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4:00 PM
@avazula which was
nvm i can read apparently
 
@Cashbee The origin of @El'endiaStarman username
 
@avazula Hehe, indeed. Yay for linguistic tangents! :P
 
@RoryAlsop For author's names, I prefer when English people use "Nom de plume" with their beautiful accent, it's so pompous, I love it :P
 
@El'endiaStarman huh I always thought it was either Super Sonic or Super Shadow
 
@Noon It's really arrogant xD
 
4:01 PM
@Noon hahahaha - which accent though... there is no "English accent" :-)
 
@Noon that's a bit plum(p)
 
@scohe001 Yeah, it's a recolor of a sprite from the transition to Super Sonic in Sonic 3.
 
Ahh gotcha
 
@RoryAlsop I was more thinking of the British one but any will do, really, since it's firstly a French group of words
 
So, I wanted to put myself into a story I was writing (an "author insert"), but didn't want to use my real name. So I devised a pseudonym generation procedure: take the first three letters of one's first name, shuffle them around, and then add some more letters. That's where "Elendia" came from. I added the apostrophe to make "El'endia" so people would actually pronounce the "ell" sound at the beginning. Then "Starman" is just because I like space and stars.
 
4:03 PM
@El'endiaStarman That's interesting.
I have such a name too :D
 
@Noon there is no British accent. This is why I laughed. Or more accurately, there are hundreds - all very different
 
@RoryAlsop Says the Scottish man xD
 
@avazula In my house, there are 5 very different accents...
mine is definitely the most English
and my wife's is the most Glaswegian
unsure where the kids have acquired theirs from
 
hahaha
 
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4:06 PM
@RoryAlsop "Scottish" ... "most English" ... ?
 
@El'endiaStarman Honestly, I'm a huge fan of the name "El'endia". It remembers me of the names one of my favorite author use for his character (Pierre Bottero)
 
@Noon Thanks! :)
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@El'endiaStarman did you just give away your first name :O
 
4:08 PM
@Cashbee Ugh, you got me, it's actually Elendil.
(I kid.)
 
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@El'endiaStarman ohhh I always thought "El'endia" was a clever way of saying "I'll end ya'"
I like the actual reason more :p
 
@RoryAlsop The accent of the queen? The one French people think about when they here "rich English man"? Not sure how much more precise I could be
 
@El'endiaStarman I'm not going into it further, but it's not a hard riddle
 
4:09 PM
@El'endiaStarman Rejected. o/
(jk)
 
@scohe001 Haha I can see that.
 
@Noon "posh"
 
oh come on, now my nose is bleeding u_u
 
@Cashbee Yeah, I know. I tend to treat stuff like that as open secrets anyway since it's not hard to google stuff and find out.
 
@Cashbee That!
 
4:11 PM
@Noon ahh - that is what we call Received Pronunciation... the traditional BBC accent.
 
@El'endiaStarman 😀 my shocked face was more for show than actual shock
 
@El'endiaStarman I have an odd background
 
@Cashbee :)
 
half this chat knows my first name
 
Is it... drumroll ... Cash?
@avazula Hey, I too get nosebleeds with some frequency. Do you have preferred techniques that usually work well to stop them quickly?
 
4:12 PM
@El'endiaStarman no but cashbee the english written form of my actual nickname :)
Is it okay to call your son Cash?
if so, a certain Johnny missed a great opportunity 😀 (if it is not a pseudonym)
 
Whether or not it's "okay" is almost irrelevant. (Some) parents be crazy yo.
 
@RoryAlsop We have the same thing in France with every TV channel having the Paris accent (which, thus, isn't seen an accent)
 
See: "La-a" being pronounced as "Ladasha".
 
french has accents?
 
@Cashbee you're so naive, dear Cash ...
 
4:15 PM
Even ASL has accents (and dialects).
 
