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Yvette Colomb
Yvette Colomb
1:25 AM
morning
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Top of to ya.
 
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It is night for me
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I don't monitor it here.
 
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I don't have a choice on the matter.
It makes little difference because I'm just as tired either way
Wow! everyone is awake now
 
A J
A J
Yes
Morning all
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
1:31 AM
Define "Awake"
 
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Awake in the sense that you are somewhat capable of intelligently responding to stimuli.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Duh! Did I pass?
 
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I think.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
... Therfore, I am.
 
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As long as this isn't a dream, you probably passed
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
1:34 AM
Can't be a dream. Someone said "morning," which is the end of a dream.
 
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That logic would make sense.
In a dream...
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Uhoh
 
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yeah :/
Today I discovered how messed up javascript is.
I was writing some code to create an object, and I didn't realize I hadn't put in the right ammount of parenthesis, but, it didn't give me an error (because its javascript) And it took me fie hours of debugging and almost giving up to rewrite the entire project to get it to work. and then I deleted the extra paren and it worked flawlessly.
 
A J
A J
@GypsySpellweaver Missing e tells us that you are not awake. :P
 
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Me not noticing it also might signify something as well, lol
 
A J
A J
1:42 AM
Haha
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Zzzzz
 
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1:56 AM
I'm hungry
Nothing is open this late though :/
I'll have to eat cereal
 
 
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HDE 226868
HDE 226868
3:20 AM
@Catija This one.
I deleted the comment because I felt I could be speaking from annoyance, rather than an objective look at the answer. I'm a (somewhat) high-rep user on the site and a potential pro-tem mod somewhere down the line. It reflects poorly if my comments are snarkier than need be.
@Hamlet Just to give you a final update on the volunteer issue: Today was the last day of camp, and once again, he managed to take some cues the second time around after seeing me do things, or after I mentioned something briefly. I'm quite happy and surprised with the results.
I might write up a self answer if I can determine what exactly worked.
 
Hamlet
Hamlet
@HDE226868 was that because of the advice in my answer?
@HDE226868 yeah, that's one of the two things that make writing answers on this site very difficult.
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Hamlet Sort of. I think it was indirect inspiration - if you undelete it, I can check for sure.
 
Hamlet
Hamlet
The other thing is it's really hard to avoid making guesses about the situations in answers, because there's almost always things you don't know about the specific situation.
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
Yes. It's also possible that other interactions he had with the camp he worked in the morning influenced things. I've talked to some of the folks who were with him then, and they haven't come up with anything conclusive, but nobody was observing, per se.
Also, I can't really see into his head - which is the only way I could definitively tell what changed.
HNQ #2, by the way.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
3:47 AM
@HDE226868 Glad it was a good experience with the volunteer.
 
Yvette Colomb
Yvette Colomb
we have a new candidate for moderator
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A: Accepting Nominations — Who should moderate this site?

apaul34208 Notes: I believe I would be a good choice because I've been around the network for a good few years and I think I have a fair and balanced idea of, not only how moderation works, but also how the Stack Exchange model works. I started out on Stack Overflow four and a half years ago, and Sta...

Another good choice. We have a nice line up of candidates. This site is going well me thinks
I'm not sure that we really have a consensus on our scope yet. Thoughts?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@YvetteColomb Scope is a Work In Progress thing.
 
Yvette Colomb
Yvette Colomb
yes indeed and scope changes over time - look at SO and cogsci is now reevaluating
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
How about Software Engineering for scope change?
 
Yvette Colomb
Yvette Colomb
4:03 AM
I'm not active on there - has it changed a lot?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Seriously, I think one issue, of a few, that still needs work is how to accommodate the global scope of the site and the local scope of the Q&A. We could end up with a goggle of locale/culture/sub-culture tags and still "leave someone out"
By rules, with force of law, posts must be in English (of one variant or another), yet the issues faced by users will be anything but comprehensible to the typical Native English Speaker.
 
