The Awkward Silence

5:30 AM

@Tinkeringbell If I may ask, why did you make a binding "Leave Closed" review here? interpersonal.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/11349

user15026

"How do I tactfully do x" doesn't always make a question work.

A J

@gparyani I guess this has been discussed at length already.

gparyani

@AJ No, Tinkeringbell wasn't a mod at the time.

A J

She was.

user15026

Honestly, we've discussed this question so many times

gparyani

5:41 AM

Even when she reviewed a prior RV task as a non-mod, she didn't explain her decision to review it as that.

user15026

I think it's kinda at the point where you just gotta take the lessons from it and move in

user15026

@gparyani She doesn't have to, though

user15026

And chasing people around for stuff like this....isn't helpful

gparyani

So I can't ask a mod why they took a moderator action?

user15026

That's not what I'm saying

user15026

5:43 AM

sigh it's too late to get into this, I am going to elect to go to bed instead of having my words misinterpreted

Journeyman Geek

@gparyani well, it can be seen as being somewhat... well, we gotta do what we gotta do. If folks are constantly asking us why, we can't pay attention to all the other things we have to.

If its important, meta please.

gparyani

TBH I would have preferred to ask my own reopen request for it, Crafter jumped the gun in asking it.

@JourneymanGeek Mine would be a duplicate.

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Q: What makes question 11643, about talking to flight attendants when the plane has a problem, off-topic?

Question 11643: "How can I properly ask a flight attendant what's going on if I know my plane has a problem?" has been voted as "off-topic" by 7 total people now, while has been voted "on topic" by 5. I'm one of the 5 that believes it to be on-topic, but was wondering why it is off topic? The way...

user15026

@gparyani Then take what's in that meta, learn from it, and move on

gparyani

One of the answers was deleted; did the author voluntarily delete it?

user15026

Not everything you do needs a personal response from a mod/CM/whoever

gparyani

5:45 AM

@Ash The mod did respond, but it has heavy downvotes. (FYI I didn't vote on it.)

A J

@gparyani yes of course

user15026

@gparyani Then that's the response. Leave it at that.

user15026

Sometimes you gotta know when to fold 'em, to quote Kenny Rogers

gparyani

Did you read the answer and its comments?

user15026

@gparyani I like that you automatically assume I wouldn't've

user15026

5:46 AM

That's not fair.

user15026

Please stop this sort of assuming.

gparyani

It's basing a close reason on the answer. If the answer is that I shouldn't do it, go ahead and post it as an answer, don't close it.

@Ash I was expecting a literal "yes" or "no".

Journeyman Geek

@gparyani it isn't as much about that as "Hey, there's proper channels to take care of these things"

There's ... well rules.... and a way things are done.

user15026

You can't expect to circumvent that stuff and have it sit well with people.

gparyani

@John I agree that the flight attendant would probably respond like that; but it doesn't mean OP can't/shouldn't ask. I just think we aren't well suited to deal with the question, because it is likely more an airline policy issue than an IPS one. Flight attendants not being able to provide additional information isn't the same as you not being allowed to ask them for that information. I don't think it's unreasonable for a passenger to ask a attendant what is going on if they notice something (and the attendant is able to take questions); it's just also reasonable to be told "it's all okay". — JMac Apr 6 at 19:11

@Ash Circumvent what?

Anyway...back to the main point: I wanted to know from Tinkeringbell why she reviewed, bindingly as a mod, to leave it closed. I'm sure she knew her decision was binding, and that she probably exercised much more care in her decision. If she were a non-mod I wouldn't be asking. (The reason I asked her before as a non-mod was because we were talking about it.)

And please excuse me for being direct. It's just my communication style. I sometimes fail at congeniality; I'm trying hard.

gparyani

6:03 AM

Just an observation...IPS seems to have quite a few users from NL

sphennings

6:23 AM

@gparyani Just a guess but since no substantial edits had been made to the question once it was closed there was no reason to revisit the decision to close the question in the first place.

The only edit made to the question in the last two months is the addition of a comment to the markdown. Nothing visible to the question has changed.

If a significant edit had been made it would be worthwhile to reconsider the question but as is there isn't anything new to say about the question that wasn't already said in March.

gparyani

@sphennings Ah, I see that the system makes you view the revision rather than the question. But it would have been better if reopen reviewers had read the question from a fresh perspective. So I can see why @Tinkeringbell may have bindingly left it closed (but I still would like confirmation from her that that's the case).

Blame the system.

My edit wouldn't have pushed it, as it was more than five days after it was closed. I believe I edited it after the first reopen vote. So it's more of a system bug.

sphennings

It's a good way to see if the close reason for the question has been addressed.

gparyani

But if someone votes to reopen, it shouldn't show the revision by default. It should just show the question (as it did initially, before my edit).

If, on the other hand, it was added to the reopen queue by virtue of an edit within five days, it should show the revision.

sphennings

The question in it's current form is entered into the queue. I can look at all the edits that were made since the question was closed in March and see that no major changes have been made.

gparyani

Out of curiosity, that's why you voted to Leave Closed?

@sphennings Looking at the question from a fresh, unclouded-by-existing-closure view, would you vote to close it?

sphennings

6:38 AM

@gparyani This has all been discussed before. There's nothing to be gained by rehashing it another time. I'm going to put on my Room Owner hat and consider the discussion of this question over.

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