@El'endiaStarman Yes, thank you for pointing this out! :D
 
I think that between me and @Noon, we could make you a show out of our native regions :p
 
@Cashbee Yeah, depending on the region you are from ^^
 
@avazula I was told there are no real accents in french :S
 
@avazula I like to think that my accent is very close to the Paris accent :P
 
4:16 PM
googling doesn't help, the first hundred entries show how to write french accent marks éèà
 
@El'endiaStarman I tear a mesh from a tissue and put it in my nostril. Unfortunately, since I'm looking forward to being more ecological, I only have tissues made of actual fabric ... I'm pestering rn
@Noon I wouldn't be proud of it :p
 
@Cashbee If you want examples, I pronounce "é", "è", "ê" and "ai" mostly the same way
 
@Noon Who ARE you ? o_o
 
@Noon soo.. you just say fénétré ? :D
 
@avazula It's what an important part of people from Grenoble do ^^
 
4:19 PM
j'é uné fénétré
 
@Cashbee No, you put to many accent on this word XD "J'é une fenètre"
 
am I doing it right :)
 
@avazula Ah yeah, that's what I do too. I've just...developed more sophisticated procedures that I follow based on how the nosebleed behaves (e.g., if it doesn't slow down within a couple minutes or it slows down but keeps tricking a bit).
 
Fun facts: we French people lost two vowel sounds after WWI
 
@Noon so the first e in fenetre you pronounce like '(j)eu(x)'?
 
4:21 PM
@Cashbee Yeap
 
@avazula This sounds so unbelievable but yet, given what I know about linguistics, also entirely believable.
 
@avazula That's because of the German! angry face (okay, I'm out :P )
 
Yes vi stoul zem
 
@El'endiaStarman Ever since I've known of those sounds, I can't believe they ever existed. They sound so weird xD
 
@Cashbee This was a conspiracy all along!
@avazula Do you have some link where I could listen to them?
 
4:26 PM
@Noon 'm on it
Shoot, I can't find any
 
@avazula Arf :/ Thanks for looking anyway
 
I'll look further once I'm home tonight :)
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6:33 PM
@Noon Hahaha. This drawing is very cute!
 
6:46 PM
@WillHunting Thank you :D
 
@Noon Cool!
 
@Tinkeringbell Thanks :D And really nice this new avatar! (I must admit, for a second I was wondering who you were :P )
 
@Noon Yeah, that's the only downside to changing avatars. People will wonder who you are :P
I'm keeping this one through winterbash and then in January I'll go back to my old parrot, I think.
 
Well, at least for the comment it won't be a problem
@Tinkeringbell Nice, a winter/summer avatar!
 
@Noon I used to switch every few months before I became a mod... From me, to orange tulips, to a snowy branch, to a giraffe.. And then to the parrot. I kept that one for over 6 months.
 
6:56 PM
@Tinkeringbell Oh, it's weird to think you were something else than a parrot before :P
 
I like the parrot. A lot of things in life I learned by just copying people ;)
 
I've had my username and avatar from the very earliest days of my SE account (on Math.SE). That's something like 8 years, I think.
 
That's probably why I stuck with it, parrots are a bit temperamental birds as well
 
@El'endiaStarman Wow, that's amazingly long! Oo
@Tinkeringbell Ahah, you just sound like a person on the autism spectrum right now :P
 
Haha yeah. I like my avatar and don't (yet) have a better one.
 
6:58 PM
@Noon Hehehe regular people do that too :P
 
@Tinkeringbell ...that's completely true. That's like all of one's (early) childhood.
It's just mostly unconscious for neurotypical people.
 
@El'endiaStarman And puberty, and adulting :P
And once you're aware that you can learn that way, you can try and do it consciously too, and speed up the process a little :P
Though, some people will find you annoying if you mirror them too much XD
 
@Tinkeringbell And not just people, I believe that a lot animal learn by copying mechanism (bird song for example)
 
@Tinkeringbell You're not wrong, lol. But early childhood is basically all learning by copying.
 