Yvette Colomb
Yvette Colomb
I think my brain just bled trying to read that lolol
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Hey folks
@GypsySpellweaver What happened to that?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I didn't live through it, but scuttlebutt is that it started as one thing, got all scrambled up, and took forever to clean up.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@GypsySpellweaver It's a goal of achieving a balance. The issue is that we need to be aware of the implicit factors that can drive things away, and the natural acts that people will do that could do the same. If I were to ask about culture A, but everyone votes up and answer for culture B (that is totally wrong for A), we do the asker a disservice, anyone who finds the question a disservice, we promote misinformation, and when people see that, they won't ask because they can already...
assume the answer (that is wrong)
@GypsySpellweaver I just remembered that it was "call in the mods from other sites" and then silence. No clue what actually happened there in the end
I feel like I'm too overly invested in this site for the wrong reasons...
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:13 AM
Here's a good way too look at a possible philosophy for the site.
> In seeking to be inclusive, we do not wish to open ourselves to the destruction of our group by those on self-serving power trips, or to philosophies and practices contradictory to our principles. In seeking to exclude those whose ways are contradictory to ours, we do not want to deny participation with us to any who are sincerely interested in our knowledge, regardless of race, color, sex, age, national or cultural origins or sexual preference.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I actually love that wording
You just perfectly described cultural relativism actually.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Slightly modified >_>
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
(well, kind of, but whatever)
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Anthropology is an interesting discipline, if one can acquire the balance of distance and immersion needed.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Yaay! I'm kind of studying that!
Well... I'm doing Global Development Policy, but development is so many things :)
Shaadi hai delhi ke ladoo...
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:17 AM
Here's an interesting read. ohio.edu/people/thompsoc/Body.html
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@GypsySpellweaver I'll have a look :)
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Enjoy, and report :)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I might not fully read it right now though. It's 12:20am
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
It is a bit of a read. Best to do with an engaged mind anyway.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
4:36 AM
sigh I'm tired, but I'm too lazy to go to sleep
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
yo comprendé
 
A J
A J
What can be done here to keep this question opened? Any ideas:
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Q: How should a person be told to apologise when he thinks he isn't wrong?

Abhigyan ChattopadhyayA few days ago, in a Zoology class, one of my classmates was caught reading the Zoology textbook when the teacher was explaining. Although he wasn't reading anything that he wasn't supposed to, the teacher got mad at him for not paying attention, and asked him to leave the class. He openly declin...

behavior apologies
@YvetteColomb It's strange that the vote count for your nomination went up when you withdrew the nomination.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I don't think it needs anything except an explicit statement of locale.
 
A J
A J
@Catija Believe me, I know. His profile says India and that's a Hindu name. But we can wait for OP to confirm. — A J 13 hours ago
 
Yvette Colomb
Yvette Colomb
@AJ It's one of two things - either people are happy I've withdrawn, or they don't realise I declined, they just saw the user and voted
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:39 AM
It describes the situation well, and anyone in the same locale would know the rules and could answer it.
 
A J
A J
@GypsySpellweaver Maybe I can.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Personally, I think it's a good question
 
A J
A J
I need to see what can I offer.
@Zizouz212 agreed.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Out of curiosity, are you from India?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
The profile says where he is. Just the question doesn't
 
A J
A J
4:40 AM
@Zizouz212 yep
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Yaay! I am too :)
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Excellent
 
A J
A J
@Zizouz212 But, you are in Canada, aren't you?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I suspect that the answer, locally correct, is that he's out of luck
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Yep. But originally from India
I wish I spoke the language though... :(
 
A J
A J
4:42 AM
@GypsySpellweaver yep, it's now late to apologize.
@Zizouz212 You can't?
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Young blood with heavy Western exposure via the internet VS. The Old Guard
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I used to be able to speak Kutchi when I was very young (I lived with my grandparents)
But out here, there aren't that many people to speak with so I've completely lost it.
 
A J
A J
ohh
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Yeah :(
My best friend is from Pakistan and their family (who I am really close with) is trying to each me Urdu though :)
 
A J
A J
I can't speak Urdu. I know a few words, but I can't really.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
4:44 AM
Super similar to Kutchi, but for some reason, it's super difficult to re-learn
Do you speak any language?
 
A J
A J
@Zizouz212 I speak Hindi, which is my mother-tongue, English, and a bit Punjabi and Telugu.
@Zizouz212 Can you speak Gujarati?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
It's similar to Gujarati, but there are many differences
 
A J
A J
ok
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
So when I learned Kutchi, I basically also learned Gujarati. Although my grandparents spoke in like a Gujarati/Kutchi mix :P
But that was when I was super young.
 
