly experience that it relieves the brace.
 
12:52 PM
@scohe001 This is absolutely true, like how yesterday, on the day that my parents were coming to stay with us, our cat decided to turn the guest bed into her litter box
 
@Tinkeringbell fair enough :)
By the way, I tried to be kind and not come up with this topic, as I kindly was asked to not to. But since it is comming up over and over again anyways, could some one give me a link to what you are talking about plz, just so I don't feel left out in the conversations?
 
@dhein I think you might want to start here then.
There's been... a slew of posts since then, I don't have a list of 'em.
 
For the most part you can find them all by following links from the one Tink gave you
 
@Rainbacon oh no O_O
 
You can also find them/related one by looking at the newest one and only read the ones with a lot of participation
 
1:01 PM
@scohe001 Yeah, she was a bad kitty yesterday
 
@Tinkeringbell Thats fine, thanks for the reference. I will be able to figure myself the way from there on ^^
I am calling it a day now. Wishing you all a further nice day :)
 
@dhein You too! :)
 
Looks my questions here won't be getting answered. The OP has been online since then. :(
 
1:24 PM
@Rainbacon Don't lose too much hope (yet)! They may have seen them and still be thinking of answers :)
 
That's true, I'd like to be able to help them, but I can't even be sure it's possible until the questions get answered
 
1:37 PM
It's a unregistered account so maybe they're trying to figure out how to "login again" XD
 
why can't I see OP's rep on meta?
any questioner's or answerer's either
 
looking at the profile again, it's registered XD i messed up :p
@ankii weird o_o
 
@ankii weird. bug, maybe? was it migrated from somewhere else?
 
no I read at least 7 questions and their answers.
 
@ankii I see it too
My guess is that the devs are running an experiment
 
1:41 PM
I couldn't see Fullerton's, but Monica's was visible beside his. She had edited his post.
 
Oh
Then maybe you should ask about it on MSE?
 
I can see they rep on the "newest" list, but not on the question itself Oo
 
Same
 
it's happening in other places
i'll bet it's some kind of experiment? o_O
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Q: Reputation and reputation graph out of sync

Mojtaba HosseiniI noticed that the top point of the reputation graph is not showing the current reputation as expected. I think this happened after I have reported some suspicious ratings and I have received some user removed messages and a drop on the reputation as well. But there is about 400 difference and I...

 
Yeah, I look at several other questions and there is the same "issue"
 
1:44 PM
it's everywhere actually
rip
 
They are probably doing an experiment
 
yep :p
 
it was about hiding downvotes .
 
It feels weird, but I think I like that (or, at least, the idea behind the experiment)
 
It's everywhere this "bug", check out IPS too
 
1:45 PM
not on AD
check individual metas
 
it's still happening in AD
caching maybe @ankii
 
My guess is: they are trying to find out if people upvote some posts more because the "poster" as a lot of rep
 
oh man, i was about to link that website! :(
 
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Q: Can you see my rep down below?

ankiiI cannot see reputation of any questioner or answerer, but editors' are shown. Confirmed by other window users too.

catchy title isn't it..
 
oh yea
@avazula next time :)
 
1:47 PM
@CaldeiraG oh yea.. didnt realise
I saw the reps on home page to hunt for rep 1 "I have the same issue" posts
 
Now, I will be able to post questions on IPS and make myself pass as if I were a newbie :p
 
aww my title was changed.
 
@ankii lmao xd
 
Maybe it will also help with the "rep hunters" and reduce the "Fastest Gun in The West" syndrome (because it's far less rewarding if people can't easily see your rep)
 
@ankii you just earned a lot of rep by writing a one-line (actually 3) Q :p
 
1:52 PM
@Ælis that seems like the purpose.. will see the results with curiosity!
@CaldeiraG quite a recovery after those horrible FRs
But what's the point when people can't see it
I can't keep up with the activity..
 
For God's sake.
 
@ankii XD
 
I mean, I could see the potential good in it.
I could also see disaster unfold.
 
But will we still see the new contributor banner?
 
Thank God it's probably not a test then. @Community, Deal. With. It.
 
1:56 PM
do we know a new contributor?
 
fastest gun in the west again
 
@Rainbacon Yes
 
I'd be a bit calm after I hit rep cap..
 