@Noon It's why parrot species can often learn to 'talk' ;)
@El'endiaStarman Ehh.. I have to ask, but I think stuff like toilet visits weren't really 'copied' :P
 
7:05 PM
@Tinkeringbell Okay, you have a point. Early childhood: learning by copying or being directly taught.
 
@El'endiaStarman Yay! :D
 
I wonder when children start self-directed learning.
 
Depends on the kid, I guess?
Mom is still mad at me for not having seen my first baby-steps :P
While my brothers had to be held and helped for a while...
 
@Tinkeringbell It would, yes. I've been told I taught myself how to read at a ridiculously young age. My parents and I have no idea how.
 
@El'endiaStarman Learning how to move oneself across a room is a self-directed learning, right?
 
7:07 PM
@Noon Kinda depends, part of it is taught I think.
 
@Noon Oooh, interesting question. My gut feeling is that it isn't. At least, not in the way I was thinking.
 
@Noon suspicious look is that a pun :P
 
@EmC Oh gosh, that didn't even occur to me.
 
Oh dang. If it was, it was a really good one, I missed it at first! :D
 
@EmC It wasn't, but now I'm laughing XD
 
7:08 PM
:D
 
Getting oneself across a room seems to me more like "I want to get over there." and then getting there one way or another.
 
@El'endiaStarman Yeah and most baby do that in a very not conventional way
 
I would consider self-directed learning to be "I want to learn more about that", especially if it's not to solve a problem they're facing at the time.
...I guess that's just called "curiosity".
 
Well, you are the English expert here, I have no idea what "self-directed learning" meant before you talked about it
 
I googled "when do children become curious" and got results related to sexual curiosity. No! General curiosity!
 
7:12 PM
@El'endiaStarman XD But I think children are curious since the beginning. They wouldn't learn anything otherwise
Also, you just need to look at everything they put in their mouth
 
@Noon Well, yeah, I guess it's not a common phrase. I'm curious though (lol): what didn't you understand about the phrase?
 
@El'endiaStarman There is a movie The Curious Case of Benjamin Button where a person is born old and then grows younger as he ages.
 
@El'endiaStarman Well, it looked like an expression, so use google translate to make sure to get it right
 
@WillHunting Different kind of curiosity! :P I think that theme of living backward in time has been applied to a few different characters.
@Noon Haha, this is true. Hmm. It's hard to pin down what exactly I have in mind.
 
I think "self-directed" means when you're intrinsically motivated and come up with your own path to investigate, vs. when you have a teacher telling/showing you the steps to follow
 
7:16 PM
@EmC Basically, yeah.
Ah, maybe it's "learning for the sake of learning" that I'm interested in.
I watch tons of educational Youtube and most of it has no relation to any problems I encounter.
 
@El'endiaStarman hmm, I don't know if there's a term for that. other than "curiosity" :)
 
Yeah but when a baby put something in their mouth, I'm not sure they are trying to solve a problem. They just want to "try it". So, honestly, I think we are born with both kind of curiosity
 
Yeah. So maybe it's not that people learn to be curious by some age, but that they lose that curiosity (often due to lackluster education at schools).
As I keep thinking about this, it feels like I could write a whole paper.
The core of curiosity is present from birth, basically, but it can be expressed and used in different ways later in life. E.g., there's curiosity about what one doesn't know (research by reading) and then there's curiosity about what nobody knows (research by experimentation). There's another sort of jump when one transitions from satisfying curiosity by local means (direct action, talking with parents, etc) to satisfying curiosity by remote means (books, the Internet). Etc.
 
7:32 PM
@El'endiaStarman Or maybe they still have this curiosity but they are curious about other stuff, stuff that school isn't teaching them
 
@Noon I mean, this is the ideal case. I think, however, that a lot of people do lose that sense of wonder that goes hand in hand with curiosity that many children have.
 