A J
A J
@Zizouz212 It's like my grandparents speaking Hindi/Rajasthani mix.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
4:47 AM
:)
But really, all these languages are connected in some way or another
 
A J
A J
yep
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
As an outsider looking in I hope to read a valid answer to that question and gain enlightenment therefrom.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I'm really happy that I'm in Toronto, because you literally get to see everyone represented here. I feel like if I lived somewhere else, I wouldn't have held to my identity
 
A J
A J
There is a slight difference in the language of the neighbor state.
@GypsySpellweaver I might post one.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@AJ Please do - I myself was kind of disappointed with the answers there
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:52 AM
Though, with what little I know, I do find it difficult to imagine that missing the final day of lecture should cause an entire class to fail the final exam.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Your friend sounds like a reasonable person, even in the face of an authority figure acting completely ridiculously and inappropriately. Good for him for standing up for what is right. — Kik 13 hours ago
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@Zizouz212 I was disappointed by people trying to answer the question who should have known that they were actually clueless about the cultural conditions.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Hehe... Talk about culturally relative
@GypsySpellweaver I'm looking at the profiles of all the answerers - Delaware, Canada... US and Canada basically
And that comment was the perfect example
Post-secondary culture here is very different than elsewhere
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
BTW, that's another argument I have against local/cultural tags. So few people will look at the tags. They might read the question, however, and that's where critical information should be.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I have a friend who's doing electrical engineering at uwaterloo, and he was just like "Oh, you can just walk out of a lecture whenever you want. The profs don't care"
And for me (my family, and culture holds education very strong), that was really surprising
Greetings @John :)
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
4:57 AM
My suspicion is that in that place the prof was correct and that "Jon" was trying to be a "Westerner"
 
John
John
@Zizouz212 Hello to you.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@GypsySpellweaver I'd tend to agree with you.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
One thing that's not in the question, and might make a difference is whether or not the prof began the term with some "rules" that included something like "when I'm lecturing, listening is all you should be doing." Of course that would only reinforce the prof's position, and isn't required if the culture expects that anyway.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Many universities I think have that as a policy
I've actually wanted to do an exchange to an Indian university (or Pakistan/Bangladesh) when I'm older, and do courses/internship/project or something. I remember reading things like that on many websites
If I had the tools, I'm thinking of trying to get some data on how we're dealing with questions actually. I'm debating whether I should propose some "How do I write my question" guide on meta
omg it's 1:05 am
Greetings young @Passerby
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
I have been in college classes where a similar rule was in effect. I would have been disappointed to see the prof take it to that level, for sure. Yet, by the rules agreed to at the beginning of class, the prof would be "in the right" to require the offending student to leave. And, like as not, security would have removed him.
 
Passerby
Passerby
5:06 AM
@Zizouz212 you must be shocked that you don't have to raise your hand to ask for permission to go to the bathroom either. You are an adult and the ridiculous power trips of lower education no longer apply. Why should anyone but you care if you pay attention or show up in class?
As long as you don't disrupt the class, no one should care.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Are you talking in reference to the question or my surprise?
 
Passerby
Passerby
Your suprise.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Again, cultural relativism.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Oh okay :)
@Passerby One thing that I've found is that many "western" cultures are incredibly individualistic, whereas other societies, especially in developing countries, are very communalistic. There will be a clash there for sure
 
Passerby
Passerby
I already pointed out the ridiculous of the teachers reaction in my comment there. But I'm guessing that is a lower education situation instead of a higher learning one.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
5:10 AM
The thing is that disrupting a teacher would be unthinkable. Even if it may only be you who is "distracted", it distracts others - other students, teachers.
It's a very different point of view from what many of us are used to
 
A J
A J
@Passerby Yes, the teacher overreacted, but it is the fault of both parties. Since teacher won't apologize here, therefore student needs to make one to make things right.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Aah lovely.
14 of the top 15 users on the site are either from the US, UK, Canada or Australia
 
A J
A J
@Zizouz212 and the remaining one?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Kerala :)
 
A J
A J
ohh Sagar
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
5:18 AM
Yep
Not surprised by that actually, but somewhat interested in what long-term consequences that may have for the site
 
A J
A J
I'd really love to know the reason where I went wrong in this answer.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@AJ Not sure
Oh snaps, we've got twenty answers on this question? interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/663/…
 
A J
A J
yep
effect of HNQ.
There are two questions from IPS in HNQ right now.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I keep forgetting we're public :P
 
A J
A J
lol
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
5:28 AM
And we're getting tons of answers in the comments. Fun stuff
 
A J
A J
yep
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
@AJ First, why do you think you "went wrong" on that answer?
 