@ankii here
 
Duke of Concoct
 
1:59 PM
Patrick just created a userscript to make rep show up again XD
these guys work fast lol
 
I updated about new contributor too.
hope nobody reverts it
There we go with the rep.. 200 full and now I can focus on other sites
@M.A.R. post an answer ?
 
@ankii geez that was quick. congrats :P
 
@ankii Meh, can't add much more than they have.
Wait, hmm.
 
and someone else got 19 upvotes for ... complete speculation ._.
 
@EmC ik.. i can attribute it a bit to my original title.. who wouldn't rush to answer that.. jk
 
2:04 PM
@user58 58 is it possible to make the Eeps bot an RO and make it move the messages to trash after a while, including their feedback?
 
@M.A.R. yes you do.. yours is better than one answer at least.. out of two
 
@ankii No, you can attribute it to the fact that it's suddenly frigging everywhere.
God they make it so hard not to be angry at them.
 
@EmC -4 wink
 
XD
Everyone in the network is panicking a little bit
another dupe of ankii questtion :)
 
"the silence is alarming" omg calm dddddown
it's only 10am over on the east coast
 
2:11 PM
I am panicckiinnngg too
going to have dinner..
 
going to have a snack :)
 
@EmC true... its literally been 26 minutes.
 
^^
 
@ankii 200 rep... you can't see! horror music
 
@ankii deep breaths... make sure you know where your towel is...
 
2:13 PM
thanks for the cool down.. ice cream for sure after dinner.
Why do you think so? — ankii 1 min ago
One last thing.. It's a good comment. Trust me
 
Meh, pundit is easy on meta.
 
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Q: New popup message when voting on a question?

Dharman Thanks for your vote! Your vote has been recorded and it affects this post's ranking. Since this post has reached the minimum score of 0 your vote will not be displayed. I just downvoted a question posted few days ago which was at 0 votes. After casting my vote I got a blue popup with the ab...

they're definitely trying to hide downvotes for new users
so a new user won't get -7 on the first question cause it's bad
 
FYI the rep and badges is a bug. There is a fix incoming. — Taryn ♦ 2 mins ago
 
Aaaaand back to business as usual ;)
 
hahah
 
2:17 PM
@Tinkeringbell I don't know what world you live in where business is ever usual
 
^ like that, right?
 
Did anyone else see this question?
I like the premise of it
 
2:34 PM
wth, is the rep back?
I was browsing SO for work and like 20 min ago rep didn't show and now it does again
 
Couldn't miss the drama.. answer accepted.. <- assume red
@Rainbacon this is my new read..
 
@Rainbacon I did, it's pretty well translated, i'm impressed :p
 
@avazula did your post get answers?
 
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Q: Are old AWS Lambda layers automatically removed? If not, how to delete them?

avazulaUpon reading of this article which discusses the main drawback of using AWS Lambda functions, I'm trying to avoid what the author had to deal with and perform some cleanup on my own code: "Lambda versions every function. We use the Serverless Framework for developing Lambda application. This ...

 
2:50 PM
@avazula According to Taryn, in the comment EmC linked, that was a bug
 
@ankii not the one I wanted (although the answerer is not to blame for that), but yes :p
 
 
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4:54 PM
Nice edit @EmC
 
@Rainbacon thanks :)
 
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5:10 PM
Oh I meant to thank you for faqing stuff up last night for me @EmC<3
 
@scohe001 well, thanks for flagging it so it didn't get forgotten :D
ah.. another day of reaching my comment upvote limit on meta..
(in case you haven't seen it yet, CoC update: stackoverflow.blog/2019/10/10/iterating-on-inclusion)
 
@EmC don't forget the sister Meta post: meta.stackexchange.com/q/334900/232439
 
@EmC Didn't even know they was a upvote comment limit x)
 
@EmC Wait what?
I'm with @Ælis on this one
 
@Ælis yup, I have only gotten that message twice (now, and last week on one of the update posts)
"Daily vote limit reached; vote again in 6 hours."
... which is probably a good sign to stop reading the comments x)
 
5:19 PM
Probably x)
 
@EmC just saw edits about status complete and Tim post's edit into main FAQ
@Ælis I reached once in the previous mega thread about Sara's post
and today on my post.. Then the comments got deleted..
 