@El'endiaStarman I've heard a number of friends say they stopped enjoying reading books due to their high school English classes :( there's similar issues with math ed, too
 
@El'endiaStarman I'd argue everyone loses that sense of wonder--just some more than others. I also feel like the reason I enjoy fantasy literature/media so much is because it makes me feel just a hint of that wonder again
 
@EmC Yeah, high school English classes weren't great for promoting a love of reading. I'm glad I held on to mine via Star Wars novels (and other books). :P With regards to math education, I like how John Lockhart covered it in his essay A Mathematician's Lament.
 
Strange... My English (and French) classes really led to me reading more.
 
7:40 PM
@El'endiaStarman heh, that's the one my math postdoc friend talks about a lot :P
 
Same goes for the classes in Dutch ;)
 
I was homeschooled, so my high school english class was basically "read a bunch of these classic novels" plus some fun vocab/language stuff :) none of that "write a book report on what the author might have meant by this imagery" stuff that I always hear about
 
@scohe001 Yeah, reality has a way of asserting itself. I'm fortunate to have a pretty sizable sense of wonder, even if people around me look at me funny sometimes. :P
@Tinkeringbell Did you enjoy the books you had to read for those? For my classes, probably half or so were not fun to read.
 
@El'endiaStarman I did. But we were given lists, and I was quite good at picking what I liked, instead of the thinnest book ;)
I also asked sometimes if I could read a specific book that wasn't on the list, usually it was fine.
I think the only thing that was declined was Harry Potter for English ;)
 
Especially Dandelion Wine. That one was so boring and at the time I hated how dandelion wine didn't show up until well past halfway through the book.
I probably wouldn't mind it now but when my usual diet consisted of The Chronicles of Narnia, Star Wars novels, and other fantasy books, the "classics" were very meh.
@Tinkeringbell I (and many of my classmates) did quite like the one summer we could read a Harry Potter book for class. :P
 
7:47 PM
I didn't grew up with much fantasy books, magic and fantasy was always considered kinda evil by my parents. So perhaps that's why I didn't really mind reading 'classics' in the first place ;)
 
8:24 PM
@Tink have you heard anything about cheese?
 
@scohe001 Not yet, no more than this:
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Nov 16 at 14:17, by Tim Post
@Derpy They're being ordered!!! :D
 
Ahh gotcha--thanks!
They said 10 days so I was worried I missed it or something
 
If I remember, I'll nudge you when I find mine in my spam folder :P
 
Haha thanks!! I'll do the same :p
 
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Q: How can I make myself be liked and make others be attracted to me wherever I go by everyone?

Alex AI’m asking this question because, I want to be invited in the town by my class mates in winter vacation. My father told me that I don’t have to be like clown where everyone laughs at, because they’ll laugh at you not with you. And my mother tells me different story, and now I’m bit confused. Que...

 
8:34 PM
@ExtrovertedMainMan inb4 "how to win friends and influence people"
 
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8:57 PM
@ExtrovertedMainMan if the OP of that question drops in here can one of you ping me?
Aaaaaand sent that about 5 seconds early
Hey @AlexA!
 
@scohe001 Hi, sup?
 
Not much. Want to discuss your question?
 
@scohe001 yup
 
So what's your end goal?
What prompted the question?
 
@scohe001 My wish is to make others to like me, but I don’t know how.
 
8:59 PM
Okay...but what others? In which situation?
In line at the grocery store?
At a party?
 
@scohe001 generally speaking
 
Hmm that's a little broad though. Like I said, whole books have been written on that. I don't think that's something we can answer in the 30,000 character limit of an answer here :)
 
@scohe001 I mean, everywhere, everywhere. Doesn’t matter where
@scohe001 You can make a short essay?
 
it's going to need to be more specific to make it on topic
 
Is there a specific situation where you want to make friends but find you can't or you're not very good at it?
 
9:02 PM
@scohe001 Well, in online video games (I’m kinda silent there:)) And if I try to do something, they consider me as a “drunk”
And so, I stopped being active
 
Okay, that could be an interesting question. How to initiate an interesting conversation with people in online video games?
 