A J
A J
@GypsySpellweaver because of a downvote
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Downvotes don't mean anything, really.
Someone just didn't like what you said, or how you said it, or the spelling of your words, or, or, ...
Could it be better? Sure. Could it be worse? Yes.
You could have written a nice long PhD level dissertation on email etiquette and still gotten downvotes.
 
A J
A J
yeah, there will always be one or more who will hate you
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
5:36 AM
That's just it. It is not personal. Don't make it personal.
It's not about you, and may not even be about the answer.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
For all you know, it could've been someone with another answer there that down voted
It actually happens all the time
 
A J
A J
I am not taking it personal. In fact, my posts on Movies and TV SE got at least one downvote while the rest of the community upvoted them. That's why I no longer care about it.
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
There's only one vote that counts. The OP's
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
It's actually really fun watching someones rep go down one point as they down vote your answer :P
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
If the OP accepts your answer, then you know you have helped someone.
 
A J
A J
5:40 AM
@GypsySpellweaver agreed
@Zizouz212 lol
@GypsySpellweaver true
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@AJ Happens super often on Stack Overflow actually
 
A J
A J
@Zizouz212 It doesn't on M&TV anyway.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I could probably go an entire day writing answers on SO waiting for that to happen :P
@AJ That's good :)
It's 1:45 and I really need sleep. I'll see you in another dimension!
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
Just to show how fickle votes can be, I've had an answer with negative score accepted by the OP. Next time I go back to the site it's at +5.
 
A J
A J
@Zizouz212 lol. see ya
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
5:44 AM
Farewell! Till we meet again! :P
 
 
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A J
A J
7:17 AM
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A: Let's design a community promotion ad!

A JWe can go for something like this. The background includes people communicating directly and online. It has a nice quote. Though, this quote can be changed.

breaking the silence
 
 
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HDE 226868
HDE 226868
11:44 AM
@GypsySpellweaver Yeah, I was happy with how it turned out.
@YvetteColomb That's excellent.
@AJ I don't think it's a bad (of off-topic) question at all. It would be nice if the country tag was added; I'm curious as to how the answers would change. I don't know much about the Indian school system.
 
A J
A J
12:02 PM
@HDE226868 That's why I provided an answer keeping that in mind.
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A: How should a person be told to apologise when he thinks he isn't wrong?

A JThough, there is no explicit mention of where it happened, but based on your profile, I can safely assume where it did. Since I belong to the same country you do, I can offer some advice about it. In our country, teachers particularly take pride in their job and why won't they. Teachers/Gurus ar...

 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@AJ I was just reading it.
 
A J
A J
k
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
"Teachers/Gurus are given a higher place than the God in our culture." is interesting, and makes the teacher's position a bit more reasonable.
 
A J
A J
yep
Your question will be the first one to cross 10K views.
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
Probably. I'm not it's an excellent question (certainly not my best). I was surprised at the number of answers (some really similar) for a yes/no question, though.
Quite a lot of comments, though.
 
A J
A J
12:10 PM
We get them on popular questions.
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
Yes. Comment wrangling on Worldbuilding is . . . interesting. I hear things are worse on The Workplace - which seems to be where we're headed.
 
A J
A J
@HDE226868 I have seen mods on The Workplace moving comments to chat many times.
The comment threads get quite long and mods move them to chat multiple times on a single post.
@HDE226868 That site includes etiquette, communication and many things at and about the workplace, while this one includes etiquette and communication in all conditions, if I am not wrong.
So, possibly we have a bright future ahead. :)
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
12:25 PM
@AJ I'm reasonably certain that's not possible. It's a longstanding feature request, but it's never been implemented.
@AJ Yeah, that's something to be hopeful about. :-)
 
Yvette Colomb
Yvette Colomb
12:38 PM
@HDE226868 I think so too
 
 
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2:29 PM
now its morning for real this time
 
 
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HDE 226868
HDE 226868
3:50 PM
It's now almost afternoon here.
 