@ankii not all the answers being posted on the new post? :P
(just teasing)
 
don't know if I my votes are refunded or not
 
@EmC More seriously, I hope that doesn't affect your health in a negative way. I must say, I didn't even try reading the comments, nor the answers (I did take a look and who posted though, and decided it was safe to read Aza comment and another one from Shog9 + Monica answer but not her comments)
 
@EmC I read it twice and still didnt get the joke.. >< .. ELI5 please.
I think I got tired by some travel..
And btw if it's FAQ, why not make it CW..
 
5:28 PM
CW?
 
Community wiki
 
I don't understand, it's already is community wiki, or am I looking at the wrong place?
 
@ankii oh, I just thought it was funny if you only found out because of those small edits, not the new post that's currently buzzing with activity
 
@Ælis I am talking about Cesar's post meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334900/…
@EmC ohhh han(=yes) ! LOL
It was at -10 when I barged into the party discussion
I didnt have +3 to bring it back to home page
 
@Ælis aw, thank you - I hope you too :) I will have to shut that tab to get work done this afternoon but right now I'm mostly just glad we have the policy now
 
5:34 PM
I have a few questions about how certain things will be determined, but I think they are best left until a situation arises
 
we(I at least) will have to rely on the mods for this until we(I) get the hold of the precedents. The post and comments tells us to call mods so many times
 
@ankii Because those are official rules SE Inc. wants us to follow. So the community shouldn't be able to change them
 
"When in doubt, use gender-neutral language or refer to the user by name."
Username Cesar means?
throw away account is not a name, or is it?
 
That's saying, if you don't know what someone's pronouns are, either just use their username or they/them. like you'd write "I think user1234's explained this well" or "I think they explained this well", instead of "I think he explained this well", if you weren't sure
 
ah.. okay, I do it all the time.. or "OP" to the rescue.
 
5:39 PM
yeah :) I think in the context of SE, "username" and "name" are basically synonyms :P
 
will give it a read tomorrow, or when someone posts summary, like those of previous events. But it's going to be easy to follow in practice. Basic English and human decency is all it is.
 
@ankii basic human decency is definitely true, but I'm not sure there's anything basic about the English language
 
oh no, CoC was released
 
@Rainbacon "They" was never tough... let it be when uncertain about someone's gender, or identity, or purposefully hiding it. What's new is about using it for certainty, which is easy to get accustomed to.
"the tone is hard to decipher in writing.. " @CaldeiraG
 
@ankii I was mostly making a joke about how English has more exceptions than rules. Sorry if my tone was unclear
 
5:50 PM
@ankii i didn't expect anything else
things are made complicated
people don't read terms of service for a reason lol
oh crap
i just saw that line you quoted
XD
now i realise it's something else
 
@Rainbacon ooh sorry for taking it very out of context too. Yes, you can find several not so good stand ups about hindi and weirdness of english
 
@M.A.R. I think that that's technically difficult due to a lack of a proper chat API.
 
Oh, nice
58 that was your good deed of the day
I was looking for somewhere to get out of the Tavern
This room's stoicism is very commendable now!
 
@ankii well, is it? there are many ways to express your tone
 
You could keep an eye on TMR, I have a feeling that they might need a RO over there at some point tonight who doesn't have Tavern responsibilities...
 
5:54 PM
@CaldeiraG and a the reason is because we want to use the frigging service... you didn't even shed a punctuation xd
 
@user58 I have a feeling that doesn't take a lot of feeling to feel.
 
@M.A.R. You know you still own another room.
 
@ankii exactly. XD
 
@Loong Well someone is talking about integrals and they're all Greek to me
God, if I found the guy who invented JEE.
. . . They're probably dead.
I dunno, that's a formidable position.
 
@M.A.R. combination of several entrance exams ? Possibly some HRD minister..
 
5:56 PM
I also own the ELL room but it's been quiet for months now.
 
@CaldeiraG Please, keep that out of here ^^
 
@Ælis Sure :D
 
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oh no, am i invited to the trash can?
XD
 
I don't know how does invitation to Trash work >< I don't receive any of them anymore
Speaking of pronouns, I have a question for you all (I had it for a long time now, but now seems a good time to finally ask it): When I talk about people, even if I *do* know their gender, I tend (so, not always) to use the pronouns "they/them" (because I think gender shouldn't matter + I find it a bit rude to "out" someone gender without asking them first + I don't have to wonder if I know the gender for a fact or if I'm just assuming).