@scohe001 Well, they talk different subjects, but usually about a specific games.
I’m not kinda
gamer, but, I do also play video games sometimes
 
So then maybe how to hop in and contribute in an online group conversation? That one could also be interesting (and could be useful for contributing in StackExchange chat!)
 
What if I face a jerk gamer who likes to make others inconfortable?
I faced one, and since then, I haven’t been active. Because, I don’t want to “cause” any problem.
Because, I don’t know what type of people they are
 
So then "How can I identify if the person I'm talking to online is 'trolling'?" that may be broad though if you don't have a specific situation to ask about
 
9:08 PM
Then how to ask, and in the same time to write down list of specific problems?
What do you think about it?
 
@AlexA I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this
Are you asking how to ask all of those questions at once?
If so, I'd say don't. Each of those is enough to be its own standalone question
 
@scohe001 Exactly, this what I mean
@scohe001 So now, what I do? I delete it?
 
Ahh yea then don't. Ask one question per question ;)
You could delete and ask a new one if you wanted. Or if you edit that question into a more specific situation like we talked about, it'll get re-opened and answered
@EmC do we prefer one way or the other?
 
Hmmm…, bit of difficult to decide:))) But, I’ll think about it.
Why it is not allowed to ask many questions in one?
Why is soo bad?
 
Ahh for that one I'll defer to meta-link-master @Tink
 
9:18 PM
@AlexA Mostly because they invite partial answers, and there's a character limit on answers too ;)
 
(hmm, catching up - got pulled into an irl convo)
 
But I don't think I have a real life meta link, lemme look though :)
 
@EmC (No worries! Everyone knows when one parent doesn't answer you call the other :p)
 
haha
@AlexA this seems like a specific enough situation to ask about (you could write about what happened, and what you'd like the outcome to be if it happens again)
 
@EmC I think it is good idea
 
9:22 PM
it might be better to edit your existing post, it was closed before it got answers so it will be fine to do that :)
 
@EmC Ok, I’ll do that tomorrow, now I have to go to sleep, now it’s night time and I have school tomorrow.
 
you could make a new one if you want a fresh start, but I think closed questions count towards a question ban? so the system kinda encourages editing
 
@EmC But, does it have a specific limit point of editing?
 
@AlexA I'm not sure what you mean by that?
 
@AlexA there's no limit on how many edits you can make
 
9:24 PM
@EmC For example, in Islam SE site, when you have edited x60 then your risks of getting your post deleted is very high
What about in here?
 
@AlexA I don't think we've ever done anything like that here. as long as your edits are improving the question, and you're not invalidating existing answers or in a rollback war, you should be fine
 
Of course I found:))) I found it with GPS:)))))
 
@AlexA well, I'm glad you found your way to our chatroom, I hope it's helpful :)
 
@scohe001 Though I remembered from long ago that if you edit an answer 10 times you no longer get more points even when upvoted, but I don't know the current SE system.
 
@WillHunting Whaaaaaaat? I've never heard of that one O_O
 
9:30 PM
@scohe001 of what?
 
@WillHunting hmm, are you talking about auto-community-wiki?
 
@EmC Maybe, but I am not sure since it was so long ago.
 
@AlexA From the Help Center:
too broad - if your question could be answered by an entire book, or has many valid answers (but no way to determine which - if any - are correct), then it is probably too broad for our format
Please edit the question to limit it to a specific problem with enough detail to identify an adequate answer. Avoid asking multiple distinct questions at once. See the How to Ask page for help clarifying this question.
 
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Q: 10 edits rule - not enough for own changes in own answer

falseWhen giving detailed answers like this, it is very easily possible to produce more than 10 edits. And this, without any disputes or other contradictory interaction with other users. In that particular answer, I was then informed of this 10 edits rule ; and thus stopped editing. (I did already tr...

Looks like if there were 10 edits it automatically became a CW--which would make you lose any rep from upvotes
Dang I had no idea that was a thing
 
@WillHunting they used to do that, but not anymore
 
9:32 PM
Aha! It would be weird though to need to edit a question or answer 10 times.
If we try to get it right the first time, then we won't need to many times of editing. I've done up to about 10 before on one occasion though.
 