A J
A J
And it's night here.
 
Crafter0800
Crafter0800
4:40 PM
Evening here
 
Yvette Colomb
Yvette Colomb
night all :)
 
Crafter0800
Crafter0800
GOodnigh :)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
5:22 PM
Hey!
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
5:34 PM
silently waves
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
How do you do today?
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
I do.
You?
 
Crafter0800
Crafter0800
@HDE226868 congratulations on the first gold badge of the site :D
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@HDE226868 I do too.
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Crafter0800 Thanks!
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
5:55 PM
I was actually out when it hit the HNQ, so I had no idea what had happened when I came back hours later and saw
yesterday, by HDE 226868
user image
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Oh lol
That must've been fun :P
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
I figured that either a question had hit the HNQ or a Stack Exchange site was collapsing or something.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Hey, does this comment make sense? I fear that I'm getting a little bit too emotional over this site:
Well, teachers hold a fairly high position in society. That's partly because society is more communalistic versus individualistic - which is more common in places like the US. Due to social conditions, and just the way society is, education is viewed a lot more like a privilege, as opposed to some sort of right (again more common in the US). So to disrespect a teacher would be to abuse a privilege, and to disrespect someone with authority makes it worse. Many universities have policies that reflect that (e.g. be on time or don't come, minimum attendance). — Zizouz212 4 mins ago
I'd probably go to write an answer, but it would probably just end up reading like a rant -_-
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
6:11 PM
I don't think it's overly emotional, and it does make sense. I'm not sure I know enough about the Indian education system to judge the accuracy of some of the statements in the thread.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I think some of the answers and comments I've seen there are just really throwing me off
I'm probably just over-invested in the site.
 
 
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HDE 226868
HDE 226868
8:10 PM
Hello, new users (Who don't seem to use chat much, admittedly)!
I was wondering if anyone had some feedback for this meta question, now that we've gone public.
You might also want to read (or skim) this discussion.
 
Passerby
Passerby
The right moderators. Which voting currently shows that may be a problem.
 
Avantgarde
Avantgarde
This new SE is a really interesting addition
And an aptly named chatroom haha
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@HDE226868 pretty sure most new users don't know chat exists
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@Avantgarde echoes fill this room
 
Avantgarde
Avantgarde
:D
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
8:24 PM
@AJHenderson Yeah. I'm hoping folks from other sites who already know chat might have an easier time finding it, though.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@HDE226868 <<<
 
Mithrandir24601
Mithrandir24601
@HDE226868 the physicist in me wants backed-up references and not just here-say, like what would be in a lot of other related sites :P
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
I've been debating whether I have the time to help with trying to get it off the ground or not... unfortunately I'm currently leaning towards the not side of the balance... been working on filming a streaming TV series that has taken up far too much of my free time
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Mithrandir24601 Same here.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
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Q: Why doesn't this site have a back it up rule?

HamletI'm looking at the answers on this site. I've found that very few of them are supported by any sort of evidence. For example, in the question How to discourage missionaries?, the top voted answer doesn't back any of its claims up: Have a no cold caller sign. While yes it might irritate them, ...

discussion
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
8:31 PM
@Mithrandir24601 the difficult part there is that in something like IPS, it's a softer science, so references might not always be completely viable, but at least an explanation of mechanism should be included and backed to some kind of experience. It's even harder on the arts sites where there are no hard and fast referenceable rules
but you can still "back it up" in the sense that you can make supportable claims that build towards it, for arts sites for example, it might include examples of the type of work or talking about specific projects that used an approach and how it worked
 
Mithrandir24601
Mithrandir24601
@AJHenderson Exactly - that's the 'but...' part :P
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
I suppose you guys probably have an even harder thing to work out than the arts sites in a sense though because some stuff is hard supportable and other stuff isn't, so you are caught more in the middle
where it's perhaps even more grey
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Mithrandir24601 Check out this and this.
 