So, are you fine with me using "they/them" for you all? Or would you prefer me always using your chosen pronouns? (please note that you don't have to just
 
6:01 PM
@Ælis I do have my pronouns set here on chat but you can use they just fine, i don't care
 
@Ælis I don't have my pronouns listed online, but they/them is perfectly acceptable for me
 
@Ælis I guess ROs don't get them
 
@M.A.R. No, I wasn't getting them either when I wasn't an RO
 
@Ælis Well, you're not mistaken for a kitten
I am, a lot
See the resemblance?
 
@Ælis I am fine with both he/him and they/them.
@M.A.R. A stretched regular dodecahedron?
 
6:09 PM
First guess. You must be a great person.
I've been likened to an egg
 
@M.A.R. You sure are colorful :p
 
@M.A.R. You look like a Faberge egg.
And nothing will convince me otherwise ;)
 
Aaand I had that coming
 
Hi all :)
 
Hi @Tink!
 
6:10 PM
@M.A.R. Hey, faberge eggs are pretty, expensive, AND special :P
 
@Tinkeringbell Hey there :)
 
I could've called you worse :P
 
@M.A.R. Or a mathematician. ;)
 
Then you have a definition for "great" as well.
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Q: Was mathematics invented or discovered?

AmiWhat would it mean to say that mathematics was invented and how would this be different from saying mathematics was discovered? Is this even a serious philosophical question or just a meaningless/tautological linguistic ambiguity?

I dunno, I invent a lot of maths in the exam
 
@M.A.R. I guess that was when the cavemen started counting food?
 
6:16 PM
@Tinkeringbell Math was all fine until the Greeks needed to slice their pizza.
 
@M.A.R. Math is just counting ever more complex things. :D
 
Then it went crazy after that
@Tinkeringbell Well, it's gotten to a point they're imagining things and then counting them
Must be when they encountered an error trying to count pi
 
See, that's what happens when people run out of less complex stuff :D
 
Pi isn't even complex. Its imaginary part is 0.
 
I now firmly believe that they stop counting sheep to get some sleep
@El'endiaStarman I know
Or maybe I imagine
 
6:19 PM
@M.A.R. You imagine, so you exist? :P
 
I imagine I exist, so I think
Take that, Descartes
 
Poor Descartes. Imagine having such a crippling amount of self-doubt!
 
Hmm, I don't think I imagine it was him that had the doubts
Maybe Hume, definitely Brand
 
@M.A.R. Why would he be thinking about it, if he wasn't unsure?
 
Bad influences
 
6:23 PM
I thought it was Descartes that went down the path of radical doubt and ended up at "I think, therefore I am"? Being able to doubt your own existence is proof that you do exist.
 
Ah, yeah. His parents really should've kept him away from those.
 
Kant was awesome, on the other hand
 
I Kant believe you would say that.
 
Find a cubicle to think in for forty years
Before cubicles existed
@El'endiaStarman Hah, that reminds me
 
@M.A.R. I love the story about how towns people would set their clocks, according to the times Kant would take his afternoon walk.
 
6:28 PM
@M.A.R. Lol, yes, I deliberately pronounce Kant's name wrong.
 
In a way, when you stop regarding it as a monotony, it stops being a monotony.
 
@Ælis make yourself and your fingers comfortable :) ... whichever suits the moment, he and they
 
:)
 
A flashcard
 
I finally have enough rep to cast close votes on MSE! This was the priviledge I was looking for \o/
 
6:43 PM
@Ælis Enjoy closing all the off-topic questions :P
 
I will! mouhahaha
 
Now on to getting delete votes as well ;)
 
I was going to say that deleted stuff was less fun, but I do enjoy deleting bad answers quite a lot :p
 
@Ælis Same :) It's one of the things I kinda miss sometimes, with binding votes.
 
Well, you can still delete/close if there are already enough votes to delete/close. But yeah, it does involve less freedom which, I guess, might make it less "fun" :/
 
6:49 PM
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Q: How to make sure to get non-alcoholic beer at a bar

simplemindSometimes I have to drive by car after going to a bar. Hence at these times I don't want to drink alcohol (even though driving after drinking a modest amount of alcohol is allowed where I live, I don't want to drink any alcohol at these occasions). However, I like non-alcoholic beer. From taste I...

 
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