I think I've seen a few on here, like when the post starts out kinda vague and people keep asking for more details to be edited in :)
 
Hey, I got an idea for new SE update
 
The worst part about edits of questions is that sometimes the question changes so much that it invalidates the already posted answers.
 
@WillHunting I agree in here
 
@WillHunting Most sites that I've been on have a Meta post saying that questions should not be edited if they invalidate existing answers.
 
9:35 PM
Also, sometimes, not on IPS though, the title of the question is asking something different from the body of the question. =)
 
@WillHunting yeah, that's not supposed to happen.. that's why we want to close quickly if they're not a good fit at first, so they can be freely edited
 
How about if a user ins’t able to edit into a proper manner the post, then Community Wiki can edit it for him, what do you think about this?
 
heh, I almost always forget about titles when I make edits, and then have to go back and fix them after :P
 
@AlexA Anyone can edit, as long as the edit improves the post and does not change the original meaning and intention of the post.
 
@AlexA that sounds more like what we're aiming for with the sandbox? since one of the principles of editing is to not go against the author's intent, we're kinda limited in how much we can shape it up
 
9:39 PM
@EmC But hold on second, this network is for everyone
So, if everyone wishes the same and wants this, then we can get that thing, right?
 
I'm not sure I follow what you're getting at?
 
@EmC I’m saying, if you all agree for new thing like I do, then some of us can post on Meta for some changes and then as a result for agreendment, you guys can up vote and accept the post
And you can even tell your reasons why you want, so that Stack Exchange can do this
Got it?
 
ah, I think so? if you have an idea of a way to improve the site, you could post on meta as a feature request or to discuss it, yes
 
@EmC But the second problem is that, I’m banned and I don’t know for how how long I will be. Perhaps, can you do in my place?
 
@AlexA oh, are you talking about main meta? not IPS meta?
 
9:47 PM
On Meta SE
For all sites
including this one
 
sorry, I only have access to IPS stuff, so I guess you would have to talk to the CMs about that
 
What’s CM?
 
No clue.
 
Community Managers
 
Shhhhhh...
 
9:50 PM
@EmC Aaaa
 
haha, hi :)
 
Thanx:)))
 
@Catija does every CM inherit Shog's beetlejuice powers??
 
Ha. No. Some of us are just more nosy than others.
 
Hey, how do I contact them??
Or how to send them a feature request
?
 
9:56 PM
if you need to talk to them there's a "contact" link at the bottom of the page, but feature requests are just posted on meta.se with the feature-request tag
if you can't ask questions there, this post talks about that
 
@EmC But I don’t know how to fix my posts into a proper manner.
 
@AlexA the info in that post I linked gives some advice for that, plus I'd check for any feedback in comments on the posts you have made already. worst case, it does say that you can ask one question every 6 months, which will help lift a ban if it's a good question
brb though, meeting a new cat-sitter :)
 
@AlexA there's many comments here that you can think about, and put your question into the sandbox, possibly? We're willing to help but we won't do all the work for you, we want to help you learn how to do better.
 
@ElizB (I think they're talking about Alex's Meta.SE account)
 
Ah, gotcha
 
10:09 PM
@ElizB Oh, I really appreciate your help
 
I don't know about meta se but I know a little about IPS here.
 
"A little"
You're too modest!!
 
@scohe001 So was my proposal. Right @ElizB? :P
(This may be one of those things only I find funny because I made the connections between far-flung ideas.)
 
10:32 PM
@El'endiaStarman waait, how do you get "El'endia" from "Jonathan"? ;P
 
 
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11:45 PM
@El'endiaStarman yeah, that proposal was far from those things people take videos of
@scohe001 i just went and read alex a's question and the comments below, and i am laughing so hard at your reference to A:TLA :D i love avatar! :P
i could do that (start every greeting with "flameo, hotman!") and see others reaction... hehee
 
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