Avantgarde
Avantgarde
Hope you had a relaxing time at home @Mithrandir24601
 
Mithrandir24601
Mithrandir24601
@AJHenderson Yeah... This seems to happen quite a bit at Worldbuilding. It's nice there though :)
 
Passerby
Passerby
8:36 PM
Well, look at workplace
 
Mithrandir24601
Mithrandir24601
@Avantgarde Yes, I did, thanks :D
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
> Don't be afraid of "enforcement," be afraid of the site becoming low quality. When it comes to practical information, usefulness trumps inclusion in many cases. Think of the situation where you come to the site needing help with a problem. Do you want opinions and theoreticals (which you could get from random friends), or do you want practical advice from people who have actually taken on, and solved the problem in question?
 
Passerby
Passerby
No evidence whatsoever
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I actually really like the wording there - could we use it here too?
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@HDE226868 that first one brings up a great point about the difference between theoreticals and practical experience, though with interpersonal skills, millage can vary so widely between personal experiences too...
 
Passerby
Passerby
8:37 PM
And that's working great
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Zizouz212 We probably could.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
though it's probably still a very solid starting point
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
I wrote up an answer to Hamlet's question and eventually deleted it. It suggested, among other things, the following phrasing:
> The best answers on Interpersonal Skills Stack Exchange aren't just opinions or half-baked thoughts. We want answers that are supported by something solid. References, where possible, are a great start. Personal experience is another fantastic route to use. Above all, though, make sure you explain why your solution works, especially in the situation given. Try to logically justify, as thoroughly as possible, each of your steps, in order to prove your point.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
might need some room to make jumps from hard experience that is close to theoreticals of how the situation differs
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
Terribly written, but that's the sentiment I wanted to get across. It sounds almost the intro to a five paragraph persuasive essay - not what we need.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
8:39 PM
I think though that answers are only one half - we have to make sure that we can close questions that are polls as quickly as possible
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@Zizouz212 yeah, that's pretty key too. If people see bad questions open, they will post more bad questions and quickly overrun. Early on on a couple of the arts sites I had to not only close, but even delete questions that were badly off topic and overwhelming the front page
(like, 3/4 of the questions on the front page were on hold at one point)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Ouch
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
luckily that passed and it settled in mostly
still get the occasional question like those ones, but now closing and letting their corpses serve as reminders to others works well
 
Passerby
Passerby
@Zizouz212 the word there is anecdotal.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I haven't really been here since everything started (the private beta started during my exams, then came Canada Day, then religious holidays, and every holiday takes like, two weeks before and after to prepare and all...), so I don't know how things have played out totally.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
8:42 PM
the other thing that can help early on is deleting answers to overly subjective questions
people like to get rep, if they can get rep from a bad question, they will try
if they succeed at it, they will keep trying
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
It's what happened here. A few of us had a discussion about it a while back, and we were kind of disappointed that 1. It wasn't a great question with all the information it needed; and 2. That it attracted the answers it did
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
I kind of wish the reputation system would give a bigger rep penalty for down votes if the score is net negative
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
HNQs are kind of concerning, because they almost overwhelm the system
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
since it's kind of frustrating that a rather small portion of users that vote for pure opinion stuff can make it rep positive
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@AJHenderson The other problem, is that everybody wants to give their answer and opinion. I mean, look what happened here: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/663/…
I don't think I've ever seen Community protect a question after 20 answers
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
8:45 PM
@Zizouz212 I've seen it a few times, but it's pretty rare
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Zizouz212 It was protected before then.
(I believe)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@HDE226868 I don't know, I just remember finding the question protected and having 20 answers, and in my mind I was like, "how is getting 20 answers even possible??"
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@Zizouz212 ok, I'm blanking on HNQ
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Hot network Questions?
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Zizouz212 It could be that there's some deleted stuff I missed.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
8:47 PM
Maybe. I can see almost nothing on the site
Hey @Crafter!
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@Zizouz212 wow, a lot of answers there don't even answer the question
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
And answer it wrongly at best
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@AJHenderson I'm wondering what I should do about that.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
granted, I'd somewhat argue the question itself isn't really great too since it is a bit convoluted between legality, safety and politeness
@HDE226868 personally, I'd nuke anything not directly approaching the question in context of the site
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@AJHenderson That'd be ideal if we had mods.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
8:57 PM
answering a question about if it is rude with a dissertation on the law isn't an answer. "It isn't rude to follow the law" would be the entire extent of the answer in that case and should probably be supported as to why (because I'm pretty sure I can think of situations where you could follow the law and be rude)
maybe not in this particular case, but either way
both how to safely drive and how to legally drive have absolutely nothing to do with IPS
so all the answers dwelling on that are just flat out NAA
or at best need to be edited to drastically reduce them
at which point there are many duplicate answers
well crap, and I forgot that you can't answer a protected question without actually having upvotes on that site... (the 100 rep from other sites doesn't help you)
I have an answer that shows how it should be answered that I didn't see in any of the higher voted answers
but I can't answer it :(
none of the questions start by first answering the real question. What does it mean to be rude in a driving situation
the rest of how you handle the situation flows out of your personal feelings of safety and legality based on what is and isn't rude in a driving context
ie, you aren't being rude if you are doing your best not to impede others
that's the key
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@AJHenderson Right, all of the answers so far assume that being rude = doing something that inconveniences others, regardless of intent.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@HDE226868 and or not being rude simply because something is safe or legal
both completely fail to understand the question in an interpersonal skills context
unfortunately I don't have the time to find something else to answer to get the rep needed to post though :/
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
Ask a question?
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/735/… this one is a bit forced and I'm not sure I like it, but maybe
 
Catija
Catija
@AJHenderson That question seems like a humblebrag.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
9:13 PM
@Catija possibly, it's unclear which way they are worried about though
which I noticed the existing answers didn't really hit on. There are two different ways that someone thinking you are flirting when you aren't can be bad
with very different responses
 
Catija
Catija
@AJHenderson I didn't realize you were into making video content. :D Also, I've been really thinking about taking a "pants on head" photo of Ben because of yours.
 
Passerby
Passerby
@AJHenderson isn't not hurting someone the most important interpersonal skill? And laws that were made to prevent people from getting hurt part of that?
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
9:33 PM
@Catija yeah, I'm the director of photography for season two of amazon.com/Episode-3/dp/B01N2O2UUV/…
we're shooting this summer and fall
so I'm spending about 8-10 hours every other week on that
 
Catija
Catija
@AJHenderson Oh! Sweet! That's exciting.
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@Passerby theoretically, but laws aren't just about not hurting people. Either way details of the law is not really addressing the "what is or isn't rude"
 
Passerby
Passerby
No, but they do inform it. Manners follow law on many things, and they often dictate it through the law making process.
It's not the end all, but referencing it doesn't hurt.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@Passerby I mean, if anything, laws are derived from morality. Traffic laws are based on safety, which themselves are based on empirical evidence. So if anything, social thought would be derived from the safety argument, and not so much the legal argument the way I see it
 
Passerby
Passerby
I have a hard time following what you just said
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
9:48 PM
Laws don't dictate manners - they are more a reflection of manners and social thought of society
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
@Zizouz212 yeah, we have an interesting twist on that with modern times. It's more of a feedback loop
in the US atleast, a lot of morality and ethics tends to follow what the supreme court decides on things
and can shift pretty crazy fast too
there's something of a feedback loop between them
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Yep. I'm just thinking of things in Canada too - holidays changing, things like assisted dying becoming legalized after being rejected by the courts...
 
AJ Henderson
AJ Henderson
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A: Is it rude to drive at the speed limit on dangerous roads when another driver wants to go faster?

AJ HendersonTo answer this, you have to start with understanding what is and isn't rude behavior in general, then understand how it relates to driving. Certainly, intentionally and unnecessarily impeding others is rude. It's also arguably rude for you to not do your best to avoid impeding others when you c...

there's my take on an answer for that question
 
Gypsy Spellweaver
Gypsy Spellweaver
10:05 PM
@AJHenderson Now, That's the answer I've been waiting for! Hurrah!
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@AJHenderson Very nice.
 
Yvette Colomb
Yvette Colomb
10:27 PM
wow this room has been busy since going public - it's good to see
 
 
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John
John
11:45 PM
@YvetteColomb ... But the "old timers" are still here too, Yeah!
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